Why Can't Goblins Carry Wands? - Harry Potter Explained

[@DefileOdds]

Those untrustworthy goblins.... I'm going to put them in charge of my financial future, that'll show em.

[@tylersingleton9284]

Art imitates life.

[@grec.]

I don't think any Minister of Magic decided this. I am pretty sure it were the Gobblings who, by forging treasures, started gatekeeping the precious metals and stones so they can run the market and manipulate it. So in that regard, they could recover the gobbling-made heirlooms/reliques, by offering a safe vaults to their clients, so they willingly, stored their treasures in their bank (Gringotts) I actually think it was a very well crafted strategy from the Gobblings.

[@Arnabiett]

Omfg this is rich haha

[@mattheweagle223]

👃

[@reasonsunknown6707]

Metaphorical for J ews?

[@johnathanfunk6745]

So it's the Goblin that runs the gaming companies that say we don't own the digital games we buy.

[@drewlovelyhell4892]

That deserves a thumbs up. 👍

[@DefileOdds]

And "struggle" to provide a Full 20 dollars for an entire xbox at GameStop, they seriously offered me 20 bucks for a barely used one.

[@EdwardSnortin]

Whoa watch the antisemitism

[@DefileOdds]

@@EdwardSnortin is he talking about someone specific?

[@DefileOdds]

@@EdwardSnortin omg great name hahaha

[@Anu_Sol]

The wand chooses the wizard, Mr. Potter, not the goblin.

[@zaid2884]

you are a genius

[@justgeneric2876]

Goblins believe in leasehold agreements (temporarily give up possession), human believe in freehold (transfer of ownership permanent).

[@CS-yq8hp]

Ty very much for this tid-bit

[@zerotodona1495]

Well unless it’s the government… then they’ll tax you to hell and back

[@MageGrayWolf]

In retrospect Leprechauns might have been a better choice as for a mythical creature functioning as a banker.

[@Anonymous-dy1up]

Maybe, but Leprechauns are shown later in the books to make gold that disappear after a few hours. Essentially counterfeit gold. They're not trustworthy either.

[@haiderhussain1270]

@@Anonymous-dy1upwhat books where they in?

[@MonographicSingleheaded]

Ye and you d never see your gold again 😂😂

[@Anonymous-dy1up]

​@@haiderhussain1270 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. You know, when they go to the Quidditch World Cup? Leprechaun gold is thrown to the crowd. Ron happily collects a handful and gives it to Harry to pay back his debts. Ron gets pretty upset later when the gold disappears and he feels like he still owes Harry.

[@MageGrayWolf]

@@Anonymous-dy1up I meant when the lore was being written., not after the fact.

[@animeman8203]

Here is something you constantly forget. Why should wizards and witches expose how wands are made when Goblins refuse to share how they craft? It's hypocritical of Goblins to criticize that Magicals keep wand lore a secret when they do the same thing with their work in metal and jewels. They're trying to get something without giving something back in return. Not to mention that Goblins have a nasty history of backstabbing clients in order to get their creation back. The creator of Gryffindor's sword tried to steal it back after it had already been paid for.

[@GuyIllusion]

Goblin lore low key exposes why respecting cultures isn't always right. Trade throughout history is what stopped humans from having wars. The Goblins on the other hand built a culture around the idea that one who had it first or made it themselves owns it forever, no trade at all. You can give them money to rent or borrow, but no buying and owning. So they get to keep your money and your stuff. Of course, money doesn't count as an owned item either so you can't get that back. It's a recipe for war because they don't believe in trade. It's even more dumb when you consider there isn't a living culture today with such practices and for good reason. Goblins start wars because they were written to be stupid and possessive, wizards aren't much better though.

[@brianmartyn2631]

While I agree with you about not giving to receive magically, the reason they tried to get the sword back (among other goblin made things) is the idea of “ownership” the creator or the buyer.

[@animeman8203]

@@brianmartyn2631 Here's the thing though, the goblin tried to have the sword stolen while Gryffindor was still alive and therefore going back on the deal. Even when Goblins have the stupid idea that the thing was loaned out until the loaner's death this was still attempted theft even by their backwards thinking as Gryffindor was still alive when the attempted theft happened.

[@brianmartyn2631]

@@animeman8203 fair point about trying to steal it while he was still alive, all I know is that it two conflicting believes. And I could understand the crafter’s personal “bond” if you will with his work putting his time and effort into their work.

[@mattbarrett41]

Sure. But, this doesn’t account that Goblins go to prison for wand ownership. More to the point, what right do humans have to subjugate and impose laws on another species?

[@patrickmurray3846]

don't trust a goblin to use a wand, yet trusts them full heartly with their money and other valuables.

[@thestanleys3657]

I'd assume based on how skilled and powerful the goblins are already without wands. i can only imagine how much more they could be if they had the additional use of the wand

[@willdavis3802]

Some magical schools don't use wands. They just do things the natural way. Wands for those naturally trained wizards are just a toy, it doesn't make them more powerful if they use them. It's a crutch to do things slightly easier.

[@Despotic_Waffle]

​@willdavis3802 and seems its also a european thing in the lore. Asian and African wizarding schools use hand magic.

[@haydenscholze7452]

@@willdavis3802 This isn't true, while modern wizards have become dependent on wands to perform even basic magic. The original purpose of wands was to allow for more complex and powerful magic to be cast, and to make regular casting more easy. So while it is true that wands are not needed to perform magic, there is some magic that is just too complex to pull off consistently and easily wandlessly.

[@shaeialexander7168]

You didn't go in to how goblins views on ownership would create many problems if they were allowed to have wands, they wouldn't be able to accept that wands choose their owner, that ownership can change simply by losing a duel or the wand changing alliegence through another means and that the wand very very rarely goes back to the creator. Given the issues they cause with things they already create it is more trouble than it's worth to give them wands since they don't really need them

[@CritterKeeper01]

Actually, they might be able to accept it better than wizards do! Wizards pass wands on to heirs and family members willy-nilly, with no real care for who the wand might choose. Hence Ron using his brother's old wand and Neville using his dad's. But goblins are used to the idea that buying an object is just for that person, for their lifetime. So they might just sort of think of the wand as being its own creator, hence when you die, your wand should get to *choose* its next owner.

[@shaeialexander7168]

@@CritterKeeper01 I think the sword of Gryffindor showed how they'd treat wands choosing their own owner, in the films alone we see it choosing a new weilder three times, it most likely has chosen many other weilders over the centuries too but Goblins still try to reclaim it

[@CritterKeeper01]

@@shaeialexander7168 Sounds like neither view of ownership matches "the wand chooses the wizard," but I still think the goblin view might need less change than the wizard view.

[@asmooshi9752]

​@@CritterKeeper01no that is not common practice in the harry potter universe those are the two unsual cases where rons family were too poor to buy a new wand and it made rons magic very poop and destructive (see lockhart) and neville's grandmother made him do that because his father was a hero but that is suggested that it made nevilles magic horrible not even able to do the simplest of spells. Wands are not just passed down family willy nilly. And yes i know about beating someone and wands choosing new owners

[@LiquidAwesomePersonified]

I wouldn't say that goblins are "arguably more intelligent" then wizards, or visa versa - there's just different affinities for magic; like Goblins *can* make their own wands, but their wands just aren't as good as wizard wands; like-wise, wizards can enchant swords and lockets and rings and all and imbue them with magic and curses etc. but only after they've been made - hence the horcroxes and whatnot, but goblins weave spels and magic into the creation of the weapon itself, presumably from the start of the forging process.

[@nathangamble125]

"like Goblins can make their own wands, but their wands just aren't as good as wizard wands" Is there any canon evidence for that?

[@LiquidAwesomePersonified]

@@nathangamble125 It's never explicitly stated "Goblins also make wands but they suck compared to ours", no lol that is not canon but the implications can be found within the books. Gringott's uses wands to ID vault owners, so they clearly already have a deep understanding of wand-lore, just not a mastery of it. If they know that a wand needs unicorn hair or dragon heart string and an elm branch, and can identify the wands owner it stands to reason they know everything they need to make their own wands etc. and you can bet your ass they're going to build their own because why wouldn't they??? why wouldn't you if you had the opportunity??? of course they would have tried it during or before one of their many rebellions which would be the reason there's a law saying goblins and house elves, etc. can't own wands. Speaking of Goblin rebellions, they were about rights, the only rights they don't have by harry's time is the right to learn wand lore, which is a state secret - the goblins have their own deal with goblin steel. that's why griphook was soooo hung up on Gryffindor's Sword and Aunt Muriel's Tiara - that's why goblins rent it, not sell it - the longer wizards have to study goblin steel, the better they can learn the technique/technology/magic involved and you KNOW that goblins used machines, because they're all about engineering and mechanical things, you saw that tilt-whirl-rollercoaster lol - they're more afraid of muggle-born wizards, or god forbid, muggles with a sense of engineering getting their hands on goblin steel then wizards. Again, it's never explicitly stated in the books, but i think it's fair to assume that this is legit, it creates a sense of mutually assured destruction between wizards and goblins and even muggles - which totally fits with the rest of the world in general in the 80s and early 90's cold war vibes lol.

[@vortexgen1]

The goblins could never possess the sword, because it would always leave them and go back to the Gryffindors.

[@CS-yq8hp]

Maybe goblins expect that someday wizards/man won’t exist at all. Thus the sword indeed will end in their possession

[@DameonHuber]

Wasn't it Bill that reminded Harry that Goblins were devious and not to be blindly trusted? Perhaps that is a reason for the wand ban?

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

A bit worse coming from Bill considering his entire job revolves arounds goblins and gringotts.

[@optimisticnihilist3417]

@@FormerGovernmentHuman So surely he would know.

[@Ansatz66]

If goblins are so smart, why couldn't they figure out how to write a terms of sale contract to make it clear what exactly people are getting for their money when they buy a sword?

[@Lucid3DCJ]

We learn from Natsai Onai, in Hogwarts Legacy, that using wands is primarily a European trait; noting that they have little use for them in Uagadou. Wandless magic is described as largely instinctual, suggesting that, much like a young wizard discovering their magic for the first time, simply willing something to happen is enough to prompt it to manifest. Wands, in contrast, act as a barrier between the will and the realization; effectively preventing the occasional intrusive thought from levelling an office building. Whilst Goblins can perform a form of wandless magic, it is considered to be less powerful than wand magic (Griphook describes access to wandlore as 'extending their powers'). As a result, you have a race of fiercely intelligent creatures, with access to lesser forms of instinct-driven magic, looking for a way to make their will a reality in more powerful and effective ways. A race of dissatisfied creatures with a fundamentally different opinion on ownership, in a largely capitalist society, with the power to reshape reality to fit their will would be catastrophic for existing government. Add to that the usefulness of Goblins within that society, and allowing them to become independent or equally powerful would likely cause a disastrous shift in wizarding society. Jobs far better filled by Goblins, particularly economically vital ones, would suddenly become vacant, as Goblins move to more traditionally wizarding roles, potentially for an independent (possibly hostile) state. So the government does what a good government should, and prevents mass economical and political collapse, at the expense of a minority of people. No-one likes to admit it, but it is likely what is best for the Wizarding World as we know it.

[@prezhenz6969]

lol you just described the “defense” of chattel slavery

[@Lucid3DCJ]

@@prezhenz6969 Yes, if the chattel in question were a different species with a fundamentally different view of theft and ownership, and were not legally owned or forced to do anything, which is to say: barely. The House-Elf situation is closer to chattel slavery, but that's a whole other can of worms.

[@jonwashburn7999]

Didn't Voldemort wipe out a ton of goblins? I think they would have sided against him if they had wands.

[@BrD4GOD]

They also willingly hid away things in vaults for them too. I think they have different motivations than humans do.

[@CorpseBride64]

​@@BrD4GODyes, perfect answer. humans weigh things disproportionately when it comes to other forms of life. these beings do not live by our "rules." this includes, goblins, fae, brownies, etc. it's a very long list, including elementals.

[@michelveenstra9906]

They would have sided against everybody😂

[@andrewdreasler428]

0:55 This opening appears to be looking at the prohibition of Goblins owning/using wands without addressing the Ministry of Magic's overall subjugation of ALL 'non-wizard/witch' magical beings. Said subjugation provides a rather obvious answer to the question of the video's title: The Ministry of Magic 'rules' over the entire Magical World in the same way that the European Powers ruled over their colonies (who used to be sovereign nations) during the 'Colonial Era.' We'll see if my first take on this is correct.

[@phoqueme]

I always thought of it this way: Goblins and Elves are more powerful than wizards, and the wizards know this, hence why they are forbidden to have wands. Look at goblin and elven magic, they can bypass and override wizard magic in some cases WITHOUT wands, while only VERY skilled wizards can perform wandless magic, and its difficult even for them which isnwhy wizards just prefer using wands. Its not only about skill but also will and practice, Goblins and Elves had centuries to train and hone their magic out of necessity and survival

the African school stressed wandless magic and many (most?) are adept animagi. what is a wand anyway but the proper pairing of certain woods and a selection of magic imbued cores. being a wizard could be fun but i think i'd carry a Sig for backup.

[@FrarmerFrank]

A Wand or a Staff is just a channeling point for spell casting cause keeping the spell from flying off a random finger can be a pain in the ass (a wandless cast has your hand with your fingers and thumb all pointing at the target just in case...not Harry Potter World related neccisarily)

[@Zac_Frost]

Wands in HP are also a bit of an amplifier, as magic is usually much stronger when used with one.

[@albertusvanlubeeck9161]

I've come to believe that, in the long run, wands make you reliant and weak. Because of this, it's very foolish to maintain a hostile environment with creatures whose magical abilities likely aren't diminishing and might even be growing.

[@芦白龙]

"...and remember, it does not do to gobble on Goblins and forget to tickle the pickle"

[@芦白龙]

No truer statement has been made

[@Luke-A]

I was under the impression that a wand uses other creatures' inate magical abilities to focus and intensify a wizard's low magical abilities. Wizards are able to do magic without a wand, but typically not focused and more out of emotion or external influence rather than being specific spells. Though there are outliers such as Dumbledore, Tim Riddle, ect, that are extremely naturally powerful wuzards that are able to do magic without a wand, it's not to the same level as they can with a wand. Where, as with Giblins, they are already able to focus their magic naturally and don't need a wand to focus their abilities usingbother cratures.

[@yochp9693]

Warwick Davis was amazing in that role.

[@TeaBurn]

Still never understood how/why his character got younger in the later films, when he was an old man in the earlier films.

[@kintaro1851]

@@TeaBurn You mean Flitwick? I think that was due to a misunderstanding. I think he has Goblin blood, but the makers of the original film made it to pronounced. So he wasn´t meant tolook likw in the early movies, if I´m not mistaken.

[@AltairZielite]

Now that Legacy allows screenshots, Maybe a video about the keepers, and goblin silver etc. on the horizon.

[@golamkashef5255]

I love how goblins don't believe in inheritance and rather gives the ultimate honor of ownership to the creator of the object. It's beautiful.

[@koriuk5032]

They believe in charging you for buying it though don't they... if it was beautiful they wouldn't sell it and then steal it back

[@tabletoparcade4203]

How does this rule of ownership work for anything that's not made by a single hand? Which would include the sword. Even if we assume the same person forged it, also set the gems. Someone else had to mine the gems, then someone else likely cut them. Also, someone else had to mine the ore, then someone else smelted it into ingots. If this is all true, which goblin has ownership of the Sword? The Miner, the Smelter, the Prospector the Gem Cutter or the Smith?

[@marcinwitkowski217]

Yes

[@reifuTD]

I think the none humans not having wands is probably why Hagrid was banded from using his wand being a half giant he was probably on thin ice when it came to having a wand.

[@cambridgeguerrero9740]

Wrong_! Hagrid was kicked out of school because of Tom riddle

[@reifuTD]

@@cambridgeguerrero9740 Lots students have that happen and still have their wands

[@Sileste17]

@@reifuTD Do you mean Fred and George or Newt? They were after passing standard wizarding tests (5th year), and Hagrid was not.

[@Denastus]

The way Hagrid got around the wand ban was through the use of his umbrella. IIRC the umbrella circumvented the ministry of magic's rule of unregulated wands ashis wand served a dual purpose. If I'm wrong please correct me on that.

[@chromiumboy]

​@Denastus there's definitely a passage in one of the books that Hagrid mentions that he still has the pieces of his wand to another wizard, and he's sharply asked if he still uses them, and Hagrid lies and says he doesn't. So the umbrella is just a disguise, he still isn't legally allowed to use them unless he has explicit permission, such as in the first book where he's sent as a representative of Hogwarts to collect Harry from the Dursleys

[@13loodydove46]

If a goblin dies, who would then possess its creations? And if it's the goblins family, or the goblin people in general, wouldn't that be the same of the wizard who purchased a goblin made item? (Be passed to family or its people) and if that's the case could goblins not reclaim items untill ALL of the purchases people's were dead, as there would be no one for it to be passed on to.

[@Jokervision744]

I think you should expect that there is the small print that expects them to get the item back. I guess you can haggle on it. Social beings who put the weight of socialization in just being able to haggle and trade? I wonder which they appreciate more. Sharp papers or the items?

[@A21-EDITS21]

Can you do a Muggleborns life at hogwarts in 2010s-2020s with all the technology and them trying to use their phones etc. I think now is the time for a video about that to be made.

[@Anonymous-dy1up]

Magic jams all electrical signals. I think you would just have to accept that your phone/tablet/all devices wouldn't work at Hogwarts. (Imagine the digital detox you'd get by attending, though... I'd go.)

[@bozidar13]

Cellphones anywhere near Hogwarts would be a security concern due to Google keeping location data. Google is ran by Goblins btw.

[@Anonymous-dy1up]

@@bozidar13 Exactly. Even if cellphones did work at Hogwarts, they wouldn't be allowed due to that. But... what do you mean Google is run by goblins?

[@A21-EDITS21]

@@Anonymous-dy1up I know I did say "Try to use them."

[@A21-EDITS21]

@@Anonymous-dy1up I know I did say "Try to use them."

[@hiddentruth1982]

I have a feeling that goblins were allowed wands before the revolt. That when they fought goblins were far more powerful than humans but the number of goblins were lower than human wizards. On finding the true power of goblins the wizards tried to prevent them from accessing wands because they knew they wouldn't be able to stop a full revolt.

[@AnimeCultist15]

Goblins, like Elves, likely had a far higher aptitude for Magic and a natural innate affinity for magic that Human wizards and witches just couldn’t reach, but like the humans of the real world, because we can think differently and created modern technology and things to supplement our own strengths and minimise our own weaknesses, the humans of Harry Potter were also able to place themselves at the top of the food chain. A chimpanzee in nature has very similar bodily functions to a human, but we pale in comparison to what they can physically accomplish, and they’d rip us to shreds in mere moments, however if we outnumber them and overwhelm them with tranquillisers or challenge them with firearms, they stand no Chance against us, it seems to the elves and goblins in Harry Potter are the same, just placed into power roles in the food chain and have rules placed on them that prevent them from unleashing their full power, you saw that dobby flattened Lucius Malfoy effortlessly , and malfoy was meant to be his master? Hmmmmm

[@FaceInTheCrowd]

I've always held the view that all magic users can cast spells with and without wands or staffs. A wand or a staff acts as a device to focus or direct a spell; perhaps like a hand grenade vs a rocket propelled grenade. Whilst a wand can be attuned to it's matching spell caster, a staff can be like (as some have said) a crutch, greatly amplifying a spell and focusing it to maximum effect. A spell caster parted from their staff would feel feeble without it. A staff can sometimes even have it's own identity, powerful has it is, maybe strong enough to bend the mind of it's own spell caster to it's desires. I've not yet heard of wands being capable of that in any universe though.

[@tjpprojects7192]

Pfft, if I was a Goblin, I'd make a staff (not technically a wand), and then make everyone gobblin deez nutz.

[@zachpayton1079]

So, hot take, but maybe there's a reason more than wizard greed or prejudice that Goblin's dont have wands. In the mythology of our world, goblins in ancient culture are described to be, at best, mischievous. At worst, evil and cruel. We tend to personify Goblin's because they are sentient, but they arent people. Think of how a human loves and how a dog loves. Same emotion, but the context is different because their nature and perspective interpret it differently. Given that we also dont know a lot of HP history in terms of what we've been told and when we know magic started to become established, im sure it's possible that wizards and witches have given them wands in the past. And maybe it went really badly... maybe wand weilding Goblin's is like putting a nuke button in every citizens household.

[@grokeffer6226]

Flitwick's dueling skills make me think that Goblins with wands might be too dangerous, but ideally everyone would be able to sort things out and live peacefully together. 🪄🪄🪄🔮🧙‍♂🧙🧙‍♀

[@Justin-pe9cl]

🧙🏻‍♂️🧙🏻‍♀️

[@Denastus]

Professor Flitwick is not full goblin though. He's part human part goblin, so in theory he would only possess half the magical abilities as a full goblin would.

[@AnimeCultist15]

@@Denastusand with such, he was a duelling champion, Charms master, responsible for casting many of the protective charms over Hogwarts before the battle of Hogwarts and killed Anton Dolohov, who was one of the most feared and talented death eaters.

[@poisonsave4]

Only good goblins a dead goblin

[@Denastus]

@@poisonsave4 that's low-key racist

[@fastertrackcreative]

The Wizarding World seems like a deeply segregated society with institutionalised slavery.

[@stuartCcash]

Given that Harry is shown to be quite wealthy is anbody other than me bothered that he didn't just buy Ron a new wand. Seems like the least he can do, he is always getting ron in trouble.

[@jorgnocke991]

This is a fascinating topic! Harry Dresden, from "The Dresden Files," is often compared to other famous wizards, and pitting him against the Dementors from "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" is particularly intriguing. Let's explore why Dresden could potentially defeat the Dementors and why he might struggle against them. Firstly, Dresden’s experience in combat and his versatility in using magic give him an edge. He has faced a wide variety of supernatural threats throughout his career, from vampires to faeries, which makes him well-equipped to handle the Dementors’ unique abilities. His combat spells are powerful and can be adapted to various situations, potentially neutralizing the Dementors. Secondly, Dresden’s knowledge of protective magic is extensive. He has crafted numerous wards and shields to protect himself and others from magical and physical attacks. This knowledge could help him devise a way to protect himself from the Dementors' soul-sucking abilities, either through magical barriers or other protective spells. Thirdly, Dresden's resourcefulness and determination are key traits. He often finds unconventional solutions to problems and uses his environment to his advantage. In a battle against Dementors, Dresden’s quick thinking and creativity could lead him to discover a weakness or an effective countermeasure that others might overlook. On the other hand, there are several reasons why Harry Dresden might struggle against the Dementors. Firstly, the Dementors’ primary weapon, the ability to induce despair and suck out a person's soul, is a psychological attack. Dresden, who has his own set of emotional scars and traumas, might be particularly vulnerable to this kind of assault. The intense despair they generate could significantly impair his ability to fight back effectively. Secondly, Dresden’s magical abilities, while powerful, might not include a direct counter to the Dementors’ unique form of magic. Unlike the wizards in the Harry Potter universe, Dresden doesn’t have access to a Patronus Charm, which is the known effective defense against Dementors. Without a specialized spell to repel them, he would need to improvise, which might not always be successful under extreme pressure. Lastly, Dresden often relies on physical combat skills and conventional weaponry alongside his magic. However, these would be largely ineffective against the Dementors, who are immune to physical attacks. This limitation means Dresden would have to rely solely on his magical prowess, potentially putting him at a disadvantage if his initial magical strategies fail. In conclusion, while Harry Dresden’s extensive combat experience, knowledge of protective magic, and resourcefulness give him potential ways to defeat the Dementors, the psychological nature of their attacks, the lack of a specific counter-spell, and the ineffectiveness of physical attacks could pose significant challenges for him. The outcome would likely depend on Dresden's ability to quickly adapt and find a unique solution to this daunting threat.

[@mecahhannah]

Awesome as always thanks ❤

[@jonathansilguero7619]

Always curious about this

[@Neku628]

Also, I am glad to see that Sylverin's founder wasn't being villainized this time and that the founder of Griffindor wasn't all that innocent and heroic as the movies and books make him out to be.

[@klizzard5166]

Lol that was a weird one to read. The only thing that matters is the facts and those come from 1 person. So the books will be the facts. If they state one thing thats how it is because thats how its created by JK Rowling

[@Zac_Frost]

It's almost like Rowling wrote nuance into her story lol. No one is perfect, and even the worst people could have redeeming qualities.

[@happydeath117]

I wonder how many countries they were kicked out of? 🤔

[@IanHsieh]

I just realize something, if goblins' idea of ownership is that everything belongs to the creators, and then the runs the bank that mints all wizarding currency. Then in goblin community's mind, the these coins ultimately belongs to the goblin community and only rented to the wizarding kinds to use as some token of value. Then let's say in the end of Deathly Hallow, Harry dies in the hands of Voldemort, then the entirety of Potter's inheritance would be "taken back" by the goblin community.

[@Jokervision744]

They got their place by their craft, they don't necessarily need money. If you got the machine to craft it all... I don't know how their society is, but if they use the same structures then I guess laws are there to pull them to the line where humans are too.

[@AndyJacksonSoftware]

If two cultures have fundamentally irreconcilable beliefs around core concepts (laws), they must have various barriers between the societies.

[@trevinschaerr3732]

If I was in that world I wouldn’t have Goblins have wands or my money. Cunning is dangerous and the Goblins are pretty greedy. The prejudice is justified.

[@drsingingeagle]

Most First Nations wizards and witches didn’t use wands, either. Sometimes they used staffs like Alastair Moody’s but for the most part, they simply used hand and body movements, which resembled intricate dances.

[@Castor586]

Witches and wizards could always adapt their world views, and use the goblin culture against them. Allow goblins to use wands, and then collect them after each of the goblins pass away. If the secrets of wand crafting and usage stays with the humans, predominantly, then this could both smooth relations with the goblins while keeping them in check.

[@Darkish_jace]

It's clear Goblins amongst many other magical creatures are loved by magic hence why they can use it without wands as a conduit, now if you armed mobile (who may just be the most loved by magic) the goblins would take supremacy and overthrow humans, humans are a fickle situation some loved some not and that creates the divide of muggles and magical folk and every magical creature would probably dominate humans aside from pure families who likely decended from the magic loved to an extent I mean

[@jkrause365]

I should think that after all this time Goblins would have rejected wand use in favor of developing more powerful wandless magic. It is said that the wizards & witches of Africa, N. America, and parts of Asia never developed a wand tradition. So for the Goblins, why bother?

[@JustSomeDude42]

I think the wands are a symptom not a result. One thing I never really see brought up is the Stature of Secrecy that basically segregates the magical community from the non magical. Wizards are given more rights however as a wizard, no matter how badly dressed, is unlikely to expose their world by walking down the street. Whereas a goblin, centaur, giant, or mermaid are all but banned from existing outside of designated bubbles for fear of revealing the wizards. All of whom are sapient beings with cultures of their own banned from existing in the wider world for the sake of a relatively small minority in relation to the wider magical community (the one consisting of all magical creatures not just wizards and witches).

[@IloveJellow]

Goblins can use magic without needing them. While humans require them to use magic effectively like a channel however with time and training you could reach a point where you don't need such a tool.

[@mikemcconeghy4658]

When goblin wands are illegal, only illegal goblins will have wands.

[@votehuss4833]

Goblins wear Tiny Hats!

[@oagardo]

Goblins are not to be trusted

[@NeidalRuekk]

Gradual reduction of said prohibitions would be the way forward IMO

[@ahriannamia9637]

They are actually cool beings it’s kind of interesting how Harry Potter mirrors real life history in so many ways. I always saw the reference between the goblins and you know…

[@flintliddon]

lol

[@spectreshot8536]

The star of Davids?

[@GuyIllusion]

As yes! the references to all the propaganda of a certain time about a certain group of people. Totally historically accurate. They were the real enemies too you know. Paired up with the big baddie who was against them because they were just so greedy. I'm pretty sure they still run the world today too. Darn monsters. /s Nothing about goblins is historically accurate. They are a point by point recreation of nazi propaganda. Unless that is what you are talking about. there is nothing about them that is accurate to what real Jewish people are like or what past mythology has to say about goblins. The are truly unique in how they work. But I wouldn't call them historically accurate unless you are against Jewish people. And don't pretend this isn't what you were insinuating. If it's something else feel free to clarify. Remember kids. You can love an authors work without letting it convince you to hate a certain group of people for no good reason. Just because the author hates them doesn't mean they have good reasons to and that doesn't mean you have to hate them too.

[@choppsticc]

@@spectreshot8536yes

[@lorddata2472]

That reason is called hatred and bigotry. I hope to find out where you live soon.

[@classicmiriam]

Could they have made it impossible for wizards to access their money. One way they could do this is to hide each vault key. Then shield the location. After that would be to make sure wizards couldn’t break into their vault. The most efficient way to do this would be to use Coloportus. The counter charm to alohamora. If they used all goblins to do this to every vault they might be able to do this fairly quickly. Before the ministry could be notified. True they probably would still need to fight. But it would give them more of a chance.

[@niccibaceda8425]

the ownership thing is ridiculous to me but that's sociotey. they would pull up w the killing curse for that old family ring too.

[@Hauke-ph5ui]

Are Goblins treated unfairly? Yes. Would they pose a threat to wizards/humans in general if they where allowed to use wands? Maybe. Goblins have very similar traits to humans, including greed and a hunger for power. This means that even if the majority of Goblins are peacefull and just want to live their lives and do their jobs there's always the possibility of a goblin version of Voldemort. But is this a reason to oppress the race as a whole? I don't think so. The same is true for all the nonhuman species - the enslavement of house elves is especially brutal (I always wondered why they are always called house elves specifically - this does hint at the existance of other elves as well who might be entirely different. Or at least that they did exist at some point). There's only one possible exception of a race where precaution might actually be the better way: Giants. Given their incredible strength and comparatively low intelligence it might be a bad idea to enhance their magic abilities (if they actually do possess those in the first place - nothing in the lore hints at giants actively using magic).

[@jakethomas6123]

If they bent a wand into a circle, threaded it onto a necklace, and wore it around their neck, would that be a loophole?

[@macwelch8599]

I’m surprised no one’s talking about Harry Potter: Quidditch Champions

[@Acuas]

The only thing to talk about that, is why they didn't add that into Hogwarts Legacy and instead made an entire different game.

[@andrewjones4332]

It's kinda funny how noone has mentioned the same plot hole in goblins c selling goblin gear out as loaning until death then it should b returned/taken back after the buyers death. So if it belongs to the goblin that forges it wat happens when the forger dies. Unless it is implied goblins r eternal without death(should make fighting against goblins in those rebellions hard if they dont die ever) so unless goblin law states when the forger dies their creations belong to all goblins or any goblin given the opportunity may claim and keep it like griphook did the sword of gryffindor . I feel that's a big hole there

[@johnt.inscrutable1545]

Who has been treated well in wizarding history? Wizards, like muggles, treat everyone like crap, even each other, but especial where there are differences between “us and them”.

[@lorddata2472]

Exactly. This is kind of the whole point of the book. We come to learn not to judge each other by blood, status, or by house and realize that they all needed each other to come together in order to defeat the Dark Lord and his army. Like the house elements, they compliment each other. Wind fuels fire, water helps the earth grow, etc. Everyone has something unique to bring to the table. I feel like most people read the words but they don't understand what they mean. So many "Potterheads" get major details wrong and seem to miss the entire message of the book among other themes.

[@deltacx1059]

3:21 literally modern corperations.

[@LisaBeta-42]

Here the Goblins are the same cast as Dwarfs in other Fantasy franchises since the "Ring of the Nibelungs" - metalwork, gold and riches and forging weapons? There are mixed human-giant children - are there mixes with goblins or elves?

[@alexanderthurman214]

Watching Grimhook, in the Deathly Hallows 2, so evil he was, even though Harry Potter saved him, from Madame Le strangej, clutch’s. When Harry asked him, to help them sneak into Grimgots Bank, the evil Goblin says”why should I help you”, only afterwards with the sword of Gryffindor, in his hand, “I said I’d help you get in, but I never said I get you out” May God bless everyone ✝️🇺🇸!

[@Neku628]

I'm just wondering how half-goblin wizards like one of the teachers at Hogwarts exist. Why would a wizard or witch want to even start a family with a goblin for him to exist?

[@lugiasean19]

So you’re saying corporations like apple for instance are basically goblins. Interesting 🤔

[@renato5668]

Is this part of the books?

[@wendyjones3586]

My question is why Goblins submit to wizard control. ? I think they had the smarts to learn wand lore and how to create their own unknown to the Wizard rulers . Why would they need wizards to teach them ? There are books on wand lore.. I think they could do it . That was also my question on students who had their wand snapped...What was to stop them from going to another country and buying a wand there ? There were other wand makers besides Olivander.And not traceable after reaching standard age of 17 . Just a thought .

[@ryanrj7500]

Yeah I wondered the same but I guess goblins also understand that the battle would again be a massive loss if life given the power wizards have amassed over all those years of basically being in charge of the magical world. Goblins probably could make their own wands and perhaps some tried but were dealt with or warned by the ministry. Goblins may be more cunning, but even a genius in a 3rd world country can't fight an established military like that of the US or Britain. Idk that's how I tried to make sense of it

[@stephenmcginnis5789]

It turns out that as usual Ron is always right: As he said, until Goblins are willing to share the secrets of their ability in metal fabrication, they have no right to ask the wizards to do the same with wands.

[@getoffyoubassandletsfish8565]

Hagred is half giant so a half goblin or a half house elf should be aloud to IF THEY GET THEIR OWL 🦉 LETTER like Hagred did.

[@ricks5756]

It would seem far more effective to simply use firearms instead of wands due to the time it can take to cast spells, and the limited area of effect offensive spells have ( in the books ).

[@Bu10g_yt]

So why ranrok gets Miriam wand?

[@jacobdrolet4262]

Amazing video why goblins can’t have wands in Harry Potter lore,fantastic job. Why does goblins have very long arms in the wizarding world in Harry Potter lore.?

[@johnt.inscrutable1545]

“Wizards and witches looked down on them…” Um, unless your laying on your back you have to look down to even see them!

[@scottleitner4801]

The trustworthy aspect is where I fall. The goblins are erratic and can't be trusted to carry wands, or we end up with a scenario like Ranrok. Not all goblins are bad, but we also saw from Griphook that they'll turn on you very fast as well.

[@kyletaylor4312]

6:53 start of the video....

[@ryanmoore7098]

I wonder if a goblin could matter with a wizard/witch. Then what would happen???

[@bolikde9389]

You get someone like Professor Flitwick.

[@TylerGrennell-pu8xv]

So what about the goblin teacher that's in all of the Harry Potter movies who teaches at Hogwarts. You should remember him as the teacher that's in the scene where Hermione is telling people how to pronounce wingardium leviosa

[@lukeellis758]

Wait.. i just realised... in a world full of magic Ron chose to use tape to fix his wand....

[@stretchyjim1]

we need laws like that for our banking goblins.

[@meacadwell]

Do a video about why they can't use ballpoint pens. It's not like gravity doesn't work in the wizarding world.

[@Anonymous-dy1up]

I think it's just wizard arrogance again, refusing to accept Muggle inventions. Like, why don't they all implement flying cars instead of ostracizing Arthur Weasley for inventing one?

[@manyhammers5944]

Pens work off of capillary action.

[@meacadwell]

@@manyhammers5944 Exactly. Which would work for wizards as well.

[@mjc4942]

House elves and goblins are the same right. Just on different paths. That'd be an interesting topic. Maybe it's already been done here. Can't remember.

[@eliasthienpont6330]

🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁 THE LION WAS HERE 🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁 No. 175

[@xoxide1017]

why dont they use something like a ring or charm instead of a wand

[@user-ug8bk5su2i]

The thumbnail looks like judge Engoron.

[@renato5668]

I always thought they didn't have wands because they didn't need it

[@handanyldzhan9232]

Wonder why they never pulled an Atlas Shrugged on the wizarding community after they became so dependent on them.

[@Thejigholeman]

goblins aren't allowed to use wands for the same reason that wizards can't learn goblin metalworking. Wizards: it's my special thing, and if they won't share their special thing, i won't share my special thing. Goblins: It's my special thing, and if they won't share their special thing, i won't share my special thing. also, it seems that working with goblins is difficult, since they have a different idea of how trade works, so working out a deal on trading information would probably be impossible. the goblins would probably show 1 person how to do goblin metalworking, then demand that that person never show anyone else, or do metalworking without a goblin present, and the item made by said wizard would be considered the property of the goblin that sat in watching the creation process. another thing to consider is that if goblins taught wizards how to do goblin metalsmithing, wizards would have no need for goblins anymore. i can see the ministry (especially umbridge) sending out the aurors to round up and slaughter the rest of the goblins, since they aren't necessary anymore and access to wand lore makes them too dangerous.

[@raughboy188]

Actualy one half goblin wields a wand. Professor Flitwick is half goblin so how to explain how he got his wand if he is half goblin? Perhaps only pure blood goblins aren't allowed to have a wand, half goblins can.

[@The_Anomaly]

How have Goblins been kept down by Wizards if they are so powerful? Are they simply out numbered? Do Wizards live longer?

[@Acuas]

I mean, if treated properly, wouldn't goblinst just be a threat equal to dark wizards? I can't imagine that all goblins are bad, they're just in a position where they're opressed, so when someone cunning enough encourages them to rebel, they will, since they have nothing to lose, I do think that ig goblins had the same rights as wizards, they would just be some problems here and there, just as some wizards cause problems too.

[@danielcooke9974]

I think goblins could have been tricked after massive conflicts , goblin get all the gold and to make the gold into coins and get to store the gold, humans are the only beings allowed wands, So if a goblin who made the deal gets all the gold , its worthles because one goblin had all the gold if no human has gold, the goblin has no benefits from the humans.

[@Exile8oh8]

Sounds to me like goblins are the superior race and that if they really wanted to they could create something else that they could use to help Channel their magical abilities

[@TnT_F0X]

The Goblins should have gone into politics. Imagine politicians... but they stay in office for 900 years. War? Naw we will just change inheritance law.

[@jakubbrown3521]

If goblins are so smart they should have been able to figure out how to make wands for themselves right? Like there's no way they could have been watched at all times and never made their own wands

[@angryhedgehoglee6363]

Yet Morty could use magic sans wand. But then, Morty turned himself into a creature of pure magic. Goblins can use Wanda to increase and amplify their natural magical abilities, but it is not a necessity. Goblins are basically Wands with legs as are all magical creatures to one extent or another.

[@nathanlynch9634]

If the goblins really wanted to cause a lot of chaos they should have gone on strike from gringots.

[@bensymington1914]

Technically professor flitwhick had goblin heritage

[@Gary-e4h]

Only a min in, but GTA point out there is at least one goblin with a wand, and he a professor at Hogwarts, although I believe he only half goblin

[@seasickviking]

Something tells me both the wizards & our dear audience is being rather naive on what goblins are truly capable of. After all, while its true Goblins cannot use wands, legally speaking, that doesn't account for the numerous other foci that magical beings are capable of using, such as rings, amulets and others. Let's not forget that goblins have successfully mastered wandless magic, which is a goal of many great wizards, which in many ways make them superior to traditional wand-users in combat. Finding themselves suddenly being as dependent on a physical focus like wands could in fact become a serious handicap for them, not a bonus.