why can you use chaotic will twice (SMT V)

40 mins of progress down the drain
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[@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw]

LV99 Mermaid? I see you are a man of culture. Quite BASED and flatpilled.

[@privateinformatics6584]

I think mermaid and angel's unique animations are the best in the game, I wanna get a lvl 99 of both, even if their uniques are underpowered for late game

[@TARINunit9]

So here's a fun fact I discovered: "Chaotic Will" is not a literal translation. A literal translation would be "Reason of Chaos." Reason. You know. That thing Kagutsuchi told him he wasn't allowed to create. Well now Demi-Fiend has created one _out of pure spite, and he can use it to kill people._

[@sutora9309]

That's so fucking cool

[@rodionlee2533]

Yeah, didn't expect anything less from omnipotent gigachad alpha-fiend

[@OneColdRepublican]

Demi-Fiend: ILL SHOW YOU A REASON. AND THAT REASON IS ABSOLUTE DEATH.

[@Silver-Kaitou]

Demi-Fiend actually said “You’re not my dad!” and created chaos.

[@mongodroid4842]

holy shit, demi fiend is the CEO of Chaos

[@ClvrBstrd]

Metatron: (Exists) Demi-Fiend: Who the fuck said you can get out of the Labyrinth, bitch!

[@ClvrBstrd]

@@Slevind No

[@defaultyanny861]

@@Slevind no negation was insta-killed at the end didn’t you see

[@ivanlagrana878]

Metatron: since i got beaten by that black frost and his friends, nobody respects me anymore.

[@Slevind]

@@ClvrBstrd oh wait there's metatron in the video as well my bad

[@JuanGarcia-gd4xn]

I love how Aogami just gives you that look of "yes, you just got clapped" after you die

[@phoenixpoole7667]

“Are you telling me he can just spam Almighty attacks and I have to just respect it?” Aogami: “ Atlus difficulty, young man. *Atlus difficulty.* ”

[@ZeroOmega-vg8nq]

@@phoenixpoole7667 have you ever heard the trajedy of darth serf the wise? Its not a story the archangels would tell you. Demifiend a creature so powerful he insta kills you for doing a move combo.

[@koroo2891]

@@ZeroOmega-vg8nq Serph: let’s not even talk about the rng bullshit

[@MetaGamingDojo]

*Aogami:* Young man, what have you done?! You got us both killed!😐

[@DrDank]

Nahobino: Summons Metatron Demi-fiend: “And I took that personally”

[@zero123alpha6]

TBH, it was on the player for not putting resist Phys on every demon they had.

[@GauravKumar-jr2rd]

@@zero123alpha6 Facing Demifiend without phys resist is truly s*icidal. Reminds me of the time when I fought him in DDS. I hated that fight.

[@eieneidnf]

​@zero123alpha6 also you really should not bring any law shit to a demifiend fight you know that must annoy him at least

[@demi-femme4821]

Aogami: "Young man, you appear ot have pissed him off. I suggest we leave immediately."

[@areyes4142]

Jesus, this boss literally said F your turn. Brutal ending

[@ampkenryu7145]

I believe this is like how the AI punishes the player for going the Seal route rather than.... actually straight up fighting him.

[@dream6562]

No it's taking to long to take out one of his demons, as long as you can keep up a good battle rhythm then you good honestly

[@makotomachiyuki]

@@dream6562 so seal route basically taking too long to take out the demon?

[@dream6562]

@@makotomachiyuki no you can go for the seal route but you have a set number of turns to take out one of his demons other wise he will insta kill you

[@Calliemakescontent]

Once the battle starts he puts you on a timer, 6 turns to take out any of his allies, if you fail he will use Gaea Rage which is a game over, every Quarter of Hp you take from him (15k) he will use Chaotic Will, he will always focus the most recently summoned demon with Deadly Fury, you have to always buff and debuff cause everyone in his team and i mean everyone has dekunda and dekaja, i was streaming when i saw i believe Cu Chulain use dekaja when he doesn’t have it in his available moves, if there’s no buffs on the field they’ll Debilitate and spam Megidolaon,

[@TheRoboKitty]

@@Calliemakescontent I get conflicting answers to this: does Deadly Fury count against his "Gaea Rage counter"? Or can you stall him out by switch spamming?

[@todd3143]

i like how the idle animation transitions into the casting animation almost seamlessly

[@duane7996]

Demi-Fiend : "Nice Knife."

[@ikhwananimationsbeyondweeb4528]

Demifiend to your press turn: I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it

[@thunderthunderstorms8828]

Demifiend *Hits nabino button* “Wait a sec………. Wrong button.” *Pushed. Delete nabinho button*

[@zaqareemalcolm]

"well its not called 'orderly will' now, is it?" - _demifiend probably_

[@notreallygudetama]

Still can't believe Demi-Fiend dealt 5 digits of damage

[@manuelmateo3392]

Both sides can.

[@julianmcmurray7734]

@@manuelmateo3392 tell me in what manner can nahobino deal 20k damage like demifiend without using some sort of cheese strat In a normal game.

[@CereDulce37]

​@@julianmcmurray7734 ok

[@julianmcmurray7734]

@@CereDulce37 L+ratio

[@Cthululululu]

@@julianmcmurray7734 giga high str build Murakuko Charge The Magatsuchi skill that increases damage based on %of max HP missing Endure Use it on 1 HP. Tho I think that's still slightly shy of five digits unless you're on easy

[@vincegeneau851]

gotta say, interesting choice of demons for the fight. I hope you managed to clear the battle in the end!

[@mai-xf5tn]

nice mermaid

[@Calliemakescontent]

Thank you, i like mermaid a lot hence why i built her

[@t.a.n4538]

@@Calliemakescontent I see, a man of culture as well.

[@goodintentions8106]

I wondered why she was so focused on.... maybe I can max a kodama

[@YurificationTrademark]

Welcome to Shin Megoomi Tensay™.

[@Ventorus01]

That Demi-Fiend back bend. 😮

[@YuriNoel7]

I’ve had Demifiend use Chaotic Will not once, not twice but FOUR TIMES in a consecutive row. Luckily I had Abyssal Mask with high luck so I never died to it but did lose two demons from it. I normally want to rate this boss fights as one of the best but because Chaotic Will exist and in of itself is RNG BS it always loses a few points in my book. Least with other BS super bosses like Stephen he was hard and had a lot to BS too but you always had a way to counter it. The counter to Chaotic Will is to dedicate two skills slots to passives and still hope you don’t die from it.

[@sociallyawkard5675]

@Novi Rp13 You dont know rng, play digital devil saga demifiend

[@makotomachiyuki]

@@sociallyawkard5675 that fight gives me ptsd

[@donschaero7042]

@@sociallyawkard5675 have you played lucifer on devil survivor ? demi fiend relies on his demon allies on the other hand, lucifer on (devil survivor) can solo wipe 4 MC at the same time, each MC have 2 demon, essentially wiping 12 party member

[@sociallyawkard5675]

@@donschaero7042 yes i have,demifiend is harder,demifiend requires rng to 1.have pixie drain her magic in a certain time limit or else she casts recarmdra,2. You can't bring resistances,3. one of those spells pixie will cast is dormina which YOU NEED TO GET HIT BY OR YOU LOSE,with the null sleep passive you dodge all spells when asleep allowing you to dodge Demifiends scripted instant kill Gaea Rage, all of this needs to be done to down the demifiend,Lucifer can be manipulated due to him casting certain shit, with luck you can skip an entire phase due to his hassohappa reflection,plus you can delay his turn with recarm which instantly makes who's revived go next in the turn order,demifiend is harder

[@liamkqn]

A trick to not get Chaotic Will as often is to be weak, neutral or resist (which is the objective better choice) Phys, since he will opt for those attacks instead

[@wave81210]

Just gonna leave a like because you play in JP voice

[@shinyanakagawa8241]

Demifiend will Deadly Fury any new demon you summoned. So, be prepared to equip all of them with any physical resistance, preferably repel physical.

[@julianmcmurray7734]

Repel and drain and block physical is cheesy and cringe against demifiend.

[@sswishbone]

actually it's better to use 'resist physical' as it will mean he uses Friekrugel a lot less

[@ryanp7546]

@@julianmcmurray7734 the demifiend itself can be unfair,what the hell are you on about

[@lewis9s]

Demifiend: Oh well, second time’s the charm.

[@jetteyes2064]

I remember trying him for a couple hours. I gave up and went and beat the game. Afterward I thought "nah, I can do it" and I beat him first try.

[@moister3727]

Bro does 28759 of damage when you barely have 700hp

[@mauriciolacerda7458]

There is no such thing as to much overkill.

[@raikaria3090]

Something must be up with your resist. Demi-Fiend is only normally using Frekugel after summoning, but here he's spamming it. Also the adds are using Megiadolon. Are you full nulling Demi-Fiend? Because he *dosen't like that*

[@blastmole299]

Yep, he knows Nahobino have at least Null phys, so he'll only use Freikugel, or Chaotic Will if he wanted to. For Girimehkala and Pixie they're probably just being a dick

[@waltuh-bi6gw]

To be fair, Demi-fiend can use Gaea Rage to pierce his "Null Phys", although that'd be overkill if the player doesn't have whittled goat and Enduring Soul.

[@carlosbrambila4667]

I got chaotic will and Gia force in the same turn. Died everyone one died

[@shinyanakagawa8241]

You mean Gaea Rage? Gaia Force is one of WarGreymon's skill.

[@carlosbrambila4667]

@@shinyanakagawa8241 lol yeah

[@_GLXC]

This is why I went into this with like 115 vitality or something. No way im getting 1 shotted by a crit freikugel

[@julianmcmurray7734]

Meanwhile gaea rage: *why hello there.*

[@raikaria3090]

I mean he was double Debilitated

[@lucassworldofletsplays9270]

That… should not be legal

[@icookchildrenandeatthem9085]

You know it's over when you see freikugel

[@soldier9611]

If you have a phys RESISTANCE you can make demi fiend spam j rain instead of like chaotic will and freikugel too

[@YasEmisDaBus]

This is why you never attack his wife

[@SwanCC]

I assume this Hard mode? I've had Demi-fiend Gaea Rage me when he had 0 allies up and been Chaotic Willed twice in the same set of 5 turns. I've not seen any accurate version of his script.

[@peaceofyoshi]

I am so sorry

[@aldosetang9799]

He always use it twice if you seal his healing

[@tsukasa-no-douji5089]

i always wondered, what reasoning did the devs use to make demifiends team as such? was there even a reason?

[@sagelemmers7009]

Demi-Fiend's team is a Greatest Hits list of notable Nocturne demons. Cu Chulainn, Arahabaki and Parvati could only be obtained through evolving certain weaker demons, a process many players would have spent hours grinding. The Girimekhala you purchase in the Amala Labyrinth is the only demon in the game that gets Pierce, Cerberus is a notable character in the major quest where Demi-Fiend gets his extra turn, and then there's his oldest friend, Pixie. All in all, the devs showed their work.

[@tsukasa-no-douji5089]

@@sagelemmers7009 that's actually pretty cool. Thanks for the info.

[@mongodroid4842]

it's his team in the digital devil saga super boss

[@tsukasa-no-douji5089]

@@mongodroid4842 good to know. I'm actually playing through dds1 for the first time. I've heard some rumors about it. Like a garenteed instakill move under specific conditions

[@tristankadow3756]

@@tsukasa-no-douji5089 iirc: • If you null, repel or drain an element (null sleep and null crit do NOT count) • If you kill 2 of his demons • If you haven't killed one of his demon in a certain number of turns • If you haven't dealt damage in a certain number of turns

[@marsh1270]

Do you drain physical ?

[@gpmegaman]

Imagine expecting sympathy while fighting a super boss. We are smt fans, we eat shit for breakfast, and we laugh at the misery of our rng. I'm proud of you, for what it's worth.

[@dasfaodfadsfanfklawe]

lots of lines of code thats why

[@noxus2458]

Really weird, demi fiend shouldn't have been able to use chaotic will 2nd turn. Had thought it was every 25% done to demi fiend.

[@Calliemakescontent]

He once used it twice on the same turn, i will upload it in a few days once im free

[@coolperson677]

In my experience with the fight, after he uses Mediarahan, Chaotic Will enters his regular movepool as a less common move, however he still uses it at every 25%. Him using it at each 25% does not count towards the five of his press turns until he uses Gaea Rage, but if he selects it randomly as a normal move, It does.

[@kumasama2449]

@@coolperson677 actually no. Demi fiend use it two times has a punishment for skipping is mediaharan, its basically its simply to fuck you over.

[@coolperson677]

@@kumasama2449 in my testing runs I never skipped mediarahan, post him healing it just becomes one of his normal moves (I think I mentioned it before but I consider it a "normal" move because it is used with seemingly no pattern, and counts towards gaea rage while the uses that are incremental with his health do not). Though i ended up beating him without doing the mediarahan skip so he could also very well use it twice to punish you in that case.

[@kumasama2449]

@@coolperson677 ow well i did alot of attempts on the demi fiend, and beated it on normal difficulty while doing a mediaharan skip and then did attempts without it. I clearly noticed a pattern where he would use it after using mediaharan without skips but just once, then at 25% of his health, then 50, 75 and then done. But for me i think its more linked to the amount of turns you take than the damages he receives but its only my theory on the matter.

[@julianmcmurray7734]

See all these comments on demifiends ai and such are nice and all but his ai does counter the repel physical strat. Iv tried it a good 20 times and he’s never once focused the demon that has come out with deadly fury. So I though “why not make myself immune to physical then let’s see what happens” I get eye lasers. Wish they made demifiend punish you even more for using cheese strats like that honestly.

[@Acceler903]

How do you even get chaotic will for nahobino??

[@Calliemakescontent]

You must beat demi fiend to get his essence and learn his moves

[@Acceler903]

@@Calliemakescontent thank you

[@Relisoc]

also demifiend is infinitely re-fightable and you can keep farming his essence

[@mitsueharada]

I'm sorry, but I have to point out that you brought this upon yourself. Should you summoned an megami like demeter and ressurrected/healed everyone with the magatsuhi ability, you certainly had a chance to survive and flip the table

[@cksupreme]

You need sum reflect phys, m8.

[@legendaryviking281]

What doesn’t make sense to me is lvl 99 for us players but we have very very low health and mp vs enemies we face. Which is unfair but fun

[@julianmcmurray7734]

I mean we’re pretty friggin stacked at level 99. If you were to be able to have the same amount of health as other enemies or, in demifiend’s case *60 fucking thousand.* the game imo would feel waaaay too easy. Shiva wouldn’t even be able to do that much damage in one hit. And he’s the second hardest fight in the whole game

Demi-Fiend had enough of Mot's shit.

[@mongodroid4842]

your metatron didn't resist phys, come on! you should have put Reflect phys on him but resistance is the bare minimum and you didn't do that?

[@multiversegamer6587]

Just stop trying at this point. It’s not worth it.

[@Somulo]

because after smt 1 2 and 3 gamedesigner is left the studio and you need to enjoy trash like persona 3 or this game what got nothing from old smt 2 or 3

[@jerm70]

Meanwhile SMT 3 "Beast Eye" "Debilitate" "Beast Eye" "Beast Eye" "Megidolan" "Beast Eye" "Beast Eye" "Miss" "Miss" "Miss" "Miss" "Player Turn"

[@LordlyWeeb]

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