Why Cell Saga Goku Beats Ichigo

In Today's Video I Will Be Explaining Why Cell Saga Goku Beats Ichigo
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[@SilverKnightGoAnimate]

Pin? Yeah so I will correct a few things, not only on your end though, but on the guy showing the video. First and foremost, the mortal realm does not stop at cho-jigen, but even if it did, cho-jigen doesn't just mean beyond dimensionality, it would actually refer to something above the concept via Japenese people using the same term, and jigen itself to refer to realms within religion that are metaphysical and transcendental in nature, and Japenese even using cho-jigen and interpreting it as transcendental (transcending something on an abstract or supernatural level), it would be something that is beyond thr comceptualization of dimensions as a whole, especially within contexts like dragon ball that use religion which further substantiates that it would be beyond the concept of dimensionality. However, the mortal realm doesn't stop there, the mortal realm contains the time room being stated to contain all of past, present, and future, we know in dragon ball that it is based on the many-worlds interpretation where going in the past, present, or the future is simply just consisted off of an entirely different reality, and this room is within Kami's lookout, this is bare minimum High Hyperversal as the many-worlds interpretation states that all quantum possibilities are achieved, Quantum Mechanics being directly based off of Hilbert Space which is a governing abstraction to any dimensional space that can exist, even arguing hilbert space isn't high hyper, we know it can extend to that level, and the many-worlds interpretation states that ALL quantum possibilities are fulfilled. Within dragon ball, there is also Einsteinian physics, being stated rhat they directly sacrifice the concept of higher dimensions for Einsteinian physics, which contains supersymmetry, being an infinite dimensional construct that represents the symmetry between any higher dimension, that works on an infinite dimensional extent, and superspace exists within dragon ball, which is the concept of space that is inhabited by supersymmetry. ON TOP OF THIS, we also have the fact that the earth can create mathematical constructs off of trigonometry, and we know that characters within guidebooks are directly stated to be incalculable or beyond mathematics (saiyan saga for example), since we know what mathematics are within the verse, ans that it is an actual existential construct, we can conclude it scales to all of trigonometry, which encompasses all of set theory, higher dimensions, etc. This excludes the higher constructs within the mortal realm, such as the Pendulum Room which is a conceptual construct outside of space and time, we know that the subspace has no concept of space and time and is closed off from dimensions entirely. Overall, scaling the mortal realm easily to High Outerversal, and High Hyperversal at an extreme lowball (destroying kami's lookout, which Demon King Piccolo can do, is at LEAST High Hyper in itself) Next, for the bleach scaling, Universal is definitely not where it caps at, as it is comprised of infinite realms, inside of infinire realms, outside of infinite realms which can be considered a dimensional transcendence, Aizen also explains that he transcends humans the same way 3D transcends 2D, and that Ichigo is on a higher plane of existence, making Ichigo Low Complex Multiversal - Complex Multiversal (when you regard the entire Cosmology, including Ichigo's ability to destroy fate) So Ichigo was insanely lowballed, however, still doesn't come CLOSE to Cell Saga, and this is excluding the human scaling, and the fact that Kid Goku can scale to Mishirito who has control over shonen jump as well.

[@Midlletrack-Top-Fan]

W As Hell you Deserve the pin📍 Bro

[@gregkareem9824]

​@@Midlletrack-Top-Fanur everywhere

[@eeeeeeeee8]

About superdimensions part: 1- you should prove that japanese people take The same context of super dimensions being above The concept of time And space 2-where you got The translation + where you got your examples And where this term Is using with those context And The source of it 3-hillbert space isnt always infinty dimensional you need to prove why it is infinty dimensional construct within The living world 4-supersymmetry doesnt reffer to inf dimensions space its reffers to a space with more than 4 coordinte where you got it is infinty dimensional And explaine it And what Is The scan you used talked about db have The same physics

[@SilverKnightGoAnimate]

@@eeeeeeeee8 1. I said cho-jigen, not "super dimensions", but I never said that kanji specifically was above the concept of time, I said the concept of dimensionality, which at baseline is still Outerversal, just that the scans in dragon ball directly state that they transcend the concept of time and space. 3. I never said Hilbert Space is always infinite dimensional, but with the context given, yes it is, if you do look at the Wikipedia definition for Hilbert space, and any scientific definition for Hilbert space, it is the theoretical space that allows any concept of dimensions to be generalized, this abstraction can work on dimensions that are finite to infinite dimensional, even if you were to argue Hilbert space isn't always infinite dimensional, the premise still suggests it can be, the many-worlds interpretation asserts that *ALL* quantum possibilities are realized. 4. As for your question on supersymmetry and superspace. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superspace iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1070/SM1994v077n02ABEH003444 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstring_theory en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersymmetry In reference to your question as in "where do I get my sources from" Chozenshuu: World Guide Dragon Ball Z RPG Guidebook: Daizenshuu 4: Dead Zone Movie databooks Daizenshuu 7

[@SunWukong139]

you forgot koyama stated mortal realm inf hireachies(which r also layers in db) transcends the concept of dimensionality. So mortal realm is a inf 1-A

[@GokuInsaneFromEarth]

True Bankai and Full Power Ichigo is Universal to Universal+. He'd give Goku a good fight, but Goku negs. Both casually Solo Saitama though 🗿

[@LeonhartEdits]

I don't see nothing except Pure FACTS 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@Midlletrack-Top-Fan]

Immeasurable W as A Big Ichigo Fanboy I Gotta Agree with the Facts 💀

[@invincible4u]

Dawg stop 😭

[@Midlletrack-Top-Fan]

@@invincible4u 😅

[@Redn_edits]

Cell saga? Namek saga Goku nukes the verse

[@silentkiler678]

Namek Goku? Sperm Goku negs the verse

[@GoofyahhVegetafan]

Namek Saga? 22nd Tournament Spits On the Verse

[@GoofyahhVegetafan]

@@goatyx_ Bardock's Sperm Of Goku Negs The verse

[@Trunks306]

@@goatyx_nah goku without ssj ssj2 ssj3 super sayin god ssj blue ssj blue kaioken ui mui solos 💀

[@TheGRUsomeKiller]

@@goatyx_Pff the concept of him not being born

[@Zaiphlr]

Saiyan Saga Goku is enough 💀NO, overkill

[@GoofyahhVegetafan]

@Middletrack Bardock's Sperm Of Goku Solos that Fodder Verse

[@CC_GokuScales]

I'm also big Bleach fan but in fact Namek Saga Goku obrilates verse

[@karamxd3550]

This is a Big W Bro

[@shanksyonko411]

Bleach cosmology do not pass galaxy.

[@Kodeuk]

Wouldn’t the space count as the cosmology in bleach? Like bleach world is a modern day world so I would assume that there are scientist companies like NASA that study space

[@ru8e42]

W king returned!

[@mirihaxha2263]

Big W bro, thank you for this explanation

[@MiddleTrack]

No problem bro ❤️ 🙏

[@Aabuturab]

using high ball scales for ichigo brings him at EOS to universal+(Multiversal is really pushing it) and using guide book statements can bring namek goku to complex multiversal to low outer

[@God00364]

Love your videos , can you plz make a video about asta vs timskip boruto .

[@cocopebbles3841]

While I do agree with Uni Plus and beyond Ichigo, but Goku is stronger due to a larger cosmology

[@MiddleTrack]

Fax

[@Eesar11]

Larger cosmology doesn't automatically put you to it you have to perform feats to be at that level

[@4tuneJohn]

Buu han was going to crush the universe with alternate dimensions ssj3 goku >>buuhan probably ​@Eesar11

[@Eesar11]

@@4tuneJohn yes but that doesn't put him to the cosmology completely. Buuhan was mostly going to destroy living world and alter dimensions which can scale to 6d-7d. While entire universe 7 macrocosm is high outer he comes close to low outer or high hyper

[@Trunks306]

Raditz saga goku is enough for ichigo and aizen and yhwach

[@worthy-man]

Wtf you talking about Yamcha First appearance is enough 🗿🗿🗿

[@Trunks306]

@@worthy-man w

[@Matheodbz-qx3yt]

My scales Végéta saga sayien is planète a star Frieze saga namek is système solaire a Galaxy Android saga is multi Galaxy Cell saga is univers a univers + Buu saga is multiverse a low complexe multiverse Yhardrats Goku one finger >>>>> Trunks ssj >>>>> mecha frieze >>>>> frieze full power and Goku ssj 1 saga namek

[@shehriyar_zama]

one thing for sure ichigo and goku can solo opm

[@MiddleTrack]

Fax bro

[@LeonhartEdits]

Ichigo? Goku? Even Renji nukes OPM while raping Fubuki

[@OtchimU-pt7zh]

W

[@Potat0913]

0:30 "That's a universal feat" Bro that's not even enough to beat kid goku let alone cell saga goku 💀💀

[@AnshuOp-ur4fq]

Every downplayer Is gangsta until goattrack appears 💀❤️ Bro ichigo is my favourite don't compare him to cell saga Goku he will die 😭

[@billzfx1816]

no shit he beats ichigo

[@glorxies]

Keep talking to the db downplayers in the back

[@Brayxedit]

See bro this why you need 200 million subscribers

[@MiddleTrack]

Thank you 🙏❤️

[@Zero-Dimensional]

Real.

[@Gogeta_The_Editor]

Kid goku is slamming ichigo

[@ForceFire472]

W goku negs but both goats and both neg saitama.

[@Zaiphlr]

Fax

[@MiddleTrack]

Fax bro

[@UltraSeraphim]

W

[@RyanLoweWIS2]

Fax

[@Stevemultiversaltree]

Even cell said fax

[@user-nq9wh6lm3h]

Yo middlegoat does goku have irrelevant speed in the namek saga because when he was fighting 2 members of the ginyu force (I forgot their names) goku was dodging and barely even moving and he wasn’t even trying. So does goku have irrelevant speed in the namek saga?

[@MiddleTrack]

I think he's inf speed personally but you could probably get him there at a high ball

[@user-nq9wh6lm3h]

@@MiddleTrack k thx

[@eeeeeeeee8]

How superdimensions scales to outer? I mean if they translate to something beyond Dimensions its just reffers to The dimensions of The humans world even if we say its doesnt reffers to The living its still not outer its just beyond The highest dimensions in Db just in db its doesnt reffer to something like beyond The concept of dimensionalty or just beyond any number of dimensions its something like 7D to 5D within The living world tbh.

[@shanksyonko411]

To be outerversal you must destroy, create or affect infinite dimensions. Super dimensions is dimensions and dimensionality. Super Dimensions = Beyond The Order Of Dimensions = Beyond Higher Dimensions. This means that it is beyond any dimensions, regardless of their number, or that it is infinite.

[@eeeeeeeee8]

@@shanksyonko411 1- thats just high hyper if you effect or create inf dimensions 2-The source of translate? Where you got it btw? 3- thats nlf its just beyond The highest dimensions in Db just The dimensions of The verse

[@shanksyonko411]

@@eeeeeeeee8 you are right. 1- high hyperversal It is to destroy, create, or affect an infinite amount of dimensions. 2- Low Outerversal It is destroying or creation or affects the structure beyond infinite dimensions. 3- Outerversal It is destroying, creating, or affecting Several numbers are similar to the low outerversal structure. Since we are talking about super dimensions or in Japanese (超次元) In Japanese transcending dimensions or super dimensions or whatever way you say it always comes with (超次元 ) 超 : beyond, super, transcend. 次 : next, order, stage, sequence. 元 : dimensions or dimensionality. What does Ko Jigen (超次元) mean? because otherwise it would have the same meaning as Kō jigen , which is used to talk about higher dimension. However, looking at the meaning for this kanji, its meaning would be "transdimensionnal", which can be used for something above infinite dimensions. In Daizenshuu 4 he used the same word that is (超次元) In the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie that came from the light novel, in the place where Gogeta and Broly fight, it was called "a battle in the super dimensions" in Japanese " 超次元での戦い" and the term was used in Japanese is (超次元) . Dimensional transcendent is to exist beyond whatever the “dimensions” are according to their understanding. Dimensional qualities to me are basically Time and Space, which would penetrate into the infinite reality. In this case we speak exclusively about the in-universe term "Superdimensional", which in-universe means things that can not be conceptualized as high-dimensional because it goes beyond what the dimensions are. So low outerversal in the temporary world alone.

[@Samurai_Capcut]

W first

[@Redn_edits]

Nuh-uh

[@Rhetorical_Ife]

@@Redn_editsYuh-huh

[@NuketownJay]

I can understand Super Goku being outerversal and Xeno Goku being boundless, but I can’t wrap my head around Cell Saga Goku being outerversal. Not saying I disagree, it’s very hard for me to understand that. Do you think Super Goku is stronger than GT Goku? And where do you currently scale Goku rn from Base to True UI?

[@MiddleTrack]

I think super is above gt, and I got current goku many layers into outer

[@NuketownJay]

@@MiddleTrack I agree with both!

[@Eesar11]

​@@NuketownJayactually yes both gt and super Goku can be scale to high outer in base cc Goku and xeno Goku to boundless, xeno Goku game to beyond boundless af Goku is also above boundless but behind xeno Goku game jf Goku is also above boundless but due to xeno Goku game hax he falls little below him gf Goku is just Goku and rl humans fusion so above reality itself 😊

[@CosmicFather]

Namek saga? Cell saga? Overkill! Kid goku negs the verse

[@OtchimU-pt7zh]

So nice arguments, but seems like its depends of scaling Ichigo, if he is uni, right Goku wins, But if he is multi and above, than no way, TUI goku is needed form to beat Ichigo. Adult Ichigo probably became more stronger and im not even sure that Goku can beat him. But if Ichigo is uni Goku solos the verse except Yhwach and SK , idk about Aizen , he is immortal

[@MiddleTrack]

The highest Ichigo can possibly go is battle of gods goku, since battle of gods goku using official guide books scales to outerversal via otherworld, since otherworld is stated to not have the concept of time and space (Chaozenshuu 4, And Super Exiting Guide), And is stated to transcend dimensionality (Daizenshuu 4), And is stated to be metaphysical to the highest level (Dragon Ball Z RPG Guide Book), Here's 2 videos explaining it, and showing the scans that I'm talking about: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnOXiXulht-ai9k kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmKsgGOLoZl0qac And also Yamcha in the moro arc scales above super saiyan goku from the same arc so he scales above battle of gods goku who is capable of destroying the macrocosm Shown in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWLZf6WijdWmoJosi=i8wBRhBurPznXMhP

[@Stevemultiversaltree]

Nah goku just needs ssjbk20x for that he literally soloed goku black in ssjb form And goku black is multiversal level he killed all Gods from other universes and soloed every mortal Goku just didnt use ssjbk20x because its 100million times multiplier and goku black can copy

[@OtchimU-pt7zh]

@@Stevemultiversaltree Multiplaying stats are insane, i can highball even Ichigo to omniversal, but with Goku its kinda does sense

[@BroTHerInNutSHelL]

​@OtchimU-pt7zh That's seems so much Exaggerating

[@thehungnguyen-ur1lo]

@@Stevemultiversaltree ssjblue in top arc is at least 20 quintillion times multipler With Beyond Multiversal++++

[@SunWukong139]

2:55 did this say they fought enemies that r beyond human comprehension? tf?

[@MiddleTrack]

Yeah bro

[@hungthe-xu4ce]

This Guy Think That Ant Can Beat Goku Like Compare Ichigo vs Superman,Thor Hulk DB Did was Combine All Version Of Superman,Even Yamcha>>>>>>CompBleachVerse☠

[@Stevemultiversaltree]

What a delusional guy imagine thinking a ssj cant beat ichigo who is literally just a solar level And goku ssj 1 did killed z broly which is a galaxy level threat bro even trolled those chickens looking kids destroying their planet with one ki Blast and goku killed him by one punch in the stomach btw if goku let his ki all out ssj his precense would kill everyone except people who are stronger than ssj ofc Edit:weak frieza kid version where his first form literally destroy the whole planet vegeta and bardock

[@Lethalgold]

Anyone would just say anyone will beat goku huh?

[@AverageTechEnjoyer]

Ichigo with the low outer meta gets negged by cell saga Goku? Damn, and here I thought he could beat buu saga Goku with that meta. Also I want to ask. If a character said that he/she has infinite power and the debunker countered this by saying it just mean he/she can use it infinitely without stopping, how should I counter this argument?

[@TheGRUsomeKiller]

I don’t even fucking understand that ass debunk

[@localidiot2777]

Princess trunks solos

[@benjaminkawanje2818]

This is ridiculously inaccurate Goku from what the first guy said is more accurate

[@MiddleTrack]

Why is that?

[@yeikelamores6085]

Everything he said in the first video about Goku is ridiculous as hell

[@FranceOnTop]

super dimension is such a ratty scale

[@MiddleTrack]

It really isn't, it's stated way too many times for it to be

[@FranceOnTop]

@@MiddleTrack litteraly stated once no? Spanish thing, and im not saying the material isnt consistent, but the way the statement is grinded to get a specific result. (Kinda like afterlife statement)

[@Luffy5th]

The problem is the feats in dbz. Dbz aren't that impressive compared to bleach and I mean up to cell saga. Dbz is to heavy on statements for there scaling. I Dbz cell saga is solar system still its the most Consistent way to scale them

[@hungthe-xu4ce]

Dbz are far much more impressive than bleach.Dbz cell saga when He destroying entire solar system is Way Above Solar Systems Levels .still its the most inconsistent feats the solar system in DB is described as a galactic nebulae and since there are around 700 stars in a typical Nebulae, he is lot more powerful than solar system busting) Who were giving big trouble to even mastered SS Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo ( fused with Nail ), survive the destructio disk that ignore durability They can individually solo Frieza arc (Namek). First form Frieza's feat on destroying planet Vegeta been calculated at Large Star level and planet Vegeta makes them have Two Suns Earth in Dragonball is twice the size of Bleach earth Not just that, Frieza casually one shot King Vegeta who destroy planets by waving his hand in base form Casually deflect Namek Vegeta's [ >> Saiyan Saga] star busting attack Not just that, Frieza survive the Spirit Bomb Goku gathers from multiple stars and planets like nothing Final form Frieza (100%) survive namek explosion which took out a visible chunk of a galaxy in seconds while cut in half and fatigued : kzbin.info/www/bejne/baWpoZqmmLFgkMUsi=7H3Qn8Dgau7Z3EW4 Future trunks lifted 10 TIMES the namek explosion casually from a healthy Frieza and SSJ Goku (

[@hungthe-xu4ce]

Lol You Act Like Only Tease DB Community.Even Bleach Are No Different on Statements For Scailing And Even The Others In Fictional Characters Still Show Some Statements Feats Too.The Feats In Scailing in Bleach Doesn't Like First Form Frieza's Feats

[@aboubacarprimalui-jk3gf]

Nah teen gohan do but not goku

[@noob19_]

W