Why Charles Leclerc Was Livid With Ferrari After The Las Vegas GP

[@pietervanbreda4360]

Ferrari created this.

[@Srga91]

I agree, their pit stop strategy was a nightmare today. At first they reacted very slowly to the massive graining on the mediums, even though they knew it wouldn't get any better based on previous experience. Then they left both cars out for far too long on the first set of hards (especially Sainz). Had Ferrari pitted both cars two laps earlier, then they would've probably finished in P2 &3.

[@parabelluminvicta8380]

@@Srga91 did we see 2 different races? because sainz was asked to box and refused to do that and then ask to pit strangely enough while the team asked to swap position.

[@Srga91]

@@parabelluminvicta8380 Really?! Seems like I missed that. Thanks for the info. I thought Sainz was the first one asking for the pit stop. Your version makes a lot more sense, because he was lapping slower than Leclerc at that time anyway and was only losing time staying out.

[@thurbine2411]

@@parabelluminvicta8380saint asked to box but Ferrari refused and then when he absolutley wanted to box they said yes and then no because they hadn’t done anything to get ready

[@askeladden450]

Ferrari completely created this situation. FIrst by not boxing Carlos earlier so he doesn't hold up Charles (and so both don't get undercut by lewis), and then by letting Carlos undercut Charles. They messed up both drivers.

[@andreabortolotto2761]

Ferrari need to bet on leclerc for the 2 position on the championship

[@gambi9303]

Ferarri putting Sainz 2nd is okay, but they're treating him almost like he's not even their driver. The fact that he basically had to beg to be boxed is wild..

[@gabrielhacker4251]

What are on about 😂 the one absolutely mistreated today was Leclerc and not Sainz 💀

[@Raininpain]

​@@gabrielhacker4251 tell me you didn't watch shit

[@arlobubble3748]

​@@gabrielhacker4251Carlos wanted to pit long before he did (his tyres and lap times were for sure suffering) and in the confusion Sainz bailed last minute cause the pit crew wasn't ready and it's a miracle he didn't get a penalty for a blatant violation crossing the pit entry line as he did. It was just the classic Ferrari shenanigans, just shooting themselves in the foot.

[@sem3113]

​@@arlobubble3748dont forget they also told sainz to swsp positions with leclerc instead of boxing

[@soham-hungry]

​@@gabrielhacker4251Are u high bruhhhhh

[@AverageArtz]

I don't know who's in the right or wrong. All I can say is that had I been in Carlos position, I would have done the same.

[@PetruStefan25]

He was doing same things in Toro Rosso against Max and Kvyat and against Hulkenberg at Renault when he was not in that position, this is Carlos. He was good only with Lando because he accepted to be his muppet

[@Palosjav1]

@@PetruStefan25 Leclerc did same thing to Vettel.. Leclerc is crybaby..

[@michaeltelfer3483]

Leclerc never went against team orders ​@@Palosjav1

[@liamscorgie8859]

@@Palosjav1No he didn’t. Charles thinks of the team. Do more research

[@Palosjav1]

@@liamscorgie8859 Bullshit.. His second race for Ferrari - Ferrari orders - "You cant pass Vettel".. Same thing in Monza 2023..

[@CorneK011]

I could see why carlos did this. He needs to get the most podiums/wins he gets the chance. Because from next year on he will he driving at the back.

[@Neil_Ghosh]

*He will be rightfully driving at the back.

[@arthstg]

yes but thats shown his actual professional attitude. i've realize that from past few races. surely RB, merc and aston weren't stupid enough to fall for his scheme.

[@CorneK011]

Agreed

[@ethanswimmer1287]

@@Neil_Ghosh yet he is faster than charles and beat him today despite the team screwing him over, yet you delusional charles fans are crying why your precious boy was not handed the position over. If it was the other way around, you would all be cheering charles on how competitive he is

[@Rainaman-]

​@@Neil_Ghoshhere comes the F1 brainrot

[@akhila2521]

To be fair to Carlos, Ferrari didn't listen to him when he asked to pit for 2 laps effectively losing P2 according to the projection So why should he listen to them when they ask him not to overtake Charles? Justified imo

[@BwoahKimi-g3l]

"You messed me up so ill be an asshole and make my teammate lose time hahaahahahaaa"

[@ludagaz]

@@akhila2521 why would Leclerc listen as he did in Mexic?

[@idhonept8648]

​@@BwoahKimi-g3lferrari strategy makes both of them lose time, ferrari said to trade positions and lewis went to the pits...

[@Rainaman-]

Ferrari wanted to trade Carlos P2 for Leclercs P3. Carlos had the right to flip that team order because it wouldn't matter teams point wise at that point of the race. It was very clear both Carlos and Leclerc had similar pace so giving team orders was useless on Leclercs warm up lap.

[@chiyolate]

Because he works for Ferrari? I mean try to say no to your boss (over and over again) and what will you get? you'll get fired and need to find a job elsewhere.

[@ishtarinanna4478]

Sainz realised early on that he needs to be his own strategist, while Charles is still depending on Ferrari

[@manas4288]

Yeah and he is still slower than Charles .

[@brianlespoir6287]

I'm a Ferrari fan, but I don't like the team, they make a big mess of it and I don't like Leclerc and Hamilton, I do like Sainz better, but he is leaving the team.

[@markmall7142]

​@@manas4288Doesn't seem to show much .

[@manas4288]

@@markmall7142 wanna know what your Carlos did in Brazil Austin Monaco Italy and soooo many other tracks ? Well it’s a long list of slow races . Maybe just look at the drivers championship

[@dateymintah9585]

Best answer

[@Ferrarichad]

As just a Ferrari fan, maybe leaning slightly towards Carlos, I think he was right to overtake because he was faster at that point with warm tires. The overtake didn't really hinder either, and giving Charles the DRS actually helped them both into P3,P4. Also, Carlos had the right to be angry and not listen to the team, because I'm pretty sure Croft said if if Sainz pitted when he wanted, simulation predicted him to be P2(though I and Brundle doubted it)

[@shiro3598]

Charles was fast in that 3rd stin. Carlos when he overtooked Max, he gave Max some DRS for 3 or 4 laps straight which hindered Charles.

[@greatBLT]

Brundle is the one who said he didn't believe the simulation since Carlos was more than 9 seconds behind Lewis when it popped up. Since he's the former racer of the pair, he tends to make his own calls, often based on his own experiences, and question these things more than Croft, who usually takes these projections at face value.

[@Ferrarichad]

@@greatBLT my bad, i just remember hearing the sim thing. Thx

[@seanchesteralexisexamen5964]

⁠@@shiro3598real he's trading fastest lap with Lewis, until Sainz tried to keep him in the drs zone with Max.

[@BuuGz86]

the f are you on about. Lec was faster on Race pace. Sainz overtaking max and then giving Max DRS screwed Lec. because he had to use tires more. F Sainz, i actually liked him when he Joined but he has thrown Lec under the buss a couple of times, so F him im happy he is going to Williams.

[@mayeezy254]

After that pit stop I understand Sainz

[@Cpt.Hodges]

I feel like this is very Simple: Charles cooked his tyres in the first stint, Carlos was allowed to pass, but tbh it doesnt matter as he would've over taken Charles when he pitted and by letting him pass neither of them lose time by defending or attacking for no reason. Later on Carlos wanted to pit and had been asking to pit for 2~3 laps but the team denied it for some reason, the team then asked him to let charles past despite the danger of Lewis, and the fact that he wanted to pit, eventually he lets the pass happen, then the Stupid pit scenario took place. (no idea how there was no penalty) Carlos now has warm tyres and a potential for a 5s penalty, so when Charles comes out of the pit, why would he stay behind Charles? Charles still needs a lap to warm up the tyres and Carlos might have a penalty, the team and him had more to lose if they made him stay behind so it makes more sense to let him bomb it down the road and catch max. Carlos Overtakes max, I think expecting him to get past max and pull a 1s gap quickly without comprising his own tyres is very very optimistic, besides both Ferraris had better tyres than max at this point so they were both eventually going to get past him. The entire situation would have been avoided if they had boxed Carlos when he had asked, in fact he could've been close to 2nd according to the simulation (debatable). At the end of the day this was probably close to one of the best outcomes for Ferrari so the team was not effected in the title fight. This is my objective view on this.

[@flak3720]

To answer your unasked question I believe that Sainz didn’t get penalised because the rule basically specifies that the line is counted as ‘there’ for when someone goes over the line to enter the pits and also it counts when the driver also exits the end of the pit lane. However I don’t believe there is any real ruling for when a driver bails out of a pit entry and crossing the line. Don’t quote me that is just what I understand from the current FIA rules.

[@jeffrey-825]

The key was indeed piting Carlos as Charles and Lewis were on his tail. Degradation being so high and fresh tyres giving so much time in the outlap already, is a clear decision. The ripple effect came in effect and this affected both drivers. Ferrari were napping today. Would it have affected the result? Likely not. But it's better to be in contention for a 2-3 and ending up 3-4, than having to settle for 3-4.

[@tilio9380]

​@@jeffrey-825This. Ferrari took too long to decide when to pit Carlos. They really should have just called him into the pit instead of telling him to let Leclerc by. But I can also understand from Ferrari's POV: what if the third stint would be too long still for those hards? But anyways, they could have at least avoided that pit lane fiasco.

[@Rainaman-]

There was no penalty because if you look at stop frame Sainz crossed the dotted line with both wheels and not the main line. A partial crossing of the line is allowed, however if he had all 4 wheels behind the line it would had been slam dunk penalty. It's the right call not to get penalty

[@advertizment]

Imo sainz has long been getting fucked by Ferrari pitwall to the point where he is the one making strategy calls and telling Ferrari to listen. Cuz they aint gonna get up their asses and actually WORK on a strat for carlos. They treat him so shit and expect him to follow every order. He is also not gonna be contesting for the podium for the forseeable future after he leaves ferrari. So to fight for every podium should be his right. Them refusing to box him is prolly the nail in the coffin for carlos and ferrari's relationship. I don't see ferrari giving carlos proper strategy in the next 2 races nor the respect he deserves.

[@SuperMarkizas]

I was pissed when Vasseur barely remembered to applaud when Sainz walked out on the podium.

[@kalypso4755]

Someone who doesnt obeys the strategy that they were already discussing before the race deserves no applause. Ferrari many times sacrificed leclercs races for his 4 victories. He needs to be a teamplayer too when leclerc needs him. Cuz leclerc obeys the strategy when he is aware that it might help the team. Carlos instead just thinks about himself, which is kinda egoistical considering they arent battling for the indivual title but the constructors. Ferrari today prob lost a second place due to Carlos playing DRS games with Verstappen to harm Leclerc. Carlos is a good second driver with an ego of a world champion. There is a reason, nobody wanted him when Ferrari decided to sign Lewis. Also lets not forget his family and his connections to santander which resulted in Leclerc losing the title in 2022.

[@yung_lenny]

​@@kalypso4755 How did his family & Santander connection lead to Leclerc losing 22?

[@veryspyzzy6803]

@kalypso4755 There was a like 5 laps left when Carlos was playing the DRS game. That was not enough time for 2nd place. What was enough for 2nd place was if they pitted Carlos 2 laps earlier. Look at the stimulations that's just facts the team disrespected him he even begged to pit 2 laps earlier stop with this bs😭

[@anshumandas2200]

​@@kalypso4755 man how dumb are you to even say that sainz is egotistical huh?....and the claims that you have made that the 4 victories were gifted to him because of sabotaging leclerc by the ferrari...really...are you that blind?..he earned those 4 victories with his drive...i would highly suggest that you re watch the whole race where he got his 4 victories instead of just yapping...atleast respect the honest efforts of a driver...moreover in this race if ferrari would have pitted carlos 2 laps earlier then he would be comfortably standing at p2..despite repeated requests by carlos...he was denied..so it all comes down to the ferrari strategists. Also again are you that blind and dumb to not know about the driver market that sainz was dealing with...alpine the past few seasons has being doing badly including this season, audi has a lot of uncertainty since it will take time to establish themselves, mercedes was only providing 2 year contract as they had already set their eyes on kimi in the future, finally he was left with williams where he was assured by vowels of the future projects and long term contract...coming on to RB they still weren't sure of check since he brings the sponsors, mclaren already had a great pair of drivers. So you telling that nobody wanted him just shows your ignorance and hatred towards him. So stop yapping and back your words with facts and reasoning.

[@markmall7142]

Vasseur is sly so i wouldn't trust him.I think his behaviour is expected

[@thpark8189]

I didn’t notice Leclerc being ‘nice’ at the start. He was faster than Sainz and overtook him. But then Sainz was faster. Leclerc is being a bit ridiculous.

[@yourboysgottem202]

Many people in here don’t realize that this is something that was building up for years. It wasn’t Leclerc randomly getting angry after the race.

[@jonathanokeefe9783]

Ferrari undeservedly canned Sainz at the beginning of the season. Leclerc isn't in the running for the Driver's championship any longer, so why on Earth should Carlos be bothered about team orders in a situation where it won't harm their Constructor's challenge?

[@luckymo_on]

The kind of thinking that made sure carlos never got a top team seat if u ask me

[@SuperSoc27]

Yeah, when team mates operate like this comment then the entire team suffers.

[@sourensoukatsui]

Undeserved? Ask yourself why no top team even considered Carlos in the first place. Plus, it is the 7-time world champion replacing him.

[@chipsawdust5816]

Because Ferrari are still paying him. With Ferrari, it's not about the drivers. It's always been about the team. Even with Schumi, and he knew it.

[@SBP21212]

Because Carlos is still a part of Ferrari team. Charles always followed the team orders so he was expecting the same thing for Carlos. In Mexico Charles helped him to win the race by not pushing him for the top spot and he stayed behind, eventually he lost his place to Lando.

[@Gigi-zr6hp]

In here before the "Sainz got fired already what does he have to lose for not listening" vs the "Sainz has proven to not be a team player from the very start and deserves to be demoted to Williams" crowd

[@FFlatCom]

Well… I don’t get this discussion. Ferrari got Lewis. Lewis was available. They sacked Sainz. Both drivers tried their best for the WCC this race. End of story. Everything else is just internet kiddies having no life.

[@wildwilco]

team 1 (sainz got fired) is the realistic and pragmatic team. team 2 (sainz has proven not to be a teamplayer), he doesnt have to be anymore? he WAS a teamplayer. he was supposed to be 2nd driver to the inferior leclerc. and it didnt work out. they fired sainz and now he has no obligation anymore. he just wants to do the best race he can while hes still in a ferrari.

[@wildwilco]

@@FFlatCom ferrari fired the wrong driver. they kept the inferior inconsistent pretty boy, over the talented quick and consistent sainz.

[@gabrielhacker4251]

@@wildwilco😂💀

[@Gigi-zr6hp]

@@FFlatCom The internet kiddies are mad because of what Charles said after the race

[@live4life767]

I’ve been a Ferrari car fan since I was a little kid living in Italy. I’ve always loved their cars, their F1 team & other Ferrari racing leagues. I’m a fan of Charles & Carlos. I truly believe Ferrari made a big mistake letting Carlos go. I believe next year Charles will be screwed over bc Ferrari is going to make him #2 driver. There was good harmony between Carlos & Charles & that benefitted the team. I believe next year there will be a very toxic environment between drivers & that is going to affect everyone in the team in a negative way & Ferrari will fade away from being competitive. I’m an American living in the USA & I haven’t watched any professional sports for many years bc the players are making +$100 million which makes me sick to my stomach. Paying a driver $400 million to race a car around absolutely makes me want to throw up.

[@mo215300]

charles will not accept being 2nd driver he will force ferrari through his on track and off track performances

[@KKSky369]

Hamilton and Leclerc together will be an entertainment show. Both will be at loggerheads soon.

[@OLDGOLDSTEFF]

You were right about Lando predictions, well done

[@F1Unchained]

Only one LOL

[@OLDGOLDSTEFF]

@@F1Unchained That was the hardest prediction of the race, you got my respect

[@jefflight8188]

Hehe, next week he'll be decimating the competition though

[@ChuyR.]

@@jefflight8188Lando? Nah he is done

[@thokoZ]

I’m not a Ferrari fan but from outside I can see it from sainz point of view, I remember reading all of Carlos messages literally begging Ferrari to box. Charles frustration is also valid because it’s not a one off.

[@timothykhoo3850]

Thank you yet again for being objective with content as usual. Leclerc’s outburst is in the heat of the moment and emotional and with his large fanbase I don’t think it paints a fair picture of Sainz. To me it’s all racing, and instructions can change lap to lap corner to corner. As you pointed out Sainz had more pace so it’s natural he would try to overtake. Hard tyres are also difficult to warm up which even Leclerc acknowledged, so why should Sainz sacrifice pace for no reason just to wait for Leclerc to warm up his fresh hards? I’d say the cold weather makes it even harder still to warm them up. At the end of the day Leclerc is very likeable and I get why a lot of people root for him, but just because Sainz or any other other driver takes control of a situation doesn’t make the other driver a ‘bad guy’ and neither does it ‘screw you over because you’re a nice guy’. It’s not like the move jeopardised anything. So yea I think Leclerc could be a bit more reserved with his comments especially since his fanbase is quite vocal. He’s a great driver and if he can trust his instincts and read races better the way Sainz does I’ve no doubt he’ll be an even better driver still.

[@Rainaman-]

That nice guy rant sounded like an incel cry from Leclerc today

[@TMWSTW-hy5ph]

@@Rainaman- Chuck Lecuck

[@luckymo_on]

Im sorry but charles rarely ever complains on the radio Why is everyone hating on him for doing smth everyone does?? Hes not a robot....

[@egj1975]

Max is champ, Merc was fast in cold weather, Ferrari mess up, The Hulk delivers, Lewis drives like a champ when car is good, Williams mechanics are tired and Checo... where is Checo. Just a normal weekend in F1 🙂

[@petepeterson1240]

Hulk got Haas back to p6, that was amazing

[@boyzinpain6814]

Carlos always listened to the team order but this time he was right to overtake Charles. He was quicker and wanted to go on the podium as simple as that. Who cares about team order. Carlo gave us a nice race to watch. Well done Carlos

[@mandisgod1099]

"Always listened to team order" mention one time where he listened to a team order which was beneficial to Leclerc or Ferrari, i'll wait. He also was not quicker at all. He ruined his tyres on the second stint and complained on the radio, so they had to pit him early. This caused him to ruin his tyres again on the 3rd stint, that's why Leclerc was catching up fast with fresher tyres, but as soon as he was about to pass him, he overtakes Max and in the telemetry data you can see he lifted and braked in certain areas to give Max the DRS to ruin Leclerc's tyres. When Leclerc overtook Max he stopped doing that. This is not forgetting that he was not supposed to overtake Charles at all to follow the team's agreements and strategies. He almost cost the team more points than he already has, like crashing in Baku, Canada, Singapore and 2x in Brazil wasn't bad enough.

[@Snazzy16]

Drake betting 250,000 jinxed Charles 😭

[@F1Unchained]

The curse

[@fastlightning9287]

Hate that man, he betted on him during spanish gp in 2022 too if i remember correctly

[@trevAce350]

Zhou almost getting points in that sauber deserves a shout out

[@ralphe5842]

Well if this was a championship issue then it’s Carlos job to help but it’s not and the team points didn’t change

[@fist003]

i dont understand what Ferrari promised to Charles. They should just let them race and let the faster car be ahead. Doesn't matter who's ahead for the WCC

[@luckymo_on]

Bruh they just didnt want to waste charles new tyres fighting Carlos

[@bestwifman]

@@luckymo_onright, and I’m not taking one drivers side in the grand problem here, but it makes sense for Carlos to just go ahead if he’s already there when Charles comes out rather than slowing down to stay behind bc Charles needs to warm up his tires. Just like it made sense for Carlos to get out of the way so Charles could charge on with Lewis behind him and he could pit earlier on in the race,though I would still say the nature of that swap was badly planned by Ferrari bc it almost let Lewis through as well. This ultimate feels like Ferrari’s blunder and I think after the race when both Charles and Carlos have all the info they will realize as such. Tho I understand what Charles means about respecting orders as your job and not just following your own strategy

[@luckymo_on]

@@bestwifman yeah it was Ferrari s fault for that disaster class but carlos did disobey orders and thats whatever he can do what he wants he's gone in two races But then ppl getting mad for charles saying he s gonna do the same is kinda hypocritical

[@ryche.rising]

It's not the case that LeClerq is too nice, I'm sorry. The case is that he lacks the pilot talent required. Don't get me wrong-he is fast, and he can be the fastest on track, but to be a champion, a pilot has to tick several boxes, and he doesn't do it on several ones. Edit: I have also to say that the life of LeClerq is substantially fu****up now that his "wingman" will be LH.

[@KKSky369]

Agree 💯

[@mackamotorsport2593]

It's crazy Charles even expected Sainz to obey the team after they have given him the boot.

[@danielsammut1001]

It's crazier that you have signed in your contract every year that should the team ask an order out of you, you obey, and one driver does that and the other never does so. Even crazier a guy complains he is 'getting the boot' when he was the one who denied the contract extension because he wanted the same contract as his teammate, then complains that they opted for a driver who will bring them more money than Carlos ever would have in a 100 years.

[@AlexFuerteventura]

​@@danielsammut1001your post is childish

[@danielsammut1001]

@@AlexFuerteventura How so? I've only ever seen arrogant children disobey their obligations, so maybe it's Sainz who is childish lol.

[@gracechadi]

I love both boys. My stand has always been if you can fight, fight. If one driver is in a better position to win or get a better position, he should go for it - regardless of team orders. So I stand with Carlos.

[@glcsander]

Then what's the point of the team paying for a driver who doesn't listen to team orders? There is always a place for everything redbull did not sign perez to fight max.

[@gracechadi]

@glcsander My understanding is drivers are mainly paid to maximize results. They're also being paid for other promotional reasons. If a team makes stupid decisions, the driver is under no obligation (for lack of a better word) to follow through with those orders.

[@glcsander]

@gracechadi I think it's unfair cause Charles played the team game for Vetel even when he was faster, if Sainz is already out why not prioritise Leckerc, Mercedes did it for Russel they couldn't have given less of shit to Hamilton.

[@gracechadi]

@@glcsander Charles knows better. And it's time he acts better. Mexico was Charles' race to win. He should have passed Carlos when he could. Carlos complained and Charles backed down. For what? Team orders. And that's my point. Charles has been with Ferrari longer than Carlos. My view is Carlos is better at saying no to nonsensical orders/strategy compared to Charles. It's time Charles does that too, as often as required, instead of following stupid orders.

[@luckymo_on]

​@@gracechadiisnt this exactly what charles eas saying on his radio? 😭

[@LifelongMusicJunkie]

Type A individuals will always have these blow ups because each are so competitive, but I cannot blame Sainz for what he did because he would have to ride the brakes for a couple laps as LeClerc got back up to speed. Hey Charles, you think Lewis will ride the brakes next year if he's faster? I sure hope not!

[@soham-hungry]

Exactly what charles doesn't understand and if he continues this attitude man Lewis is gonna cook him so hard next year(not in the qualifying but surely in the race).

[@zulkarnaen6629]

Dont blame charles , blame the team . The team obviously show less interest in Sainz. He is thinking 3 step ahead (to get most point) for the team.. even when they have all the data still blind to execute the plan.. Rubbish. They dont know how to max the point. Always priotize 1 driver. Wait next year when lewis come. The same thing will happen even if they have rocket . I love ferrari but the team order always fuck up.

[@slicklace]

Ferrari should not have got involved and just let them race! This is why Mercedes let their drivers race and decide it on track. By making team orders they naturally favoured one driver over another. Not surprised Sainz said F no!

[@ludagaz]

Dude, theres 2 drivers and one team. The idea is the drivers race for the team.

[@jaideep2378]

Bro they made sainz undercut leclerc for no reason since leclerc had fresh tyres after the pit stop and sainz overtook. Then there was no point in even extending the stint then. If it was equal conditions of course go for it. This is same case as Hungary for McLaren but not for the win

[@slicklace]

@@ludagaz so why is there a drivers championship then if that was the only reason?. Drivers are the most selfish people you’ll ever meet. They think of themselves first before the team and if you put yourself in Sainz position - what team? He’s leaving Ferrari why should he care. My point is they need to let them race and as long as they don’t crash which they shouldn’t if they race fairly then the team wins either way. The same way Mercedes does it with Lewis and George let them race.

[@slicklace]

@@jaideep2378 they also messed up Sainz pit stop but you’ve forgotten that. And Charles destroyed his tyres trying to overtake Russell and Sainz was driving better. So there’s nothing to say really other than Ferrari should’ve let them race after the pit stops and let the better man get ahead on track and not ask any of the drivers to drive a certain way so as not to overtake another.

[@littlereddress6621]

@@slicklace charles did not destroy his tires, those were not working on almost no one that's why everyone pitted so early. mercedes had good pace on that mediums and they still called them awful.

[@Srga91]

I don't blame Carlos for overtaking Charles, after all it was for the podium. However, what I don't understand is him backing his teammate into Hamilton and refusing to yield, even though he was a lot slower towards the end of his 2nd stint. Ferrari should've boxed Sainz at least two laps earlier and then they would've probably finished with both cars on the podium, as Hamilton didn't have the straightline speed to overtake the Ferraris on track. Ferrari likely threw the constructors' championship away with this strategic blunder.

[@starkiller5115]

@@Srga91 I agree 100 percent but I still have hope .

[@frankhuurman3955]

All I took away from the last half of the season is that Max is probably not going to grab a 5th WDC if the car is about the same, Ferrari looks to be the one to beat next year. Merc is still a wildcard on a lot of tracks.

[@sergioferrero46]

Red Bull is significantly behind both McLaren (Mercedes this time) and Ferrari, but as long as RBR can provide Max with a car similar (not necessarily faster) than the rest, good luck everyone else

[@junsengjs]

RB not winning WCC this season does mean they get more wind tunnel time and budget for car development, don't count them out yet.

[@sergioferrero46]

@junsengjs their budget will literally be the same than that of other teams because of budget cap, while their bonus will be smaller due to a worse WCC position

[@jerrinjos3593]

"why should he listen to Ferrari ? he was dropped for a another driver." are you rot in the head, he is still contracted to the team till the season end and he should listen to the team because it's called professionalism.

[@CarlosNunez6673]

I disagree with you. I understand that Sainz doesn't care because he's being replaced by Hamilton next year, BUT, and this is a big but, right now his salary is being paid by Ferrari, and up until that's no longer the case he should do what his employers tell him. Very selfish.

[@tradefortutara9608]

Sainz drives better, Leclerc destroys his tires, Sainz deserves the podium. Next year will be fireworks between Leclerc & Hamilton if the same situation arises. "Maybe try in English!"

[@danielnyangweso1759]

I don't know why this is an issue... Sainz was the faster driver. He out qualified Leclerc the entire weekend. Had he been boxed early, he would have been 2nd on the road. They fucked over his weekend. There's no argument here. The least Carlos deserved was to be on that podium. This is the double standards that I knew would happen in formula 1. When Oscar is faster than Lando, that is so fair and Lando should have been faster. Where are those same mouths when Leclerc is slower than Carlos. Absolutely fucking ridiculous

[@IansUToob57]

Professionalism to me personally means I do my job for the people who are paying me millions to do, regardless of "making a point" that is meaningless. He's already signed at Williams so he doesn't have to "show off." Nothing to prove, except "I'm a team player?"

[@SBP21212]

I think Charles was a better driver during the race.. he started well in the first lap, jump up to 2nd spot in first lap and almost overtook Russel in the starting few laps.. after that he did not allowed Lewis to takeover in the middle part of the race was phenomenal. But the team screwed both drivers race by delaying the pit stop allowing lewis to undercut bot the drivers. Charles should have been ahead of the carlos after the second pit stop. He had a better chance for challenging Lewis for the 2nd spot.

[@chrismurphy6519]

I feel like Charles was quicker besides when the mediums went off. cant blame sainz for going against the team and overtaking given his situation. But if he really was purposely giving max drs, that annoys me

[@AJNunez-qr5dz]

I'm a Ferrari fan, but Sainz is my fav pilot. Ferrari shouldn't try to flex on Sainz. They made their choice clear since Feb. He has 2 races left, and I don't think he would return to them even if they offered him the seat next to Lewis. He's going to score close to Leclerc next season in that Williams, and it will be glorious to see the constructor come back to the mid-front of the pack. I hope!

[@PurpleSkies_]

The most genZ comment ever

[@AJNunez-qr5dz]

@PurpleSkies_ im 39, but I'm sure you feel validated after posting.

[@gggg-fr5qp]

Thank you for explaining the Sainz and LeClerc story in enough detail so we can understand why each of them was annoyed

[@FrancisFjordCupola]

I think the first stint was good, second was okay, the last was kinda boring and done with. Hamilton played his best Perez to Russell's best Verstappen. At the start Sainz helped Leclerc get into position two. He left so much room that even Norris could have made a move without causing damage or driving others off the track. Charles has had very favorable "circumstances" compared to Sainz. It's gonna be toxic next year at Ferrari with two drivers wanting to be cuddled. Going to have two people pretending to be nice and making sure behind the scenes the other gets backstabbed.

[@ricksanchez7359]

Carlos could have been second had ferrari pitted when he wanted to, and further he even took charles with him with drs to chase down max

[@fintonmainz7845]

I had hoped that Ferrari were over this nonsense. What's going to happen next year when both drivers believe they have a "right" to be number 1. Top racing drivers are not humble individuals.

[@Rainaman-]

Can't wait fro Delulu fans mash with Leclercs 12yo twitch watching fanbase. Need to stock up on popcorn already.

[@user-hm5nn9pk8n]

Status will give Lewis the no 1 driver title and he will be even less leniend to Charles.

[@fintonmainz7845]

@@user-hm5nn9pk8n That's one scenario. Another is that Charles will be faster and Lewis claims he is being given second class material.

[@NightElveee]

@@user-hm5nn9pk8n are you acting as if Vettel and Leclerc didn't happen already? They gave Vettel number 1 status until he proved he couldn't perform, two great drivers will always be a headache, but the faster driver will always get preference in one way or another.

[@user-hm5nn9pk8n]

@@NightElveee Today Sainz was the cleverer driver and should have been better supported by the team. Next year Ferrari have to favour Hamilton in 50/50 situations because of his much bigger marketing value.

[@BearlyBearrr]

What are they gonna do? Fire him? 😭😭😭😭😭

[@Neil_Ghosh]

Nah, they kicked him out of the team already and no other team wanted uncle Crylos which is why he had to settle for a back marker team like Williams.

[@BearlyBearrr]

@@Neil_Ghosh Williams is atleast a serious team under Vowles lol

[@reese8097]

​@@BearlyBearrr true top contender for the top 15 position

[@Rainaman-]

​@@Neil_Ghoshdamn dude, you cry harder than Carlos

[@PG-20]

​@@Neil_Ghosh Charles is the one doing the crying, he wanted a gifted podium.

[@bryanweston7737]

...it's more like Charles F'd himself - tried a couple of low probability overtakes on George early - cooked his tires, fell back. Carlos told the Ferrari pits at least 2 times he needed to pit - tires gone - but they didn't listen - then he has to pull a bizarre move as he started to go for the pits, then cut back to the track because the Ferrari pits weren't ready yet for him!?! For a moment - I thought Binotto was running the Ferrari team again - back to all their strategic screw-ups! As far as Charles goes - Sainz had already let him by once - on team orders - so when he comes out on cold tires and Carlos is at full chat on warm tires, what's he supposed to do - slow down for Charles!?! Ridiculous!! Sainz was faster than Charles, Sainz drove a better race than Charles - and Sainz would have been better yet if Ferrari had listened to him about pit stops, and had their act together! Charles is a little whiner - quit relying on "Daddy" (Fred Vasseur) to hold your hand and favor you over Sainz - drive your own race Charles, and quit being a whining whimp about it!! As for Fred Vasseur - quit treating Sainz like a step child - get your team in order and support him equally in these last 2 race weekends! You need all the points you can get to go after the Manufacturers Championship!!

[@tydli]

THIS

[@4Leka]

If Ferrari had let Sainz box when he wanted to, Leclerc would have never gotten past him.

[@gabrielhacker4251]

Are all Sainz fans this delusional? 💀

[@Comment-h9t]

@@gabrielhacker4251the truth

[@thephoenixfromtheashes]

​@@gabrielhacker4251 all F1 fans are delusional, some might be more than others, but ultimately we all are

[@PetruStefan25]

If Ferrari would've pitted Sainz when he wanted to, he would've probably had no tyres for the end of the race and would've finish behind Max probably

[@4Leka]

@gabrielhacker4251 He was ahead of Leclerc when he wanted to pit. By the time Leclerc pitted his tires would have been up to speed, like Hamilton's. The only reason Leclerc got ahead was because Ferrari kept Sainz out against his wishes - and then botched the pit stop, costing him several seconds.

[@zulkarnaen6629]

Charles forget "if you listening too well on team order (ferrari only)" most time you are not going to win. Sometime u need to think and plan it urselves. The data dont have any unpredictable things , which is driver have on a real race time

[@querty292]

Both drivers are right. Ferrari is wrong

[@fatmangoboom7722]

Carlos had the right to pass Charles! It BS this you need to give me the position! I could see if he is in the hunt for the driver championship but they are not ! Wonder how many time Carlos was told to keep Charles in front of him? Carlos has been booted from Ferrari because Charles does not like him! The messed up thing is that he thinks Lewis is going to give him top spot all the time!

[@Rellz2401]

For such a simple layout the racing on this track has been pretty good and as a lewis fan I'm rewlly glad he got the podium but I'm thinking back to those mistakes and what could've been.

[@Rainaman-]

It's because it's not designed by the guy who can't design a propper track.

[@BasicBodThor]

Shades of "Stay out Stay out!!!" "Hey ITS TOO F'N LATE!!"

[@ehsnils]

For all that counts Sainz and Leclerc aren't having any bad fighting between them - they keep it clean on the track and at this stage Leclerc has a pretty good position in the points while Sainz has an opportunity to gain a position in the drivers standing. So overall it was nice to see them race - keep it clean and the faster one for the day comes out on top. It's unfortunate that Sainz goes to Williams, he's good enough for a better team. But it is what it is and I hope he can lift Williams next season.

[@RobThompson-y9s]

Respect ? They fired Carlos at the beginning of the year and he’s been professional all year. Good for Carlos

[@kobaye2111]

Was he getting fired ? I mean his contract was ending this year. Ferrari just found a replacement before the end of the season. There is way to do it, I agree but it's not getting fired. Ferrari didn't cut short his contract to get Lewis. His contract was ending

[@PetruStefan25]

No, this is not professionalism to ruin your teammate's run because you are afraid of him and you keep another driver in DRS zone just to help him to not get overtaken by your teammate.

[@Rainaman-]

​@@PetruStefan25i doubt he was intentionally keeping Max within 1s. He had depleted his battery on overtake and scorched his tires in catching Max and driving in dirty air. Plus Max had DRS so breaking that 1s is not easy if you don't have tire advantage.

[@FR-099]

​@@kobaye2111before the beginning, before any negotiation with Carlos, without even telling him. In any industry that's a firing without cause

[@kobaye2111]

@FR-099 That's not any industry tho. It's like saying in NBA that "Oh X player is fired because the team didn't negotiate his contract with him before signing another player even tho they didn't want to sign him again". They didn't do it in a good way sure but they don't have to negotiate with Carlos if they can't have Lewis and Carlos at the same time. You won't negotiate someone contract if you have no intention to resign him anyway. And if I remember, it leaked. Cuz Lewis didn't have the time to talk to Toto about it that he went public already

[@Formeou]

Its always lewis would have had pole if he didnt make a mistake, he would have won the race if he qualified better.... but he didnt... again

[@donniedollarhidejr.2766]

Ferrari mistreating their exiting drivers? No way

[@57jnahas]

Seb come to mind?

[@jasonduncan2500]

Glad to "see" you doing your thing in person. I have no time for lazy F1 content creators that use AI for all their videos. Much respect to you for being old school and for being such, I am liking this video and subscribing to your F1 Channel.

[@F1Unchained]

❤️❤️

[@randomguyontheinterweb]

Something with the tires has to change. The fact they can't even battle without destroying their tires in a lap or two forces boring races on too many tracks

[@hittrewweuy7595]

Such an amazing race , so many overtakes . Carlos deserves third 100% and it was good for him to fight for it in a team that is bias towards Charles

[@touayaaj84]

Neither Carlos or Sainz are fighting for championship. Let Sainz fight Leclerc to prove a point wether Ferrari made the right decision to boot Sainz.

[@mauricemcloughlin8261]

Because it means the world. Thanks buddy

[@ExodiaNecross2]

Charles will get a fine from FIA for swearing again.

[@loopa_poopa]

Poor factchecking or indifference to the broadcast. There was clearly a visible damage of Gasly’s car(lap18 of broadcast).

[@justronny20]

4:30 Bro, Lewis didn't overtake Leclerc. Leclerc kept him behind for several laps and was matching his pace, which is why they caught up to Carlos. At one point, Leclerc was in Carlos' DRS and he had managed to drop Lewis from getting DRS. That's when Charles was told Carlos would let him by into turn 17. But Carlos didn't. Then he was told Carlos would let him by into turn 5 which Carlos didn't and Lewis ended up getting back into DRS. This was very shitty behavior from Carlos. I don't know why people try to sanitize his behavior whenever he does these things. Edit: Added a timestamp for context. Also, at that point, Carlos was the only one whose tyres were falling off. Leclerc was matching Lewis' pace. And they were 5-7 tenths quicker than Sainz.

[@soham-hungry]

Bro do you think it is easy for Sainz to let by lec when Lewis is literally on his tail risking to lose two positions at the same time.

[@mennaselim1670]

Exactly i have no idea how people are still finding a way to defend sainz, unbelievable

[@soham-hungry]

@@mennaselim1670 because they aren't a lec fanboy simple as that

[@justronny20]

@@soham-hungry you're talking about the 2nd lap after he was supposed to let Leclerc by. The first time by, Lewis didn't have DRS so there's no way he was going to lose 2 positions.

[@justronny20]

@@mennaselim1670 It's crazy. I'm just glad we have to tolerate this for 2 more races. Then they can go with him and defend his shitty behavior at Williams.

[@antonni81]

Why any driver would want to be on a podium based on their team mate letting them pass is beyond me, I’d hate to know I’m in a position because someone stepped down for me. Get rid of team orders over the radio, I’d rather they penalise it to be honest.

[@matthewziegler3387]

We are in a chicken vs the egg issue right now. I can't decide if this is why Ferrari is dumping Sainz, disregard for orders, or whether because he's dropped he's not listening anymore

[@Rainaman-]

He was disregarded twice. He took an easy pass without compromising the outlap for Charles, so stop moaning. Also a needless swap prior means Carlos would be inverted back in front of Charles (lets be real Charles wouldn't let Carlos swap back for podium)

[@nmdesignco]

Which are essentially the same things...

[@KKSky369]

​@@Rainaman-Absolutely!! Ferrari should not try to flex on Sainz

[@Larph13]

charles had his chance, he tried to take on russel head on but the track was too unfriendly with the tyres. Either he takes pole early and build gap or play the cutting game (pit strats), He gambled on racing george which he almost won against but had to back out and lost his grip.

[@knarfxd4071]

"A pretty good race for Perez" mate, what are you smoking? Maybe for his standards, but not for anyone else.

[@wtbanyname]

Yawn... it really doesn't matter. The stats have proven time and again Leclerc is better. That's why he's staying at Ferrari and Carlos will be driving a WIlliams next season. To each their own.

[@leilegion]

Charles's race engineer screwed up by letting him think Carlos was told to not overtake him. When in reality the right message was not to pressure him. Carlos did what he was asked. He overtook Charles so easily and stayed out of his DRS in just a few tenths of a second. It only took 5 corners, so there's not a single pressure towards Charles. Charles became livid because he thought he was getting a FREE PASS to P3.

[@lukekeating9693]

Anyone catch what happened with Charles early when he dropped off Russell so much… just tyres ? Didn’t hear anything else over the radio

[@jefflight8188]

Yeah his tires had dropped off too much from following George

[@lukekeating9693]

@@jefflight8188 that was quick. Thanks

[@stratcat3216]

Learn from champions. They are not 'nice' on track. They are ruthless.

[@herewegoagain7403]

sainz was faster. Leclerc burned up his tires early racing George. Idk why he is crying about Ferrari strat? Sainz should be complaining!! he would've been P2 if he pitted 2 laps earlier but Ferrari refused for no reason.

[@purpledahlia1969]

Did anyone else hear Charles' Q3 radio? He was having a bit of a sweary rant on that before the race even started. So he was clearly upset about something from the get go. More to this than meets the eye.

[@safaridice]

It's a bit of a faff. Leclerc lashing out is understandable, Sainz jumping Leclerc is also understandable. Sainz aborted a pitstop crossing over the line to pit entry. What Sainz was thinking was he would be penalized for it. He anticipated that and did go over and took his best chance at minimizing the damage pre-emptively. After the race, Leclerc felt cheated, but he is innocent considering he immediately did not know why Sainz did that. Probably a good communication from the team could've avoided a whole lot of wrong emotions spilling out in the open which no one wants to see. Especially between such two of the most likeable drivers on the grid.

[@Ritermann]

I can only hope that Hamilton and Leclerc will sabotage each other with their records of dealing with #1 priority Status in their team.

[@shunchihsust8718]

In my opinion Ferrari could have avoided this outraged scenario by simply admitted Carlos’s boxing request! But overall if Ferrari want a WDC next year strategy issue must be solved for sure

[@sibulelemrwebo294]

I think the strategy issue has been already solved Ferrari was absolutely cooking with their strategy this year. This week it was a mistake like any other team Let us not say Ferrari’s strategy is always trash when they make a mistake because they used to be stupid last year.

[@Rearmostbean]

My thought is Carlos shouldn’t be compromising his race behind cold tires on Charles. He drove right by him safely, so it was no risk, and I think nothing lost anyway. Carlos got likely his last podium. The team doesn’t say Charles is #1 driver, so he can’t act entitled. This isn’t like Norris going for championship, this is Charles going for 3rd

[@beckadg1806]

❤Good Analysis 👍🏻 till the next race .

[@kington2311]

Man i missed you somehow haven’t had your videos recommended

[@Garvm]

Come on. Ferrari threw an undercut with Leclerc to Sainz so he could pass him

[@ls7z06]

0:28 Carlos was absolutely NOT faster than Charles at Vegas! The only time Carlso was faster than Charles was when Charles cooked his tires fighting Russell for the lead. Later in the race, Carlos was told to swap places with Charles because Charles was faster and was keeping Lewis at bay. Charles, in fact, opened up over a second gap on Lewis, and was on Carlos' rear end. Charles was much faster than Carlos averaging, at times .5 seconds a lap, and that's why Carlos was told to let Charles through. Carlos said he'd let Charles by at turn 14, but left him no room. Carlos then said he'd let Charles by at turn 5 , and again, left him no room. Carlos finally let Charles pass at turn 16; one lap later (all of which can be seen, and heard, on the driver radio's and the Tracker on F1 TV Pro). In the process Carlos slowed Charles down so much that Lewis was now back on Charles' defuser. The f'ing around by Carlos, almost allowed Hamilton to get around Carlos. Carlos was then told, he's not to pressure Charles after Charles pit the second time. Charles, having been told by Bryan Bozzi twice, that Carlos would not pressure him, Charles believed he was under no pressure from Carlos, so Charles failed to defend. On cold tires, if Charles would have defended against Carlos, they might have come together and took each other out. If they take each other out, the TEAM would be out of the running for the Constructors Championship. Carlos is not a team player, and that's why Carlos won't be at Ferrari next year! 0:04

[@TheGreatNathan]

I don't see why Ferrari needs to implement team orders here. Letting them race here doesn't hurt their chances to win the constructors title as they were clearly faster than McLaren and slower than Mercedes. It's just a matter of which driver finishes ahead. Charles is just upset he missed his chance to gain more points on Norris as he wants to finish ahead of him in the WDC.

[@Chyeahokay]

End of the day your still an employee, and should listen to who signs our checks

[@antoonhermans8953]

i can understand sainz thinking f.. it , there dumping me anyway , charles should have realised this was sainz his mindset , and i think he did , he just was angry at the team

[@abhyudaysinghsikarwar1616]

I think the frustration is more bcz during the last laps VER was ahead of SAI n LEC.. lec was catching sainz but then sainz passed ver and kept him behind until it he gets a sufficient laps to defend. I first thought it's just a coincidence but then saw sainz minimising the gap less the 1 sec.

[@AlexFuerteventura]

This is possibly Carlos' last chance at a podium for the rest of his career. Not going for it would have been 100% the wrong decision.

[@DeiKuromu]

I think their relationship is officially broken, and it's not Charles or Carlos fault. Ferrari is still unable to manage their drivers or even listen to them when things are going sideways for the team in a race (reminds me of Vettel's last year with Ferrari). Lewis will have field days with them next year 😅😂😂

[@marty197666]

George said they expected to be fast in Qatar and they did look very fast initially at Austin. So maybe they’ve found the balance in the new upgrades?

[@edwardwong654]

It will be interesting when Lewis joins the team for the 2025 AD season.

[@MadeOfEarth1]

I wish the DRS line was at the exit of the turn so we could possibly get double slipstreaming.

[@dorianpetrov1317]

Im sorry But most people dont understand that Its not about who finishes ahead Its about that when sainz moans on The radio and Leclerc is asked to not attack he backs Off. When sainz gets told to not attack for The benefit of The entire team, he does whatever he pleases. Sainz fans can tell themselves whatever they want But this is The reason No Other top team wanted him.

[@AlexFuerteventura]

This is BS. Sainz has obeyed plenty... Even this season, when he would've been forgiven for being a bit rebellious. Other times he's ignored is when Ferrari was just 'inventing' only to benefit Charles, for no strategic purpose.

[@paulcornwell9207]

You don’t get a penalty for crossing the pit entry line if you don’t ENTER the pits

[@andyrules999]

We need more races with cars doing 2 or more pit stops. Also more tyre variations would be good

[@beany1987]

The racing and qualifying was phenomenal, but given where the race was you would expect the stands to be packed all weekend. This race could go the way of others unless the fans make it viable for the full weekend!!

[@truegret7778]

Sainz should have caught a penalty for entering the pit lane, then unsafely returning to the track. I have said Ferrari needs to replace their entire strategy team since Seb left. The have lost countless races because of their lack of strategy, and not because of the car or drivers.

[@joshaltea]

Leclerc is absolutely right to be upset with the team

[@kennethwisneski7858]

The pitting strategy was terrible by Ferrari. Carlos is gone for a reason, he doesn't listen to team orders. I don't think Carlos was quicker, when he passes Max near the end he didn't not break away and chase Hamilton, it was more important for him to keep Max close creating a DRS issues. Once Charles passed Max he was putting pressure on Carlos. Remember Charles gave up the position earlier for Carlos after using (abusing) his tire to try and overtake Russell.