Why Cheating was Legalized in Professional Tennis

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Professional tennis players… have been cheating. Openly, and on a regular basis. Out of desperation, the ATP, WTA, and the Four Grand Slams have recently enacted landmark rule changes that have legalized these violations , but in doing so, may have opened the door to a host of other potentially serious logistical and ethical issues posed by removing the final barrier that separated not just player from coach, but tennis itself from its famed reputation as the last remaining gladiator-esqe major sport.
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@CULTTENNIS
@CULTTENNIS 9 ай бұрын
Watch Second Serve on Nebula today! go.nebula.tv/culttennis
@zil1832
@zil1832 9 ай бұрын
This rule is archaic tbh. Players Coach collab is more interesting in a game.
@gebmanini6465
@gebmanini6465 9 ай бұрын
Cult tennis is kinda like Kyrgios. Ridiculously inconsistent, but when he shows up, very entertaining
@alfredbenedek3398
@alfredbenedek3398 9 ай бұрын
Mr. DJOKOVICMADE DEALS, WITH TOURNAMENT DIRECTORS, LINES MAN & CHAIR UMPIRES, YES INDEED. SEVERAL TIMES,HIS MARTCHES WERE FIXED BY THEM!! = F A C T! =
@snipaboy86
@snipaboy86 7 ай бұрын
perfect shout
@agranero6
@agranero6 4 ай бұрын
I find Kyrgios the most annoying player that ever lived. He makes McEnroe look like a calm Buddhist monk. UPDATE: to be fair it is sometimes funny and maybe in the future we will look at his antics as we look at McEnroe kind of charming inconsiderate comments. But MCEnroe I think is different: he speaks what he thinks without filters, for better and for worse. Kyrgios I am not so sure...he seem to do what he do best (what is not tennis) just for the sake of the reactions.
@peterbogdanowicz5224
@peterbogdanowicz5224 4 ай бұрын
Kyrgios doesn’t deserve this kind of recognition for a sport he just doesn’t give a shit about.
@tamamakiiti587
@tamamakiiti587 3 ай бұрын
I love both Nick and CT so this checks out
@SIMOLAMBOTZ
@SIMOLAMBOTZ 9 ай бұрын
I've always wondered why (if coaching is cheating) they put the coaches so close to the players.... Let's put them more far, and maybe put the two coaches together so they will cancel each other 😂
@zjzr08
@zjzr08 9 ай бұрын
Putting two coaches with each other would be pretty funny and may had been effective.
@CalvinLau_the_plasmanaut
@CalvinLau_the_plasmanaut 9 ай бұрын
That would be a great sideshow for tennis matches!
@Mzee1084
@Mzee1084 8 ай бұрын
I look forward to the arguments and fist fights lol
@snotnosewilly99
@snotnosewilly99 8 ай бұрын
In American football, coaches calling plays from the sideline was banned, but some coaches called plays anyway, giving them an advantage over the honest coaches. They solved the problem by allowing coaches to call plays legal...now everyone is equal.
@BlakeJaSmith
@BlakeJaSmith 8 ай бұрын
@@snotnosewilly99 The big problem here is that not everyone has a coach at all, much less the 2, 3, or sometimes even 4 that the top players use. I'm generally okay with the random insight here or there during a break, but definitely not some kind of fully open system. Combine that with letting these coaches have access to the statistical data being gathered by the venue DURING THAT MATCH, it's literally just going to become whichever skilled player that isn't injured and has the better coach is going to win. Tennis won't be about the players anymore, but about their team.
@josie.larinni
@josie.larinni 9 ай бұрын
dude, i played tennis competitively my entire life and tore my ACL my first year in college. two years (and two surgeries) later, i still can’t return to the court. your videos let me feel connected to my sport :^) thank you for what you do
@ghostwarrier0019
@ghostwarrier0019 9 ай бұрын
im a tennis player i understand how hard it is to come back to the court after surgery i hope you recover fast and i ll pray for u see u on the court 😉😊
@arislanbekkosnazarov9644
@arislanbekkosnazarov9644 8 ай бұрын
Stay strong
@dnbjedi
@dnbjedi 8 ай бұрын
Tennis can be so brutal on the body -. I had something similar happen because my mind was playing faster than my body. You get so into the game…
@gablan1468
@gablan1468 2 ай бұрын
And Djokovic just returned to Wimbledon shortly after his knee surgery! How crazy is this?
@josie.larinni
@josie.larinni 2 ай бұрын
@@gablan1468 no way! i had no idea he’d gotten surgery. to be fair it is his job, so he could afford to put 100% of his time to physical recovery. unfortunately i wasn’t able to prioritize it as much. good for him!!
@captainspirou
@captainspirou 9 ай бұрын
11:00 - They've introduced a serve clock timer so I have no problem if all coaching happens within that time. They need the start the clock at the end of the last point
@therealclp7488
@therealclp7488 9 ай бұрын
Perfect solution
@iansmirna5183
@iansmirna5183 9 ай бұрын
Very interesting video. I never thought about potential consequences of unbalancing a meeting between a player who get advices, stats, etc and a player already struggling to sustain himself.
@ozziekhoo
@ozziekhoo 9 ай бұрын
This. Money is always going to be a factor of everything (not just sport), but I think this reason alone is enough to NOT allow coaching to prevent "rich players gettting richer".
@theodorosconstantinides7417
@theodorosconstantinides7417 9 ай бұрын
Yes, let's pretend that brief coach during games is the only difference between a wealthy player and a player who barely breaks even to keep the playing field even. The support wealthy players get before matches, during training etc is already making the sport (and many other sports) unequal
@RinslerRR
@RinslerRR 9 ай бұрын
I'd be quite upset if the majors changed to 3 set matches for the men. I'd like the opposite. I think the women should play 5 set matches just like the men. 5 set matches are far more entertaining.
@amsd1231
@amsd1231 9 ай бұрын
For the spectators 5 sets are great but for the individual player health we have to cut down the game time at each tournament. This is especially true for the players who consistently make deeps runs into these tournaments. Imagine playing 5 set matches for two weeks then going into another one without any down time or recovery.
@RinslerRR
@RinslerRR 9 ай бұрын
@@amsd1231 It only happens 4 times a year. I think they can handle it. The guys do. They can always take a week off if they want.
@zjzr08
@zjzr08 9 ай бұрын
​@amsd1231 Usually players withdraw from tournaments the week after a deep run.
@DutyFirst
@DutyFirst 9 ай бұрын
I'm pretty fed up with sports making changes for the worst and justifying it by looking after athletes. Whilst that might be true at the end of the day professional sport only exists because of the fans and they're the ones that seem to always bite the bullet as year in year out prices for everything from tickets to even streaming services increases.
@ddjr6673
@ddjr6673 9 ай бұрын
@@zjzr08 And this gives other players the opportunity to gain experience and ranking points?
@ultimategamingchannel3800
@ultimategamingchannel3800 9 ай бұрын
Less than a week ago I revisited your channel after realising you hadn’t posted in a while so I’m glad to see you’re back!
@bigshaqdragon9653
@bigshaqdragon9653 9 ай бұрын
Don't you love it how Serena claims she never cheats and her own coach admitted that they cheated. Lol
@StewNWT
@StewNWT 9 ай бұрын
it's so dumb to call it cheating as if coaches don't give advice to players or athletes in ANY OTHER SPORT. The athlete still has to go out and execute it. Stop being a dramatic whiner
@alittlebitgone
@alittlebitgone 9 ай бұрын
Breaking an established rule in a sport is cheating, full stop. @@StewNWT
@Kaimax61
@Kaimax61 9 ай бұрын
@@StewNWT It's cheating because it was still not allowed at that time. So IT IS CHEATING
@Theon435
@Theon435 9 ай бұрын
Her coach said that he was coaching but not that she was paying attention and as stated by the whole point of the video every player gets coaching.
@StewNWT
@StewNWT 9 ай бұрын
@@Kaimax61 well sure that's the stupid answer. Was it an infraction? Sure and the ump was right to make the call. BUt is it actually cheating at tennis? Of course not. Don't be stupid. There's a difference between breaking the rules and cheating. Learn to read
@guidodelgiudice5
@guidodelgiudice5 9 ай бұрын
I say no computer data access. I say coach can talks to player but not the other way round and only when they are on the same side of the court.
@electric_boogaloo496
@electric_boogaloo496 9 ай бұрын
Agreed, they are going to have access after the match anyway. But during the match is just ridiculous for the player who cannot even afford a coach to bring them the iPad with the data.
@CalvinLau_the_plasmanaut
@CalvinLau_the_plasmanaut 9 ай бұрын
But then you run into the same issues of having to catch them because you just know people will have analysts sending info to the coaches via phones, watches, glasses.. etc.
@Gezza2515
@Gezza2515 9 ай бұрын
Agree, that it's about balancing tradition and growing the game. However, for those of us who took up the sport because it is truly YOU versus your opponent, my skills versus his, my mindset versus his - it destroys the very fabric / intention / invention of the game to get coaching during a match.
@filiplou74
@filiplou74 9 ай бұрын
As long as everyone is allowed to do it, it's not a big deal. There's plenty of coaching happening during the game with other sports....
@ricardolombardini
@ricardolombardini 9 ай бұрын
I mean, are you a professional? Maybe just set a rule to play without coaching. No offense intended
@sfkim44
@sfkim44 9 ай бұрын
this is dumbest rule ever. they should get rid of it
@pedroh.6244
@pedroh.6244 9 ай бұрын
I don't agree. Coaching makes the game more unpredictable. The scenario of a set can change during a point. We see more variation of strategies, more weapons being used, more FUN. Also, it does not destroys "the very fabric / intention / invention" of the game. Tennis was not made to be like this, it was meant to be just a game with rackets man, don't go all Socrates about it, it's really not that deep.
@TheLetterH111
@TheLetterH111 9 ай бұрын
The notion of it being a pure one vs. one game is completely bunk in a professional setting. The presence of the crowd is a huge factor in most grand slam games, and it often isnt evenly split
@alexwtf80
@alexwtf80 7 ай бұрын
In the AO final, when Sinner was down 5-1 in the 2nd set, his coach clearly told him on camera (in Italian) "Now try something different". It was inspiring for me that all the coach has to say was "figure it out yourself, you can do it". That aside, I'm against on court coaching and strongly against making live statistics available to coaches. While the coaching right now is common, isn't a deeper strategic advice but limited to basic hints. The player has still to figure out by himself how to win the match and that is an aspect of the tennis matches that I really want to preserve.
@Logjambam
@Logjambam 9 ай бұрын
When the world needed him most
@MrTchupam
@MrTchupam 4 ай бұрын
He vanished
@pragatikasooch
@pragatikasooch 2 ай бұрын
Whom you are talking about
@Logjambam
@Logjambam Ай бұрын
@@pragatikasooch Just the guy who makes these videos. It had been a few months longer than it usually had been between vids and I was just saying I was glad they're back
@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220
@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220 9 ай бұрын
I teach tennis for a living. For a while I would say something about a match on TV and then the commentators would say it right after me so i figured i had a decent tennis iq. But when the coaches came out there and said what i was thinking, i was like "yoooo i should go up on my rates!!"
@cheefussmith9380
@cheefussmith9380 6 ай бұрын
“Hit it in, don’t let it bounce twice, move your feet” Amazing stuff! (Yes, I’m joking)
@mrbenwong86
@mrbenwong86 Ай бұрын
If you want to ban oncourt coaching, put the team in a VIP room with grerat view, but can not be easily seen by the players.
@vbittencourt
@vbittencourt 9 ай бұрын
The body governing tennis is facing the same problem the awards shows like Oscar have. They think they need to chance to apeal to a larger audience, but the chances fail to do that AND alienate the fans that already like the event.
@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220
@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220 9 ай бұрын
The problem is that tennis in general doesn't know how to Market itself. They just show people's faces and then tell you when they're playing. And theu barely do that. Wta has a chance because the women are more dramatic on the whole but they refuse to make that a thing. If a female player is problematic, you have a better chance of watching the match live or a channel that highlights ratchetness in women's tennis. They want you to care about the stuff they care about. I'm in my forties, I don't care about women who have babies and go back to work. In my life that is pretty normal.
@elvistrumpet
@elvistrumpet 9 ай бұрын
worse is they love to half ass it most of the time. making changes that don't completely fit any criteria and ends up bummed out on why there's no new blood in the game. (watching the game)
@zjzr08
@zjzr08 9 ай бұрын
@@dadsfreetimeclassicgaming1220 Some say the ATP should've been marketed as gladiatorial rather than a high-class port per se as tennis is a lot more physical and mental than what the mainstream usually see - I personally see that Federer being hyped mostly is due to his "elegance" which while is a fine virtue doesn't help build a "rough" image to the game IMO.
@DornAndGrant
@DornAndGrant 9 ай бұрын
Table tennis has been messing with its rules for the reason of widening popularity. Eg changing the No. of points to 11. Banning certain rubbers, changing size composition of balls. None of which widened the popularity (to the best of my knowledge)
@nicknickbon22
@nicknickbon22 9 ай бұрын
There are examples, such as Formula 1 though, that show changes can increase the appeal for a sport and bring new stable viewers
@Pedone_Rosso
@Pedone_Rosso 2 ай бұрын
2:00 That's how you orient the board for Checkers. To play Chess, you rotate it 90 degrees from the portrayed position: - counterclockwise to see the board from the white pieces' viewpoint, - clockwise to see the board from the black pieces' viewpoint. Thanks for your videos!
@brettthompson5081
@brettthompson5081 8 ай бұрын
i've played tennis my whole life and always laughed at the idea that if someone told me "move in" or "be more aggressive" that would be the magic sauce. like, man, if i just had those few kernels of wisdom... haha. execution is 99% of tennis and no one hit shots for you or can summon the will to do something. no one ever looks down at the NFL for taking a timeout to talk about things. i'm glad the rules have changed on the matter.
@swisscloud4309
@swisscloud4309 7 ай бұрын
I think you’re looking at it wrong I always felt coaching helped those out of ideas and are just going through the motions Sometimes something as small as positive encouragement or a rocket up the ass from the coach could encourage a player to snap out of his funk and get it going again
@brettthompson5081
@brettthompson5081 7 ай бұрын
@@swisscloud4309 i think i'm actually on the same page as you. i think coaching should be there for that encouragement to execute.
@TimelyAdventure
@TimelyAdventure 9 ай бұрын
Players who can’t afford a coach during matches are at yet another disadvantage
@DutyFirst
@DutyFirst 9 ай бұрын
If they make men's grand slams best of 3 it will be nail in the coffin not progress
@Mysterio2024
@Mysterio2024 7 ай бұрын
I think they could make it best of 3 for rounds 1-4, then keep QF-F best of 5. Women can do that too.
@DutyFirst
@DutyFirst 7 ай бұрын
@@Mysterio2024 I'm more accepting of this suggestion than 3 sets outright for the whole GS. I think the AO showed us the impact of significant court time. If it was best of 3 we might have had a totally different AO champion. Definitely have to keep it the way it is in my mind. The athletes are paid enough and now more than ever.
@azkalot1
@azkalot1 9 ай бұрын
"Hit deeper" is a very useful coaching for Rublev, I guess. top-10 player frequently forget about the depth :(
@JustStop19
@JustStop19 9 ай бұрын
Correct pronunciation would be "beiy glubzhe".
@WhosCarlos0
@WhosCarlos0 9 ай бұрын
He gave an example bru 😭
@azkalot1
@azkalot1 9 ай бұрын
@@WhosCarlos0 but even if you listen to what coaches do say during matches, their advices are not way deeper. “Play more backhand”, “step in on a second a serve”
@WhosCarlos0
@WhosCarlos0 9 ай бұрын
@@azkalot1 even pros get lost in the heat of the moment. They’re human too
@azkalot1
@azkalot1 9 ай бұрын
@@WhosCarlos0 exactly! So it doesn't make sense to ban coaching since in many times it really on a level of encouragement
@gabrielametodieva8360
@gabrielametodieva8360 9 ай бұрын
There’s another rule that bugs me because it’s being applied inconsistently, possibly due to the same reason why coaching was hard to enforce and it’s the audible obscenity one. They mostly enforce it for English and a couple of foreign words 7 out of 10 will get away with it. When a rule can’t be applied consistently it loses its purpose. I guess if the umpire doesn’t understand it, it’s likely that the audience won’t too and that’s the main thing but still, some players are at disadvantage vs others.
@maciek_d
@maciek_d 8 ай бұрын
This was super high quality and informative too. Kudos to you my friend
@ricardolombardini
@ricardolombardini 9 ай бұрын
The day Cult Tennis uploads is a GOOD DAY.
@OfficialWorldChampion
@OfficialWorldChampion 9 ай бұрын
why is allowing coaching, fast 4, no ad and so forth “advancement”? Can’t someone think of something genuinely creative and not just arbitrarily different?
@jeffreyzhao8623
@jeffreyzhao8623 9 ай бұрын
coaching during a match in any form should NOT be allowed. Sad to see an elegant game is polluted by a “business savvy” executive decision. The beauty of the game is how a gladiator fight to the championship on the court alone using his own mental and physical strength, similar to chess masters.
@livwake
@livwake 9 ай бұрын
It’s an integral part of most other sports and doesn’t take away from the prestige at all
@TwerkTeamCapt
@TwerkTeamCapt 9 ай бұрын
Based on the video you left this commented on, it was already happening before the rule changed, just out of sight/earshot or in a different language so as to not get caught. If it's already happening and not being properly enforced it makes sense for them to test out the removal of the rule to see if it's actually any better or worse.
@ddjr6673
@ddjr6673 9 ай бұрын
I think you hit the nail on the head: unfair advantage for those at the top of the game who can afford to travel with a whole entourage. It can only make the gap between the top 200 or so and the rest wider, and less of a level playing field - which it really isn't. Love: the shot clock, timed bathroom breaks (two permitted in 5 set matches but time limited). Hate: only 3 sets for slams and the idea of games only going up to 4, rather than 6)
@imalwaysright
@imalwaysright 9 ай бұрын
A theory that needs to be supported by evidence. The top players already have much more that put them at an advantage - coaches, physios, trainers, experience. The notion that court coaching is going to widen the gap or greater advantage needs data
@ddjr6673
@ddjr6673 9 ай бұрын
@@imalwaysright If it's not going to make a difference, why have it at all? Of course, it's going to make a difference, logic would state that receiving information and statistics to the player's advantage, for those that can have it, it's yet another thing for them
@theodorosconstantinides7417
@theodorosconstantinides7417 9 ай бұрын
​@ddjr6673 of course it makes a small difference and that's why wealthy players do it, but it's not much when compared to the rest of the support they receive
@vrnvorona
@vrnvorona 9 ай бұрын
@@ddjr6673so we need to ban other staff too? They also have more money to do more more quality training with partners and coaches. Flying to camps too. Can't make it all entirely equal since their preparation will *always* be unequal.
@BlakeJaSmith
@BlakeJaSmith 8 ай бұрын
@@vrnvorona What happens outside of the court is a different matter entirely. It has always been the case that athletes who have a better network of people and put in the work are going to have an advantage over those that just put in the work. That's part of sports in general. But the goal should ALWAYS be to at least mitigate these disadvantages as much as possible. This decision wasn't made to create a better sport, it was made to make a more entertaining sport for the spectators. The issue with that is there's almost nothing more boring than watching one player systematically tear apart another player because they have access to real-time, computer generated statistics that only some players are realistically going to be able to utilize. Even if both players are allowed access to the data, the players isn't going to have the time or energy to interpret and extrapolate that data. The player with the coach doesn't have to worry about any of that because the coach can do that work for them.
@juanmarino1186
@juanmarino1186 9 ай бұрын
how do you make these videos, transitions and where do you get all the footage for it! its amazing and I would love to learn how to do it! any resources i can use to start learning! congrats on such a great job
@bb1111116
@bb1111116 9 ай бұрын
I have no problem with on court coaching. It’s happening anyway and officials can’t stop it. Let it happen. Timing bathroom breaks is also a good idea to speed up the game.
@vrnvorona
@vrnvorona 9 ай бұрын
They can. Ban coaches and/or all communications with player. But should it be done?
@shashimohan6354
@shashimohan6354 Ай бұрын
Even in Cricket; according to the laws of the game, the moment the match commences any kind of communication from coach/team management/ dressing room is prohibited. However words are still exchanged between the dressing room and the players on the field during the drinks break via the water boys; and the umpire turns a deaf ear.
@twinwankel
@twinwankel 9 ай бұрын
Well long bathroom breaks were started by Nadal and Joker who used them when they were behind. You have to wonder what they were doing. Of course, Tsissy gets the ire of public while these other guys skate on by. A toilet break clock would stop this nonsense and make the matches fairer.
@benj10s
@benj10s 9 ай бұрын
boofing caffeine and adrenaline pills
@thlee3
@thlee3 9 ай бұрын
dark arts
@thlee3
@thlee3 9 ай бұрын
@@benj10sand def boofing peds
@arcadianluna2605
@arcadianluna2605 9 ай бұрын
Fed did it too and he admitted
@benj10s
@benj10s 9 ай бұрын
@@arcadianluna2605 Fed used the power of No Fap. notice he slowed down when he had the twin twins?
@randolphpinkle4482
@randolphpinkle4482 4 ай бұрын
Being coached during a match effectively turns the match into a doubles event. At least mentally and emotionally.
@mees6104
@mees6104 8 ай бұрын
If they change sets to be only 4 games I will be upsetti spaghetti. The comeback potential within a set would be absolutely ruined. Same goes for no-AD scoring, way less of a margin for a comeback within a game. The most memorable tennis moments for me are insane comebacks from deep within sets/games. Getting rid of those moments would seriously impact my enjoyment of the sport.
@WivoRN
@WivoRN 9 ай бұрын
THE GOAT IS BACK!
@Numbnuts007
@Numbnuts007 9 ай бұрын
So literally until it was allowed by the four opens, the only competitive sports that banned mid match coaching was esports and tennis
@TDohertyProductions
@TDohertyProductions 9 ай бұрын
I mean esports allow coaching between games, which would be similar to coaches being allowed to talk to their players up close and privately between sets.
@MrTresto
@MrTresto 9 ай бұрын
Not all of esports bans it. There are tons of different games. In fighting games for example, I haven't heard of any ban of the sort, you even see some players consult their phone or having a buddy come to talk to them between matches (in a first to 2 or 3 matches, it means it can happen up to 4x)
@crunkky8736
@crunkky8736 9 ай бұрын
@@MrTresto There was some drama at some point in the Melee community about mid match coaching but yeah it's allowed in some esports
@andrejchalas6799
@andrejchalas6799 9 ай бұрын
it doesnt make it bad tho
@torpedospurs
@torpedospurs 9 ай бұрын
Do you count Chess as a sport?
@manuel-xax
@manuel-xax 9 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for this video. So, it seems like we (I mean, people like who can't stand coaching during match) must have to thank miss Stacey for having been the trojan horse of this utterly stupid idea, both for the WTA and ATP tours. I despise you miss Allastar. I feel just as much sad as disgusted by a bunch of changes done in the last 20 years. Most, if not all, of these changes have given an advantage only to better ranked / richest players. From the infamous "tv change over" and hawk eye on the biggest courts; to the fact you pointed out : most players can't afford to have, most of the time, their coach by their side (not to mention their entire team). I felt almost sick when umpires (I guess following ATP guidelines) allowed Nadal and Djokovic to take way too many time between points, reaching ad nauseam level during this highly suspicious AO 2012 final. It's a disgrace witnessing Juan Carlos Ferrero talking to Carlos Alcaraz (no pick a coach and a player I really do like). I've been playing tennis for over 35 years,and love this game to the bones, yet I miss more and more the era were a conversation between a player and his coach / team was mostly allowed ONCE during a match. As much as I loved such dialogues in any Davis Cup match, I never wanted this to spread to the whole tour. Quite the opposite : having it only during the Davis Cup competition was giving more weight to being alone most of the year, and vice versa.
@tomr6955
@tomr6955 8 ай бұрын
So Stacey's mission is to destroy tennis
@thebigsquirrel50
@thebigsquirrel50 9 ай бұрын
8:20 Classic CT couldn't get through the video without showing the top legend of the channel 😂 missed these videos
@ad-rock603
@ad-rock603 9 ай бұрын
I thought Lord Tomac was at 12:07
@RinslerRR
@RinslerRR 9 ай бұрын
I have no problem with mid-game coaching , but I don't find it adds anything to the show. I couldn't care less about what a coach is saying. As for the rich getting richer, that's up to the tournaments to decide. They're the ones that distribute the money as they see fit. They could easily give the earlier round losers more money. Also, they could give each player a tablet to go over their stats during changeovers. Many sport leagues already do it. They could see where they're better or weaker than their opponent which should help even things out if they don't have a coach present.
@imalwaysright
@imalwaysright 9 ай бұрын
Good point
@AmateurAthleteAllDay
@AmateurAthleteAllDay 9 ай бұрын
Don’t you just love Patrick for putting Serena in jeopardy? He says he’s going to be honest about cheating and he looses nothing. Gotta love it!
@vrnvorona
@vrnvorona 9 ай бұрын
loses
@NithinJune
@NithinJune 5 ай бұрын
if they’re doing it anyway. It doesn’t make sense to inconsistently apply a hard to enforce rule
@my8osprive
@my8osprive 9 ай бұрын
Instead of picking on Tsitsipas, why don't you show his "teacher" Djokovic who did it to him on the RG finals?
@huzcer
@huzcer 9 ай бұрын
cope harder.
@my8osprive
@my8osprive 9 ай бұрын
@@huzcer it's the reason why his peers never voted for him in ATP awards in his entire career. The guy's motto is 'the means justifies the ends'.
@huzcer
@huzcer 9 ай бұрын
@@my8osprive OK lets look at the awards the ATP players actually vote for - "Most improved player, Comeback player & Newcomer of the year" - none of those are going to ever apply to Djokovic except when he was young when he did win them and when he came back from injury in 2018 when he won that too - he has been at the top for 15 years. the players also vote for the Stefan Edberg award FROM THE NOMINATIONS FROM THE ATP. so its the ATP who decides who you can vote for, not the players. The award players would actually WANT to be winning is PLAYER OF THE YEAR which Djokovic has won a record number of times. as for Federer and Nadal - they actually did next to nothing for the actual welfare of players on tour which Djokovic does and has done. even this October Trungelliti called this out that Fedrerer and Nadal were only happy with their own selfish position and not worried about the welfare of other players - "The Argentine took aim at Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer, while praising Novak Djokovic when speaking on the topic, “I think it is indispensable. People may not like it, but Federer and Nadal never said anything. Whether you like it or not, they are complicit in how bad the system is, because they were not able to open their mouths even once and fight for the rights of the players. “If they ever did it it was internally, but it didn’t change anything. Only this year the Challengers’ prizes were changed a little, but they are still embarrassing when we supposedly came out of the most golden era in the history of tennis.”
@my8osprive
@my8osprive 9 ай бұрын
​@@huzcer lol how can a guy be nominated for a Stefan Edberg award when he breaks rackets, disrespects the crowd, disrespects the umpires, retires matches when he sees he's losing (or even when frustrated because he lost the singles Olympic leaving his doubles partner dreaming about the possible pinnacle in her career), takes extensive toilet breaks, etc etc? kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6LOh5aLgtyLh68
@huzcer
@huzcer 9 ай бұрын
@@my8osprive ah it's hilarious. most people don't even know what a Stefan Edberg award even is and even less care about it. people know very well who has won the most though. the butt-hurt Fedal copers pretend to care about broken rackets when it's only because Djokovic has broken all the actual tennis records so they have nothing to talk about there. what is even more funny for the average Fedal hypocrite is that it was Federer who showed Djokovic exactly how it was done kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKq3eWCjeciog7M
@coachhannah2403
@coachhannah2403 8 ай бұрын
I often give myself the "Isner talk." TV match camera zoomed in on Isner in the break. He's sitting there and you can clearly spread his lips saying "MOVE your FEET!" Great professional advice!
@BigGTennis
@BigGTennis 9 ай бұрын
For some players this will be a big advantage, but having sat beside many of the top WTA coaches and listened in on their advice, it typically isn't anything enlightened. It's just providing support and encouragement, not amazing tactics.
@vladyslavdiumin4124
@vladyslavdiumin4124 9 ай бұрын
Great video.Thank you for an amazing content you produce for us, tennis fans.This video was absolutely fantastic!🎉🎉❤❤
@king0vdarkness
@king0vdarkness 9 ай бұрын
the thumbnail is the answer to the video title - the atp couldn't tell apostolos to shut up, nothing worked, and therefore now everyone can cheat, or look angrily at Goran Ivanisevic.
@Thetiersofmadness
@Thetiersofmadness 9 ай бұрын
He’s finally returned!
@vojinvmilojkovic7622
@vojinvmilojkovic7622 7 ай бұрын
Novak Djokovic coaches himself. And he also coaches his competition while he is at it lol
@volvobill1394
@volvobill1394 9 ай бұрын
Return of the king
@mollyseymour10
@mollyseymour10 9 ай бұрын
I’m all for coaching outside of tournaments because your not playing your opponent. But I’m not a fan of coaching during a match as I see this as cheating
@machineofadream
@machineofadream 7 ай бұрын
If it's allowed in the rules then it's not cheating. It is just a rule you don't like. It matters because it's very misleading to those who aren't following the sport to say that every pro tennis player is a cheat.
@bigkahunaburger5185
@bigkahunaburger5185 9 ай бұрын
Still found a way to sneak Donald into your video 😂 Love your channel!
@alfredbenedek3398
@alfredbenedek3398 9 ай бұрын
Mr. DJOKOVIC IS CONSISTANTLY KEEP RECEIVING ADVICES, IN HIS LANGUAGE, AND HE IS CUSSING AND SWEARING OUT LOUD, IN SERBIAN LANGUAGE, YET WHY WASN'T HE FINED???!!
@huzcer
@huzcer 9 ай бұрын
cope harder. but then again it's not going to stop Seoondal and Thirderer finishing as also-rans.
@sanimadani4216
@sanimadani4216 9 ай бұрын
Because he's won that privilege by being an all time great :)
@AbaMdy
@AbaMdy 9 ай бұрын
The goat of KZbin tennis remembers his password
@ldr4690
@ldr4690 9 ай бұрын
Seems no different than a corner man in boxing. Let 'em coach.
@barongerhardt
@barongerhardt 7 ай бұрын
"Shut the F* up." Isn't just good tennis coaching but a premium Life Pro Tip.
@ChickenChicken-ps3iu
@ChickenChicken-ps3iu 9 ай бұрын
If grand slams change to 3 sets then tennis is doomed
@googlereviewer1944
@googlereviewer1944 9 ай бұрын
Off court coaching is a complete joke. Hugely detracts from should should be a 1v1 sport.
@rafagoat575
@rafagoat575 9 ай бұрын
Ever watched boxing or UFC? Teams are constantly coaching and nobody thinks it's wrong lol
@TapDat52K
@TapDat52K 9 ай бұрын
​@@rafagoat575 I mean, it probably should be banned there too. But it's a tough conversation all around
@googlereviewer1944
@googlereviewer1944 9 ай бұрын
Khabib's team telling Khabib to "smesh him" ain't the same! 😂 Tennis players are more prone to mental collapse under pressure. On court coaching takes that drama away. Watching Halep self-combust for example is entertaining @@rafagoat575
@benj10s
@benj10s 9 ай бұрын
But it's never 1 v 1. it takes a team, not just 1 guy
@xavilab4212
@xavilab4212 Ай бұрын
Hey! Do you think the ATP and WTA should make it possible for the umpires and the players to see the replays of certain situations (like in the case of FAA and Draper recently?)
@greg5892
@greg5892 3 ай бұрын
I still don’t understand how reminding someone to drink water or eat a banana is somehow scandalous. Strategy? Okay. But basic well-being?
@babobereta
@babobereta 9 ай бұрын
look, regardless of who you have giving you advice, in tennis it`s gonna very rarely make some big difference. I mean, do you honestly believe that Rublev (or a player of that calibre) is gonna win a match he was going to lose because his coach told him to "hit deeper" or "play more defensive". Coaches in tennis could have more of a role helping players mentally to calm them down and increase their focus during big matches and moments rather than giving them actual strategic advice on how to play and what to do. Having said that, I think the rules need to be clear and need to be enforced because situation right now is completely unfair. Tsitsipas for example gets a ton of hate because of the supposed coaching he receives from his box, while on the other hand somebody like Alcaraz can have full on conversations with his coach (like you showed in the video) during the match and nobody cares because Alcaraz is the designated golden boy and the new tennis superstar. It`s just not fair, either everybody can do it or nobody can, right now it seems like some selected few are getting a free pass while others are getting all the punishment
@imalwaysright
@imalwaysright 9 ай бұрын
20 seconds is brief
@babobereta
@babobereta 9 ай бұрын
@@imalwaysright completely missed the point of what I was saying
@steveclark2205
@steveclark2205 3 ай бұрын
No coaching from the sidelines, always and forever ❤
@mordsythe
@mordsythe Ай бұрын
It’s a brilliant idea. The more info the modern day viewer has, the more interested they seem to become. I watched the tournament with the 1st set of iPads… that combined with the mics allowed me to get a much better idea of the strategy and I was glued to the screen.
@chonchon911
@chonchon911 9 ай бұрын
Well researched and fantastic production value, great video as always!
@PickupthePieces76
@PickupthePieces76 7 ай бұрын
The 'rich get richer' argument is not applicable to the coaching debate. Having a whole team around you is of course beneficial, but all that difference is made outside the matches, not on court. Besides, if you have the potential to be a top 20 player and you are on tour, you will get there regardless. The players that got there didn't get there because of the team, they got an (extensive) team, because they got there. And that team is necessary to stay competitive with other top players where the margins are slim, not to make a difference with players outside the top 100. Players outside the top 200 or so barely making a living is a (separate) issue for sure if you want the sport to be viable and grow, but the solutions for that lie more in making prize money less top heavy amongst other things. Not allowing on court coaching is not going to make a difference in that regard.
@CSV1973
@CSV1973 9 ай бұрын
allow coaching … provide coaches to players who can’t afford it..
@AA-le9ls
@AA-le9ls 9 ай бұрын
I would like to coach Rune since I feel that he plays with an inappropriate tactic. Like another backhand specialist before him, Agassi, he should stay centered and hit strong backhands instead of running around to hit weak inside in or inside out forehands.
@agustinlucchini9802
@agustinlucchini9802 9 ай бұрын
Loved the videos. Sending love from Argentina🤙🏼
@markoragnos6757
@markoragnos6757 9 ай бұрын
Worse thing is time wasting. Players should play to servers pace but Djokovic and Nadal awlays violated this. No respect for them.
@huzcer
@huzcer 9 ай бұрын
Only Nadal delays the servers picking his ass and sniffing his fingers etc.. Djokovic does not so that is a lie. Federer finished in third place anyway!
@ammoniumammonide
@ammoniumammonide 9 ай бұрын
Kind of unrelated but this is exactly why calculators were unbanned in Minecraft speedruns
@alexandrequillien4068
@alexandrequillien4068 9 ай бұрын
Just ban the coaches only until after the match. Or only once between sets. It's not that complicated
@salmence100
@salmence100 9 ай бұрын
Super happy to see you're on Nebula as well! Genuinely such a great service
@StellarLlama
@StellarLlama 8 ай бұрын
sick editing. great video mate
@driesvanoosten4417
@driesvanoosten4417 7 ай бұрын
It's absolute nonsense that this rule cannot be enforced. Just keep the coach far enough away from the athlete. In climbing, the coach is not allowed to share beta with the athlete, that is, they are not allowed to share details on how to do a climb with the athlete. And it indeed never happens, because they are not allowed near the athlete. Very simple
@astrahcat1212
@astrahcat1212 Ай бұрын
I actually think we have it one way or another. Either introduce timeouts into the sport, or cut the ringside coaching out.
@ts9576
@ts9576 9 ай бұрын
Good lord please don't change the scoring and set play. I would hate to quit watching a sport I love so dearly.
@AA-yc8yr
@AA-yc8yr 9 ай бұрын
Erm, Nadal the 'worst' offender? How about Djokovic and Federer? Their coaches and other entourage in the stands do not talk to / signal at them? Just go the f*ck away (and just for info, in-match coaching is perfectly alright in MOST sports).
@Parssel
@Parssel 7 ай бұрын
Could you do a video on the history of the legality then illegality of meldonium usage in tennis? Maybe focusing on particular players and whether or not any key statistics (regarding for example match length, or even tactical changes where mainly defensive players shifted to become more offensive and thereby reduce average rally and match duration) changed after the substance was banned. I just find it frustrating that no one has ever looked at this. A lot of people suspect that for a fairly long period of time some top players were getting a huge stamina, and joint wear-and-tear, benefit from meldonium’s greater diffusion of oxygenated blood around the body. Other top players weren’t. It was scandalous that its use was tolerated for so long, but no one seems to talk about it.
@TapDat52K
@TapDat52K 9 ай бұрын
This is kinda silly to me. Coaching mid-match should just be banned
@RemyMNdow
@RemyMNdow 9 ай бұрын
If tennisplayers would be in some type of team with coaches and other players, wouldn’t that solve the problem of players almost making no money in tennis?
@bpastorb
@bpastorb 4 ай бұрын
The coaching thing literally never made sense to me.. If you want to *not* allow mid-game coaching.. BAN THE COACHES. Why they were ever allowed to 'watch' in the first place should be the only question. If you want coaches just straight out allow it like they are doing.
@brucevu7917
@brucevu7917 9 ай бұрын
They should just move player boxes to behind the umpire if they talk more then let's go and such immediate violation
@ognqski
@ognqski 9 ай бұрын
Please dont turn tennis into soccer or basketball. No coaching. From 6 years old to 90. In fact, take away coaching at college level competitions also. Let the coaches coach during the week. Once the match begins let the player play and work it out on their own.
@virat5828
@virat5828 9 ай бұрын
Choosing Federer to show 'mental strength' that too at Wimbledon, not the wisest decision 😂
@Michael-Boyer
@Michael-Boyer 9 ай бұрын
How many Wimbledon’s has he won?
@virat5828
@virat5828 9 ай бұрын
@@Michael-Boyer just 1 more than Novak who'll catch up soon enough.
@Michael-Boyer
@Michael-Boyer 9 ай бұрын
@@virat5828 that’s fine. But to suggest the #1 Wimbledon champion of all time doesn’t have mental strength is quite odd.
@virat5828
@virat5828 9 ай бұрын
@@Michael-Boyer as I said that record will be gone. But losing 24 matches after having match points that's something else.
@Michael-Boyer
@Michael-Boyer 9 ай бұрын
@@virat5828 who cares? Your initial comment makes no sense. He also won 22 matches facing a MP.
@JiraiyaSama86
@JiraiyaSama86 9 ай бұрын
While I love Rafa, this is one position I will not side with him on. I'm on Federer's side on this.
@Beondd
@Beondd 8 ай бұрын
I love the idea of giving playes access to the game data on tablets during game but I think it would really seperate the greats from the ones buying their way up the ladder if there is no coach involved when looking at the game data, just the player and their brain.
@jamiejosh96
@jamiejosh96 9 ай бұрын
Last remaining gladiator sport 😂😂 not boxing or mma?
@Rshen11
@Rshen11 9 ай бұрын
Those are combats sports.. and the coach is at the corner..
@evolvedHE
@evolvedHE 9 ай бұрын
The moment grand slams become bo3 is the moment I stop watching tennis forever
@markthomas3730
@markthomas3730 2 ай бұрын
PERFECT THUMBNAIL PHOTO TO ILLUSTRATE CHEATING
@matthewdavis3421
@matthewdavis3421 5 ай бұрын
Just put coaches somewhere the players can't see or hear them. Easy. Then, the various tours, depending on funding, can decide if computerized information on a tablet should be made available for the players to consult on their own. For fair play, make sure both players are given the same set of information, and let their individual decisions about what to reference and study during allowed breaks to become a new form of player expression.
@AndgodcreatedTrystaBC
@AndgodcreatedTrystaBC 7 ай бұрын
The title had me worried it was ball tampering or something but mid game coaching is truly horrendous behaviour and completely unacceptable. It should only be aloud to happen in every other sport. This makes me so upset to know how corrupt and deeply ingrained this pure unfiltered cheating is and how long it has been bringing the sport to its knees. I could never enjoy another game knowing how much a tennis player is completely puppeted secretly by their coach....power, reflexes, speed, mental strength all hidden in covert gestures. Where do you even go from here?!?
@ZebRL
@ZebRL 9 ай бұрын
Great, well made video man!
@randomcon123
@randomcon123 9 ай бұрын
If people are serious about cheating, they should really take a good look at the doping rules right now. It’s far too easy to cheat with the use of TUEs… which is why we often see so many players who are seemingly always plagued by injuries but somehow never miss certain part of the season and we turn a blind eye to this phenomenon. Heck many sad fans ever celebrate these players and their supposedly warrior spirit. Yeah right… but real injuries do not exhibit any seasonal trends. For such an intensive sport, tennis seems to have attracted and increasing number of players with real frail heart conditions but miraculously they are able to compete for three to four, sometimes even five long hours. Maybe some tennis players really are built differently But yeah, get serious about the prevalent doping problem that has been in the sport and ban the use of TUE. Injuries are sadly part and parcel of any sport and we shouldn’t give anyone a shortcut
@snipaboy86
@snipaboy86 7 ай бұрын
absolutely love the dropping Bernie Tomic's face into this video. that is beautiful work. made my f**king evening that
@agranero6
@agranero6 4 ай бұрын
Lets remember something worse than coaching: even Federer asked his mother to not go to the matches because of her loud way to root or him and complain. I am so relieved that this rule was ditched so we can concentrate in tennis at last. In bridge championships the illegal communication was blocked by using a curtain between pairs of players, if ATP and WTA didn't really wanted coaching it was just put the coaches inside a booth). And sorry but sport is made of inequality: nobody goes to see the 300th rank player (except their relatives and compatriots in case there are few players in the country): they go to see Djokovic. Those top tier players are what pay the bills of tennis. And sometimes we see surprises coming from nowhere, each time more newcomers shining. So let's cut the inequality bullshit: what do we want? All matches end on a tie like tic-tac-toe? This is why tic-tac-toe is boring because anyone can master it. That is why we have sponsors, everybody want to be the sponsor of the next Nadal. The change of rules that I didn't like was the 30 seconds time for serving it was a ritual that created a beautiful tension ... now we have a lot of serving time violations that take time too.
@chasepalagi7675
@chasepalagi7675 2 ай бұрын
10:59 an exchange of words between/amoung two or more people. (Pretty straightforward)
@richardchang5085
@richardchang5085 9 ай бұрын
The next step... performance-enhancing drugs will be allowed for anyone ranked 50 and higher. Jokes aside, this is a well researched video. Sad to see tennis heading in this direction. As with other pro sports, money talks.
@Lorenzo1972.
@Lorenzo1972. 9 ай бұрын
They shouldn’t have made this change. Mental toughness is a huge part of tennis in the past. This will not be as important in the future - and that’s too bad.
@mashizzung9911
@mashizzung9911 9 ай бұрын
Coaching is so lame. Players are responsible for their own performances.
@Heilzmaker
@Heilzmaker 9 ай бұрын
I don't watch tennis or play it. but to me it seems like the main flaw are the lower ranked players being unable to travel with coaches. I'd perfer to see a system where if one player doesn't play with (IE you can choose even if the coach is on site) a coach the other one can't either. (i'm thinking of mid match coaching because that just seems the most natural and least weird). This type of system could make the games more interesting from an strategic point of view, as if one player is very reliant on his coach. simply choosing to not have that coach would put a more interesting spin on things. how to enforce no coaching? well i don't know tennis much but worst case scenario just put them in the basement or something, or a 1 way mirror
@antoniozuazo7918
@antoniozuazo7918 9 ай бұрын
Do a video on David nalbandian
@gcswift2
@gcswift2 7 ай бұрын
I think the simple answer is to give the players the Ipad with the hawkeye data. During breaks they can see what's working (or Not) and make decisions from there. They can even leave reminders to themselves.
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