Why China and the US are prepared to go to war over Taiwan | Rana Mitter

Conflict between China and the United States is widely considered to be the Cold War of the 21st century. But why is Taiwan so important, and who will come out on top?
Rana Mitter is a professor of history and politics in modern China at the University of Oxford, and says previous tactics deployed by the United States against the Soviet Union might not work against China.
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[@rialobran]

If you want Rana to appear again, get him a carpenter for more shelves, or at the very least a safety helmet. That's a Jenga tower waiting to topple.

[@noahway13]

Yeah, a big truck rumbling by would be his demise.

[@Seminal_Ideas]

Haha that's brilliant. Those shelves do look overloaded.

[@user-wz2zw8wq2p]

Very funny. Typical academic office. You know there are stacks of books on the floor too 😂

[@leunisvandewege9651]

😅

[@TomorrowWeLive]

My room'll pribably look like that when I get to his age

[@josephtaylor6285]

Where have you guys been hiding Rana Mitter? I’d gladly watch a few more long interviews with him.

[@CleoKawisha-sy5xt]

he needs to add a few more billy bookcases

[@Andrew-rc3vh]

He is the only accurate person on China I've seen in the British MSM. By the way, he should know there are Oxford physics graduates working for Huawei in China.

[@josephtaylor6285]

@@Andrew-rc3vh I’m curious Andrew, are these Oxford grads of Chinese descent or English, do you know?

[@Andrew-rc3vh]

@@josephtaylor6285 English. I caught an interview with one of them. He was enjoying himself doing fundamental physics research in lab over there.

[@janesoole703]

Brill interview - I've learnt so much. And feel, oddly enough, less worried about the world (for a moment, no doubt). More please from Rana Mitter. Jane Soole, Dorset, England.

[@packageism]

First class interview. Great conversation

[@chelseaananda2831]

I like this reporter very much . She tries to see different perspectives, has thoughtful, informed questions and interesting guests. Thank you!! 🌺🙏🌺

[@calebhollen5316]

Biased

[@Andrew-rc3vh]

Times Radio has never actually interviewed a Chinese person in all the time I've been watching it.

[@household6098]

That's because Times radio is nothing more than propaganda aimed at getting people all emotional about something.

[@kongchan437]

Dont need to interview one single chinese person. Need to see the news and reporting of multiple news media, social media inside china, video of chinese communist party secret police beating up news reporters ( chinese and foreign ) and the demise of the Hong Kong's legal system and even the recent big flooding with so many dead bodies found by people leaked out to outside media after the ccp cover up...to kbow what the true feeling of the chinese people being suppressed and threatened to shut up

[@danbower88]

Great interview. Very insightful. Many thanks to Rana!

[@richardwalker4966]

What a great speaker such a grip on the issues

[@KhelderB]

Excellent, level-headed interview!

[@gus2747]

This guy is good.

[@Quint1975]

his knowledge has been greatly expedited.

[@zodjenkins2595]

Making the subtle, obvious, thats a precarious business but Rana has negotiated this masterfully 👍

[@terencegamble4548]

Lots of interesting views and perspectives from Rana Mitter, and very clearly articulated, Thank you.

[@AnP865]

I love this interviewer, she has great questions and thinks on her feet

[@Alex88148]

‘So you know, like, Taiwan yeah? Kinda like, got like, resources and like chips yeah? Innit bruv’

[@jacobconnor2168]

What's great about this interview is that the interviewer gave the guest the stage

[@richardwalker4966]

Very clear analysis to my mind

[@user-lk4zn6rl5q]

Great analysis

[@davorinrusevljan6440]

Kissinger created half of that mess. And he is still going strong about it

[@josephtaylor6285]

And getting a lot of it wrong

[@stephenconnolly3018]

At the time Kissinger was seen as a great man but now we can see him for what he was.

[@chicaecho]

he got it completely WRONG I'm afraid

[@FirstLast-yw2wu]

Imo, the US is dependent on China. Think about every product made in China that arrives to the US. It's not a very pleasant thought.

[@brianhind6149]

Rana is a superb addition to your slate of reporters. First class, & well worth listening to. Well done !

[@lilyinthevalley8046]

Rana is a mouthpiece and is bought. Nothing new. Same old tactic of US/UK.

[@AmericanOpinion]

How can I get a job interviewing people at times? Doesn’t seem that hard

[@noahway13]

She don't even interact. Seems like she has a list of pre-packaged questions.

[@Seminal_Ideas]

I was thinking that too. It's as if she's reading a list of questions, very few comebacks. And the bedding piled up in the corner?.

[@brianwarden7250]

Great Analysis. Although, I am concerned about his shelving.

[@gloriahoulihan8717]

Micro chip factories can be moved. Technicians may be flexible in their requirements if given incentives.

[@ianmclaren9721]

I remain skeptical about anyone who mentions the war criminal,Kissinger, in the positive.

[@robertmoyse4414]

This was a great interview about so much more than the clickbait title. Why has TR taken to doing that?

[@ebaystars]

getting clicks? duh ??

[@zeissiez]

1. In 1894, Japan invaded China and Korea, the Qing govt of China was defeated and signed the [Treaty of Shimonoseki] to cede Taiwan Island to Japan. 2. During the WW2, at the Cairo Conference held in 1943, China requested the transfer of Taiwan's sovereignty back to China after the war. This content was included in the [Cairo Declaration] and later reiterated in the [Potsdam Proclamation] that it should be implemented. 3. On 14 Aug & 2 Sept 1945, the Emperor and govt of Japan issued the [End War Edict] and [Japanese Instrument of Surrender] respectively, Japan surrendered and accepted the [Potsdam Proclamation]. The Japanese troops in Taiwan surrendered to KMT General Chiang Kai-Shek, Taiwan re-entered the territory of the Republic of China (ROC). 4. Soon after that China civil war broke out between KMT and CPC, the KMT was defeated and fled to Taiwan. However, due to US's intervention, the CPC without a strong navy at that time has no ability to unify Taiwan. The CPC then established the People's Republic of China (PRC) in 1949. Since then, both sides constitutionally claimed itself being the legitimate government of China, which consisted of Mainland China+Taiwan Island in its entirety. 5. In 1971, UN Resolution No. 2758 ruled that the PRC had obtained the representation rights and all legal rights originally owned by the ROC in the UN. That means the PRC is China's only legal govt under international law, and today the PRC also become China's only legal govt recognized by 180 countries around the world, including the USA. "The USA recognizes the Government of the PRC as the sole legal Government of China. Within this context, the people of the USA will maintain cultural, commercial, and other unofficial relations with the people of Taiwan." Joint Cummunique on the Establishment of Diplomatic relations between the PRC and the USA (16th December 1978). As such, the ROC has no more embassy in America, UK, France, Japan, Germany, Italy, etc, and they were replaced by PRC embassies in these countries. 6. Therefore, according to international laws, international diplomatic reality, and the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the combined 1.4 billion people from both sides, the PRC has every rights to protect its sovereign integrity. To demonstrate how legitimate China’s claim of sovereignty in Taiwan, think about this: It’s more legitimate than the three Baltic countries’ territorial claims: Most of the republics of the former Soviet Union signed the Alma-Ata Declaration, which clarified the boundaries of the signatory countries and thus effective under international law. The three Baltic states Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania did not sign the Almaty Declaration. Moreover, they declared their independence before the disintegration of the Soviet Union, and they did not sign confirmation documents with the Soviet Union at that time. If no one disputes the territorial claims of the Baltic states, why there’re disputes in China’s rights over Taiwan? 7. Today, the government in Taiwan is no more than remnants of China’s former government. There’s zero difference if in 1949 the remnants had fled for Jiangxi, Jiangsu or Hunan, instead of Taiwan. They are all a part of China in exactly the same way. They did not automatically become another country just because the remnants fled there. If some remnants of the China former government had fled to the United States, would the United States have become the ROC as well? 8. Taiwan has never been an independent country by itself, NEVER, in any history records. Yes, Taiwanese have their own passports, but Hong Kong and Macao people have their own passports too, but they are still a part of China. If Catalonians decides to print their own passports today, that doesn’t mean Catalonia is an independent country tomorrow. 9. If Taiwan decides to go for independence, just like Catalonia or Scotland is trying to, it’s all China’s domestic matter. It has nothing to do with other countries. But the US has been sending billions worth of arm weapons to Taiwan. In 1962, the US sent missiles to Turkey & Italy, and in response, the USSR sent missiles to Cuba, and the Cuban Missile Crisis broke out. World Superpowers never allowed another country sending strategic arm weapons CLOSE to their borders, let alone WITHIN its regions like the US is doing to Taiwan which is WITHIN China. The PRC has been EXTREMELY patient with Taiwan govt: As long as Taiwan doesn’t declare independence, Mainland China has been at peace with it. 10. The PRC makes no secret of the desire for an eventual reunification, but it prefers to do it in a peaceful way. In China’s school text books, Taiwanese are called “compatriots”. Mainland China is Taiwan’s biggest importer of Taiwanese products. There are hundreds of thousands of Taiwanese working in Mainland China. Mainland China has been working on reunification with Taiwan through trades, notably the “Three Direct Links” initiatives. At one stage, under Taiwan leader Ma Ying-Jeou, Mainland and Taiwan were very close. The US noticed that trend and covertly supported the DPP to gain power. The US also orchestrated the Sunflower Student Movement in 2014, to sabotage the Cross-Strait Service Trade Agreement (CSSTA). Since The US puppet Tsai Ying-Wen came into office, separatism has been the main theme. It’s an open secret that Taiwan is America’s trump card over China when China catches up to the US’ economy, just like how America knocked Japan into 3 decades of stagnancy (Plaza Accord agreements) after Japan’s economy was catching up fast with America. The Anglo-America Empire has been using the “divide-and-conquer” tactics throughout histories. For example, Iran-Iraq, Iran-Saudi, Serbia-Kosovo, Russia-Ukraine, Europe-Russia, India-China, Mainland China-Taiwan, India-Pakistan, Gaddafi-NTC, Maduro-Guaido, Putin-Navalny, Al Assad-The Kurds, Al Bashir-South Sudan and many more. The DPP banned media in Taiwan which favor reunification, and created propagandas against Mainland China so that the young Taiwanese dislike Mainland China. Pelosi visited Taiwan in Aug 2022 against sternest warning from Beijing, to provoke a Chinese civil war, after which Mainland China surrounded Taiwan with battleships. In Apr 2023, McCathy’s acceptance of Tsai’s official visit to the USA, further escalated tension across the straights. 11. The US forced Taiwan to setup a TSMC plant in Arizona, scheduled to complete by 2024. This effectively robbed the crown jewel of Taiwan’s economy, which contributes to over 30% of Taiwan’s GDP. After the completion of the TSMC plant in Arizona, the US could even sabotage TSMC factories in Taiwan, to control world’s chip production, just like how the US sabotaged Nord Stream pipelines to control energy supply to Europe. After which, Taiwan will be even more dependent on agricultural export to China. The US is not helping Taiwan, its only interests are: Selling weapons to Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Australia and getting them to fight a proxy war against China in Taiwan, just like how it’s using EU countries to fight a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine. And to steal TSMC over to the US before Taiwan is destroyed.

[@Stephanie_12345]

Your analysis is excellent.

[@nhatuphong1579]

"During the WW2, at the Cairo Conference held in 1943, China requested the transfer of Taiwan's sovereignty back to China after the war" -> From who, you can't request the thing you don't have in the future. KMT took over Taiwan from Japan and so the gov elected by their people still has all rights to claim their position of Taiwan in the world now. PRC has no control or right on Taiwanese decision.

[@zeissiez]

@@nhatuphong1579 Point 3 explains it. Furthermore, The 1943 Cairo Declaration and the 1945 Potsdam Declaration stated that the "Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the islands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku", not even including Ryukyu.

[@nhatuphong1579]

@zeissiez Bro trying to prove nothing as long as Taiwanese people are calling out their land Taiwan to express their saying that they are independent from China and no want to intergrate with the same Chinese social system at all.

[@zeissiez]

@@nhatuphong1579 i wish I have all the money in the bank next to my house. But that’s illegal.

[@JM-gj7de]

I'm active duty U.S. Navy (27 years). I can hardly wait to give my life so that TSMC shareholders can earn a quarter-point in their portfolios. Uggghhhh...

[@williamppl3624]

Taiwanese actually want to stick to the status quo. The USA keeps pushing for it.

[@weiminglu5331]

I am a reader of Rana's book 《Forgotten Ally - China's WWII》from Taiwan. Would like to listen more from Rana on China & Taiwan.

[@imperatorvespasian3125]

most empires lash out when they fall, and as the sun sets on western power the beast writhes in anger and bitterness

[@stephenconnolly3018]

You watch to much you tube.

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

How is it any less valid to say the same of china?

[@Stephanie_12345]

I agree.

[@lako8368]

@@sernoddicusthegallant6986 China is a developing country, while the US is declining

[@agtsmith87]

Good interview, but one big mistake was that the fine print on almost every BRI investment meant that if said country couldn't pay back the loans, China would own said investments and more.

[@stephenconnolly3018]

There where several mistakes that I spotted not very good.

[@toi_techno]

All of those "deeds" would be nul and void if China started a serious war This alone will keep the useless thugs in Beijing in their sad little second-world box

[@khtan585]

Is the loan from the World Bank free from such clauses like the mortgages in UK??

[@agtsmith87]

@khtan585 for the most part, yes. For example, forget the time and country, but a while back that did happen somewhere in South America. The WB/IMF loan was default so they came back with something like "ok, we'll take 5% off the revenue from some mine". Think it was a copper mine. So are the wb and imf angels, heck no, but at least reasonable to deal with. Or they would extend the loan for 10 more years at lower interest, etc.

[@khtan585]

@@agtsmith87 it was a mirage of a dream once upon a time

[@ambition112]

0:00: 🌏 The fate of Taiwan is a contentious issue due to its historical background, values gap with mainland China, and concerns about security and resources. 4:52: 🌏 The US-China tensions over Taiwan are escalating, leading to concerns of a new Cold War. 9:53: 💼 China relies on its own resources, including its formidable military and economic power, to prevent other countries from getting involved in a conflict with the United States. 14:03: 🌍 China's influence in the global South is based on economic deals and technological influence rather than an ideological agenda, allowing countries to align with China without adopting liberal democracy norms. 18:47: 🌍 China's overseas investment strategy has been reigned in due to failed investments and lack of cultural sensitivity, while democracies have been struggling to advertise their qualities. 23:10: 🌍 The Democratic world is not putting its best foot forward, making it harder to argue that democracy produces better results and governance. 27:31: 🌍 The possibility of military confrontation in the Pacific is a major concern, but preventing it is a top priority for global policymakers. Recap by Tammy AI

[@mattchew5965]

Fighting, instead of collaborating for the wellness of the planet and people, leaves neither country on top.

[@Leadbelly.]

The United States has never won a war without allied support, so they will be dragging everyone they can into this.

[@caryscats5346]

So what's the answer ??

[@linmal2242]

This guy should debate Peter Zeihan. It would be very interesting.

[@sewnsew6770]

Zeihan is disconnected from reality. Wild imagination

[@jerryrichardson2799]

I've got books by this guy.

[@johnjames4681]

Taiwan is a small island. Much smaller than I thought.

[@Truthseeker12332]

Outsider should stay of China’s family affair!

[@caveman-zd5yv]

The question every news outlet should really be asking is what happens to the world economy if china invades Taiwan? If the people of the world knew they would stop it

[@bernardedwards8461]

What happened to the world economy when Japan invaded S.E.Asia and Germany invaded Russia?

[@stephenglover1818]

no the question that people should be asking is when are we going to hold the US accountable for it's intervention, stop thinking like a Western person, China doesn't want to invade Taiwan and the US being in the South China Sea only antagonizes China, just in the same way the US antagonized Russia by backing the coup in ukraine in 2014 and they next we will hear from them that they are fighting for democracy

[@bernardedwards8461]

@@stephenglover1818 US ha a right to sail thro the S.China Sea, just as China and Russia have a right to sail thro the English Channel, and sometimes do.

[@besarlim781]

​@@bernardedwards8461ya. Do you have the right to spy into the house of your distant neighbour. Sending your spy drone and walkinh around with your guns Many people can think. We understand half truth.

[@kongchan437]

Even without invasion of taiwan tge ccp has done way too much crimes against humanity and damage of lives and families around the world to justify the world to boycott it and brings the criminal chinese communism party to world court

[@brunoheggli2888]

I am at the top!

[@midimusicforever]

Gotta step up and show China that it's not worth trying!

[@Andrew-rc3vh]

Like Times Radio have done with Russia eh?

[@terryl858]

Tywan is China always will be Chinese before America existed

[@walkandcamera]

Expert: "Chinese history begins in 1949" NOT!

[@terryl858]

The pure ignorance is astounding seems history is forgotten for Americans

[@MTIStudiosFinancialServi-ko9ec]

Peter Zeihan says it doesn't matter. The Chinese are experiencing a demographic timebomb, and they have about 10 years.

[@kamwaichan8048]

Is nothing to do with all the advance chips or about the lithograph machines, China has always claims Taiwan as part of China in the 1949

[@Evemeister12]

PR China and taiwan aren't separate nations, they are run by parallel governments who BOTH claim to be the sole representative of one China. This isn't a question of one wanting independence from the other.

[@roberttaylor5997]

Taiwanese governments haven't claimed that for very long time.

[@sociolocomtsac]

One party in Taiwan claims that. Current government never did.

[@bobsmith3983]

@@roberttaylor5997 The Taiwan constitution states that Taiwan is part of China but only considers the ROC government at the legitimate government of all of China. There is no dispute in China, Taiwan and 95% of the members of the UN about Taiwan being part of China.

[@bobsmith3983]

@@sociolocomtsac The DPP's opinion is irrelevant as the Taiwan constitution says that Taiwan is part of China.

[@roberttaylor5997]

@@bobsmith3983 They can't change that part of the ROC constitution, much as they would like to, because Beijing has made it clear that it would regard it as a formal declaration of independence and therefore a reason for war.

[@catfordprepper]

The most sophisticated chips are made in Catford. Double cooked in lard, with 100 % truffle oil (only a drop or two).

[@ebaystars]

naff off the best are in Brighton and for extra 40p they wrap them in the evening Argus newpaper (I said "Argus")

[@theoracle9873]

What right has the US to be prepped for war with China over China' s own province - this should be The QUESTION. Does the US not recognise that Taiwan and China is one country? The mere talk about the US going to war is disgusting to the bone.

[@christinegruber3533]

Christmas gift for Vicky Nuland?

[@Dude-vb4ul]

It's time to stop preparing for war and to make the first strike let's liberate those Chinese Unfortunats with a Little-good old American freedom

[@sumdude4281]

CCP can surrender at any point and hand control to the rightful government in Taipei. If they really want to be united...

[@roberttaylor5997]

Your idea is about 40 years out of date. Almost no-one in Taiwan wants that, or thinks it would have any legitimacy. Yes, Taiwan's (ROC) constitution still claims the whole territory of China, but that is because Beijing has made it clear that amending that part of the constitution would be seen as a formal declaration of independence and therefore a reason for war.

[@SoapboxFella]

And there are plenty of people in Taiwan who would be happy to. They just don’t say it loudly or dare hope.

[@bobsmith3983]

CCP can surrender but nothing would happen as the CPC is the party that runs mainland China. There is no such entity as the CCP. Get your facts straight.

[@user-st9zk9yc1s]

Compared to most other scholars based in western countries, Rana Mitter knows well about the modern history of China, especially its history from 1840s. Therefore he is more neutral than others. I think the biggest problem for the West is that they know little about the history (They forgot it). More importantly, Chinese people on average know more about the western world than they know about China. Even worse, people in western countries got lots of misunderstandings about China, and even refuse to get to know about it and understand it. In China, lots of youths know well about the world and its history in general. Frankly speaking, youths in western courtries are not Chinese youths' match.

[@patrickt49]

Did it ever occur to you that the Western world does not know enough about China because the CCP wants it that way? You're talking about a country that constantly stokes xenophobia and nationalism while simultaneously putting a "friendly" front towards the international community because they want investment from foreigners. What interest would they gain by showing China's "real face"? Absolutely nothing. So they have to keep up the fake façade in order for them to manipulate others and get what they want. Problem is the veil has already been pulled and their true face is now shown for the whole world to see. And nobody including the Chinese themselves like what's on full display. That's why they spend so much time and resources on propaganda and damage control. It's just all lies and deception.

[@kongchan437]

And you think the chinese youths understands the true picture of western democratic countries ? You never seen news ( even with the recent two weeks', if you do not know about the older years of 1950 60 70 80 90s and even current days, how the ccp filter censor news to lie to the chinese people pitting USA ( who has helped china into WTO, helped china fought against the japanese invasion, helped china to established china's top university etc ) as the devil, while glorifying USSR ( who has killed many chinese at border invasion and took away landmass about 28 times of size of taiwan ) as the ccp's closest ally.

[@Ufthak]

I bet you’re not even aware how far your comment is a reflection of nationalism and a fragile ego.

[@waynegore5291]

Anglo-Saxon is always at top. But the time is gone forever.

[@andrewwatson6913]

If this interviewer would avoid using the phrases 'you know', 'sort of' and 'kind of' it would make much less irritating listening.

[@josephtaylor6285]

It’s an American disease I’m afraid. At least she didn’t say, “like…like”; at least that burr has been combed out of her speech.

[@johnlacey3857]

The guest was very interesting. The host was so anti-American pro-China it was ridiculous and embarrassing.

[@pikachus5m166]

If Harry Enfield and Denholm Elliott had a child ...

[@TimesFM4532]

Hope god forbid a war breaks out Britain supports the Taiwans people

[@allencameron3419]

Do we .? I don’t remember being asked and what does support mean ? I certainly don’t support send my countrymen thousands of miles to die for something that’s not our business, I

[@vanessali1365]

UK is part of the free world, in alliance with all democratic countries in the world. We will support Taiwan if it's attacked by CCP.

[@osric1730]

@@allencameron3419 Geo-politics is your business whether you like it or not. If you try to ignore it it will find you regardless.

[@allencameron3419]

@@osric1730 Taiwan is a long way from the UK I think we will sit this one out

[@dpelpal]

@@allencameron3419 We could end up laughing at China as much as Russia trying to invade Ukraine lol. Russia is now the world''s joke army...."Kyiv in THREEE DAYYYYS!" didn't work out so well for old man putin

[@cookiejar01]

This idea of technocracy is not new and is not Chinese. That's classic communism! Most of the USSR governments were technocratic, and 89% of Politburo members under Brezhnev were engineers. This type of governance has clearly been a failure, perhaps with the exception of Singapore, but it gives dictatorships all over the world an excuse for their concentration of power.

[@FirstLast-yw2wu]

445 comments and I can only see 5. Smh

[@badwolftx2139]

China can "invade" Taiwan territory any day, any time with kayaks and slingshots and there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do about it. Kinmen County is 5km from the mainland.

[@bearpolo3618]

People saying US and China will go to war because of Taiwan just don't understand what's really going on between US and China. There is no way US would fight with China for Taiwan. US will fight for its own interests, not for others, period. In addition, US does not have any advantage vs China militarily when fighting near China, almost guaranteed to lose. Why would US have a war knowing it's most likely to lose? Just FYI, China just tested the DF-27 hitting a moving target in South China Sea at the speed of 15 Mach on Aug. 5th.

[@Ufthak]

It is in US interests to keep their Asian allies on their side and in their economic orbit. Plus semiconductors, at least for now Taiwan is still critical for the semiconductor supply chain. In fact the US has very little economic and political interest in Ukraine when compared to Taiwan, and yet it has been the biggest supporter of the Ukrainian war effort for 18 months. Global superpowers don’t act like regional ones.

[@bearpolo3618]

@@Ufthak You don't see what happened to Europe and the geopolitical impact? Do you know how much industrial capital moved from Europe to US? Who made the money from the war? Not people, the oil and gas companies and military industrial complex of US.

[@joshkhor]

Taiwan should only look ŵhat happened to Ukraine. Are the Chinese in Taiwan prepared to pay the heavy price for America to use Taiwan as a battlefield like Ukraine?

[@ch0wned]

She could have done a lot better here... I mean, I'm being intensely charitable when I say this. Interviewer comes across as wildly unprepared.

[@gerardgallagher4427]

Uk giving back Hong Kong with assurances that it would keep its identity. Well we know how well what happened to that assurance. 😢

[@bobsmith3983]

Hong Kong has changed as it is a lot safer now and is devoid of foreign interference.

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

@@bobsmith3983 Yeah its a lot safer as long as you unquestioningly obey everything xinnie the pooh says

[@bernardedwards8461]

Xi Jinping wants the unification of the two Chinas to be his legasy. Can he afford to leave the matter on ice for anothr ten years? He is 70 already and most men never see their 80th birthday. Those that do are usually suffering from the infirmitie of old age. There is no record of an 80-yr-old dictator suffering from Altzheimers, heart problems and arthritis starting a major war, so if Xi wnts to unite the two Chinas he needs to do it soon. The Pentagon believes that the invasion of Taiwan wil come in 2027 or sooner. Why do you think Xi has amassed the largest armed forces the world has ever seen? His navy far outnumbers the US navy and grows larger every year. N.Korea is a Chinese ally, but is not a naval power, neither is Pakistan.

[@chokwoo5720]

As a native of South East Asia, living sometimes in US , and Europe now, I often applaud how little Westerners knew anything about China, China has a long tradition of egalitarian culture, unlike Western monotheistic culture, Chinese believe all human being are equal, that's why China never colonized Southeast Asia or india when China could

[@patrickt49]

China is not egalitarian lol. Men are valued more than women. Why do you think they have preference for boys over girls? You know about China because you're Chinese. And what you're saying is not true by any stretch. And you've obviously been fed cultural propaganda that's never ever been true by either your parents or others in your community. Talk to others in Asia about China, they won't have anything good to say. I'm also from Southeast Asia and the sentiment a lot of people have towards China isn't a good one. Stereotypes don't exist in a vacuum and although not all Chinese exhibit these traits a lot of them are known for being brash, arrogant, loud, rude, mean spirited AND chauvinistic. By the way, what you said about China not colonizing Southeast Asia isn't true either. They've tried in the past but failed. Just look into the histories of these countries if you don't believe me. Vietnam easily comes to mind even before the Vietnamese war. They couldn't colonize any other country not because they chose not to, it's because they couldn't. So stop tooting your own horn. You're not as powerful as you think. That's another typical "trait" that a lot of Chinese people like you share: overestimation of one's perceived abilities and one's race.

[@kongchan437]

Are you kidding ? From ancient china's day of imperialism upto current days' chinese communism single party monopoly now turned single person dictatorship, none of those are based on equality between common people and the ruling class. No single country is perfect but china takes the cake of distorted rule of laws...which is suppose to be equally applied to all people but the fact is the ccp is above the law the ccp itself established without the common people's involvement, let alone with people's approval.

[@chokwoo5720]

@@patrickt49 Your message just sound like a propaganda from Western media, pulling something from the air, repeat millions time and call them truth??? If you understand Chinese, you will be surprised that in the Chinese language there are no equivalent words for obedience in English, genetically hierarchy structure is to be dismantle , monotheistic religion which promotes hierarchy never flourish among Chinese, China did invade Vietnam and rule Vietnam for over a thousand years, but not colonization

[@Sp1tfire100]

Wat? The natives of Taiwan looked like philippinos. History of china is history of colonizations and genocides

[@ebaystars]

fascinating until he gobbed on the camera at 27:55, he shouldnt say "profound" any more unless he is 4 meters away from the camera using a zoom lense

[@stellifriends7785]

military aggression often occurs becsue the aggressor does not anticipate a forceful response.

[@RunOfTheHind]

Semiconductors.

[@bobsmith3983]

Integrated circuits.

[@DavidWilliams-DSW558]

Are microchips actually found in Taiwan, or are they made there?

[@bobsmith3983]

Evidently they grow on trees there. The microchips are fabricated in factories there.

[@DavidWilliams-DSW558]

@@bobsmith3983 😂

[@dannypolsky1581]

Taiwan is belong to its motherland China and not US . Amen . No further discussion about that !

[@chrisbea49]

think that's the first time I've ever heard someone say "stoosh"

[@stephenconnolly3018]

Russia build missile base on Cuba because USA build one in Turkey first. There was linked economics in Europe prier to WW1. The British bought some of the fuses used in it's naval guns from Germany and after the war started they would sell them to the British somewhat more important than not being able buy a old German car.

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

I know Britain was buying the majority of the nitro glycerin from Germany before WW1 despite the relationship between the two deteriorating and Germany must have known it was being used in munitions. Hence the shell crisis in the winter of 1914 . Apparently there was illegal trading via Sweden, wars are often bankers wars Also Britain's share of trade on the global free market (not within the closed empire privilege) was declining in favour of Germany which was aggravating tensions

[@batuapi4340]

The US is hoping to outsource the fighting to its colonies of South Korea, Japan and a lesser extend the Phillipines.

[@Hossak]

Ummm no they are not ffs.

[@johna.anderson922]

This segment is brought to you by the US/UK-NATO-CIA-MI6-lockheedMartin-Raytheon-Northrop-GeneralDynamics non-profit alliance.

[@lilyinthevalley8046]

At 0.36 he said "China didn't conquer Taiwan." THAT is a lie. Taiwan was part of China long before WWI and WWII. Get the history right before you give your lecture in history. China don't need to conquer Taiwan when the world was in WWII because Taiwan ALREADY IS PART OF CHINA. Chiang Kai Shek got defeated and fled to the island of Taiwan to escape being killed for his treason and collaboration with foreigners against China. Chiang Kai Shek was the leader of a military branch called "The Republic of China". But this branch was ousted so he fled for his life and went to a Chinese island called Taiwan island, which is part of China. The Communist Party who ousted Chiang Kai Shek and his party at the time were faced with many tasks to bring the nation together against foreign invasions. So the Communist Party had to make the choice of letting Chiang Kai Shek remain in isolation on the island and deal with him at a later stage. But China and the International stage knew this even during WWII. Taiwan is in fact an unfinished issue that China had to deal with all along. That man is spreading lies to brainwash the west and US with their propaganda and false narratives. Evil to the end. Who is America and what makes them think they can just meddle with other nations' matters and leave them in destruction, death, pain and suffering!!! America and all its allies are in chaos to near bankruptcy themselves. Why don't you deal with your country's own drug problems, homelessness, run down cities and failing infrastructures failing health care systems etc; before you step on other nation's sovereign matters. Everywhere America and her allies go, they leave behind a trail of death, starvation, war related syndrome sicknesses, amputees, orphans, etc. God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob remembers all your evil deeds. Revelation already prophesied what Yeshua will do to "Mystery, Babylon the Great Harlot". What makes a "Harlot"? Why did God called her "a Harlot". "........I remembered her crimes." "I will split her into three parts." Revelation 17-19. Yeshua = Salvation, Prince of Peace, Lion of Judah. What has America and its allies do to bring peace on earth. Almighty God had blessed you but you have repaid Him with a spit and a slap on His face!!! You shall put on sackclothes and ashes on your face and head and sit in street corners. Perhaps then the punishment God has for you may be delayed. Learn the parable of the vineyard. So that you may not get trampled outside of His everlasting protection. For He is truly the PRINCE OF PEACE=SAR SHALOM.

[@Bawdale]

In Jan 2024 Taiwan will vote out the current Taiwanese government. The current rhetoric will then be redundant thank god.

[@thelordjesuschrist666]

Who's at the top? The Pope. 😂

[@ronaldmarcks1842]

China deserves to be reunified...as soon as *everyone* commits to authentic multi-party elections. The kleptocracy and gross negligence of the CCP over the past 74 years is appalling.

[@roberttaylor5997]

Whether the Taiwanese want it or not?

[@ronaldmarcks1842]

@@roberttaylor5997 I think the Taiwanese simply want the guarantee of fairness, something the CCP clearly can't provide.

[@briandbeaudin9166]

Why? What for? Taiwan seems to be prosperous as an independent entity. The CCP ruins everything good.

[@mimiphuc]

You are wrong. China government has done alot for its own people. Went from a poor agrarian country to be the second economy in the world, in a mere 40 years. Never done in human history. Read history and Facts.

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

@@mimiphuc And all it costed was a few million starved

[@laifongleng4414]

This arbitration of the Taiwan status in the international arena has going on for some quite time. Actually the Taiwan issue has been determined after the second world war. The constant twisting of this piece of international and national laws into the opposite interpretation by this analysis is regretable and bad faith.

[@user-tj3pw5rd3t]

Is it China seas and Taiwan are near to USA Territory Like Hawaii is? Let's measured in miles, then give Taiwan if its near USA to Them. is it Taiwan strait belongs to Taiwan? Or is it China's strait, China's Seas before Invasions of Japan and England to China? Even Taiwan Island belongs to China.

[@adminomhfoz1908]

Automobiles which century is this guy from

[@crose7412]

@adminomhfoz1908 He was born in the 20th century and now lives in the 21st century. Americans will often say "automobile accident" (not that Rana Mitter is American).

[@Ghayme-changer]

Times Radio agitprop for the sheep 🐑🐑🐏

[@user-zp8sp4hj3d]

Nope. Taiwan was where the American backed Chinese government in exile fled to. Since that day, the US has recognized Taiwan as an independent entity from China. Stop misinforming people, or study your American/ Chinese history before acting like an expert!

[@thomasd4738]

Oxford/Harvard professor or internet rando. Gosh, who to believe?

[@mimiphuc]

WRONG. US recognizes Taiwan as part of China, as well as 180 countries in the world. Stop your disinformation. Do your research. Don't be lazy

[@bobsmith3983]

Wrong. The USA during the Nixon administration agreed and signed documents that declared that the USA recognizes that there is only one China, that Taiwan is part of China and the PRC government (the CPC) is the legitimate ruling party of China. All the members of the UN recognize that fact. So there is no dispute except in the imaginations of the DPP.

[@heroesofwar]

Lot's of flushing ... pretty embarrasing!

[@bmunson4920]

I don’t China being able to competently project power far beyond its shores.

[@user-dl4ri2bu7r]

LAW-AY LAW-AY ni xi jinping!!! 😂😂😂

[@unelectedleader6494]

China and Russia are like kidnappers. “She’ll learn to love me!” Or! You could just be more lovable.

[@mimiphuc]

And the Us is the Mafia. What if China sends government offiilas to talk to deparatists groups in Puerto Rico. And offer them weapons. Not selling, but for Free. US sell weapons to Taiwan, crossing Chinas red line, but still do it. US recognizes Taiwan as part of China, and still sell weapons to Taiwan. Isn't that what Mafia does ?

[@AdaLovelace-nc3vi]

I dunno, winne the poo is adorable 😂

[@IliyaOsnovikov]

China and Russia are trying to return what's rightfully theirs.

[@sociolocomtsac]

@@AdaLovelace-nc3vi Every kettle has a lid! 😉

[@lako8368]

The US supported a coup d'état in Ukraine in 2014. The Donbass region, seeing the ensuing anti-Russian surge of extreme Ukrainian nationalism, declared independence from Ukraine on the same year. Russia, being its neighbor and being culturally and historically tied to these regions, tried to resolve the conflict diplomatically via 2 landmark agreements: The first, and later second, Minks agreements. These were co-signed by Germany and France, as international "watchdogs", to guarantee that Ukraine would fulfill the obligations it had agreed upon. Ukraine failed to follow both agreements, which included a ceasefire; and instead continued to engage the Donbass militias, and to continuously shell civilian positions from the breakaway regions of the Donbass. After 8 years and a lot of patience, having exhausted the diplomatic route, Russia decided to conduct a special military operation to resolve the problem. Once having secured the Donbass, referendums were held on whether these regions wanted to annex to Russia, just like Crimea had voted for in the past; and the results were upwards of 80% a positive "yes" for both Donetsk and Lugansk. It's worth mentioning, again, that these regions had seceded from Ukraine already 8 years prior to this. The US, a country on the other side of the planet, has enjoyed hegemony for many years. It is a well-isolated country, and has never had a war on its homeland nor received serious repercussions for its military escapades around the world. As it does with many other countries, it has been influencing the direction of events in Ukraine since way before 2014, as a method of undermining its perceived "rival": Russia. All of this, of course, to the detriment of the Ukrainian people; at a global scale, the US tends to operate purely out of self-interest, regardless of the consequences for other nations. Its actions in Ukraine have fuelled far-right nationalism and hatred of Russian language, people, and culture; despite those things being part of their shared historic and cultural heritage. It also caused, precisely, for the Donbass region to secede in the first place. Not only did the Donbass population want to become part of Russia, but the conflict itself was stirred up by the US in the first place. There are powerful forces that want you to believe a cartoonish farce: That "Russia is bad", "US is good", "Ukraine is a victim", and that "democracy is at stake". Many powerful people are counting on you swallowing this preschool-grade story so that they can keep pursuing their own goals at the expense of all Ukrainians. "Protecting democracy" is always the excuse put forward by certain tyrants, to justify their atrocities. "Democracy" is the Donbass electing to secede in 2014. "Democracy" is them voting via referendum to join the Russian Federation. What is not "democracy", is the US interfering in the affairs of foreign democratic countries when their decisions do not please them. What is not "democracy", is Ukraine performing a US-backed coup d'état in 2014 to do a 3rd round of elections in direct contradiction of its constitution, "voting again an illegal third time because we didn't like the result". What is not "democracy", is Ukraine shelling civilians because it does not recognize the democratic result. What is not "democracy", is the US funneling billions of US taxpayer money out of the country to fund yet another war, without having asked its citizens to vote for such an endeavor. What is not "democracy", is Zelenskyy banning opposition parties, cancelling the next elections, persecuting religious leaders, forcing its male populace to go to war and preventing them from leaving the country if they so desire. The list goes on and on, but hopefully you got the idea. Since you seemed ill-informed, this should at least give you a primer on the actual situation.

[@critterfritter69]

Taiwan was under Japanese colonial rule until 1945, so China's claim to it is tenuous, at best. The reason Taiwan is in the fix it's in is because Chiang Kai-Shek kept harbouring dreams or retaking Mainland China after running. It would be like if the Cubans in Miami declared Florida the base from which to re-take Cuba and then Cuba declares Florida a breakaway province on account of the Cuban nationals there.

[@trogdortpennypacker6160]

Japan conquered Taiwan from the Qing dynasty but somehow that doesn't make it part of China? Our government and the US government recognizes the claim there is one China and that Taiwan is part of China. Not even vaguely in dispute, what is in dispute is how reconciliation happens. We simply say it must be done peacefully and not through the use of force. Your Cuba analogy is bewildering, if you want to use US history then this is like the Union wanting to take back Confederate states.

[@critterfritter69]

@@trogdortpennypacker6160 Ukraine was part of the USSR, but it is its own nation now. How far back do we want to go?

[@roberttaylor5997]

@@trogdortpennypacker6160 Taiwan has effectively been separate from China since 1895, and almost nobody in Taiwan wants to be ruled by China. Look at the borders of Europe in 1895 and compare them with now. Every one of those changes came with a lot of injustice, for sure. But should all the countries in Europe go to war with each other to go back to those old borders? Or should we stick with the borders we have now and live in peace with one another? If the Taiwanese wanted to join with China it would be a different matter. But they don't.

[@iamthepotato4312]

​@trogdortpennypacker6160 and before the qing dynasty annexed taiwan, I'm fairly sure the indigenous Taiwanese where inhabitants of the island for thousands of years. they're not Chinese and don't want to be part of China so everyone should accept that, including China.

[@nilocdg9752]

⁠@@iamthepotato4312bro. You either died, or got bred in. History

[@garyeuscher4499]

Both technically illiterate!

[@piseag458]

so we don't get to bomb the b'stards.. won't make for headlines😂.. no.. great interview guest objective analysis without wartime propaganda from either side,thanks

[@tongfattho6913]

Until recently, the passport of people from Taiwan had the label of Republic of China. There has always been 2 China. Don't forget that the Imperial Museum in Taiwan carries all the imperial treasures that were taken from China's Imperial Palace. Taiwan has the DNA and the blood of China. It is a recent drive by the current government of Taiwan to want to break away from its China legacy.

[@ebaystars]

Snow white was european until BREXIT

[@walhdamaskus2408]

For china its about their sovergnty. For USA its about their hegemony.

[@willdanger6833]

no

[@walhdamaskus2408]

@@willdanger6833 , yes.

[@willdanger6833]

@@walhdamaskus2408 What about Taiwan's sovereignty?

[@walhdamaskus2408]

@@willdanger6833 , Taiwan's sovergnty lay at taiwanese majority's need and majority of taiwanese want peace with their mainland cousins, only 8% wants independency. And only american evil regime wants them to die for american hegemony like those dumb ukrainians.

[@slly4276]

MyTaiwanese friends are not concerned about the issues whether or not China takes it back.They do not want Taiwan’s independence nor want China’s control over it.They are happy for Taiwan to be as it has been during the last 40 years without US exerting its divisive policy over it . Why does US who is miles away from that part of the world , stations their seventh fleet on the straits of Taiwan? Also China knows that a blockage on the southChina seas would strangle its economy. Hence China needs a second survival strategy and that’s where the BRI has come into the scene, using its surpluses from its US Federal bonds into creating something tangible which will benefit every country in the world. It’s interesting that when China puts money into helping other countries infrastructures, the west call them debt traps but when the west puts money into those countries,they termed them investments. Go figure it. When you don’t have money to buy your house, you borrow from the banks and you are responsible for paying back to the best of your ability,hence countries who have loans from China will have to do the same. China is not doing what the west has done in their past by going to those countries and plunder their resources , leaving those countries dirt poor. Democracy or autocracy, government who cares for the majority of the population’s’ wellbeing such as improved education,health , housing and infrastructures will be respected. Unfortunately most countries who call themselves democratic aren’t displaying those qualities. Most of those politicians are career politicians whose main concern are whether or not they can win the next elections.

[@shinholee3788]

Taiwan has not been democratic as described by speaker as all these while for sometime, in fact Taiwan is under MARTIAL LAW until 1987 ( the longest in world history ).....even after martial law was lifted it is still far from democratic until perhaps recent times. In any case just look at all troubles and problems in so called democratic countries including USA ( Trump, invasion of Capitol....is a joke really ).😂

[@MrOkadaman28]

"You don't really get that many Chinese investors who are learning the indigenous languages in Sub-Saharan Africa". This, is far from the truth. In fact, Chinese are more likely to learn the local languages, shop at local markets, and operate where Westerners will not dare go. My friend visited a remote town in Northern Nigeria, and heard a group of Chinese conversing in the local language, Hausa. In Lagos, where I live, Europeans and North Americans barely live outside the best parts of town like Lekki, Victoria Island and Ikoyi - and unlike Chinese and Indians, they barely interact with anyone, although they do a lot of talking (Westerners tend to talk a lot more than they listen, and often confuse this with "effective communication").

[@dpelpal]

I'm still laughing at Putin's "Kyiv in THREE DAAAAYS!"😂

[@AizenIsKubo]

Yeah? Well my cousins boyfriends grabdmothers uncle told me he saw a lot of Americans in Central Africa speaking the local language and smoking hashish in the deserts of N Africa. So checkmate. My story checkmates yours.

[@bobsmith3983]

@@dpelpal You can laugh at yourself as he never said that. That narrative was constructed in the West. Essentially propaganda.

[@bobsmith3983]

@@AizenIsKubo So they were speaking French.

[@ashedarke]

Lots of breathing sounds from this guy, kinda hard to listen too without anxiety being triggered.

[@crose7412]

@ashedarke You'd better have a lie down.

[@ashedarke]

@@crose7412 I had to stop.

[@crustybunny2475]

He might have a cold coming. 🤧

[@briandbeaudin9166]

...be far worse if he stops breathing!

[@briandbeaudin9166]

​@ashedarke you stopped breathing? How'd that turn out?

[@joekerr8334]

The real question is : How many nukes are required to destroy US so that they will never return to cause trouble again to the Chinese ? 50, 100, 200 or 300 ?

[@maynerdneidlinger5444]

It is a lofty mission and a common aspiration of all Chinese people, including the Taiwan compatriots, to put an end to the cleavage between the two sides of the Taiwan Straits and realize the reunification of the motherland.

[@guitarista666]

BS.

[@bobsmith3983]

@@guitarista666 Not BS.

[@sernoddicusthegallant6986]

Yeah they just cant agree on who should run the new unified china

[@yongdeng1813]

What resources???? What the heck she is talkjng about??? Do your homework before recording the show!!

[@Paradoxisthefingerprintofgod]

US is top baby. Always.

[@bobsmith3983]

Top in homelessness, crumbling infrastructure, unaffordable healthcare, food poverty, etc.. Tops alright.