Is the West Getting China Wrong? - Keyu Jin & Gideon Rachman | Intelligence Squared

China’s power has been growing for decades. A formidable and emerging power on the world stage, the China that most Westerners think they know is an intimidating, authoritarian nation which plans to take over the world. According to leading economist Keyu Jin, this prejudiced take on China is blinding the West from a true understanding of the country’s goals and intentions and could lead to unnecessary and destructive conflict.
In May 2023, Jin came to Intelligence Squared to discuss how stability and harmony are in fact the guiding principles of the Chinese economy. She shed light on how the one-child policy has shaped the ultra-competitive economic environment in China and why the Communist Party’s strong regulation of Big Tech puts it in a stronger position than the US to achieve global dominance in areas like technology and AI.
Jin was joined by Gideon Rachman as she gave us a unique insight into the mindset of the world’s rising superpower.
Want to see more videos and virtual events?
✅ Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications: kzbin.info...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Intelligence Squared has established itself as the leading forum for live, agenda-setting debates, talks and discussions around the world. Our aim is to promote a global conversation that enables people to make informed decisions about the issues that matter, in the company of the world's greatest minds and orators.
Follow Intelligence Squared on:
👉 Facebook page: / intelligence2
👉 Twitter page: / intelligence2
📌 Website: www.intelligencesquared.com/
#china #thewesternworld #economics #politics #technology #bigtech #artificialintelligence #intelligencesquaredplus #intelligencesquared #iq2

[@andrewgeorge1306]

I hope in China there could be more people who can express themsevels in the language that could reach out to more audience.

[@dewinmoonl]

well, ppl like her who emigrated exists, one who can speak both languages. myself included. we're really trying to build bridges here haha, it's a tough job, but it's worth doing :)

[@zhouyuxuan6026]

Yeah absolutely. And I can assure you that though I don't think her narrative about the ageing problem is right, the other parts of her speech are neutral and fit my past 22 years of experiences in China. Great Job. Sadly, it's often quite hard for Chinese to see KZbin videos or meet foreigners. I guess your proposal is easier.

[@dewinmoonl]

@@zhouyuxuan6026 nah not really... VPN is very prevalent.

[@cheneychen5703]

大概是2017年，圆桌会议上张维为教授说过：西方人太过傲慢他们执着于改变他人，在中国的大使却拒绝了解中国。 所以不是有多少中国人会英语的问题，而是多少英语使用者能放下偏见去学习中文、伊斯兰语、拉丁语系否则文明的冲突无法避免，因为拒绝学习语言就是文化歧视，这是根本的发自内心的歧视，就算是上帝也并不只会英语，如果他是全能的神。

[@streetman6661]

people should also learn chinese language to understand china and grasp the opportunities. it goes both ways.

[@johnc1873]

Keyu Jin is amazing! I truly wish she made her own KZbin channel. China needs native English speakers like her who can tell Chinas perspective well!

[@fs5775]

She's also a CCP shill ... probably like you. Hope you got your 50 cents, wumao

[@chuanmeixu1246]

She's not a native English speaker though. It's just that she speaks perfect English in an extremely articulate way. Being a native English speaker does not necessarily mean speaking articulately and intelligently.

[@jacobmilner1099]

Thank you fore your educational lecture on the reality of the tiananmen square protests the other week it was very helpful in knowing just how the ccp treat their people.

[@yapyapyap2805]

I would like to suggest otherwise. No, it is the Western Countries that need more Chinese speaking people in order to conduct a proper communication. China has, for over a century, been producing enough of good English experts since the early Kowmingtang government.

[@reallypopallen1055]

@@chuanmeixu1246dd

[@williamgarcia1909]

PROF. KEYU JIN, I ADMIRE N RESPECT U WISDOM. BRAVO TO U. FROM A HALF CHINESE FILIPINO. I RECEIVED CHINESE EDUCATION IN SCHINESE SCHOOLS IN MANILA. I ALSO STUDIED CHEMICAL ENGINEERING. N HAVE BECOME AN ENTREPRENEUR HERE.

[@patrickpingkuiling9953]

She is not only very intelligent, she presented her views n fact so clearly n straight forwardly that any viewers could understand. No beating around the bush, just staight honest truth. Love her!! ❤

[@kuri7154]

Any of the questions thrown at her could very easily lead down to common Western media talking points and it's amazing watching her defusing them one by one. I've also noticed the host slowing down mid-sentence several times changing his wording to avoid sounding judgemental, great display of respect and professionalism.

[@philawsonfur]

that's the point.

[@Lucifer-fj7mg]

Looking at her family and background has everything to do with CCP. I don’t believe a word she is saying.

[@anwiycti1585]

JIN is a lower version of the beheaded queen , she has not even the decency to give cake to the poor.

[@ernahubbard2062]

she's just a ccp mouthpiece who speaks good English and knows how to use modern vocabulary. There's nothing new in a totalitarian system and it will only implode. Maybe there's one thing new btw, in a globalized world, a dictatorship has managed to woven itself into the modern world, so we need a chemo therapy to get it out, that's' it.

[@RH-mk3rp]

When the Chinese people finally overthrow the CCP and are able to represent themselves in government, Keyu Kin will still be licking the CCP boot.

[@cspang4061]

When a person is arrogant,he thinks that he can easily take down the opponent without any logic thinking. And even worst when he realizes that he can't take the opponent down and becoming desperate complaining how wrong the opponent is with all the excuses to cover up himself.

[@bosmosis]

What video did you watch?

[@purplenaturellc733]

@@bosmosishe might have seen ScarFace? 😂

[@lktruong]

@@bosmosis cspang4061 exemplified the action of US versus China, i.e., He = USA and "the opponent" = China... ok? Let me know if you still want me to explain further.

[@kathryntate6809]

What a remarkable woman; well spoken.

[@sumanadasawijayapala5372]

Not to mention, her dad was a former PRC vice minister of finance and the current head of the Communist-controlled AIIB, so we know she is totally objective.

[@xianggao9300]

I hope she can provide some solutions or directions rather than repeatedly saying the government has done their best with their best intentions

[@hahagold2166]

she is a beneficiary of the Chinese gornment system

[@afunguynamedkawhi7959]

Because it's what is. She has no better solution than the Chinese government. She's very intelligent all right but a lot of people in the government are miles higher than her in intelligence and experiences.

[@wzsutton]

As a fellow Chinese, also living in London, I am impressed with the insights into the Chinese system Keyu offered to the world, and the way she did that. Well done to Keyu.

[@kianh1903]

Just because she can articulate like an American. Just that mostly.

[@warmonger82]

It's not the "Chinese system" It's the gongfei system.

[@RaymondLi604]

​@@warmonger82 Thanks for the 'caring' insult 😜

[@warmonger82]

@@RaymondLi604 A wise man once said calling things by their proper names is the beginning of wisdom. Funny how the gongfei then sent their minions to desecrate the wise man's grave yard.

[@fs5775]

🤣🤣🤣

[@mrmosk2011]

People are content with lack of free speech when you have hope to improve. When such hope disappears, content will change to despairs and then anger.

[@user-du2dy8sm7e]

My ears are blessed to hear from kayu Jin. I always feel I am in a very big universal library reading different types of books when I hear from Keyu Jin. I wish the interview would never be finished with Keyu Jin. God blessing you Ma,m.

[@mikebacchus721]

i am age 72 and was following US USSR AND China Politics since the Cuban missile crises also Vietnam US War. i appreciate her speaking about poverty pre 1980s yhat i followed because I was living in Canada since 1974 and Saw all the negatives but also facts on US Media. if US has 1.4 billions like China how would compare Their current per Capita growth to China now???😅😂

[@hongqi5734]

You are absolutely correct

[@robertholland8283]

The idea of convergence in economics is the hypothesis that poorer economies' per capita incomes will tend to grow at faster rates than richer economies, and in the Solow-Swan growth model, economic

[@RaymondLi604]

Would be interesting to have Richard Wolff as a sounding board along with his cooperatives model 🤔

[@ranochung]

"all my classmate dun have siblings, except the uyghur the have siblings"

[@privacyhelp]

maybe because they are muslims? 4 wives and 12 kids?

[@user-kx7oi9co6w]

That must be why the uyghur need re-educating in concentration camps.

[@timrobertson8436]

It felt like I was in a time machine back to 2019, pre-Covid, pre-Russian invasion, pre-spy balloon, pre-property market crash, etc. Alot has changed in the past 4 years that cannot be ignored, even though that is exactly what Keyu Jin did with lots of cooperation by the interviewer. We are now living in a different world with different expectations that cannot be undone. Get real, get now, baby!

[@cheriemartin3737]

This was my thought also. And let's not forget the multiple natural disasters, typhoons, massive flooding, earthquakes, tornadoes, snow in the summertime, mass crop destruction due to intentional flooding of farmland, freakish building explosions, collapsing bridges, subways, and highrises, sinkholes that open up and swallow vehcles on the roadways and pedestrians on the sidewalks, widespread soil subsidence, and tofu dregs building construction that doesn't last 10 years let alone the 30 years for which the buildings were designed. China's infrastructure cannot sustain its pipe dream economy.

[@jameskamotho7513]

Yeah. He didn't quite press her as one would have expected...

[@marinettenopal3167]

Did she even mention how aggressive Chinese vessels are in south China Sea, bullying Philippine coast guards and even other neighbouring country? Is she really speaking the truth? Is she really transparent about the true China/Chinese? 🤔 #Greed&PowerCombined good luck with the world

[@ZZWWYZ]

spy balloon lmao

[@tylertang20]

我只说一点，间谍气球就能说明你是一个没有独立思考的人，可以用卫星进行无死角高精度监视何必用古老的气球来监视？明明就是一个气象气球被说成间谍气球😂😂😂

[@colonylaser4860]

Is not only people in China that is not inspired when they looked outside China with all the riots and police shooting and homelessness in the West, we too here in the West are also not inspired.

[@esplace3023]

How right you are, so much negativity in the west these days, it’s like a disease.

[@jordandthornburg]

Each place has their own major problems. Police shootings are actually quite rare in America. The idea China is free from similar level problems is just silly

[@SebastianHartl-ft1vi]

Maybe you should listen to some of the storys of torture, rape and forced abortions from people, who were in those Uigure Concentration Camps.

[@epope98]

@@SebastianHartl-ft1vi dont forget the have state issued husbands for them if the father speaks out. he gets arrested and they have a state issues husband so it kills the gene line of there people. theres video proof

[@xrc5540]

Ms Jin is bi-lingual due to education, I am penta-cultural and speak 5 languages. Anyway, it is pointless explaining contemporary China to the G7, a reincarnate of the 8 Power Alliance. Look at all the hate comments below.

[@yaoliang1580]

When they r no longer able to compete on equal terms, they try to destroy, however all their zero sum game n scorch earth policies to contain China's progress has not only failed but backfired

[@dannychan1342]

Truths hurt!

[@JGalt-em4xu]

It's getting through to some of us.

[@RaymondLi604]

It's nourishment for TruthGPT. Scrape, scrape, scrape! 🤖

[@richiesd1]

you are so correct. The west is schizophrenic and keeps saying China will fail because of wrong policies. If that's the case, then why worry about the rise of China -- let them fail on their own.

[@ramenben]

Keyu Jin is so admirable and very articulate. So impressive. I'm a fan!

[@MauriceBoulard]

yes but her speech here is replayed like she already knew the questions in advance

[@fs5775]

@@MauriceBoulard A CCP shill using a script?? Gosh, what a shocker! 🤣🤣

[@peterlongland6862]

​@@MauriceBoulardit does have that feel aka no surprise questions.

[@jtseten1]

Totalitarian has NO Place for those who believe in a democratic values.

[@jtseten1]

She talks of properties but what about the Ghost Town Cities in China.

[@rebym]

As a Westerner who lived in China, I found this very interesting and am most impressed with Jin Keyu, she has good insights into modern-day China. The interviewer however seemed to continuously focus on the negatives, so we didn't get to hear some of the positives of China that we can all learn from. Very typical of a Westerner, I'm afraid. World Bank numbers show the percentage of China's GDP associated with manufacturing value-added at 27%, which is at odds with her statement that China is still primarily a manufacturing-based economy. I wish the interviewer knew enough to question her on this.

[@metalmanexetreme]

Painting rainbows leaves one skeptical, best to include rain with the sunshine if you wish to be fully considered.

[@rebym]

@@metalmanexetreme Agreed, but when the entire focus of the interview and almost all interviews concerning China are negative, it leaves one with a confused view as to what is actually happening. One would never know that China has contributed more economic growth than the entirety of the G7 over the past 10 years for example or that China took more people out of poverty in its recent rise than happened in the entirety of the European industrial revolution. These matter, but the West is ignorant of these things because they choose to be.

[@honeybadger8303]

The “private tuition” situation is not exclusive to China. It is a cultural issue as it is the same in Singapore, Malaysia etc within their Chinese communities. It has its place but in general just like any system it’s been abused and become counter productive. Their evolution into a whole process democracy has not been understood by our western centric mainstream media. Case in point the lack of basic understanding of Gideon was very apparent during this dialogue. That said a big shout-out to Gideon for this attempt to bridge the gaps and hopefully promote understanding void of inherent biases. In order to create the right catalyst towards win-win synergy, fabricated smearing propaganda has to be eliminated for the sake of everyone.

[@stevencrook3979]

Do you think the "private tuition" phenomena is one of the strengths of East Asian cultures, or one of their weaknesses?

[@honeybadger8303]

@@stevencrook3979 it’s a double edged sword’s

[@seafood_hater]

@@stevencrook3979 I used to be a private tutor and I don't see the phenomena as a "weakness" or a "strength". Everyone's pace of learning is different, that's why private tuitions exist in the first place. However, most Asian (not limited to Chinese) parents send their kids to private tuitions for other reasons like soothing their own anxiety--for fear that their kids won't be competitive enough. These parents feel compelled to "do more" for their kids and thus the actual intention of tuition is lost. I remember the time when I hated having tuitions as a student and told my parents that it was a waste of money. Ironically, my grades improved after I stopped going to tuitions. 😂

[@Barabala]

I moved to North America in 90s from China. I was a doctor working in a general hospital before then. Comparing to North American education system, China’s colleges and universities are more focus in academic achievement instead of hands on skills. We have BCIT in Canada where many Chinese immigrants and their children learn how to fix cars and build houses and fit into the society very well. This kind of institutes are not popular in China. There’s a mentality in mainland Chinese community that people with higher degree would get better job better name and therefore more respectful. That might mislead some Chinese to choose a wrong college at the beginning. Even moving to overseas some Chinese people are still struggling if they should get a MA PhD or just a diploma from a college with practical skills. I would say the concept of social status and values are part of their obstacle for their choices.

[@JieSuCabc]

It's true and many Chinese will never change their old ideas.

[@aly8848]

China will soon be #1, so?

[@kkp4297]

this creates very one dimensional people. They just study and take tests, and are not well rounded.

[@zzzzzsleeping]

I went to University in China for just a year, based on my assessment, Chinese education based on memorization.

[@patrickhing1055]

I think in my view hands-on and practicalities is hands-on after graduation. it is not learnt at Universities. More hands-on is learnt in technical colleges

[@htleong4790]

my take is that she is of the generation which has experienced hardship and also reap the rewards of China fast growth. Her views reflect some of the older generation and also the new generation. Most western citizens probably has not experienced these mix, so would not understand the Chinese mentality.

[@sangvong3396]

K Jin is new Chinese ambassador for Chinese people. Wish you well and keep helping Chinese people and show the world who we’re..

[@rosetzu_nagasawa]

in a COMPETITION, the only moves the rival could make is name calling then there is NO COMPETITION. Its an admission of defeat.

[@asjason]

I found it fascinating when Ms Jin told us she was living in a poor condition in the 80s & reading under candle light. Ms Jin’s father was amongst the political elite in Beijing that end up to be the vice minister of Finance of China.

[@lechenaultia5863]

And that says it all and destroys her credibility and independence.

[@wcx5164]

你觉得80年代中国发展的很好吗，连习近平当时都得点蜡烛读书

[@rap3208]

@@lechenaultia5863 Didn't you listen? She said 6 hour blackouts were regular or scheduled, try reading when its dark and you don't have electricity, will you need a candle? Besides, during that era, even high officials led austere lives.

[@wingkei8779]

@@lechenaultia5863 you obviously don't understand about China. The credibility lies in your commented.

[@fs5775]

Haha, shhhh, the CCP shills are trying to hide this glaring fact... ya know, that this is basically CCP propaganda

[@Jack-bg5sg]

Hey Keyu, What about the graduated students in U.S., are they getting jobs? I know many of graduated students couldn’t find a job either!

[@fs5775]

Shhh! Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain. Just swallow the propaganda, without questioning it LOL

[@davidxyj]

it's ok they could always go to China and do delivery as many of their Chinese counterparts are ready doing..... enough hints?

[@joewong438]

She speaks quite openly about the present young graduates of China. Train them into industrial requirements not all of them are creative thinkers and entrepreneurs.

[@NoohCee]

Isn't that normal throughout the globe? How many are creative or entrepreneurial? Looking at the creative and entrepreneurial results of China industry, don't you think overall, Chinese are a lot more creative and entrepreneurial then any other nations in the world?

[@aaaaaaaard9586]

@@NoohCee Chinese are much better. In shamelessly copying others.

[@tigading2177]

I guess, chinese youths aren't as ambitions as many young people in the U$ dreamt of hollywood stardom, youtube influencer, joining X factor LOL

[@tigading2177]

you mean like 5G, 6G LOL@@aaaaaaaard9586

[@zhaochengwang9742]

You can always find an angle to attack China. This is so called freedom.

[@kenmolloy1645]

Thanks for sharing, I wish we saw reasoned and nuanced discussion like this, on US main stream media outlets.

[@Intelligence-Squared]

Our pleasure!

[@fs5775]

I'm grateful that we don't. It's a sign that all our MSM haven't been bought off by the Chinese govt just yet

[@tocreatee3585]

lets grow win win economic relationship so that china can build 5000 NUKES pointing at USA. make perfect sense.

[@The.world.has.gone.crazy...]

It would not help anything, American people are to "dumbed" down. The big arguments and discussions about for example genders are a fine example of that. They have no clue what is really happening in the world. The common American even thinks our social democratic models in Europe are communism. 😁

[@Siguy6604]

The reality is there is very very little appetite in the US to see ANY nuanced news of China. The populace is being conditioned once again to have an enemy and someone to hate. Today that enemy is China and once again Russia. There is little appetite for real nuanced information about China.

[@user-bt3iz7vi7q]

One thing I don’t get is people always say US is so rich but if they are so rich then Why I see so many homeless people living on the street in US and why are people saying most Americans are living on pay check to pay check and why are most Americans have no savings and in deep credit card debt meanwhile most Chinese have savings and they don’t have credit card debt like the west thus please define rich again?

[@annkoh8653]

Cos. 1% of d population holds 60% of d wealth. They don't hv a concept of common prosperity in society.

[@ganboonmeng5370]

The top 1% held all the wealth....USA is a plutrocracy..govern by the rich for the rich..

[@rap3208]

because the US have the highest GDP. They don't consider that the cost of living is the highest there also so every price or cost is inflated to catche up with the COL. Another thing is the top 1% wealthiest people (about 1 million)in the US have more wealth collectively than the 291 million that make up the bottom 90%. So computing for the real GDP that would make more sense would have two values, one for the transactions made by the 1% (should be a lot higher than the official GDP) and one for the bottom 90% majority which would result to a very very low GDP.

[@alone-tt8dg6ic6f]

Yes,❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@lasagnajohn]

Free countries don't force bums back to their village with hukou and it's foolish to save money when you know you will have lots more in the future.

[@ListenNoTalk]

“Since 1979, do you know how many times China has been at war with anybody?” Carter asked. “None. And we have stayed at war.” He said the US has only enjoyed 16 years of peace in its 242-year history, making the country “the most warlike nation in the history of the world,” Carter said. This is, he said, because of Washington’s tendency to force other nations to “adopt our American principles.”

[@aly8848]

yes, google US tour of Democracy for a chart that shows that.

[@justice9325]

China has started more than 2,000 wars in its 3,500 year history. You don't understand China.

[@legpol]

@@aly8848: The US did not and will not deny she has fought many wars. The goal of any war is to save a party at the expense of the other party. If we only saw and hear the complaint from the defeated party, the US is always the bad guy. If we saw things from the victorious party, the US could be a good guy. For example, the Pacific war between the US and Japan in the 1941s, Japan was defeated by atomic bombs and the US was the bad guy. On the other hand, if we hear from the victorious US and China, the US was the good guy. Especially in the eyes of the Chinese, the US became their saviour from heaven, 天上掉下來的救星，出手打抱不平的英雄·好漢。

[@user-vc9mk1gt9i]

@@legpol The problem is not war, but always war, war has changed the United States, can only continue to wage war.

[@legpol]

@@user-vc9mk1gt9i : Exactly, the US can only continue to wage war to solve problems. As soon as any problem appears, the US will wage war to solve it. The world is very grateful to the US, especially China was grateful when she was being attacked by Japan in the 1940s. At that time, China even went to the US to beg the US to wage war. And the US obliged.

[@comradecracker447]

this is extremely interesting. I thank yall for this video. It is incredibly eye opeing for many and no matter how much you know or think you know about china.

[@stayprepared2388]

China will never stop sending spies to USA

[@leo96119611]

Why do you guys never go straight to the point and honest descriptions?

[@robertholland8283]

Productivity is the efficiency of production of goods or services expressed by some measure. Measurements of productivity are often expressed as a ratio of an aggregate output to a single input or an aggregate input used in a production process, i.e. output per unit of input, typically over a specific period of time.

[@cspang4061]

Misunderstanding=Arrogant

[@lcm6675]

Excellent interview. To be honest I was very impressed by how well Gideon Rachman conducted this interview given his often deeply biased and ideological articles in the FT. I wish there are more open-minded and objective exchanges on controversial topics like this.

[@SebastianHartl-ft1vi]

Where exactly was the controversy? All in all, it was the praising of an oppressive regime.

[@BUSeixas11]

In what way is he "deeply biased" and "ideological"?

[@user-tz7je5sz9j]

this world is based on POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, NOT SOCIALISM. POWER comes from your own innovation, NOT from copying from the west.

[@SebastianHartl-ft1vi]

@@user-tz7je5sz9j Wow, someone's got a massive inferiority comlex. But about copying the west: do you remember the Japanese and how the west laughed at their cheap copys, until they surpassed the west? Only this time the western corporations were dumb enough to bring their innovations to China in the hope of cheap manufacturing, until they didn't need the western corporations and their greedy executives any more. Do you see the pattern here? It is your beloved "free capitalism" biting it's own ass. Why do you think the chinese government forces every foreign company, that wants to do business there, to form a joint venture with a chinese company?

[@haitaoqiu3286]

@@SebastianHartl-ft1vi controversy comes into being when you oversimplify the enormous work, be it good or bad, done by a government that has 1.4bn REAL ppl to look after, into one little word "oppressive". And any argument starting with "all in all" is but a careless, irresponsible and cold-blooded act of labelling. So stop asking this question anymore, try to find your answer inward.

[@guanda76]

If you're still discussing on this topic after so many years, only prove that something is really wrong all along. However, I strongly believe denial will continue to persist over truth. Making excuses and convincing people is also a big business. 😂

[@user-bt3iz7vi7q]

Rachman, pls look at western survey that over 90% of the people in China approve of their government and look at the % of US and most European, specially UK survey and I believe at best you get only 40% so is there any question?

[@fs5775]

LOL ....there's also a 100% percent approval rating in North Korea too. Gosh, maybe we should change our ways in the west to emulate North Korea 🤣🤣 You don't sound very bright. Or perhaps you are unfamiliar with how exactly authoritarian regimes work. Educate yourself.

[@user-jl8wg2eh3f]

@@fs5775 Actually you should educate yourself for not accepting a simple fact. You don't sound very bright. You are a topnotch racist, though. Yes, I say racist because that's basically what it's all about. According to a global survey on the trust level on various aspects, about 89 percent of the Chinese respondents trusted the government to do what is right in 2022, listed in the first place among 28 surveyed countries.Jan 17, 2023

[@wangxs]

Authoritarian regimes always score unbelievably high approval ratings,which is standard behavior, until revolutions erupt suddenly. No exception!

[@user-bt3iz7vi7q]

@FS, don’t be rude,the West are suffering and struggle with their daily lives and yet they have no shame to dictate how China should run their country. 🤣🤣🤣

[@hoshpakamies5643]

​@fs5775 he said a western survey u idiot, a survey conducted by the west

[@user-ye2lf4zf9o]

This lady is not only an economist but also a quick thinker. I envy her talents and truly a professional at that.

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

She's also a CCP shill.

[@deebil8099]

She is also the daughter of a senior ccp bureaucrat. She basically pushes the same CCP propaganda talking points in a more sophisticated, diplomatic manner. The CCP just bark at everyone.

[@fs5775]

It's her US education. She has her CCP elite daddy to thank for that. Would be nice if all Chinese people had such opportunities.

[@wangxs]

She looks more like a professional debater who has memorized lots of CCP party line rhetorics..

[@pr0newbie]

I mean, at least it's better than falling into the simplistic democracy and freedom trope that is mostly an illusion in the 1st place

[@jforozco12]

this has been one of the best ways to present china to western eyes I've seen in a long time. Well done to Keyu Yin, with voices like her there's some hope that nuance and reason can prevail in an increasingly crazier world.

[@redstwok1123]

I'm sorry but nuance and the vote engineering system, or the present day western democracy, which keeps the neo-libs/cons in power do not mix. The Military-Industrial-Media complex would not want to propagate it since it makes them no money to be nuanced in their stance.

[@gregoryking8574]

China need to stay away from Taiwan just stay away from Taiwan that are free country that don't need china

[@user-tz7je5sz9j]

this world is based on POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, POWER, NOT SOCIALISM. POWER comes from your own innovation, NOT from copying from the west.

[@jforozco12]

@@user-tz7je5sz9j im pretty sure your definition of socialism comes from a youtube video.

[@user-tz7je5sz9j]

@@jforozco12 your citizens are weaker. that tells it all.

[@dineshkumarsnair7964]

An awesome conversation.. I got lot of new insight s about China. Hailing from a small state of India in the southern most coast KERALA, I have seen how many of my friend s in business of Furniture, LED, s and Fancy fittings and toys made millions between 2000-2015 by investing their capital with Made in China products... Now I got a glimpse of its organization culture and their vision..

[@renjiemo1788]

Ms. Jin is not only intelligent and highly educated, but also fluent and well-spoken. Credit to IQ-squared to give her a platform and time to help people around the world to better understand China.

[@fs5775]

Credit LOST to IQ-squared that gave a platform to a CCP SHILL. Respect LOST. UNFOLLOW.

[@aptmap5181]

Wow is this Ms Jin still living in 2008? It's not the China under Jiang Zhe-min or Hu Jin-Tao anymore. Xi Jin-ping is now the CCP King-for-life and chairman of everything. He wants to be like Mao and Putin but has ZERO charisma. Xi is very insecure and suspicious of anything/anyone that may challenge his grip of power. Financial, internet, and creative sectors in China are all thrown to the mud. Over 20% youth unemployment and that is already the embellished official CCP figures. All he knows are 20th century Soviet-style heavy industries and military buildup with his signature "extremist mentality" and iron fist

[@alexlazar4738]

@@risseldyrosseldy910 nobody holds well under torture. Just don't get caught alive that's all advice. Edit: She's the type who would never be caught alive. Her voice, facial expressions and body gestures reveal tremendous discipline and will power instilled in her from early childhood. In some other era she would have been a perfect assassin, in modern era she's a professor.

[@jacobmilner1099]

Thank you fore your educational lecture on the reality of the tiananmen square protests the other week it was very helpful in knowing just how the ccp treat their people.

[@stayprepared2388]

China will never stop sending spies to USA

[@rogerzen8696]

As articulated as she was, she didn't have a theory. It's just two friends chatting and having a good time, but it wouldn't help closing the great chasm between Western perception of China and what's going on on the ground.

[@nikki088]

I see what you mean. For me, as a Chinese American, even seeing these two have a civil and open dialogue, feels healing and in the right direction. Of course, there needs to be more constructive action (and very soon, at that) when it comes to economic and security issues, but for Americans who value social dynamics and connectivity across differences, I feel this talk does in fact serve as bridging the divide. Being able to talk and listen as humans is the first step in finding a way forward.

[@ibrahimmason6858]

Every financial goal requires patience, dedication and consistent spirit knowing that investment is currently the most lucrative business in the world, BTC is positively changing people's lives. I stopped panicking about my BTC the very moment I started working with Mr K last year, his confidence and skills is on a maximum level..

[@adrianadestino6420]

Never missing out on an opportunity to grow my portfolio this year

[@ibrahimmason6858]

He's on TELEGRAMS

[@ibrahimmason6858]

@mrk99coin THAT IS HIS USER NAME

[@larryadolf6992]

Best signal provider in the market. Knowledgeable, level headed no loss like some other traders who recently jumped on the bandwagon..

[@tien7742]

💯🌹to Prof. Keyu Jin.. Very knowledgeable and highly educated lady 👏.. I like her ways of nonbias about the Chinese government's systems .. A great asset to China 🇨🇳👍..

[@stayprepared2388]

China will never stop sending spies to USA

[@GenghisX999]

How is this completely western educated/brainwashed person an asset to China? She is earning her pay telling the west myths and fantasies that the west wants to hear.

[@peterlongland6862]

It's easy to be interviewed when you know what questions are about to be asked.

[@user-nw1vv5pv7g]

This lady understands China and the system behind it really really well. Most foreigners I met with tend to have biased and over simplified view over China.

[@EnglishFuture-xg1gw]

so true

[@alst4817]

Well, same with most Chinese people’s view of the west. Biased and over simplified

[@EnglishFuture-xg1gw]

she is lying about almost everything so yes she understands the system well

[@RaymondLi604]

Operation Mockingbird vs Keyu Jin 😭

[@fs5775]

@@EnglishFuture-xg1gw probably because she is part of the CCP machinery. She was raised in it.

[@robertholland8283]

lying flat') is a Chinese slang that describes a personal rejection of societal pressures to overwork and over-achieve, such as in the 996 working hour system, which is often regarded as a rat race with ever diminishing returns.

[@RaymondLi604]

A perfect example of China's many flaws. More practiced Confucianism, etc? ☯️

[@dennisjazzy2004ds]

10:39 In Singapore we let in million of Indians into our country to work. They are extremely hard working and intelligent. China can do likewise. Mind you, I am Chinese Singaporean.

[@wenbochen7232]

22:30, 6 month later, we can say Prof Jin made a wrong prediction and judgement here. Not only the tier 1 cities have bubbles, the tier 3 & 4 cities not only have bubble too, but even larger. By 2024, we have seen some cases where real estate price cut over half.

[@horridohobbies]

Let's not forget that before 1951, the United States had no limit on Presidential terms of office. So why is it a big deal that China lifted the two-term limit in 2017? Also, many other countries like Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and Britain have no term limits, either.

[@syying9455]

two-term limits is the only "check and balance" available in China.

[@horridohobbies]

@@syying9455 Throughout China's 3,500-year history, China has never had checks and balances on power. The Chinese don't need it. Westerners may believe China needs it but, seriously, who gives a f*ck what Westerners believe?

[@timloo6191]

Even Merkel served 20 years and so did many german chancellors

[@timloo6191]

Last check the Queen reigned over 70 years

[@timloo6191]

@@syying9455 Which is useless. Perhaps americant should give up 2 term limits. Or better still that stupid electoral college. 465+ idiots choosing american president

[@manuelgonzales2570]

Excelente entrevista y brillante entrevistada. Muchas gracias.

[@jacobmilner1099]

Gracias por su conferencia educativa sobre la realidad de las protestas de la plaza de Tiananmen la otra semana, fue muy útil para saber cómo trata el ccp a su gente.

[@cigh7445]

What part of England is the guy who introduced the programme at the start from? He has a kind of light unobtrusive English accent but with what sounds like the American retroflex r

[@TaiwanChinatogether]

She is amazing, responding so well to the grilling of the host. She has answers to all the negative questions ❤❤❤

[@tomk8729]

I thought she came across as very shallow, an obvious Beijing propagandist. The fault is with the host, who was far too polite.

[@LaoDan13]

@@tomk8729 far too polite?!!!! then your comment is nothing but a pesky bug!

[@Anders01]

Exactly. Labor-saving technology as was mentioned from around 18:00, it seems to becoming huge in China. Massive automation is expected.

[@gurhanweyrah3930]

Robots 🤖 do not consume goods or pay taxes so they can never substitute human labour

[@kyactive]

Automation could potentially increase profits for business that employ these robots.. these profits would be taxed (in theory)

[@My-nl6sg]

massive automation is already a thing even in Chinese service industries, payment and ordering are completely digitalized, robots for restaurant services are very widespread, contactless delivery services, automation of mass transit systems, online healthcare consultation, etc... the other day I was at a Buddhist temple in Guangzhou and there is a ChatGPT style AI interface for interactive Q&A of Buddhist philosophy.

[@mecarmel-by-the-sea0076]

The hardships that Ms. Jin described in the 1980s (even going back to 1949 after the CCP seized power) were all caused by the disastrous policies and measures of the CCP, nobody else to blame. The West is not "getting China wrong". On the contrary, Western countries are now closer to recognizing the true colors of the CCP than at any time in their history. The so-called "misunderstandings" are becoming less and less, not more: this greatly benefit the West. The only concern of the CCP, especially their tiny elite, is their political power, not anything else. The Western value system and political system are an existential threat to the CCP, so there is no so-called "mutually beneficial middle ground" between the CCP and the West, and only one side can exist in the future. No matter how Ms. Jin sugarcoats it, it can't cover up this cruel situation. In fact, the CCP's elite know it well.

[@tingtong5898]

Many good points there. The question should be "Is China getting the West wrong?" It is obvious after the pandemic that it is not wise to put all your eggs in one basket.

[@wingkeungkong415]

The goal of the communist party It's always to restore the greatness of the Chinese civilization not practising some Western political system

[@whisperK1108]

@@wingkeungkong415 no more bullshit about great Chinese civilization. Who was the culprit that totally tore down Chinese culture in the past 70 years with all the precious treasures destroyed and tens of thousands intellectuals purged and tortured to deaths.

[@DaveOBrien]

@@wingkeungkong415 No, the goal of the CCP is the continuing rule of the ruling class, at the expense of the people of China, and of the people of the world if necessary. They want the entire world to kowtow at the feat of the Chinese emperor, and this is a vision that is incompatible with a global human civilisation.

[@calc1657]

There is no issue with the CCP striving to make China great again. However, the West is not interested in being China's stepping stone.

[@tyoong719]

CCP has the wisdom to see and mitigate risks to peace not just to China but also the regions around.

[@toi_techno]

China is a joke run by thugs It's GDP per capita is minuscule It is about to attack Taiwan Taiwan which started at the same state of development is 6/10 times richer and far more advanced technologically

[@user-kx7oi9co6w]

Yeah, I bet the sun shines out of Xi's arse.

[@_F_Y_]

do you really mean it?

[@barryraymond9004]

The CCP does what it wants. Its greatest wisdom is its survival at all costs.

[@daveb3987]

Surveys in China support keeping the current system… fancy that.

[@horridohobbies]

Anti-China bigots always say the Chinese are afraid to tell the truth. *But they can't prove it.* It's just innuendo and propaganda rhetoric. You can go visit China and see how afraid the Chinese are. Here's what I said in another comment... Even in 2023, the Chinese people, including young and old, support their political system and enjoy their quality of life. Western surveys confirm this... Edelman Trust Barometer 2023 shows that 89 percent of Chinese trust their government. _China has the most trusted government in the world._ The Global Happiness 2023 survey from Ipsos shows that _China is the happiest country in the world_ at 91 percent. Latana’s Democracy Perception Index 2023 shows that _China is one of the most democratic countries in the world,_ well ahead of USA, Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, and Japan. China is #6 at 73 percent. Ash Center at Harvard Kennedy School in 2020 reported that _95.5 percent of Chinese are satisfied with their government._ A 2019 UC San Diego study shows a high level of satisfaction among the Chinese across a range of aspects up to 95 percent. A November 2019 Ipsos survey shows that _95 percent of Chinese believe their country is on the right track._

[@lophiz1945]

Nine out of ten CCP members have received transplanted organs from the tenth CCP member.

[@osam6356]

What a fantastic interview. It's been a while that I've enjoyed a conversation like this. I think we all need and want unbiased and fair approaches when it comes to these kind of conversations. It really allow you to learn ! iNSTEAD of being fed with somebody's elses biased views.

[@jacobmilner1099]

Thank you fore your educational lecture on the reality of the tiananmen square protests the other week it was very helpful in knowing just how the ccp treat their people.

[@stayprepared2388]

China will never stop sending spies to USA

[@joshflorence1998]

@@tristanx3508 Oh, you want to talk genocide? Call up the Chinese Uyghurs, and they'll have something to tell you... Oh, wait... Sorry, I forgot that over a million of them are currently in concentration camps for "Reeducation" seeking to erase their cultural heritage, so your call likely won't get through. Oh, and ask the Chinese government how they treated non-Chinese living in China during the covid lockdowns. Unlike your examples, these things didn't happen 400 years ago. Might I also point out that the modern day US is a melting pot of different races and cultures, with only 59% being white. Out of the 1.3 BILLION people living in China, only nearly 92% are Han Chinese. Those Uyghurs I mentioned, only 0.8% at 10 million. As for foreigners, Koreans 0.1%, Vietnamese 0.002%, Russian 0.001%, and other combined foreigners 0.05%. The remaining percentage are all Chinese minorities, dwindling vestiges of a rich cultural history that was set on fire during Mao's China, only for Xi to pick up where Mao left off. Also, calling them "Red AmerIndians" is not how you should be addressing them. Are you living in the 1950's? It's "Native Americans"... "Red American Indian" is really freaking politically incorrect, and makes me think that you've got all your knowledge from old western movies... I'm not even from the States and I know that, so check yourself, next time you write a comment like that.

[@justice9325]

Then, look at the Uighurs in Xinjiang. Uighur Genocide. Organ Harvesting. Torture to death of Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Liu Xiaobo. THIS, is the real China.

[@zhaochengwang9742]

Do you need a lecture about how US treat indian？Do you need a lecture about the slavery in US？Do you need a lecture about colonialism？It seems that you have too much to learn. @@jacobmilner1099

[@DONTSASSMEBOI]

Jin was born in Beijing, China. Her father, Jin Liqun, is an economist and politician who previously served as the vice minister of finance of China and is the current president of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank.

[@hengzhou4566]

So what?

[@kashmirha]

@@hengzhou4566 So maybe thats why all the comments are from bots and trolls. I mean super friendly trolls, It is painfully obvious.

[@kgan4733]

Wow impressive

[@blafonovision4342]

What would be wrong with the USA and the PRC decoupling? I think it would head off conflict.

[@marylaistirland6864]

Very very clear explanation of China in a fair manner by Keyu Jin! Must read her book

[@karllarsen8797]

@marylaistirland, Professor Keyu Jin claims that the West has some misunderstandings of communist China and got communist China wrong. Can you list for me what the West got wrong about communist China?

[@bill8575]

It's sad that with the eloquence and articulation, she is not saying much more than what most netizens already know. Did she address the subject, what is the West getting wrong about China? Two acquaintances chit-chatting. They cover many aspects on which only the surface was scratched.

[@jacobmilner1099]

Thank you for your educational lecture on the reality of the tiananmen square protests the other week it was very helpful in knowing just how the ccp treat their people.

[@rsyrsy8543]

Do you really expect detailed information in every aspect mentioned in the 45 minutes program? Actually I do agree with her in one particular thing, the unemployment of young graduates. I remember the rate was something like 24%? She pointed out the problem is not what outsiders of China thought, that the Chinese manufactory is shrinking , it is the mismatch between the job vacancies in the market and the skills the young graduates have. And I agree with her that this probably is one of the issues that deserves high priority for China government to deal with.

[@whisperK1108]

@@rsyrsy8543 the current Chinese unemployment and economic big problem is not merely a matter of education skill mismatch. Much more than that. And I assure you, only if one continues to take her communist hat or camouflage on, she will never be a real serious economist or historian.

[@kashmirha]

Come on, she is saying things like: chinese studants are not impressed what they see in democratic sountries, or in Hongkong. She is a CCP mouth piece, a smart one, a nice one. Sure. Still, Xi's mouth.

[@chew5461]

Well done, Ms Jin. I have listened to a few China born speakers who studied and stayed on in the West and they tend to say things their Western audience wants to hear. Like Gideon Rachman who appears to have a pre-conceived ideas of what present day China is like, ie., China the authoritarian regime and China the repressed society !! Like Tings Chak, Ms Jin speaks well and she presents China in a fair manner, backed by facts.

[@RaymondLi604]

Add Li Jingjing to make up the Terrific Trio 🤩

[@fs5775]

Jin is obviously not repressed because she is from a CCP family, where corruption paved the wave for her life of privilege at the expense of her fellow citizens. So inspiring, LOL

[@chew5461]

@@RaymondLi604 👍 But I have difficulty listening to Li Jingjing as she is not as fluent.

[@chew5461]

@@fs5775 Do you know her family? This is the 1st time I heard of her. Anyways, upon taking office, Xi vowed to crack down on "tigers and flies". You think there is NO corruptions in USA and EU???

[@riccles8331]

He is a western journalist - asking probing questions is his mandate. Anyone watching who doesn’t see he treats her with kid gloves is totally deluded

[@siddharthkhabia]

now this is the evening appetizer I needed! thanks :)

[@hermanhsu5994]

A confident lady with meticulously thought- through to every question asked and points made, thumb up!!

[@tintinXsnowy]

She didn't really answer the question about the differences in the value system between China and the West.

[@ericluk68]

@@tintinXsnowy Keyu Jin is just another Tokyo Rose.

[@sumanadasawijayapala5372]

Not to mention, her dad was a former PRC vice minister of finance and the current head of the Communist-controlled AIIB, so we know she is totally objective.

[@hermanhsu5994]

@@sumanadasawijayapala5372You are an objective China hater? Ha, love it.

[@joshflorence1998]

@@hermanhsu5994 China, and the CCP are NOT the same. China, is a country with a rich history, and vibrant and wonderful people. The CCP is an evil dictatorship, rotten to the core with corruption, that commits heinous human right atrocities, suppresses free thought, brainwashed its population, and itself views the Chinese people it rules as mere numbers. Keyu Jin is CCP aligned, and though she is very charismatic and eloquent, she is little more than a mouthpiece.

[@theloniousm4337]

Her father is deeply invested in the CCP and this bias can be heard in her opinions and analysis.

[@aly8848]

your bias could be heard from this comment. sound like a white guy, for sure.

[@briankin1827]

What an intelligent and well versed Jeyu Jin is.I will certainly buy her book.Hope that more western people see this clip and and open their eyes to China,as opposed to being brainwashed by western propoganda.

[@fs5775]

So you prefer that they be brainwashed by *this* propaganda from this CCP shill instead? 🤣🤣 We teach critical thinking in the west, and know when to call out bullshit. This is total bullshit here. But nice try. I hope her daddy will be proud.

[@TheSwissPoliticalSystem]

we are not brainwashed by Western propaganda, in the West we have free media, even if now there is a crisis of freedom, but China is just another totalitarian dictatorship propelled by hard working people, exactly like Nazi Germany. Unfortunately for the Chinese people, the ccp is turning the World against China and the CCP will go the way of Nazi Germany, the USSR, etc.

[@jacobmilner1099]

Thank you fore your educational lecture on the reality of the tiananmen square protests the other week it was very helpful in knowing just how the ccp treat their people.

[@Andy-P]

Brainwashing is a lot easier when the state control the media. I thought the interview was good and she was open in what she was saying, it isn't all peachy in CCP land. They avoided all the sticky issues.....

[@sumanadasawijayapala5372]

Not to mention, her dad was a former PRC vice minister of finance and the current head of the Communist-controlled AIIB, so we know she is totally objective.

[@bohhyap7379]

1. Jack Ma & Ant Group: This would have created a huge monopoly that would have dominated quite a few digital markets, not just e-commerce. The end group would have a quiet other major gaming companies, online entertainment, ET see… what does government it? What’s the prevent such a monopoly from taking place; to encourage more innovation and competition. 2. It also shows that in China, the billionaires and corporations do not run the government, and the government does oversee that business contributes to the people in the country, and not just benefit it’s billionaire owners. 3. Dissection may have wiped value from the stock markets; which benefit the rich. But by allowing more innovation from small start ups, they will provide more jobs and opportunities for the other 95%. 3. The US has broken up huge corporations in the past to allow fair competition, i.e. using the Anti-trust laws to break up Bell Telecommunications. They could’ve done more since…

[@coldwardad7358]

From reading the comments before listing to the interview, I was hoping for some insight into what the West gets wrong about China. Most of the comments were how unbiased the interview was , but I didn't see that at all. The questions were softball questions that shed zero light on why the West sees China as a "formidable and emerging power on the world stage, the China that most Westerners think they know is an intimidating, authoritarian nation which plans to take over the world." Except for the very last question of the interview when he finally asked a tough one. The information she gave I'm sure is very accurate, but most of it in a simplified form is known by Westerners already. Yes, we know about the shrinking population, the unemployment rate problems of college graduates, the push to increase the population, etc. All of this can be found on even the weakest news sites in the US, which is how I know. Where were the tough questions regarding China's own racism problems, "bullying" of its neighbors, spying, industrial espionage and many others? What does the Chinese government really want? Frankly, I was very impressed with her knowledge of economics which is understandable given her pedigree. She is clearly liberal by American standards, but I not overly so. However, she comes across as one of many Chinese nationals that I have conversations with that spout the same old things about China just wanting to compete fairly without confrontation. Well, good luck with that. The reality for anyone who understands human nature and human history knows that it is inevitable that a superpower will start pushing people around, taking more than their share, try to dominate, hoard resources, etc. I can't think of any empire in history that hasn't done it including any in the West. China will be no different. Lastly, although Ms Jin sounds very learned in economics, she seems woefully inadequate in the geopolitics arena sounding like a child who thinks everything is rosy and all will be fine if we can just get along. News flash to Keyu, but man has NEVER gotten along. As a species, we haven't reached that level of enlightenment yet. China and the West have one thing in common, biology and that is it. Just about everything else, we are at odds with and that is hard to overcome. Oh, and Keyu Jin should really consider working on the tourism board for the CCP. I have no doubt that they appreciate her efforts on their behalf. Next time, let me conduct the interview.

[@Realist-sh3dg]

Where were the tough questions regarding China's own racism problems, "bullying" of its neighbors, spying, industrial espionage and many others? What does the Chinese government really want? She is an economist, well known and respected in the world of economics apparently. You already have the answers to those questions anyway, the Chinese aren't going to change your mind.

[@coldwardad7358]

@@Realist-sh3dg I don't want Chinese apologists to change my mind. I would like someone without a horse in the race to give me insight into what we are getting wrong about China. Not some CCP mouthpiece.

[@wankee888]

What a fantastic interview ! .but the interviewer not so well informed

[@alhkcblack9617]

That interview just is full of negative thoughts and negative wishful thinking trying to get her to spill something bad about China. She sets him straight. Maybe she won't be invited again. 😂

[@riccles8331]

@@alhkcblack9617 she’s certainly well trained and subtle - she said nothing outside of CCP playbook

[@wingkei8779]

I hope the young Chinese Don't learn the young American. The drug's, Crime, guns shooting is out of control in America.

[@lioicomestai3703]

Oh, ye, sure. They all should learn Mao's Public Private Combination Management Policy which is similar like Mugabe's land garbing from white owners ... more and more The great leap, Anti Rightists, The Cultural xxx in 1966 for 10 years. Shi Jin Pin thoughts is another important one to learn too rather than Google Map or Chat CCPT ...

[@yuwen5689]

The statement that 20% of collegue graduates are unemployed is not correct because the number correspond to the statistics for 16 to 24 year old population, of which most of them are not collegue graduates, but the labor force without a higher education degree. For those with higher education degree, the number drops to about 3%, which is normal among all big economic entities. I believe that it's better for Prof Jin to study and dive more in the statistic facts before run into the conclusion.

[@jgwizo]

In a race where the west was leading for centuries it is completely difficult for USA and its democratic western countries to admit the follower has caught up and watching USA Secretary in China should have informed that it's best to join China and forget of hegemony.

[@MD97531]

Are you stuck in 2015? Maybe things looked that way, for a short while. The last few years have shown China already running out of steam, with systemic challenges and the West grew stronger. If anything, Russia and China know that this is their window of opportunity (Ukraine, Taiwan). I expect China to face inward and try to weather the storm.

[@medicuswashington9870]

Economic growth is rapidly attainable with university graduates.

[@RaymondLi604]

But the cost is a barrier to entry. Need purpose driven education, for those who already figured out what they can do with what they want to do. Yup, UBI budgets too ⚖️

[@alextang6988]

That's the most crucial taste applied for the new generation to come. The path will be very prospective for the China rises that none of any western can stop nor contentment.

[@jacobmilner1099]

Thank you for your educational lecture on the reality of the tiananmen square protests the other week it was very helpful in knowing just how the ccp treat their people.

[@alextang6988]

@@jacobmilner1099 First education should come down from their own home ground. Instate of a busy body and inter fear others before self norm. Should you not understand the Chinese culture compared to the population in terms of governing the country.

[@jacobmilner1099]

@@alextang6988 No exaclty, that's why your talk was so informative. You were very brave to talk up about how the Chinese students were slaughtered by the army. You gave the perspective of those protestors and honestly I'm amazed that you had the guts to do it given the possible ramifications.

[@alextang6988]

Ｊ

[@alextang6988]

@@jacobmilner1099 As regard your context ( informative/ramifications ) just for a sample on the unfortunate circumstance in Western/Europe countries the inflow of all migrants and refugees and conflict is still going on in Ukraine. Talking about the world order by the UN system is a double standard due to proxy under the US. And plus BLM so on -etc. References to your contexts.

[@annejoiner2722]

'Tofu dreg' construction is causing problems throughout China. Also, Typhoon Doksuri recently created a lot of devastation; Chinese people in certain areas very unhappy with central government (e.g.) about release of flood waters--'to save' Beijing--into places like Zhuozhou, among many other problems. Forbidden City flooded for the first time in 600 yrs. Bad omens as it were. China and US seem dangerously vulnerable right now. Chinese and Americans should be talking publicly and privately to each other...regularly. This is an extremely important relationship--and currently very fraught, as everyone knows.

[@karllarsen8797]

Goodness me, this Chinese professor used the example of EV made in China as an illustration of Chinese technology that is more suitable, more user-friendly to Chinese needs. Just check out some videos of Chinese electric scooters and bikes suddenly exploded and burned resulting in some fatalities.

[@truthaboveall7988]

Western interviewed crack me up. We need a major overhaul of how we perceive China cuz we don’t seem to understand them at all while they know us thru & thru

[@jags.3389]

The western seems to be so asleep when it comes to that aspect.

[@ballball2426]

they don't understand the west at all, believe me

[@deebil8099]

Her dad is a senior CCP member. All she does is push CCP propaganda. She just repeats CCP propaganda talking points you here them push all over the world. She just says it in a more eloquent manner.

[@gofifi001]

@@jags.3389 Did you see Deebil's message? This is why the West cannot really understand China

[@zuriyel5368]

@@deebil8099 The same can be said about you and American propaganda. It's impressive how you can't see that. This is how you guys kept on being anti-war while being at war for 39 years straight.

[@ScotchOnyx]

9:50 25% of college graduate in China didn't get a job. I think we have similar numbers in Canada for the past decade. One research done back in 2019 said it was hard to get a good estimate because more than 21% of College/University graduates leave Canada after they graduate.

[@philipyt]

AND, the US answer was 'more' education. This benefited the educational institutions with the unemployed near retirement age (55+) educated workforce of old being 'forced retired' with take it or leave it retirement packages, and being "re-educated" for the competition with the young just out of college graduates in the new technological workforce. It's didn't pan out, BUT companies like Wal-Mart benefited!

[@aaaaaaaard9586]

Statistics from China can’t be trusted. For example they don’t count rural population at all (~50% of the whole population) because if you’re in rural farmland you’re a farmer (农) and farmers are never unemployed right? Also if a person works just one hour a week (s)he is considered employed. There are lot of other loopholes and exploits local governments do to keep the number low and avoid losing face. And china lacks freedom of speech to call out these corruptions and incompetence.

[@basantiroy6308]

I so much agree with the lady. The Oriantel mindset is difficult to understand by the West.

[@randomname9565]

do you lot not understand the quote "it doesn't matter if the cat is black or white if it catches mice then it's a good cat"?

[@hongkongtoysandgift3545]

When you compare the property market between Japan and China, you cannot ignore the control of the Chinese government on the "market price" of the property market. This include the government giving orders to set a minimum price for sellers. No other governments in the free world can do that. If you travel in China, you can see many "ghost towns" in many medium and small cities •••••••••blocks of new buildings sitting there with no or just a few occupants. This even occur in the outskirts of some big cities like Xian. This was my personal experience as early as 4 years ago when I travel to the north western provinces in China. Even in more prosperous cities around the so-called Greater Bay Area next to Hong Kong and Guangzhou, you can see the same phenomenon. I am sure you would not see this in Japan, a totally free commercial market, before the property bubble burst. My point is , the "market price" is not falling in the Chinese property market doesn't mean it is still healthy as professor Jin believes. It only means the bubble will be much bigger than that of Japan's when it burst. And the harm it brings might be in decades.

[@hongkongtoysandgift3545]

@@tristanx3508 come to china, and see what is happening today

[@Storm4155]

There were so-called "ghost towns" in Shanghai districts too.........now they are all full of people. China practises what is called transit-oriented development. First you build roads and subways etc. to "nowhere", then property developers build......and can't sell all the properties, but over time they start filling up and eventually you find that some of these ghost cities are now just regular cities. Also, people who have migrated to work and live in upper tier cities, will often also buy a house in their hometown, and those houses will lie empty until they retire(they don't put tenants in). Finally, what did Tristan3508 say???

[@hongkongtoysandgift3545]

@@Storm4155 Do not compare the country's biggest and most densely populated city with those small/medium size cities in central and north western China I am talking about. Even in the suburbs of big cities like Xian, if you have been there, you will know what a ghost town is really like. Even in Shanghai today, some districts which previously mainly rented to foreigners or non-Shanghai resident working in Shanghai, are now become ghost towns as well. You can find many youtube videos if you really want to know about the real situation. Don't just read what the CCP feeds you.

[@lioicomestai3703]

When coming to an overnight wiping out tutoring industry in Cina (17’17”), she used AI regulation saga on the West/US to defend it as pros & cons. Not compelling at all but hit the core of social ownership - who owns a business, a Govt or an individual who was protected by social institutions.

[@rsyrsy8543]

I have got a bit more detailed information about the private tutoring market in China, that the market has been growing so fast and so big, that it has effected the normal school education system, and has brought huge financial burdens to Chinese parents, plus other various problems arose. The China government thought they could no longer ignore this and decided to step in, forcing the private after-school tutoring companies to withdraw from the education system. The notice was given, with a relatively short period, eg. A few months. So it was not an overnight wipe out. However, I doubt that this policy would be a complete success. Since there are huge demands in China, especially from those Chinese parents, who would do whatever they can to help their children win the exam competitions,in order to get into elite universities. Whereas there is demand, there is market.

[@lioicomestai3703]

@@rsyrsy8543 Two points from me that disagree with you. On closing private tutoring business. Notice given and in few month time ahead ... From Yu Hong Min the owner of New Oriental he didn't have such luxury at all. Event few months was true as you claimed, a million $ business industry would be adequate? Only CCP and their supporters would say yes. Because in Cina there is no social institutions such as Constitutions truly protect Capital business. Same case as - 1) Jack Ma's Ann Financial 5 days prior being call stop IPO. A huge Joke made by Shi Jin Pin. 2) I didn't forget Di Di Uber's care by CCP as well. Your 2nd point is wrong too. In Cina, demand and Supply is not decided by Market at national level if needed. It is decided by ideology - Leninism. Shi Chairman can easily call university enrollment to be only opened to Workers, Peasants and Army tomorrow as Mao did. Cina people got no say. When this would happen? Not impossible. why? because Uni are running out fund supported by Government, they have to raise fees while graduates won't find jobs would be another issue. So tertiary education will decline soon. So who would won Cold War II? In 3 - 5 year we'd see. Keep smile....

[@mikelixx]

Who should own the data you have produced?

[@happyhappynuts]

​@@rsyrsy8543 it was an overnight wipe out. People started losing jobs immediately. Some key players changed there offerings, but in essence, it was an abrupt widespread change

[@rsyrsy8543]

@@lioicomestai3703 If you read my words carefully, I did not say a few months notice was enough for those gigantic private tutorial businesses. I just say it was not an overnight wipe out. In terms of giving a proper notice period, there will never be an agreement what time scale is enough, as everyone has their own points to argue with. Also, if you listen to what this professor says again, her view is that China policy tends to be dramatic and loud at the beginning, in order to show the government’s points, then gradually rolls back, adjusts according to the progress. Therefore, the consequence of the policy overall may not as effective as people thought. There is still huge demand for private tutoring, the business is still running as a matter of fact , but in smaller scale, and in more covert ways, causing less threatens to the normal school system. Regarding what you mentioned about the Cold War II, whether it exists and who would win, is irrelevant to the discussion of China’s private tutoring business.

[@bartonlee3594]

With the state set to consume China’s property industry, what could go wrong? For a start, state firms face dangerous debts. Local-government firms sit on estimated collective debt of 75trn yuan, or about 60% of gdp. When such firms buy land from local governments they merely shift money from one pocket to another. These transactions have kept money flowing into local coffers, but are building up unsustainable burdens. Some local-government firms have started to issue bonds for the sole purpose of paying off other companies’ debts. Analysts fear that this level of spending cannot continue much longer, especially in poorer provinces.

[@jaydee9953]

At the end it’s all about wealth transfer. Culturally, financially, influentially and dominance. They are willing to play “at all cost”. Let’s not forget who her father is… But she is likeable

[@skinnydogkew]

1000 times yes. Except actions speak louder than words so you don’t need an amazing understanding of nuance in their language (something that is impossible to achieve) to know what they are going to do next. It won’t be good. I’ve been to China 7 times and I’m married to a Chinese woman.

[@desmondshum2215]

I would suggest the starting point of her discussion: vested interests. Her father is a senior ccp bureaucrat in financial industry. This should be highlighted so viewers can this into consideration when examine her viewpoints

[@music123videos]

Fair point!!

[@shelleyscloud3651]

Ha! Guessed so much. Came to comments to see if I’d be better spending time on something else if this was propaganda and, BOOM, there it is. Intelligence2 really go waaaaay off target at times.

[@user-ic4ce8xb5v]

If an American's father is a member of the Republican party, you wouldn't say they had a "vested interest" if they presented positive facts about their country. Almost 100 million Chinese are CCP members, it's not exactly an exclusive country club.

[@qqx154]

Judge her on what she said. Not her background!!! Have some principle.

[@shelleyscloud3651]

@@qqx154 She’s a CCP stooge (as are you I suspect, going by your name!) The only principles they have is power & control. And I’m principled enough to reject them entirely.

[@Robert-me7ce]

A refence for background and difference perspective for this video (if you understand Chinese): kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2TZfauagKaSo68

[@peterlongland6862]

Its not a system if people gets so desprite that they have nothing to loose so they protest. Then, and only then, the government takes note and changes but also records who were the organiser of said protest only to have the government arrest said organisers. Explain to me how that is an effective feedback system??

[@kangzau1006]

Great interview. Just relax about China already. Their younger generation have the same aspirations as the west and therefore governing party is not interested in extending their hegemony. Note that she said all her chinese acquaintances are from a one-child-family however the Uyghur family she knew was allowed two. That anecdote must mean that the Uyghur in China are actually not a severely oppressed minority. And she is so articulate.

[@cedardrive4599]

If the western countries want to move ahead further, it is good that they understand China. And Keyu Jin’s book helps in this matter. But it is equally important for the western people to understand themselves also because, as the great Chinese strategist wrote in his famous book “The Art of War”, if you know yourself and know your enemy, you will win one hundred battles. But if you know your enemy but you don’t know yourself, or if you know yourself but not your enemy, you have only 50% chance of winning. And if you don’t know yourself and don’t know your enemy, you have 0% chance of ever winning a single battle. The biggest and most important difference between China and the western countries is their different economic models. The economic model that China uses is based on the hard work and ingenuity of its people, and on trade and peaceful cooperation with other countries. This model makes China rich and allows China to help other countries to become rich also. The Belt and Road Initiative, which the Chinese government launched in 2013, is one example of how China cooperates peacefully with other countries for the benefit of all the countries that participate in it. And all countries are invited to join the program. On the other hand, the economic model that the Western countries use to enrich themselves is based on stealing the wealth of the non-western countries, using brute force (military might) and other devious means such as lying, cheating, sanctioning, blackmailing, coercion, threats, etc. to carry out their robberies. They have been using this model since the early years of the 16th century when Spain and Portugal sent their armed thugs to the South and Central America to steal gold and silver that belonged to the inhabitants of these regions. Since then, the western countries have consistently been using this model until today. Currently, USA is stealing Syrian oil in Syria, using its armed thugs (USA calls them soldiers or troops) to protect the American robbers. It is true that the western people also create wealth by their work, but stealing the non-western is the major source in the acquisition of their wealth. The Industrial Revolution in Britain, the building of infrastructures in the western countries and their innovative surge during the past 5 centuries were made possible thanks to the colossal amount of wealth that they stole from the non-western countries during that period. But, though stealing made the western countries rich, it also led them to commit a lot of atrocities such as the killing of over one billion people in the non-western countries, the genocides in North America and Australia, the slaves trade across the Atlantic, and the impoverishment of all the non-western countries. However, the rise of the non-western countries, particularly China, India, Russia and Iran, in all fields including military, economy and technology is making it increasingly difficult for the western countries to steal the non-western countries. The stealing of Syrian oil by USA is maybe the last large scale robbery of the western countries. So, the western countries are now at a crossroad. They must choose either to renounce being gangs of thieves and murderers and join the community of civilised countries or face extinction.

[@bennywan4704]

💯 agreed

[@dnce9ysyjuin]

True, the West steal to lower its cost while China creates wrslth true being productive.

[@leunisvandewege9651]

Which civilized countries do you mean?

[@renesoucy3444]

This level of Stockholm syndrome is irrecoverable… you’re not hard workers, you’re terrorized slaves.

[@uselessoldman7964]

The BRI model is all about exploitation. These infrastructure projects are carefully chosen and serve Chinas specific needs, IMPORTS, and they even get the country of origin to pay for it through loans, and if they default China takes over the ownership for a specific period of time. These BRI projects all centre around one thing, raw materials, the indigents required for the Chinese manufacturing base. So don't go saying its all in good faith, cos in the end there a CON and all to often serve Chinese interests more than the loanee

[@awesome8975]

Its not getting wrong, Its intentional, there is no doubt about it.

[@mighthou3220]

Ok, I think the west is not misunderstanding China . May be in the past, but now West and China have come to see the true colors of each other. Articulate as it is , the conversation could have gone deeper.

[@barrywalsh7926]

Yes, many Chinese do return to China, but many secure a western passport, especially a Canadian or Australian passport, which are easier to obtain than an American passport.

[@freedomlife3623]

Specially those with political connections.

[@blackknight4996]

These passports have no values

[@minn.1]

Not really, most of the staff currently working for our company in China returned from studying abroad but do not hold an American or foreign passport. They chose to return to China because of career perspectives as well as other personal reasons.

[@fs5775]

@@minn.1 Riiight, like the career prospects of the unemployed recent grads in China?? 🤣

[@KinLee919]

​@@fs5775listen to the interview, china don't have a problem of lack of jobs, just unbalanced, college graduates don't wanna do factory jobs, don't wanna leave big cities and go back to hometown. And employers don't wanna hire inexperienced graduates, that's the problem.

[@ikkong8436]

A very interesting and engaging conversation. I am particularly amazed by the wide worldview of KeYu Jin and her deep knowledge of China.

[@The.world.has.gone.crazy...]

She is Chinese! 🤣

[@sumanadasawijayapala5372]

Not to mention, her dad was a former PRC vice minister of finance and the current head of the Communist-controlled AIIB, so we know she is totally objective.

[@wangxs]

That's idiotic, how can Jin possibly gain "deep knowledge of China"? A spoiled brat of a CCP crony family, she's left China since age 14 and enjoyed a privileged life ever since in NYC top private Ivy prep school, Harvard, and LSE in London. How could she really understand the Chinese grassroots or traditional culture?

[@tigading2177]

you make it sound as though "communism" is synonymous to evil, or that "Islam" is synonymous to terror/terrorist....whilst you conveniently forgot that both capitalism and christianity is the symbol of truth and benevolence. It's not the ideology, it is the outcome, the results for the greater good, just look at U$, the wealthiest nation, technically has the most trillionaires, but look at ordinary amarikans, rising homelessness, sky rocketing inflation, rents, tent cities, crumbling infra, NYC subway infamously smells like piss pot not to mention Kensington Avenue, a drug land. You implied that just because her father is a member of CPC and runs the AIIB, is questionable source, yet you have Biden the (aka the Big Guy) president and son Hunter have been taking bribe money, which is well documented, you have Trump a failed businessmen, a groper, heck you have the entire U$ administration with questionable record. @@sumanadasawijayapala5372

[@daviddesroches-wm1fq]

Words can be peace makers....but they can also be swords.😊

[@MS113MS]

I think it would be a good idea if similar interview could be arranged whereby the interviewee is the one explaining the situations in America to the Chinese audience. That will bring in greater understanding between the East and the West.

[@martin_StF]

How can you explain the scores of homeless in each city, the rubbish and graffiti and rundown or non existing infrastructure.

[@DukeLM]

Chinese universities can partly base their selections on extra curricular achievements

[@RaymondLi604]

Adaptation on self-reflection 🪞. Must be in Confucianism somewhere... 🔍

[@usagitotora3997]

NO way in hell that is going to happen! That will breed the most widespread corruption you ever see.

[@LovingFeelingThinking]

I don't think it's mainstream yet scale wise. Most universities still admit most students bases on exam results - not ideal but does ensure higher level of fairness and conducive to social mobility. If China moves top much further away from the current system toward the extra curricular achievement direction China's best universities would be monopolized by students from urban, rich, powerful families and leave kids of poor, rural families little hope.

[@whisperK1108]

Not necessary. The selection process started from early age, of course your breed and pure red origin is overwhelmingly determining, especially in 1990s, you think the child of an average family could be govt. sponsored for studying abroad in US or UK

[@LovingFeelingThinking]

@@whisperK1108 Untrue. China's educational system has been considered the last dnd only relatively fair playing ground for kids of average or poor families. The 2 most prestigious universities (Peking U and Tsinghua U) still have around 15/19% admissions from the rural areas. I speak as one of 4 children of my rural family - all of us 4 children had higher education including two of us (my brother and myself) had Master's degrees (on full scholarships - free tuition and monthly allowances - gained through competitive entrance exams and interviews, not means-tested). As children of poor peasants, my siblings and I personally witnessed and experienced the fairness of China's educational system. That's also an important basis for the meritocracy element of Chinese society.

[@RobertNeptune]

I must remind you that only Chinese experts participate in English conversations in fluent English, but no American experts participate in Chinese conversations in fluent Chinese. The understanding of China by the United States and China‘s understanding of the United States are extremely asymmetric.

[@caocaohehe]

There are , just you haven’t seen

[@RobertNeptune]

@@caocaohehe link？

[@whisperK1108]

then how about the Japanese ?

[@RobertNeptune]

@@whisperK1108 what about japanese？

[@whisperK1108]

@neprobert138 The Japanese know the Chinese much much more than the Chinese know about themselves. And the Japanese are actually the true bearer of the genuine Chinese cultural tradition from the Tang Dynasty. Not the Communist rascals.

[@nkristianschmidt]

There will be lasting peace once we sign over the Sudetenland.

[@peterlongland6862]

Yes china became the biggest producer of evs, but the interviewer didnt ask how they did that. Its a chinese con, the make and register 1000s of ev which are then left in fields to rot! Each car is register so that the count as being sold when they're not. The ev companies gets grants on the sales figures but the cars are all owned by the manufacturers. As i said a typical chinese con job!!

[@peterlongland6862]

@tristanx3508 seeing the perpetrators was BYD & they weren't the only ones and this "trick" was used in both public bike sharing and electric scooter industries, I very much doubt the ccp stopped anything. As for you question about the west stopping, yes our systems would have prevented it. Companies knows this so they don't try it in the first place, not to mention the public wouldn't let it happen either.

[@peterlongland6862]

@tristanx3508 while your talking about swift action, is Xi still going to honour his "no limit" friendship for putin. Will Xi come to putin's rescue?? If no he has condemned his best friend!