Why China Preferred Accordions To AKs | “Tidal Wave of Learning from the USSR” (mid-1950s)

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Type 56: Story of the SKS and AK-47 in China

Type 56: Story of the SKS and AK-47 in China

Күн бұрын

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@avus-kw2f213
@avus-kw2f213 6 күн бұрын
Accordions are underrated weapons of war . They have a high compactness to musical capability ratio
@BrettBaker-uk4te
@BrettBaker-uk4te 6 күн бұрын
Can't wait for the Political Officer episode. Will the channel's Political Officer be in the episode, ensuring accuracy?😊
@MrTwiggy93
@MrTwiggy93 6 күн бұрын
And yes, I am very interested in a video about the PLA rank system!
@IvanIvanoff-d4p
@IvanIvanoff-d4p 6 күн бұрын
My babushka always tell me, never underestimate 12 weird guys with instruments
@Gepedrglass
@Gepedrglass 6 күн бұрын
Admittedly, in your other talks, you've already convinced me of the importance of the political officer. But I will also excitedly wait for that video.
@ShinyUmbreon765
@ShinyUmbreon765 6 күн бұрын
Precision machining is hard to boot strap, getting machines to make machines is huge.
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 5 күн бұрын
"Getting machines to make machines"--When you put it that way, that really brings home the enormity.
@ethanmckinney203
@ethanmckinney203 5 күн бұрын
One of my subjects is the French Air Force and aviation industry in the run-up to the Second World War. The French were heavily dependent on imported machine tools, which was a serious problem both financially (foreign exchange) and for the speed of expanding all of their military production. Even fairly advanced industrial economies have bottlenecks at the stage of building machines to build machines. One of the most dramatic was the absolutely immense milling machines for metal propeller blades. The biggest manufacturer had (I believe) two. The French were constantly producing more airframes than engines and more engines than propellers.
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 4 күн бұрын
@ethanmckinney203 This is AWESOME stuff! Thank you!
@revantii
@revantii 4 күн бұрын
Interestingly enough, the types of East meets West culture clashes were very prevalent in the Korean War. Especially the stark differences in life, outlook, and culture of the two ideologically opposing sides which lead to often funny/tragic stories. There was this account of a group of American POWs who were captured at the Chosin and lead to a abandoned hut. The Americans were freezing and one of their PVA guards risked his life to start a small fire outside and boil water for the POWs to drink. Not having had a shower or bath for weeks on end, the GIs thought the hot water was for washing themselves. When the guard comes back inside the hut, sees the murky filth that is in their communal cooking pot and absolutely loses it, kicking the pot over and threatening to shoot the GIs. The guard was stopped by an officer and it was explained to the Americans what the hot water was for. The Americans, bewildered because Westerners don't usually drink plain hot water simply said they didn't know but to the Chinese who prefer hot water, it was deeply insulting. For the Easterners, it was like inviting someone into your home, serving them tea and having the guest urinate in the cup.
@onecertainordinarymagician
@onecertainordinarymagician 5 күн бұрын
My grandfather was a Piano professor in China. He was practically orphaned by Chiang's Changsha Fire of 1938 (He found his father eventually after many years), but after the founding of the PRC, he was able to be enrolled into a school playing, you guessed it, the Accordion. Then he became an Accordion teacher, and even after the school got a piano, he would still teach Accordion because the piano cannot be moved outdoors. He would stick to his love of the Accordion, and I know he had 3~4 sets in his old house. I guessed the ramped-up Accordion production was also because schools were beginning to be established all around China at the time, and they needed instruments.
@92GreyBlue
@92GreyBlue 3 күн бұрын
wtf so after the fire his dad just said fuck it?
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept Күн бұрын
Amazing!! Thank you for chiming in!!
@onecertainordinarymagician
@onecertainordinarymagician 15 сағат бұрын
@@92GreyBlue The fire devastated 90% of the 2000-year-old city's buildings, rendering it one the most damaged cities in WW2, along with the likes of Tokyo, Dresden and Stalingrad. I think some confusion among the people is in place, to put it mildly.
@davidk6269
@davidk6269 6 күн бұрын
You had me at “accordions”. And “vomit”. 😅😂
@deanzaZZR
@deanzaZZR 5 күн бұрын
@4:50 中苏人民的友谊万岁古长青. Long live the friendship of the Chinese and Soviet peoples. I will note that this poster is using simplified Chinese characters unlike the earlier poster in this episode.
@wasa8680
@wasa8680 6 күн бұрын
I have heard tale of the legendary PLA accordian tactics. Lol.
@oliversmith9200
@oliversmith9200 6 күн бұрын
Ha ha! Learning is fun with this professor!
@wbwarren57
@wbwarren57 6 күн бұрын
Another great episode! Thank you.
@deanzaZZR
@deanzaZZR 5 күн бұрын
Accordion music and a few cute young revolutionary ladies with rosy cheeks and pigtails. You had to be there!
@nilsmadej9091
@nilsmadej9091 6 күн бұрын
I used to learn accordion years ago, and I recently bought one and started to get back into it... I should put more elbow grease into it to spread the good word of Mao among the populous!
@Chiller11
@Chiller11 5 күн бұрын
I didn’t realize that the Chinese would associate the Soviet Union with the accordion. Then, of course, I realized that the most widely recognized virtuosic group utilizing the accordion in North America is of Eastern European descent . I’m speaking of course of those musical prodigies from Leutonia, the Schmenge Brothers. Well more precisely Stan Schmenge, his brother Yosh being equally amazing on the clarinet.
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 5 күн бұрын
@@Chiller11 Yeah, it makes me think of a youth in Cleveland with Polish and Slovenian wedding receptions at the union hall.
@dontwalkdontrun
@dontwalkdontrun 6 күн бұрын
Before the electric guitar in the 1950s the accordion was the most popular musical instrument in America. Elvis ended all that noise here.
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 6 күн бұрын
For real??!!! I grew up in Cleveland (home of the Polka Hall of Fame!) and had a Romanian accordion player in my 2nd grade class, but I didn't know that it had ever had much traction anywhere else in the country. I learn so much in this place!
@kiltedcossack
@kiltedcossack 6 күн бұрын
@@Type56_Ordnance_Dept Sir, you need some Flaco Jiminez in your life!
@deanzaZZR
@deanzaZZR 5 күн бұрын
@6:10 我們共同反對侵略戰爭. 保衛遠東和世界和平. We jointly oppose wars of aggression and defend the Far East and world peace.
@brucermarino
@brucermarino 5 күн бұрын
Thanks again for a wonderful series of talks. Perhaps a dumb question: Is not the ancient Chinese theme of Confucianism a form of merit and technocracy? Wonderful work!Thanks!
@lolwutyoumad
@lolwutyoumad 5 күн бұрын
That would be legalism
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 5 күн бұрын
@@brucermarino To paint with a slightly broad brush (but then again, it's a course about guns!), the usual Confucian civil service curricular formula went "merit & virtue + liberal education to get the job; then learn the practical skills of governance through OJT."
@brucermarino
@brucermarino 5 күн бұрын
@@Type56_Ordnance_Dept Thank you, Professor!
@kevinlau9018
@kevinlau9018 6 күн бұрын
This is my bright red sun in the sky, illuminating the dark finals.
@blujthewombat
@blujthewombat 5 күн бұрын
I really hope we get to cover where and how these weapons ended up in various countries and conflicts, id love to hear how some of those deals were made and what the people that used the weapons outside of china thought. I know that in Iraq that many people if given a choice between a chinese made ak and one from a european country, they would always pick the european option.
@Omniseed
@Omniseed 6 күн бұрын
For some reason I've been thinking the 'accordion' was a nickname for one of the drum magazine Soviet subguns but then that goes directly against the emphasis on close quarters contact and night fighting without leading off with gunfire
@keithagn
@keithagn 5 күн бұрын
Great video/ lecture. I learned a lot. Thank you! And Regards from the Left Coast of Canada formally known as British Columbia 😀
@deanzaZZR
@deanzaZZR 5 күн бұрын
@2:30 歌唱勝利! 歌唱我們情愛的祖國! Sing to victory! Sing to our loving motherland!
@billyzhao3427
@billyzhao3427 6 күн бұрын
Please make an episode dedicated to soviet influence on China in music and arts ONLY. The accordions is just a tip of the iceberg. Soviet films during that period are heavily influential and many of those movies featured accordions and trains for some reason. In the meantime, the use of JIan Pu (numbered music notation system) become widely used in place of traditional music notations on staff. For instance, Do or C is 1, Re or D is 2, and so on. I find all this quite interesting. I thought Americans, owning its homage to Europen traditions shouldn't have this problem but then I learned that most Americans don't know solfege system as their Europen cohorts do. At least Chinese sing in Do, Re, Mi ... It is very awkward to sing in C-D-E-F ....
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 5 күн бұрын
Holy cow, I think YOU should do the episode! I don't know much about this stuff, especially the musical side.
@billyzhao3427
@billyzhao3427 5 күн бұрын
@@Type56_Ordnance_Dept kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIbckmh6d9uqlcksi=Q92rQMPDGPrUynAi - quite a fantastic and fummy movie. Fast forward to 2:16:00 you will know what I mean...
@johnfisk811
@johnfisk811 6 күн бұрын
I recall a Soviet officer equating the role of the political officer in the Soviet army to that of the Chaplains in the British army. Moral guidance and material welfare.
@parkerlong2658
@parkerlong2658 5 күн бұрын
Considering how many died on the front lines and some of the stories of these men i often find the depiction of these guys as basically brainwashing cyborgs coldlessly killing traitors to the revolution as a bit much. Especially when so many of them where completely willing to die and even fight for there brothers in arms. Definitely one of the weirder aspects of american depictions of a unit in warfare even if its understandable considering the connstations of a political officer in american media
@ChaohsiangChen
@ChaohsiangChen 6 күн бұрын
So, the equivalent of banjos and electric guitars in the US military to the PLA is accordions. Got it.
@MrTwiggy93
@MrTwiggy93 6 күн бұрын
Is this honeymoon the reason why the PLA adopted Soviet style uniforms in 1955 and not during the Stalin era like the other Comblock countries?
@MrTwiggy93
@MrTwiggy93 6 күн бұрын
Oh, I see you answered my question a few minutes later😅
@QingPingYang-lx5kh
@QingPingYang-lx5kh 5 күн бұрын
When I was in china same thing happened to me. I was given a dish of pigeon which I did not want to eat. I was assured in was not the dove of peace. Somehow that did not help😢
@johnyricco1220
@johnyricco1220 6 күн бұрын
The accordion produce a wall of sound and it kind of transports you to Russia if you hear a Russian tune played.
@bolkansky6272
@bolkansky6272 2 күн бұрын
My grandfather joined the PLAN in the late 1950s after graduating from the Russian department of university and later became a political officer. He returned to the local area in the 1970s and became a political official too.Despite experiencing many upheavals, he is proud of his past service and still a staunch MLM fundamentalist to this day.
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 2 күн бұрын
Far OUT! Thank you for sharing!
@bolkansky6272
@bolkansky6272 2 күн бұрын
@ Thank you equally for introducing the development of the PLA to the English speaking viewer👍If you continue to update, I will also add some details to your content in the comments based on my understanding
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 2 күн бұрын
@@bolkansky6272 Yes, please! Knowledge is a group effort!
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 6 күн бұрын
One key to a good teacher is passion. Dr Jason Clower has passion about the subject of the PLA. Thanks for explaining the accordion--I had a vague idea that proved wrong about the accordion reference. One of many takeaways from this module is that the PLA and the Party didn't split. In the USSR the Party and the military and the intelligence organs formed a troika. In Germany the Nazi Party and the military were in competition, despite the Fuhrer originally being a communist who was tasked by the army with penetrating a "workers' party" that the army spy eventually took over. It would be interesting to see the point where the PLA and the Party fractured. The fracture point must have been answering the question of "who is on top?" Domination over collaboration destroys empires. Another important takeaway is that technology is dependent upon culture. When "math is racist," engineering a skyscraper that doesn't topple over becomes a matter of luck. China used to be the most advanced empire on the planet. How isolated little England came to dominate more of the world than the Roman Empire is partially due to the decay of the Chinese Empire, which existed at least in name until the year 1911. Becoming a carbon copy of the Soviet Army didn't work because China wasn't a Russian-dominated Soviet Union. Even T. E. Lawrence knew better than to pattern the Arab army after the successful British Army during World War One--Arab culture isn't English and today's Middle Eastern militaries didn't adopt a key feature of the English system--experienced sergeants running the military while the officers commanded.
@mathesonthenosedestroyer2147
@mathesonthenosedestroyer2147 6 күн бұрын
I got a question, how were their bayonets supposed to be sharpened?
@robertkalinic335
@robertkalinic335 6 күн бұрын
On SKS? They weren't supposed to, it has folding spike.
@ChaohsiangChen
@ChaohsiangChen 6 күн бұрын
It's called a spike bayonet. You only sharpen the tip. It has no practical use other than poking holes and used as a lever. Lee Enfield No.4 has it as well.
@ChaohsiangChen
@ChaohsiangChen 6 күн бұрын
"總幹部部" Seriously, who came up with this name?
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 5 күн бұрын
OK, I feel validated that it seems weird to cultured native speakers too. (To me it sounds like baby talk.) Turns out, the culprit is our old friend, Translation By Dictionary!
@ChaohsiangChen
@ChaohsiangChen 5 күн бұрын
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 幹部 means the stem staff, or core staff in English. However, since 幹 in Chinese is basically also used the way the "F" word is used, with or without certain connotations, 幹部 is also understood in the Chinese military jargon as 被幹的部. Now you know how screwed up the naming is.
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 5 күн бұрын
@@ChaohsiangChen 🤣🤣🤣
@KTo288
@KTo288 5 күн бұрын
4:40 this poster is just asking for a BL fanfic to be written for it.
@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120
@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120 5 күн бұрын
Hey type 56 i have a question: how would you rate shelled out cratered terrain in terms of micro-terrain tactics, as far as id guess its both amazing and awful at the same time since the wavy terrain is dirupted by shell crater which is awful if you havve to crawl in and out of them while not knowing how deep some of them are, but it also has tons of vantage points for ambush.
@deanzaZZR
@deanzaZZR 5 күн бұрын
The posters keep coming! I think I will stop here @6:50 中苏两国人民和军队的友谊万岁! Long live the friendship of the Chinese and Soviet peoples and military!
@b.griffin317
@b.griffin317 6 күн бұрын
Fun fact: when I clicked on this there were 56 likes.
@alancranford3398
@alancranford3398 5 күн бұрын
This is the Chinese rifle that the Type 56 replaced including a range session and a rifle match: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y57XaoabrJ6crck It's not an accordion! No bayonet assault course? Note the muzzle flash in bright daylight. The owner is proud of his Type 53 even when he had a jam. Who believes that bolt action rifles never jam? The short Mosin-Nagant had muzzle blast and kicks harder than the M1 Rifle. Score another two points for the Type 56 carbine--less muzzle blast and less recoil.
@toepopper
@toepopper 3 күн бұрын
An interesting exhibit at the Korean War Memorial shows a PVA soldier armed with an SKS and noting that SKS were part of the PVA's arsenal along with Mosins and PPS/PPSh. Resisting the kneejerk urge to discount this as making the PVA/KPA looking more dangerous than they were, is there any indication that the PVA might have had SKSs? The condition of the SKSs is not great, suggesting (but not proving) battlefield capture.
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 2 күн бұрын
There's actually a viewer who's been writing an article on this very question! Let's see if he'll make himself known. (His answer, as I understand it, is no.)
@toepopper
@toepopper Күн бұрын
On reflection the SKS I saw could have been a battlefield capture from Vietnam not necessarily from the Korean War, which would square with the condition.
@SteveJones-g7c
@SteveJones-g7c Күн бұрын
@@toepopper Hi as Jason mentions I have been researching this for a forthcoming article. The short answer is no the SKS was not used in the Korean war. The SKS on display in the Korean War museum as I understand it is labelled as "a rifle used by North Korea" not mentioning when it was captured, so was probably after the war as you say.
@toepopper
@toepopper Күн бұрын
@@SteveJones-g7c Hi Steve, thanks for backing my intuition up with facts! I found that the War Memorial, while very moving and broadly accurate, had very... uh... specifically South Korean takes on events that an independent viewer might not necessarily have gone with.
@davidk6269
@davidk6269 6 күн бұрын
11:25 I understand that the PLA did not have ranks (and certainly not different uniforms for different ranks) during the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese war, which they remedied after this conflict. Did the PLA remove ranks during the Cultural Revolution?
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 5 күн бұрын
Bingo! You guessed it!!!
@davidk6269
@davidk6269 5 күн бұрын
@@Type56_Ordnance_Dept Yay! I got something right for once! By the way, I love your channel. I look forward to each and every upload from you. ; )
@leonardwei3914
@leonardwei3914 4 күн бұрын
The Soviets did something similar when they issued the memo: "Soviet of People’s Commissars, Abolition of Military Ranks and Titles. December 30, 1917" 1. To do away with all ranks and titles from the rank of corporal to that of general, inclusive. The army of the Russian Republic is henceforth to be composed of free and equal citizens bearing the honorable title of “soldier of the revolutionary army” Ranks were eventually restored in 1935 and 1940s for higher command officers.
@chikinnungetsucks1801
@chikinnungetsucks1801 4 күн бұрын
Is the picture you reference at the beginning of the video, the one about the guy playing the accordion and the one holding an ak, perhaps the same picture used as a thumbnail for this north Korean song (link :kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5K5eY2Vadp_atU) (The video is called North Korean Song: For My One and Only Motherland)?
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 2 күн бұрын
WOW!!!!!!!! No, it was nowhere even close to that fantabulous. That is a Liberace level of awesomeness.
@dickiewongtk
@dickiewongtk 5 күн бұрын
Do political loyalty and ideological purity win wars?
@KTo288
@KTo288 5 күн бұрын
Without loyalty to something higher than yourself you just end up with cliques and factions, bandits and warlords looking out for their own personal interests. Every nation's military, well every functioning one, indoctrinates its military in ideology. you can see this even in America as seen in its ritual swearing of loyalty to the flag and what it represents ,the constitution and protecting it from all enemies foreign and domestic etc; and as for political purity, espousing racist, anti-democratic and Nazi sympathies will get soldiers drummed out of the militaries of multiple Western nations. the ideology and what us considered puremay vary but it will be there.
@Arbiter099
@Arbiter099 5 күн бұрын
Accordion production tripled? 🤣
@warheadsnation
@warheadsnation 4 күн бұрын
Vietnamese APT = Armed Propaganda Team Chinese APT = Accordion Propaganda Team
@AGS363
@AGS363 6 күн бұрын
19:32 Do you really have to ask?
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 5 күн бұрын
Truly truly, I have found my people.
@DragonTamerCos
@DragonTamerCos 5 күн бұрын
i have a formal objection to this video: At the end of the video, you made the choice to pronounce the name "Khrushchev" more inline with the Russian pronunciation, even if it is unconventional to English speakers. But, you refuse to say "CPC", you only ever say "CCP". CCP is incorrect, it should be CPC, Communist Party (Country), that we've been doing it in English since the second Internationale. CPUSA, CPI (Communist Party India), CPB, CPG (Communist Party of Greece (KKE)). This is very bothering to me, imo, it is very "othering" to the CPC (not that the current incarnation of the CPC deserves any love from me Ideologically). Anyway, point being, if you can go against your English speaking urges and pronounce Khrushchev in an unconventional way, you can go against your American urges and say the name of the Communist Patty of China's name in the correct way for an English speaker.
@stoneylonesome4062
@stoneylonesome4062 6 күн бұрын
Jason, do you watch Nick Mullen/The Adam Friedland Show/Cum Town?
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept
@Type56_Ordnance_Dept 5 күн бұрын
No, should I check it out? Will it land me on a no-fly list? 🤣
@92GreyBlue
@92GreyBlue 3 күн бұрын
Starting off the video with such fake laughter was a bad call.
@tzenzhongguo
@tzenzhongguo 5 күн бұрын
WTF sounds like North Korea which this love of the accordion.
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