Why Clone Characters Failed In Smash Ultimate

[@SonicTheCutehog]

The bigger problem was that most of the echoed weren't really different from their base character (Daisy, Dark Samus, Richter). They just felt like glorified alts.

[@JeJaJeJa]

I think Echo Fighters have so much potential and then... they just didnt do too much with em

[@TavaresSSB]

@@JeJaJeJa One of the saddest things in Smash Ultimate

[@RaheemRollair]

THANK YOU for talking about clones and Echo Fighters. No one else is seriously talking about how much of a Propaganda the cloning concept is, so much so that the Echo Fighter concept was an absolute waste...

[@OrangeToadGamer]

I feel like Daisy could have been so much more unique by not giving her Peach's float and having her pull weaker versions of the Fire Flower & Lip's Stick items in her Down B to match with her flower theme *now granted, not giving her float would basically be a nerf, but she literally doesn't even float in any other media she appears in, and she needs SOMETHING to make her different from Peach so she isn't just a glorified alt skin* 😭🙏

[@TavaresSSB]

@@OrangeToadGamer Actually so disappointing that she didn't even get at LEAST the doctor Mario treatment

[@SonicTheCutehog]

I'm surprised Mario and Dr. Mario weren't on here

[@TavaresSSB]

@@SonicTheCutehog Definitely couldve included those two, kind of a blunder from me lol

[@devonlucero2113]

I like playing both and imo they're different enough to not suffer from this. Mario is a bit more consistent, faster, with a better recovery. Doc is slower and floaty, with a shit recovery, but his knockback and kill potential due to weird hurt boxes and crazy knockback makes him super explosive. They play very differently

[@Spyder-Marth]

Clone characters are too similar to their counterparts to a point where if one version is better, like Lucina, why play the OG like Marth? It makes no sense how they went about it, honestly. I really wish they just put more effort into making Marth better instead of just making lazier Marth aka Lucina, but it's whatever. I still love Marth more just because the tipper sound effects are just *that* juicy, but he undeniably sucks compared to the top tier swordies. They need to buff his sour spots so they can kill better. I think they are waaay too weak

[@justice8718]

Lucina confuses me because they could’ve put sweet spots in the middle of her sword.

[@gqboygboy6930]

Your content has been so good to watch lately! Also I see the appeal of clone characters because some echos like Marcina and the shoots are catered towards different playstyles

[@zachmadden9077]

Mii brawlers meta has been my favorite in this game, insanely good kill confirms and some really stupid tools make brawler super satisfying

[@im_Spade_]

Petition for real alts for characters that deserve em. Peach/Daisy, Samus/Dark Samus, Simon/Richter etc we don't need another slot just to say they're a separate character in the game 😂 Feels kinda cheap

[@ElWeyChingon]

Echo fighters were such a disappointment. I was so hyped for Dark Samus but her having the same moves def killed my hype

[@ikan2192]

LET'S GO TAVARES WOOOO

[@dagoodboy6424]

Surprised u dint mention ness/lucas or villager/isabell or the links.

[@TavaresSSB]

I think all of those characters are relatively close to each other on a tier list where I REALLY wanted to talk about the characters that aren't that close to each other (the closest is probably Ken and Ryu but still)

[@NicoJenkinw-es1gs]

Lucas isn’t an echo fighter lmao

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

Lucas is NOT an echo fighter.

[@alexanderartz2288]

Never liked clone characters. I’d rather they branched out and put in other popular requested characters with their own unique moves instead. Even if it means less characters overall. Most of these clone characters should have just been unique costumes over the original character model.

[@collinstaten5374]

Calling Pichu a clone or echo to Pikachu is kinda crazy ngl they're not really that similar at all they want different things. Also Pichu was purposely programmed as a joke character ever since melee. He wasn't supposed to be good. Hope this helps

[@moon_dazer]

Congrats on 900+ followers! Anyways yay new upload!!! Good video 💖💖💖

[@TavaresSSB]

Thank you! Hoping to go to 1000 at the end of the year

[@DeathDemon346]

On pikachu ​vs pichu both are very lightweight pichu recovery is just worst @TavaresSSB

[@JohnDoe-tt5qc]

They really need to bite the bullet and just make the ‘echo fighters’ into alternate costumes in the next installment. I don’t care if Sakurai thinks it wouldn’t make sense for Dark Pit to have Pits final smash (actual talking point from when Ultimate was about to come out), it makes way more sense to not waste development time on making worse versions of characters.

[@Spyder-Marth]

Yup I wholeheartedly agree with this. Sakurai is so undeniably stubborn when it comes to stuff like this. Nintendo devs need to put their foot down next iteration. The waste of development time on echoes like Lucina when they could just make a whole new character or make Marth actually function is just crazy

[@crish9847]

People just praise SSBU for it's large character roster but don't realize how many of them have lame, unoriginal movesets many of which are undeserving of being in the game.

[@NicoJenkinw-es1gs]

It’s not a terrible game

[@GreenBunnyGamesGuides]

love your videos man

[@TavaresSSB]

@@GreenBunnyGamesGuides Thanks a ton!!

[@scottphillips227]

starting off the vid saying pichus hutbox isn't small enough is cooked. opinion status - invalidated

[@TavaresSSB]

@@scottphillips227 Sorry to say but I really do think his hurtbox getting nerfed was unnecessary and hurt him a lot overall