Appreciate the feature in the video this is an excellent breakdown of how controller input can be a viable option for shooting titles.
@gryz592110 ай бұрын
ayy happy to see you here buddy
@theyoloyoyo580210 ай бұрын
Ive been ranting (to myself) for the last like two years about how rotational ai.m assist is stupid for crossplay and how gyro/flickstick should be the new standard. Im glad to see that i wasnt full of shit and that it really should be the new controller input standard 👍
@SendManHell0696 ай бұрын
Gyro I don’t even count as using a controller
@xCl4udiu5x6 ай бұрын
Gyro is still suck on big maps like battle royales, for a small maps its kinda good to have
@theyoloyoyo58026 ай бұрын
@@xCl4udiu5x ive wondered about that before. Maybe fighting at range with gyro will be the skill gap. Time will tell if people are able to figure that out, time will tell.
@xCl4udiu5x6 ай бұрын
@@theyoloyoyo5802 if game have a cross input, game should have aa bcs mouse is much much more precision than sticks so I think the best option is a decressing range when you get closer to enemy
@theyoloyoyo58026 ай бұрын
@@xCl4udiu5x thats what apex does, but aa in apex is one of the most complained about versions due to most fights in apex being decided by close range pushes, where aa absolutely dominates. This is why i look for alternatives to classical rotational aim assist, its just so incompatible with other non assisted inputs.
@hellatrashmeme160910 ай бұрын
the goat. i would love to see a dedicated community of cs players using only controllers
@saltynutzftw10 ай бұрын
honestly they should just drop cs2 on console
@SuperTopmaster10 ай бұрын
There's dozens of us, DOZENS :D
@idkrossplay10 ай бұрын
There's a community like that but for Valorant, there's 50+ people that all play the game on controller
@redline8419 ай бұрын
They'd start calling iHardScope a hacker because everyone is using 360 pads while he uses a dual shock with motion
@idkrossplay9 ай бұрын
@@redline841 no we already have a community and we all use gyro. There are thousands of us and in terms of how many play cs, hundreds
@FHGryphonIRL10 ай бұрын
As a kbm player I find gyro so sick that I’ve even messed around with it for fun. I used to play a lot of quake and thought it might be fun to see how well it worked. Surprisingly I did decent even with bare minimum practice. And like you said not running out of mouse space is huge for movement lol. Hope gyro goes big someday even though I’d never main it myself
@tekgeekster10 ай бұрын
I too, dabble in some quack. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@FlickStickVids10 ай бұрын
- Make multiple videos barely mentioning motion controls - accumulate millions of views and thousands of followers - post this video. - gyro aim is saved :D (Final fantasy fanfare starts playing in the background) Hahaha! Jokes aside, I'm really glad you made this video, hope people get it!
@SuperTopmaster10 ай бұрын
Very nice explanation. I'm in the camp that believes that the lack of innovation in the base controller design plus the lack of hardware options for gyro-supported controllers are the major factors that's holding back the gyro input method. It sucks, but at least you're getting the word out there! Thanks for that.
@blocksberg375810 ай бұрын
Im mouse and keyboard all my life, and that wont change, always kinda looked down on Controller ( weird enough lets not talk about the elitism thing happening) but you actually convinced me of your point, sick gameplay, nicely formatted video, very epic sir
@Franwow10 ай бұрын
This dude is my dad
@GoCinq59 ай бұрын
Mio padre?
@neotrnty47176 ай бұрын
this is miracle
@rawfear16 ай бұрын
he came back with the milk?\
@zerocore_10 ай бұрын
6:35 Preach brother! Once I got used to gyro aim I could never go back to playing with aim assist. it feels unresponsive and sluggish in comparison
@JibbSmartGD10 ай бұрын
Great breakdown. Thanks for making this! And your shooting always amazes me
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
nope, thank you jibb
@Smith00310 ай бұрын
great video bro you are extremely underappreciated in the scene, never stop doing what you love
@ncrtrooperscout10 ай бұрын
I'm thinking about transitioning to gyro for all but Counter-Strike (somewhat) because I want my counter-strafing to be precise in CS. While sticks are much more ergonomic since you don't have to hold another button to walk like in M&K, sticks are not tactile and fast to counter-strafe. The Fighting Game Community is going through their own controller fiasco with the "Hitbox Controller" (AKA leverless) and how you can change walk directions fast as well as do command inputs fast on Hitbox because it's a keyboard layout but with arcade buttons for movement. If a pro were to use gyro it would not be with a controller. I think it would be with a VR controller on one hand and a keyboard on the other (which I might do if I go full gyro on Counter-Strike.) Hopefully gyro phases out aim assist because of how stupid it is. Great video and discussion.
@forginator10 ай бұрын
hell yeah you've convinced me to give this a try, will start my journey asap
@robroy19678 ай бұрын
Pretty well put together video dude, good job.
@BruuhFPS-cd1rk10 ай бұрын
0:56 how is this map in CS?
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
you have be prestige 10
@gogurtkid871210 ай бұрын
@@iHardScope loll
@Lovvkeyy10 ай бұрын
because i said so
@keekienkream10 ай бұрын
workshop maps bruh
@yeetmaster838910 ай бұрын
Love the dedication and passion towards controllers and gyro, I've also been trying to push the boundaries of what the controller can do with a vid in my channel of me hitting 98k on gridshot aimlabs with controller. Big ups to you man!!!
@rhskgames10 ай бұрын
I just bought a Vader 3 Pro , got a gyro , dude , you don't know how you made me really happy to try for different games
@CandarianGaming10 ай бұрын
So right about mouse technology being far ahead of controllers. In saying that though, we're doing what we can with the controller tech we have and we'll only get better with future tech.
@nuoz33266 күн бұрын
I love that you have prooven controllers are a liable. My best friend has lost 2 fingers on his left hand and cant game with mouse and keyboard. This is awsome and gives me hope for him, thanks❤️
@ewfim594410 ай бұрын
You’re crazy bro keep doing what you are doing
@jadedaim10 ай бұрын
personally i think pro level with drawingpads could be possible, if i remember correctly people have reached radiant with it in valorant which is wild
@tekgeekster10 ай бұрын
It's very good for having a stable aim. Only thing I can see it having trouble with until proven otherwise is flexibility.
@BagelGloryHole10 ай бұрын
Amazing video man. I have been shitting on aim assist for a while and whenever I get in debate with someone about it being not possible to play against pc players with controllers that aim assist is needed for them. I use you as a reference of its possible to play good especially with gyro that they just need to practice and ditch aim assist cause its a toxic feature in fps games needs to be ditched imo. Keep kicking k&m users with that controller man
@aboveaveragebayleaf92164 ай бұрын
Your statement at 5:20 about people without m&kb experience is another reason why I think there should be a PS5 port with crossplay. It could have gyro by default, and easily accessible flick stick settings. We could improve accessibility, allow friends to play together, and hopefully make gyro more mainstream.
@Rabidhotdog10 ай бұрын
bro ur ak glove combo is insane, so nice. u rly need a m9 tho. maybe stiletto vanilla
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
been thinking about a stiletto vanilla
@smashingbumpers22 күн бұрын
gyro is also huge for mobile shooters, it allows for more precise aiming when paired with aiming with the finger
@Feztek6264 ай бұрын
This is what Splatoon has done right for years, gyro controls with no support for kbm made it the standard. Everybody, and I mean everyone plays with it. Just wait till the community moves to games that aren't on the switch.
@IAmAGyroGamer10 ай бұрын
We need a standard controller layout if we want Gyro aim to succeed. And a game that should be the gateway to gyro aim and flick stick. Valve had made the Steam Input menu for controllers. Gyro aim and Flick Stick are only available for the Steam Deck, Steam Controller, PlayStation and Nintendo Switch controllers. Xbox doesn't have any and Microsoft is behind on that technology. If you want to settle the argument of KB&M vs controller, get Gyro aim as an option to open up. Generate some buzz about it. Gyro aim is all skill from the gamepad player, like kb&m players. Close the gap between KB&M and controllers to point where it's a matter of preference. Heck, there was a time when CS:GO had native gyro aim and flick stick settings in the options. It was fun playing the game on the Steam Deck, and the Steam Input allowed me to modify controller bindings to whatever action I want to use on a specific button. Another point that should've been mentioned in the video is that Aim Assist are often used on controllers because of the lack of precision and accuracy the joysticks have to offer. The gyroscopes bypass the issue and use the whole controller like a mouse in the air, and you can hold a button to pause it when using the Steam Input, or on Fortnite's Touch and Motion options. A mouse uses motion directly from using your hand and arm, translating the camera movement in a one to one manner. Joysticks can move the camera sure, but it's a vague command that keeps telling the camera whatever direction the joystick is being pushed. When it's calibrated correctly, the gyroscopes read motion input by rotation, and it translates the camera in a one to one manner, just like with a mouse. Flick Stick is a new input method where the camera rotates horizontally based where you flick the stick to. When calibrated correctly, you can flick 90 degress by flicking to the right, or do 360 turns by spinning the whole stick. The only drawback is that it only rotates horizontally, but since it should always be used alongside with gyro aim, the drawback is mitigated since the gyro can help you aim up and down as well. Flick Stick is the new controller way for wide mouse movements to change directions.
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
i agree, more standardized and simplified settings would make it way easier to pick up.
@redline8419 ай бұрын
Sadly most gamers these days don't give a fuck about actual skill and just abuse AA as a skill
@mmvvmАй бұрын
i already bought xbox series xs controller before knowing gyro :(. damn, didn't know that gyro was so useful
@DAG_M10 ай бұрын
Hello Mr. Hard Scope. Do you bind voice chat on your controller as well? Regarding Gyro aiming, it is an emergent technology in modern fpses. It's been on a market for a while but in PC gaming it is stil a new thing. I hope to see the gap closing between mouse nad controller in the nearest future. Great vids :)
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
i use the circle button for push to talk.
@tekgeekster10 ай бұрын
@@iHardScopeThen what does the mute button do?
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
@@tekgeekster mutes my mic in obs from when i was streaming
@ronaldmorgan-et1ik10 ай бұрын
you going places bro u need to upload more
@lucasa_310110 ай бұрын
mad respect controller is a massive disadvantage but you manage to pull it off W
@TheACTIONZ10 ай бұрын
Not a massive disadvantage did you even watch the vid?
@EMERALDkoda959 ай бұрын
dude i might have to get myself a gyro controller and give this a try, ik its gunna be a huge learning curve but i wanna give this a shot
@707abhishekАй бұрын
I play witcher 3 and RDR2 on PC using dualsense Gyro, but still watching you play CS2 using controller is ridiculous to me.
@phantxmblxze10 ай бұрын
In my videos I play no aim assist max sense with the joystick and honestly its not as bad as people make it. Im able to snap to any target no matter what, and im about to track targets perfectly. I think gyro is definitely revolutionary, and it needs to be advertised more, but i think no aim assist on controller with just a stick isnt bad at all. Not many people understand how to do it and there is definitely a learning curve but i doubt the learning curve for sticks is anywhere near the learning curve for gyro. The biggest issue I've seen is that people wanna be good fast and they dont want to put in the necessary work to be good or professional and i blame aim asisst and people who think they need it. I've played against mnk players in 1v1s or in the middle of random gameswithout it and I've come out on top multiple times and the main thing ive seen that tends to determine the outcome of the 1v1 is SKILL and understanding of the game. This has also been shown with the 1v1 between jynxzi and shroud. Aim assist isnt needed, Skill is needed but a lot of players are lazier about it.
@tekgeekster10 ай бұрын
Another thing to think about. Every game treats stick aim almost completely different from one another. It's frustrating. Cod, Halo, Battlefield, and overwatch stick aim all feel almost completely different from one another, and consumers are at the mercy of devs making it that way on console. With steam input, you can map it to mouse and mess with an exponential curve, and it generally feels a million times better than half the crap console games tend to use.
@phantxmblxze10 ай бұрын
@tekgeekster I've noticed that. It's very annoying. Playing Cod then switching to apex feels so terrible cause on apex I have hella stick drift but on cod it's so smooth. It bothers me most of the time
@Shiddyvet10 ай бұрын
Dudes killin it!
@dvnte262110 ай бұрын
In conclusion I skipped to the gameplay part bcs all this talking changes nothing. Love you bro, watching you play on a controller is mega satisfying
@kostapoumpouridis253010 ай бұрын
Splatoon was a great example of embracing the gyro aiming. That’s the reason why I like to play offline shooters with gyro.
@pjshurm10 ай бұрын
our ursus knives look hella similar, caught me off guard for a sec.
@pikayioo9 ай бұрын
ive been searching an actual cs controller player youtuber i can relate to
@O_7910 ай бұрын
the gap is the hardware, also whats up with ur voice u good bro?
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
allergies go stupid
@Nikiboo328 ай бұрын
played on console my whole life moved to pc in 2018 and i switched to using keyboard and mouse while i do think using keyboard and mouse should be the default it is cool to see someone doing good with a controller individual skill at work the human spirit triumphing over the machine
@AjkillJensen10 ай бұрын
Hi. You are the perfekt proof "motion controlls" is not a gimmick! Mad respect! Do you currently only use steam input? I would really like to play CS on my controller. If you still use reWASD, which of the 4 layouts do you use?
@AjkillJensen10 ай бұрын
The comments in the other video tells me it is only steam input
@redline84110 ай бұрын
Motion aim is a gimmick, just like how headshots are a gimmick :^)
@gdoomz810910 ай бұрын
Hope to see someone using on Major someday that would be hype
@r3dd3_210 ай бұрын
love the content, i dont even play cs, but ive been trying to get used to controller, as aim assist is a lil too much in ranked play in cod. ive always been a kbm player, but gyro is smth i gotta look into. thanks again!
@youngphil876610 ай бұрын
Sick vid bro
@amazing3849 ай бұрын
YOU ARE A LEGEND
@suzuki_mr320010 ай бұрын
well, it's cool that once there will be 1 player with 10 thousand hours playing on the controller in cs 2, they will shoot videos about him and be awesome how he plays like that
@redline84110 ай бұрын
Nintendo being the only place that doesn't use crutches is locked away from crossplay. God has a sick sense of humor
@ohLurch10 ай бұрын
I don't even play CS on controller nor do I have any interest in doing so, but bro is fire at it and I like watching.
@We-ay9 ай бұрын
I think it would be awesome to see more people using gyro aim on controllers cause it could help settle the aim assist issue on cross platform games imo.
@IcyXzavien10 ай бұрын
A spiritual successor to Solarlight's video.
@Velakor915010 ай бұрын
do your fingers get sore holding the controller like that? I don't think I could do that my hand would cramp BAD. actual controller GOAT though, one of the few
@bradpittman382110 ай бұрын
Have you tried those controllers that have a trackpad on them, I wonder which one could have a better prospect for serious pro play in the future.
@sonysdad470910 ай бұрын
I could very well see this becoming competitively viable since even for my own experience I had insane aim on r6 on console on controller back a handful of years ago before switching to pc even without gyro since I used an xbox controller but to make up for it I used the copilot system and used 2 controllers at the same time. unfortunately like you said people really aren't inclined to switch and not many controllers have good gyro support or up to par with mouse support and this video will I think definitely convert some people are have some people to try it out at least but until they have the same in game support for settings and actual hardware of better controllers I can't see this being too popular unfortunately. It is kinda the same with pen and tablets for fps games where they have a place in being competitively viable but the lack of hardware and usage over the playerbase is too small to actually make a push to catching up to mnk.
@chillinglace10 ай бұрын
you and solarlight are the main provers that controllers doesnt suck
@tekgeekster10 ай бұрын
😢
@Yomamura2910 ай бұрын
If you are into diy electronics, you can make a controller using raspberry pi pico, just like what I did to my guitar hero controller. You can add a lot of buttons and sensors with customizable polling rate up to 1khz. That is just optional and if you are a nerd like me. Good video and I hope you destroy more of lvl 10 faceit players!
@ismount10 ай бұрын
Is there no gyro controller with paddles? Because playing claw is in instant deal breaker for me.
@pyro_lc424810 ай бұрын
Dualsense edge which is 200$ :( or get normal Dualsense with back button mod (but it still take up dpad buttons slot)
@tekgeekster10 ай бұрын
What pyro said. I have a dse, but it's expensive for what it is. I like it, but there are more cost effective solutions. Some of them requiring extra work on your part. If you're looking for simple and cheap, get a dualshock 4 with a back button attachment. But it'll still only copy existing buttons on your controller. Dualsense Edge is one of the few controllers that has all its buttons completely customizable through steam.
@dm.314510 күн бұрын
Short answer: Steam input, therefore gyro and flick stick support
@ka1-iwnl10 ай бұрын
I saw this stuff a few months ago, and ever since I've been wanting to get a controller to try gyro. You gotta drop a tutorial on how you did your setup bro, I'm gonna copy it and be as good as you are like the silver I am)
@JunkerJames10 ай бұрын
(I think my reply was removed due to a link, but the GyroGaming subreddit has a ton of great resources to get you started)
@ka1-iwnl10 ай бұрын
@@JunkerJames ty, just now to get a controller (I'm flat broke)
@ka1-iwnl10 ай бұрын
Bought it today, my grind starts tomorrow :D
@ka1-iwnl10 ай бұрын
I started playing controller today and man, I'm already hooked. It's super difficult which makes it even more satisfying to be good in the future)
@JunkerJames10 ай бұрын
@@ka1-iwnlWhen you wake up, your brain will have soaked up the play session, and it's gonna start feeling like second nature. Hope you enjoy!
@SOLou0410 ай бұрын
Kinda got me inspired to try gyro on cod
@inputlabs10 ай бұрын
Nice analysis, but you missed the Alpakka controller, which has dual gyro sensors and is pushing the limits of what controllers can do in FPS
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
i just vaguely mentioned it as i tried not to dive too deep into anything, especially since i haven’t had my hands on one yet. it’s definitely on the top of my list for controllers to try.
@puffyips2 ай бұрын
He literally mentioned that
@111-p4l9 ай бұрын
Are you playing with the vibration function on? And is it too difficult to aim only with analog sticks?🎉🎉🎉
@CandarianGaming9 ай бұрын
Aiming only with sticks is pointless especially in counter strike. The recoil pattern for each weapon would be way too difficult to maintain.
@StrikerXnoob10 ай бұрын
i want to see you on a tournament bro!
@ForzaOwnz10 ай бұрын
I think you're underplaying how good gyro is and I believe people can absolutely get gyro to the big stage. Think about how long we have been uses Mouse for. Give the population 10 years (5 to get the population large enough to have a data set, 5 for 1 of those to make it big) and I reckon you'll see one at the elite level. The only problem is that you need to have gyro available for kids to play with from a young age. As it is very weird to switch too you need young kids to be able to use it easily from the get go, which is the good thing about games now starting to implement
@tea_with-mint7 ай бұрын
Do you have the alpakka??? I really want to see a professional alpakka user
@omegamerk10 ай бұрын
Should check out the Gulikit KK3 max's gyro, it feels pretty good and runs at 1000hz
@devonmangiarelli38867 ай бұрын
I rember way back in rhe day when csgo was first starting out rhey tried ir on xbox 360 and ps3 never tried it on ps3 but on xbox there was a decent size community there were some good ass controller players with great aim. Always thought if some of them moved strictly to pc on controller and see how theyd do.
@somykOS3 ай бұрын
Could you recommend some controllers to get started? I would really appreciate it
@iHardScope3 ай бұрын
@@somykOS probably a used dualsense. best gyro and stick deadzones aren’t that important since gyro does all the important aiming.
@falafel_falafelny10 ай бұрын
Bro you good player. sorry my eng very bad Hi from Russia
@r1valz67210 ай бұрын
I fully agree, gyro is amazing I'm a pro mobile player and most of the mobile community uses gyro because of how versatile it is in some scenarios
@jahwah1110 ай бұрын
i know these type of questions are super annoying but what is the map at 2:50
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
kz hub
@R0B0GAMEIR10 ай бұрын
Is getting stick drift the same thing as getting one of your keys pushed in
@Longgerlongsing10 ай бұрын
we use gyro in mobile games also, like pubg moblie. in some aspects gyro aiming is even better then mouse and keyboard.
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
as my friend husqiy said “people aren’t ready to hear that yet”
@Longgerlongsing10 ай бұрын
@@iHardScope Thanks for the reply, anyways the duel sense controller is out of my bugget.
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
@@Longgerlongsing you could always pick up a dualshock 4 even a preowned one since stick drift isn’t an issue.
@Longgerlongsing10 ай бұрын
@@iHardScope ok my good sir.
@technoodle0710 ай бұрын
After seeing the clip of apex @ 3:33 I have to ask: Does gyro work with apex right now? If you have rewasd running at all you get kicked from the game
@bralexanicofficial29 ай бұрын
Yo how about touchpad to aim. Any good? Ive tried it on minecraft before but it doesnt really work too well in that
@ArimaSenne110 ай бұрын
I tried to install the reWASD layout, because CS2 has no gyro support, vertically aiming with a ps4 controller gyro works fine - but the horizontal aiming is basically broken. How can I get horizontal AIM???????? with a gyro???
@iHardScope10 ай бұрын
might need to change your gyro orientation from roll to yaw in the settings
@AjkillJensen10 ай бұрын
What is your ingame sensivity with the steam layout?
@AjkillJensen10 ай бұрын
I just found 3.8 in you other video
@crupeaujoey59610 ай бұрын
I’ll give it a try
@steffenlrsen22 күн бұрын
You said that the alpakka could completely eliminate the problem with counter strafing. How do? I already own an alpakka and this is my main problem. I am a faveit lvl 10 mnk player trying gyro. But I just struggle too much with counter strafing with analogs. Do you have a solution for this?
@iHardScope22 күн бұрын
@@steffenlrsen well really i meant 3d printing and the future of controllers in general. the only ways i found to help stick counter strafing is a precision ring that keeps your stick more center.
@cheljit7 ай бұрын
hello what resolution used ?
@stonemandoesstuff8 ай бұрын
Last time i tried this, i tried it with a generic controller PCB, with 3 buttons and it did in fact (not) suck!
@slippedknot200110 ай бұрын
Scatter @ Mid: Smoke! THAT'S ME, MA I'M FAMOUS
@sanfrick512010 ай бұрын
hello, i wanna know how you counter strafe witth the controller
@forginator10 ай бұрын
also, when wilk you release your vid on setup
@AjkillJensen10 ай бұрын
Have you tried movement on the D-pad??
@Zack-cd5jp10 ай бұрын
Plz what is your sensventy and your dpi
@ExplodingImplosion10 ай бұрын
So glad someone finally also mentioning how painfully far ahead MNK tech is compared to controllers One day we will get u guys out of the trenches and into the 60g, 2000hz gyro controllers with no stick drift. Today is not that day tho :/
@zapmando10 ай бұрын
Been on gyeo and flick for 2 months, its the best never going back to right stick aiming. Played tiny tina on PS5, no gyro, felt like a cell phone game, very sticky reticle and zero skill necessary.
@THECARGUY-gl9lf10 ай бұрын
whats your cs settings of b-hopping bec i tried scroll wheel its not workingon steam pls help
@idkrossplay10 ай бұрын
I was getting coached in val and he said smth about controller and I argued that controller was just as accurate as mouse. He said why don't people use it then? I gave him a list of reasons like you need remapping software, it's a pc game, etc and he said yeah but I think you're missing the main reason. Honestly some people are annoying
@TheX47x6 ай бұрын
i would like to see you doing same things without gyroscope 😉
@红远章10 ай бұрын
When can csgo2 adapt to the native controller?
@DeathImperative10 ай бұрын
I been thinking to switch fro mnk to controller, is it worth it?
@redline84110 ай бұрын
If you're willing to put in the hours yeah. I don't play CS with controller, but I have 750-800 hours clocked on MW2 playing nothing but gyro. It's an absolute blast
@bell40410 ай бұрын
I can see controller being viable for competitive play. We just need higher quality gyro sensors.
@ccpgnotccp10 ай бұрын
this sounds fun
@fabio46746 ай бұрын
Man, please make an updated video showing how to setup everything :/
@PlatinumHunter8910 ай бұрын
I wanna see more videos from you
@AntivenomOW10 ай бұрын
Gyro would be so good in Overwatch on console
@redline84110 ай бұрын
Never, gyro is only for children games like Splatoon. Grown ups like me games like God of War or Red Dead 2 where the character is so cool and strong he aims for me.