WHY CONTROLLERS DON'T SUCK IN CS2

[@theyoloyoyo5802]

Ive been ranting (to myself) for the last like two years about how rotational ai.m assist is stupid for crossplay and how gyro/flickstick should be the new standard. Im glad to see that i wasnt full of shit and that it really should be the new controller input standard 👍

[@Chayse05]

Gyro I don’t even count as using a controller

[@xCl4udiu5x]

Gyro is still suck on big maps like battle royales, for a small maps its kinda good to have

[@theyoloyoyo5802]

@@xCl4udiu5x ive wondered about that before. Maybe fighting at range with gyro will be the skill gap. Time will tell if people are able to figure that out, time will tell.

[@xCl4udiu5x]

@@theyoloyoyo5802 if game have a cross input, game should have aa bcs mouse is much much more precision than sticks so I think the best option is a decressing range when you get closer to enemy

[@theyoloyoyo5802]

@@xCl4udiu5x thats what apex does, but aa in apex is one of the most complained about versions due to most fights in apex being decided by close range pushes, where aa absolutely dominates. This is why i look for alternatives to classical rotational aim assist, its just so incompatible with other non assisted inputs.

[@LordHecSquad]

Appreciate the feature in the video this is an excellent breakdown of how controller input can be a viable option for shooting titles.

[@gryz5921]

ayy happy to see you here buddy

[@FlickStickVids]

- Make multiple videos barely mentioning motion controls - accumulate millions of views and thousands of followers - post this video. - gyro aim is saved :D (Final fantasy fanfare starts playing in the background) Hahaha! Jokes aside, I'm really glad you made this video, hope people get it!

[@FHGryphonIRL]

As a kbm player I find gyro so sick that I’ve even messed around with it for fun. I used to play a lot of quake and thought it might be fun to see how well it worked. Surprisingly I did decent even with bare minimum practice. And like you said not running out of mouse space is huge for movement lol. Hope gyro goes big someday even though I’d never main it myself

[@tekgeekster]

I too, dabble in some quack. (⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)

[@Franwow]

This dude is my dad

[@GoCinq5]

Mio padre?

[@neotrnty4717]

this is miracle

[@rawfear1]

he came back with the milk?\

[@hellatrashmeme1609]

the goat. i would love to see a dedicated community of cs players using only controllers

[@saltynutzftw]

honestly they should just drop cs2 on console

[@SuperTopmaster]

There's dozens of us, DOZENS :D

[@idkrossplay]

There's a community like that but for Valorant, there's 50+ people that all play the game on controller

[@redline841]

They'd start calling iHardScope a hacker because everyone is using 360 pads while he uses a dual shock with motion

[@idkrossplay]

@@redline841 no we already have a community and we all use gyro. There are thousands of us and in terms of how many play cs, hundreds

[@SuperTopmaster]

Very nice explanation. I'm in the camp that believes that the lack of innovation in the base controller design plus the lack of hardware options for gyro-supported controllers are the major factors that's holding back the gyro input method. It sucks, but at least you're getting the word out there! Thanks for that.

[@blocksberg3758]

Im mouse and keyboard all my life, and that wont change, always kinda looked down on Controller ( weird enough lets not talk about the elitism thing happening) but you actually convinced me of your point, sick gameplay, nicely formatted video, very epic sir

[@zerocore_]

6:35 Preach brother! Once I got used to gyro aim I could never go back to playing with aim assist. it feels unresponsive and sluggish in comparison

[@ncrtrooperscout]

I'm thinking about transitioning to gyro for all but Counter-Strike (somewhat) because I want my counter-strafing to be precise in CS. While sticks are much more ergonomic since you don't have to hold another button to walk like in M&K, sticks are not tactile and fast to counter-strafe. The Fighting Game Community is going through their own controller fiasco with the "Hitbox Controller" (AKA leverless) and how you can change walk directions fast as well as do command inputs fast on Hitbox because it's a keyboard layout but with arcade buttons for movement. If a pro were to use gyro it would not be with a controller. I think it would be with a VR controller on one hand and a keyboard on the other (which I might do if I go full gyro on Counter-Strike.) Hopefully gyro phases out aim assist because of how stupid it is. Great video and discussion.

[@BruuhFPS-cd1rk]

0:56 how is this map in CS?

[@iHardScope]

you have be prestige 10

[@gogurtkid8712]

@@iHardScope loll

[@Lovvkeyy]

because i said so

[@koukiesncamping]

workshop maps bruh

[@JibbSmartGD]

Great breakdown. Thanks for making this! And your shooting always amazes me

[@iHardScope]

nope, thank you jibb

[@forginator]

hell yeah you've convinced me to give this a try, will start my journey asap

[@BagelGloryHole]

Amazing video man. I have been shitting on aim assist for a while and whenever I get in debate with someone about it being not possible to play against pc players with controllers that aim assist is needed for them. I use you as a reference of its possible to play good especially with gyro that they just need to practice and ditch aim assist cause its a toxic feature in fps games needs to be ditched imo. Keep kicking k&m users with that controller man

[@CandarianGaming]

So right about mouse technology being far ahead of controllers. In saying that though, we're doing what we can with the controller tech we have and we'll only get better with future tech.

[@robroy1967]

Pretty well put together video dude, good job.

[@IAmAGyroGamer]

We need a standard controller layout if we want Gyro aim to succeed. And a game that should be the gateway to gyro aim and flick stick. Valve had made the Steam Input menu for controllers. Gyro aim and Flick Stick are only available for the Steam Deck, Steam Controller, PlayStation and Nintendo Switch controllers. Xbox doesn't have any and Microsoft is behind on that technology. If you want to settle the argument of KB&M vs controller, get Gyro aim as an option to open up. Generate some buzz about it. Gyro aim is all skill from the gamepad player, like kb&m players. Close the gap between KB&M and controllers to point where it's a matter of preference. Heck, there was a time when CS:GO had native gyro aim and flick stick settings in the options. It was fun playing the game on the Steam Deck, and the Steam Input allowed me to modify controller bindings to whatever action I want to use on a specific button. Another point that should've been mentioned in the video is that Aim Assist are often used on controllers because of the lack of precision and accuracy the joysticks have to offer. The gyroscopes bypass the issue and use the whole controller like a mouse in the air, and you can hold a button to pause it when using the Steam Input, or on Fortnite's Touch and Motion options. A mouse uses motion directly from using your hand and arm, translating the camera movement in a one to one manner. Joysticks can move the camera sure, but it's a vague command that keeps telling the camera whatever direction the joystick is being pushed. When it's calibrated correctly, the gyroscopes read motion input by rotation, and it translates the camera in a one to one manner, just like with a mouse. Flick Stick is a new input method where the camera rotates horizontally based where you flick the stick to. When calibrated correctly, you can flick 90 degress by flicking to the right, or do 360 turns by spinning the whole stick. The only drawback is that it only rotates horizontally, but since it should always be used alongside with gyro aim, the drawback is mitigated since the gyro can help you aim up and down as well. Flick Stick is the new controller way for wide mouse movements to change directions.

[@iHardScope]

i agree, more standardized and simplified settings would make it way easier to pick up.

[@redline841]

Sadly most gamers these days don't give a fuck about actual skill and just abuse AA as a skill

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

Your statement at 5:20 about people without m&kb experience is another reason why I think there should be a PS5 port with crossplay. It could have gyro by default, and easily accessible flick stick settings. We could improve accessibility, allow friends to play together, and hopefully make gyro more mainstream.

[@yeetmaster8389]

Love the dedication and passion towards controllers and gyro, I've also been trying to push the boundaries of what the controller can do with a vid in my channel of me hitting 98k on gridshot aimlabs with controller. Big ups to you man!!!

[@Smith003]

great video bro you are extremely underappreciated in the scene, never stop doing what you love

[@Feztek626]

This is what Splatoon has done right for years, gyro controls with no support for kbm made it the standard. Everybody, and I mean everyone plays with it. Just wait till the community moves to games that aren't on the switch.

[@jadedaim]

personally i think pro level with drawingpads could be possible, if i remember correctly people have reached radiant with it in valorant which is wild

[@tekgeekster]

It's very good for having a stable aim. Only thing I can see it having trouble with until proven otherwise is flexibility.

[@rhskgames]

I just bought a Vader 3 Pro , got a gyro , dude , you don't know how you made me really happy to try for different games

[@ExplodingImplosion]

So glad someone finally also mentioning how painfully far ahead MNK tech is compared to controllers One day we will get u guys out of the trenches and into the 60g, 2000hz gyro controllers with no stick drift. Today is not that day tho :/

[@ewfim5944]

You’re crazy bro keep doing what you are doing

[@Rabidhotdog]

bro ur ak glove combo is insane, so nice. u rly need a m9 tho. maybe stiletto vanilla

[@iHardScope]

been thinking about a stiletto vanilla

[@DAG_M]

Hello Mr. Hard Scope. Do you bind voice chat on your controller as well? Regarding Gyro aiming, it is an emergent technology in modern fpses. It's been on a market for a while but in PC gaming it is stil a new thing. I hope to see the gap closing between mouse nad controller in the nearest future. Great vids :)

[@iHardScope]

i use the circle button for push to talk.

[@tekgeekster]

​@@iHardScopeThen what does the mute button do?

[@iHardScope]

@@tekgeekster mutes my mic in obs from when i was streaming

[@Nikiboo32]

played on console my whole life moved to pc in 2018 and i switched to using keyboard and mouse while i do think using keyboard and mouse should be the default it is cool to see someone doing good with a controller individual skill at work the human spirit triumphing over the machine

[@ArimaSenne1]

I tried to install the reWASD layout, because CS2 has no gyro support, vertically aiming with a ps4 controller gyro works fine - but the horizontal aiming is basically broken. How can I get horizontal AIM???????? with a gyro???

[@iHardScope]

might need to change your gyro orientation from roll to yaw in the settings

[@phantxmblxze]

In my videos I play no aim assist max sense with the joystick and honestly its not as bad as people make it. Im able to snap to any target no matter what, and im about to track targets perfectly. I think gyro is definitely revolutionary, and it needs to be advertised more, but i think no aim assist on controller with just a stick isnt bad at all. Not many people understand how to do it and there is definitely a learning curve but i doubt the learning curve for sticks is anywhere near the learning curve for gyro. The biggest issue I've seen is that people wanna be good fast and they dont want to put in the necessary work to be good or professional and i blame aim asisst and people who think they need it. I've played against mnk players in 1v1s or in the middle of random gameswithout it and I've come out on top multiple times and the main thing ive seen that tends to determine the outcome of the 1v1 is SKILL and understanding of the game. This has also been shown with the 1v1 between jynxzi and shroud. Aim assist isnt needed, Skill is needed but a lot of players are lazier about it.

[@tekgeekster]

Another thing to think about. Every game treats stick aim almost completely different from one another. It's frustrating. Cod, Halo, Battlefield, and overwatch stick aim all feel almost completely different from one another, and consumers are at the mercy of devs making it that way on console. With steam input, you can map it to mouse and mess with an exponential curve, and it generally feels a million times better than half the crap console games tend to use.

[@phantxmblxze]

@tekgeekster I've noticed that. It's very annoying. Playing Cod then switching to apex feels so terrible cause on apex I have hella stick drift but on cod it's so smooth. It bothers me most of the time

[@ForzaOwnz]

I think you're underplaying how good gyro is and I believe people can absolutely get gyro to the big stage. Think about how long we have been uses Mouse for. Give the population 10 years (5 to get the population large enough to have a data set, 5 for 1 of those to make it big) and I reckon you'll see one at the elite level. The only problem is that you need to have gyro available for kids to play with from a young age. As it is very weird to switch too you need young kids to be able to use it easily from the get go, which is the good thing about games now starting to implement

[@ismount]

Is there no gyro controller with paddles? Because playing claw is in instant deal breaker for me.

[@pyro_lc4248]

Dualsense edge which is 200$ :( or get normal Dualsense with back button mod (but it still take up dpad buttons slot)

[@tekgeekster]

What pyro said. I have a dse, but it's expensive for what it is. I like it, but there are more cost effective solutions. Some of them requiring extra work on your part. If you're looking for simple and cheap, get a dualshock 4 with a back button attachment. But it'll still only copy existing buttons on your controller. Dualsense Edge is one of the few controllers that has all its buttons completely customizable through steam.

[@r3dd3_2]

love the content, i dont even play cs, but ive been trying to get used to controller, as aim assist is a lil too much in ranked play in cod. ive always been a kbm player, but gyro is smth i gotta look into. thanks again!

[@johnmaynardelec5095]

If you are into diy electronics, you can make a controller using raspberry pi pico, just like what I did to my guitar hero controller. You can add a lot of buttons and sensors with customizable polling rate up to 1khz. That is just optional and if you are a nerd like me. Good video and I hope you destroy more of lvl 10 faceit players!

[@jahwah11]

i know these type of questions are super annoying but what is the map at 2:50

[@iHardScope]

kz hub

[@devonmangiarelli3886]

I rember way back in rhe day when csgo was first starting out rhey tried ir on xbox 360 and ps3 never tried it on ps3 but on xbox there was a decent size community there were some good ass controller players with great aim. Always thought if some of them moved strictly to pc on controller and see how theyd do.

[@Velakor9150]

do your fingers get sore holding the controller like that? I don't think I could do that my hand would cramp BAD. actual controller GOAT though, one of the few

[@bralexanicofficial2]

Yo how about touchpad to aim. Any good? Ive tried it on minecraft before but it doesnt really work too well in that

[@redline841]

Nintendo being the only place that doesn't use crutches is locked away from crossplay. God has a sick sense of humor

[@ronaldmorgan-et1ik]

you going places bro u need to upload more

[@kostapoumpouridis2530]

Splatoon was a great example of embracing the gyro aiming. That’s the reason why I like to play offline shooters with gyro.

[@we-ay7311]

I think it would be awesome to see more people using gyro aim on controllers cause it could help settle the aim assist issue on cross platform games imo.

[@dvnte2621]

In conclusion I skipped to the gameplay part bcs all this talking changes nothing. Love you bro, watching you play on a controller is mega satisfying

[@EMERALDkoda95]

dude i might have to get myself a gyro controller and give this a try, ik its gunna be a huge learning curve but i wanna give this a shot

[@AntivenomOW]

Gyro would be so good in Overwatch on console

[@redline841]

Never, gyro is only for children games like Splatoon. Grown ups like me games like God of War or Red Dead 2 where the character is so cool and strong he aims for me.

[@bradpittman3821]

Have you tried those controllers that have a trackpad on them, I wonder which one could have a better prospect for serious pro play in the future.

[@ohLurch]

I don't even play CS on controller nor do I have any interest in doing so, but bro is fire at it and I like watching.

[@O_79]

the gap is the hardware, also whats up with ur voice u good bro?

[@iHardScope]

allergies go stupid

[@pikayioo]

ive been searching an actual cs controller player youtuber i can relate to

[@LucasAnderson-k1c]

mad respect controller is a massive disadvantage but you manage to pull it off W

[@TheACTIONZ]

Not a massive disadvantage did you even watch the vid?

[@SOLou04]

Kinda got me inspired to try gyro on cod

[@r1valz672]

I fully agree, gyro is amazing I'm a pro mobile player and most of the mobile community uses gyro because of how versatile it is in some scenarios

[@amazing384]

YOU ARE A LEGEND

[@zapmando]

Been on gyeo and flick for 2 months, its the best never going back to right stick aiming. Played tiny tina on PS5, no gyro, felt like a cell phone game, very sticky reticle and zero skill necessary.

[@IcyXzavien]

A spiritual successor to Solarlight's video.

[@pjshurm]

our ursus knives look hella similar, caught me off guard for a sec.

[@sonysdad4709]

I could very well see this becoming competitively viable since even for my own experience I had insane aim on r6 on console on controller back a handful of years ago before switching to pc even without gyro since I used an xbox controller but to make up for it I used the copilot system and used 2 controllers at the same time. unfortunately like you said people really aren't inclined to switch and not many controllers have good gyro support or up to par with mouse support and this video will I think definitely convert some people are have some people to try it out at least but until they have the same in game support for settings and actual hardware of better controllers I can't see this being too popular unfortunately. It is kinda the same with pen and tablets for fps games where they have a place in being competitively viable but the lack of hardware and usage over the playerbase is too small to actually make a push to catching up to mnk.

[@omegamerk]

Should check out the Gulikit KK3 max's gyro, it feels pretty good and runs at 1000hz

[@THECARGUY-gl9lf]

whats your cs settings of b-hopping bec i tried scroll wheel its not workingon steam pls help

[@이혁수-b8j]

Are you playing with the vibration function on? And is it too difficult to aim only with analog sticks?🎉🎉🎉

[@CandarianGaming]

Aiming only with sticks is pointless especially in counter strike. The recoil pattern for each weapon would be way too difficult to maintain.

[@AjkillJensen]

Hi. You are the perfekt proof "motion controlls" is not a gimmick! Mad respect! Do you currently only use steam input? I would really like to play CS on my controller. If you still use reWASD, which of the 4 layouts do you use?

[@AjkillJensen]

The comments in the other video tells me it is only steam input

[@redline841]

Motion aim is a gimmick, just like how headshots are a gimmick :^)

[@stonemandoesstuff]

Last time i tried this, i tried it with a generic controller PCB, with 3 buttons and it did in fact (not) suck!

[@falafelfalafelnii4851]

Bro you good player. sorry my eng very bad Hi from Russia

[@gdoomz8109]

Hope to see someone using on Major someday that would be hype

[@slippedknot2001]

Scatter @ Mid: Smoke! THAT'S ME, MA I'M FAMOUS

[@Shiddyvet]

Dudes killin it!

[@tea_with-mint]

Do you have the alpakka??? I really want to see a professional alpakka user

[@technoodle3181]

After seeing the clip of apex @ 3:33 I have to ask: Does gyro work with apex right now? If you have rewasd running at all you get kicked from the game

[@suzuki_mr3200]

well, it's cool that once there will be 1 player with 10 thousand hours playing on the controller in cs 2, they will shoot videos about him and be awesome how he plays like that

[@sanfrick5120]

hello, i wanna know how you counter strafe witth the controller

[@Longgerlongsing]

we use gyro in mobile games also, like pubg moblie. in some aspects gyro aiming is even better then mouse and keyboard.

[@iHardScope]

as my friend husqiy said “people aren’t ready to hear that yet”

[@Longgerlongsing]

@@iHardScope Thanks for the reply, anyways the duel sense controller is out of my bugget.

[@iHardScope]

@@Longgerlongsing you could always pick up a dualshock 4 even a preowned one since stick drift isn’t an issue.

[@Longgerlongsing]

@@iHardScope ok my good sir.

[@cheljit]

hello what resolution used ?

[@chillinglace]

you and solarlight are the main provers that controllers doesnt suck

[@tekgeekster]

😢

[@R0B0GAMEIR]

Is getting stick drift the same thing as getting one of your keys pushed in

[@TheSixteen60]

With gyro controls that PS4 and PS5 controllers have, I always feel like maybe we could see CS2 on PS5. Well, that's not gonna happen but it would still work okay, so long as there isn't aim assist or crossplay. Just stick to the old roots.

[@fabio4674]

Man, please make an updated video showing how to setup everything :/

[@MrMoonYoutube]

i can do this on dualshock 4?

[@红远章]

When can csgo2 adapt to the native controller?

[@VRT_CTRL]

da goat

[@TheX47x]

i would like to see you doing same things without gyroscope 😉

[@piingoo]

anyone who talks shit about gyro should be shown this as mandatory viewing

[@AjkillJensen]

Have you tried movement on the D-pad??

[@Quern__]

can i get your video settings

[@bell404]

I can see controller being viable for competitive play. We just need higher quality gyro sensors.

[@inputlabs]

Nice analysis, but you missed the Alpakka controller, which has dual gyro sensors and is pushing the limits of what controllers can do in FPS

[@iHardScope]

i just vaguely mentioned it as i tried not to dive too deep into anything, especially since i haven’t had my hands on one yet. it’s definitely on the top of my list for controllers to try.

[@forginator]

also, when wilk you release your vid on setup

[@Zack-cd5jp]

Plz what is your sensventy and your dpi

[@youngphil8766]

Sick vid bro

[@PlatinumHunter89]

I wanna see more videos from you

[@urpapi6969]

I just know gyro is more natural, I used to play mobile shooters competitive. I mean mouses were used cause that wht computers came with. Gyro is for sure the future

[@StrikerXnoob]

i want to see you on a tournament bro!

[@crupeaujoey596]

I’ll give it a try

[@nnoxx_PK]

Tried controller for cs2 from pro splatoon but my muscle memory is holding me back way too much, still plenty fun for on the go but im sticking with keyboard for faster awping and more consistent movement. its a shame i cant make the switch easily because my gryo aiming is way better than mouse aiming

[@dominicstocker5144]

Hm maybe using the dpad or 4 back buttons for movement could help?

[@nameless6228]

Do you even 1v1 viewers I wanna see how I hold up against you

[@arthurbakibinga5921]

I wish many games enabled gyro.

[@AjkillJensen]

What is your ingame sensivity with the steam layout?

[@AjkillJensen]

I just found 3.8 in you other video

[@idkrossplay]

I was getting coached in val and he said smth about controller and I argued that controller was just as accurate as mouse. He said why don't people use it then? I gave him a list of reasons like you need remapping software, it's a pc game, etc and he said yeah but I think you're missing the main reason. Honestly some people are annoying

[@QuestionMarkedits]

How do u counter strafe if i can ask i am very curious

[@SuperTopmaster]

He mentions that at 2:21

[@apchistuz]

Solarlight

[@myazr]

i would like to try gyro but i dont think my tremor is gonna help 👍

[@iHardScope]

give precision zone settings in steam input a try or even speed deadzone. i don’t have the steadiest hands myself.