HERO or MURDERER? Daniel Penny FOUGHT and KILLED Jordan Neely: Rising DEBATES

[@studlyasianmatt2440]

This is on the city of New York for letting this serial criminal on the street

[@richardtravick5794]

@@studlyasianmatt2440 then the City of NY can visit Danny Boy in prison and help him with Conjugal visits. FOH

[@OppK-om7wz]

Nah the city can guve the homeless the food and shelter they need! Penny is innocent ​@richardtravick5794

[@KINduz3jp]

It's on Socialist progressives who messed up NYC. Thanks AOC and former mayor De Blasio!

[@stos45]

The marine would have never been in that situation if that criminal was in jail where he belonged in the first place.

[@jeanwesleynew]

It's ridiculous when non-military claim to know the level of training military personnel receive. Marines are trained to shoot, not be ninjas.

[@MBLUESFAN]

Spot on

[@BillyJoeJimBob-us2mc]

I don't know about that - if you follow MMA, Sean Strickland challenged any Navy SEAL and one did show up...Sean literally was holding back and punished the guy for 25 minutes.

[@christopher7824]

Why does Nomiki keep qualifying everything she says with "as a New Yorker?" What difference does that make? According to Wikipedia, she's not a native of NYC.

[@josiepkat]

Nomiki does NOT represent all or most New Yorkers! I've lived in NYC for 35 years and this guy was killed at the stop near my house and committed crimes in my neighborhood. Our city has failed people with drug addiction and mental illness by leaving them to roam the streets and New Yorkers to fend for themselves - then the city blames a guy for protecting the people on the train. Migrant gang crime and people who are unhinged in closed subway cars - terrorizing New Yorkers. That's what we are living with. People don't realize how scary ti is to be trapped in a car with someone having a mental breakdown and threatening others. He'd also, on other occasions, punched an elderly person in the face, and tried to kidnap a little girl.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Other occasions don't count in this case, except to show how bad the justice system is and how bad mental health care is. But those are not one trial.

[@KINduz3jp]

Stop voting for progressive Socialists like AOC who talk a lot but do little else!

[@Carpenter1]

Sad day when criminals are victims and hero’s are criminals

[@stevenread5473]

Sometimes there's just two criminals or two hero's or 1 criminal and 1 hero. We will watch the trial and see how many come to testify that Neely attacked them.

[@proofofmyexistence]

If this man is found guilty then it will further legitimize and perpetuate bystander apathy… This world needs more people like him, not less.

[@76shian]

He killed a Michael Jackson impersonator and the killer is a Marine

[@bluebird3281]

@@76shian and your point?

[@Red_Vines]

@@76shianthis issue is political unfortunately

[@HypnoticHollywood]

A person can be held and subdued without being choked. How is he justified for choking an unarmed man to death?

[@richardtravick5794]

The point is which one is not like the other and way more deadly? FOH. Danny boy should've used discipline and restraint. He obviously didn't learn shyte in the Core.

[@cassandrao.1222]

I love how calm Amber is when presenting her arguments while Nomiki gets more frantic and her eyes look crazier the more she speaks 😅

[@YungBeezer]

As a former green belt in MCMAP it is really annoying hearing Nomiki say "he's trained" Marine Corps Martial Arts is 90% exercise, 10% training.

[@chrislahey4276]

As a former Marine to say we were "trained" in choke holds is freaking absurd!!! We might have had a day where we trained with pugil sticks, ie bayonet training, hand to hand basic strike techniques so we didn't break our hand if we were in that situation and some sweep and stomp basics as well as the use of weapons of opportunity. Training may have changed since I was in but usually if a Marine is in a situation where hand to hand is necessary something has gone terribly wrong. Now if he would have shot the guy from a 250yd IKD range sure that Marine is highly qualified in that situation but hand to hand is VERY basic in standard USMC training!!

[@YungBeezer]

@@chrislahey4276 you learn choke holds in MCMAP.

[@deadgolfer6345]

@@chrislahey4276 I think it just goes to show she lives in a fantasy world and doesn't understand. The 'shoot them in the leg' thing they talked about in the video is a good one where the public's perception does not align with reality. Also, if you've ever wrestled . . . anyone, you realize that going at half speed normally just isn't an option. You have to really try or you are going to get in trouble quick. The break point between winning and losing is not always apparent and probably one you don't want to be near. That is to say that an attitude of "he should have done just enough to accomplish control while keeping the situation totally harmless" is easier said than done. Doing what's necessary to establish control comes with risk.

[@thereality700]

Agreed - with no advanced training beyond basic, he would not qualify as trained. On the other hand, going to a dojo for years qualifies for advanced tests and training.

[@jburdorf]

@@YungBeezer not in any sort of time that would consider yourself "trained" It's about on par with saying you are an expert in resuscitation because you took a CPR class.

[@frankiek2691]

To my fellow men: If you see someone being attacked or harrassed in public, and youre not compelled to act, dont be ashamed. When they ask you why you didnt help, remind them its because American society imprisons good samaritans.

[@jburdorf]

As a black belt in jujitsu, I can tell you that being a marine or in the military has nothing to do with knowing how to apply a choke. Stop this argument.

[@GM-db4bv]

Nomiki: "crime is down" Amber & Robby: "no FBI revised the stats" Nomiki: "😶"

[@jujushaller]

😂

[@HughRGlen]

The best part is that she'll start to refute the accuracy of the stats now that they don't align with her talking point. Lying with stats 101: when they disagree with you, highlight imperfections. When they agree with you, cling to the numbers. 😂

[@TC-zf1ji]

She is immune to facts.

[@J450NXIX]

😂😂😂

[@MauricXe]

A little dishonest there as she didn't back down

[@vassar007]

The show is basically two grown-ups Robbie and Amber explain the world to their very dumb freshman in college niece, Nomiki

[@tylermarkham3411]

She really is like a smug, belligerent child.

[@bakionigeri6414]

​@@tylermarkham3411classic feminist "I'm Right, and if I'm wrong, how dare you prove me wrong😡"

[@l.w.paradis2108]

What did Neely do exactly? Was it illegal? "Erratic" is just the subway. Making people fear for their lives or property is generally illegal. Priors are irrelevant in this situation. Someone with no priors could threaten a person. *It's wrong the first time.* A person with many priors might just have been goofing off and not scaring anyone this time. Thank goodness Penny will have defense witnesses. The court will decide.

[@timothyrussell1179]

He is innocent, and the fact that there is any discussion, debate, or trial surrounding that is absolutely disgusting.

[@xavierb9061]

Guilty. Disgusting. If you choke your job to realize when guy not moving

[@HypnoticHollywood]

A person can be held and subdued without being choked. Why do you think he was justified for choking an unarmed man to death?

[@xavierb9061]

@@HypnoticHollywood judging by comments seems here is racis, other videos comments completely different.

[@DouglasKindred]

Amen!

[@deadgolfer6345]

@@HypnoticHollywood If you are a violent criminal who is currently threatening innocents, you might get subdued by a good guy. If you physically subdue someone, there are inherent risks and things could go wrong accidentally. He should have behaved himself and he'd be fine.

[@davidwright3534]

"It's not his job!" Her indulged, impetuous reasoning is simply amazing. I wonder if she would be singing the same time if she were one of the people who were threatened.

[@adamhunter1064]

Someone tell Nomiki that you do not have to be a Marine to know what a chokehold is. 🙄

[@Eye8apie]

Amber is always a welcome breath of fresh air to Nomikas hysterical ramblings.

[@djiknfdsr78u54]

Amber is truly the best.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Pfft. Both are *zero* in matters of law. The real lawyer got fired for opposing the war on Palestine.

[@nin29nin]

This is what you get when you defund the police

[@MikeJones1995-z6q]

What department had a defund??

[@TroyJScott]

Nobody defunded the police! That’s bootlicker nonsense

[@richardtravick5794]

Daniel lost his job as a Cop? Didnt think so. That has nothing to do with anything. Do better.

[@digger1825]

​@@MikeJones1995-z6qwhat department had a defund? That sounds ridiculous as you are, the department was the police department that got defunded they cut their budget look it up it's public knowledge. Not that you know anything about knowledge probably didn't finish the third grade to busy eating crayons😅😅😅

[@miltonelliott8506]

Great

[@ruth4short]

The saddest part of the story is how much we have normalized seeing people in mental health crisis on the subway and we’ve gotten used to it and have turned a blind eye.

[@amandabusch704]

How should mentally ill people get around?

[@Timewave-Zer0]

Good! Hopefully Penny sues NYC.

[@90swerethebest10]

How do we know he didn’t vote for the “progressives” fantasyland, dangerous to everyone else, policies.

[@BradfordHills]

The NYC judicial system is Woker Poker. Who has the higher face card wins. Penny holds a lower face card. This is what happens when you decriminalize, and deinstitutionalize.

[@BradfordHills]

Criminalizing the masculine instinct to defend and protect.

[@Dan-y6l3k]

If it was a black passenger who restrained a violent Caucasian, we would never know their names.

[@elisereynolds945]

never ever! If the race was reversed there would be no moral panic

[@len3169]

Exactly, yet so many people are brainwashed.

[@shawnfinlay4952]

Daniel Penny did NOT put Jordan Neely in a choke hold. Penny had Neely in a headlock. A headlock is used just to restrain an individual, not to choke them into unconsciousness.

[@janegerard5604]

He should not even be on trial. He stepped in to help people, to save them from a man with a history of terribly bad behavior. Neely should have been in jail.

[@richardtravick5794]

Who needed help except for the man he Murdered?

[@ttttggggg636]

THE FACT THAT THIS IS GOING TO TRIAL IS DISGUSTING

[@alansteel]

"As a New Yorker..." Did New York elect her as their spokeswoman at some point?

[@MrTlong2010]

She doesn't speak for me! 🤣

[@josiepkat]

I've lived in NYC for 35 years and this guy was killed at the stop near my house and committed crimes in my neighborhood. Our city has failed people with drug addiction and mental illness leaving them to roam the streets and New Yorkers to fend for themselves - then the city blames a guy for protecting the people on the train.

[@jmlubecky]

Notice Nomiki’s dislike and judgement of Veterans and Marines.

[@stevebrown1461]

"Safest city in America." Oh, my, that wokish sister defending the man threatening others on the subway. Such a shame.

[@apocalypsemule5773]

He made the subway safer that day.

[@adams2841]

Whenever Amber and Nomiki are on together, it's a battle between reason (Amber) and uninformed emotion (Nomiki).

[@ttttggggg636]

IF IT'S NOT CLEAR CUT THEN THAT MEANS HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CHARGED

[@Horsed_Beef]

Because he’s innocent, that’s why.

[@tonyg76]

No he is not. It is pretty clear that he killed someone who was not posing a threat to him at the moment.

[@utah_koidragon7117]

He's not "innocent." He maintained a technique that he knew to be lethal if maintained long enough way past the point there was any threat that required that level of force.

[@tonyg76]

@@utah_koidragon7117 Sounds like that is the case yes.

[@kamman1374]

​@@utah_koidragon7117dude could've been faking it. Threat subdued is when they person is arrested and hauled away by the police or dead. Dude's innocent.

[@utah_koidragon7117]

@@kamman1374 That's not how the law or the use of force or self defense works. You don't just hold onto a choke hold for six minutes because the guy might be "fake dying." The guy was much smaller than Penny, and was being held down by THREE grown men. The threat was over. No justifiable reason at that point to keep strangling him. None of this is reasonably arguable. It might as well be a text book case in how to commit a crime by misusing lethal force when not necessary.

[@bropitt]

Nomiki would like to have it both ways, if she was threatened, she'd be the first to sue Penny if he didn't help her

[@Matt-mt2vi]

Amber is so much better than Robbie on most issues.

[@cw6410]

Highly trained ??? He is a marine not a Gracie. Marines in general are by no means hand to hand combat experts. They know some things but they aren’t ninjas.

[@jallen1227]

Daniel should have never been charged

[@andresparry8104]

The Nomiki’s of the world are the real life inspiration for the Law & Order episode in which an assaulted woman excuses said assault because of systemic racism….

[@thereality700]

Self defense 100 %

[@elisereynolds945]

Democrats need to take some responsibility in this for demoralizing the police. For normalizing homelessness and making it not criminal to threaten people

[@90swerethebest10]

They just move when things get to bad. Like locusts moving from 1 field to another.

[@patrickd8770]

Daniel Penny deserves a statue not a trial.

[@christianwestling2019]

Amber was spot on!

[@frankroman9782]

You should have been in a hospital not on the Subway of the train or in public oh excuse me I forgot mental hospitals were closed by the past presidents Like Obama and Bush I believe

[@charlie-qh2ll]

He is innocent.

[@4514LU]

What about the other 2 guys and all the passengers that were cheering?

[@caitlincrabtree2408]

Why is Lisa Loab still on here???

[@MichelleTheGinger]

Correction: Why he SHOULD be found innocent!

[@JackChurch-ti8td]

Penny is innocent.

[@niallm7503]

Once again, Amber to the rescue from the histrionic emotional trainwreck that is the other woman.

[@B.I.H510]

Free that man

[@matthewsteele-qr2us]

Penny is a hero!! Why is that crazy lady with the glasses still on the show, all her arguments get destroyed et her reaction is to double down on crazy

[@charleshoward2685]

Innocent heros sjould never be prosecuted. It is all on camera. Showcthe entire incedent. The jury should find him innocent at that point . A full trial would be unnecessary.

[@last1out]

Your headline should say, "why mr.penny is innocent and these charges are bogus and mr.penny should be compensated for damages." Self defense is not a crime.

[@DarkLordJmac]

Why arent they charging anyone else?

[@arviejustiniano2359]

the race of the people who were involved. they held him down

[@nin29nin]

Because he was the only white guy

[@utah_koidragon7117]

Who?

[@utah_koidragon7117]

@@arviejustiniano2359 I don't think that has anything to do with it. Penny is the one who applied the choke that resulted in the death. He also presumably had more knowledge of the consequences of that hold than they did. It would be a stretch to charge them as accomplices, imo.

[@arviejustiniano2359]

@@utah_koidragon7117 the others should be considered as helpers

[@len3169]

I can’t believe I even made it halfway through this ridiculous video…..

[@SuitAndTieNoPants]

As an actual native New Yorker, I get a little annoyed with people preaching about what New Yorkers think as if it is not the most diverse city in the country. I especially don't like it when it is obvious to me that the person claiming to represent New Yorkers is not even from there. Just checked her Wiki to confirm: Nomiki was born in AZ, raised in upstate NY, but then ran for office in AZ again in 2012. So yeah, she really bleeds NYC concrete...except if she had won that AZ office she'd probably campaigning for reelection in a cowboy hat right now. What a joke. What a phony.

[@khatdubell]

When you've already received your talking points but the facts were stealth updated afterwards.

[@nedflanders5649]

She said "singing and dancing" lol

[@Aleksander1812]

Skewed reporting here. God bless, Amber.

[@jessicamena8545]

Please stop saying “as a New Yorker”. You’re from Arizona.

[@CharlesTrotter-k9f]

NY needs to stop playing with hero's freedom to protect other people, the women not standing up for him should be put in the position as the other people were faced with

[@GeorgeEugeneBarrett]

Free this man now.

[@jeremyriggs7681]

I'll put money on it, nomiki abuses her Adderall prescription.

[@DanielRoot-s9i]

Lucky he was trained and not afraid to act! Like these nutjobs

[@nancyvargas6611]

As a native New Yorker and former MTA employee I lived through the experience of working and traveling with unstable people on those trains. To the point where I was even assaulted. I fault the justice system for these unhinged people roaming freely. In my case, even after myself and another woman testified in court and having multiple priors in 4 boroughs, the man was let off with a couple of months in a mental institution. Just to later be let free again to commit more harm to innocent people. My family and I did not feel safe living in NYC anymore. Moved to PA in January and couldn’t be any happier with the decision.

[@claudiashimer6477]

That for Marines shouldn't even be on trial. He not only saved one life he probably saved many

[@donnaroberts693]

Everyone knows why.

[@shade38211]

Is there anyone she will not defend. I mean if she sees as victim.

[@tonyg76]

She is right here.

[@tonyg76]

Is there anyone Amber will not defend, if she sees them as a Republican!

[@Timewave-Zer0]

@@tonyg76any sources on this? Smolleting has been unreal this year!

[@tonyg76]

@@Timewave-Zer0 No sources. But defends Trump constantly on every video, defends Republicans in general.

[@Timewave-Zer0]

@@tonyg76 are you going to cancel her for it? 🤣

[@nevadastrong702]

Well because he’s innocent.

[@len3169]

Why???? Ummm because he’s innocent…

[@neildeaton1183]

Literally spit out a mouth full of water all over myself when she said NYC is the safest American city lol. Ha did not see that coming

[@DevastatingDemise]

I would much prefer Jessica Burbank over Nomicki. She at least was polite.

[@wesleyhudson2028]

Because he is innocent

[@littlemel1408]

“As a New Yorker..” Everybody drink!!

[@gwine7084]

He’s assaulted 3 women in the past? Seems like Penny has better intuition than some of the passengers.

[@MikeJones1995-z6q]

It's crazy that you don't get the death penalty in New York for Raping children, killing, assaulting people, but yelling on Subway gets you the death penalty 😂😂 This is crazy

[@johndonahue3509]

Charge the DA office..WHY WAS HE OUT IN PUBLIC.AND NOT JAIL

[@studlyasianmatt2440]

Watch the difference between the lib woman and the conservative woman. Emotional defensive and hysterical on one end. Calm logical on the other. Hmmm

[@rob6850]

Exactly! 💯

[@MichaelKurse]

Because he shouldn't have been charged?

[@91phia]

I am a New Yorker, and I disagree with Nomiki - she does not speak for all New Yorkers. Please get rid of her!!!

[@utah_koidragon7117]

Even when Nomiki is right on the main point of an issue, she finds a way to be incredibly annoying and then actually wrong on the narrative. Unbelievable.

[@charitoholbrook7865]

Innocent

[@rosepal211]

I love how Amber is always calm. That's often the most effective way to upset and aggravate the opposing side.

[@utah_koidragon7117]

One of those rare occasions when Amber and Nomiki are both wrong and Robby is right.

[@benguensche]

amber is 100% correct and Robby is ignoring the "intent" aspect of the situation

[@utah_koidragon7117]

@@benguensche Intent doesn't really matter to the charge of negligent homicide in this case.

[@len3169]

Robby is dead wrong!!

[@benguensche]

@@utah_koidragon7117 I think that intent may be important when evaluating whether a person was negligent. For example, when someone is attempting to restrain a dangerous individual until the authorities arrive

[@jasonwebster8027]

These people.... Should he have waited for someone to get killed or injured by the criminal before acting???

[@MrTlong2010]

Seriously! So many people are describing Neely as "yelling". It has nothing to do with "yelling". It has to do with making death threats that people perceive as true. Death threats are serious and using force in response to them is perfectly valid.

[@len3169]

Yup!!! That is their logic…..

[@Bradp7829]

Amber the voice of reason and common sense

[@johndearborn5360]

The biggest down fall of this country was when the rights of the criminal started to out weigh the rights of the victims

[@Christie-nu9wv]

He is innocent....

[@ariver7491]

Just because he was a Marine doesn't mean we have to call him hero. You a Marine? f that and your service

[@TheAdequateMedia]

4:20 Who is she? make her go away, please. it's not like Bro was keeping him in a full-force hold. he was restraining the dude who was delirious and violent

[@DanielRoot-s9i]

Self defense and saving others is no longer a heroic thing to do!

[@MrSnakobe]

Watching a person talk themselves full circle at its best.

[@insightfulgarbage]

His mustache alone should warrant prison time

[@jamesthomas3551]

I love how Amber methodically picks apart Nonomeki 😂

[@l.w.paradis2108]

What did Neely do exactly? Was it illegal? "Erratic" is just the subway. Making people fear for their lives or property is generally illegal.

[@MonkeyBall2453]

That revised FBI violent crime data discussion at the end was brutal. Facts really don't care about our feelings. 🙁

[@jshricks]

Hero. Anyone asking this question in a serious manner is clearly crazy.

[@williamfarley6280]

He has assaulted woman already . And he was threatening everyone on the car …. What are you supposed to do , watch woman get assaulted and after they are beaten to the ground then so excuse me please stop that .

[@yournumberonepal]

He shouldn't even get tried. People were complaining about a woman being s word assaulted while people sat and filmed it, well, look at what happens if you do try to do anything.

[@WisdomTooth1987]

how does a news orginization not know the difference between found innocent and not guilty? Basic civics class teaches everyone is innocent till proven guilty.

[@norman_5623]

They're not "innocent till proven guilty." They're *presumed* innocent till proven guilty, for some purposes.

[@kursedmilk]

That dude in the middle is so slimy and intellectually dishonest it honestly makes me want to take a shower everytime he speaks