Why Darth Plagueis Knew About Force Ghosts but REFUSED Learning the Ability for Himself! (Legends)

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The Non-Canon Expert looks at how Darth Plagueis's research into immortality through midi-chlorian manipulation resulted in his study and understanding of how to retain one's consciousness after death, explaining how even though Darth Plagueis understood the potential to achieve a version of immortality through the ability of becoming what was understood as a Force Ghost, the Dark Lord of the Sith rejected that option.
This is a Legends story for Darth Plagueis and the ability to retain one's consciousness as a Force Ghost, with information found within the Legends sources "Star Wars: Darth Plagueis," the Book of Sith reference book, The Jedi Path reference book, and the Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith novelization. I hope that you enjoy it!
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[@LuisPereira-bn8jq]

Seems to me Plagueis wouldn't like the fact that becoming a Force Ghost required dying, which he was planing not to... :p

[@jenniferbrewer5370]

Plagueis and Voldemort were a lot alike. Neither one of them had the courage to face death.

[@kleomenis456]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! THIS MADE ME LAUGH! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[@endoetz]

seems like he forgot about "better safe than sorry"

[@ClnlBogey]

Death was a construct of the jedi.

[@RainbowBuster]

Tjo Wen left 4 dead!?!

[@vicshephard9231]

So a Sith had a deeper understanding of the old knowledge than all the Jedi of his time. No wonder he was confident in the Sith's chances of winning.

[@William-Morey-Baker]

Seems like a LOT of jedi figured it out pretty easily...

[@W_2.0]

But to obtain it was the challenge

[@joshuajeffers1481]

Something... something... Something Darkside... Something.... Something.... Something.. complete

[@W_2.0]

I mean yeh it's somewhere on wiki if you want the details

[@joshuajeffers1481]

@@W_2.0 is it possible to learn this power ??

[@Hassliche]

Lol he’d be harassing Sidious every second of the day lol

[@mercury2157]

I imagine every second would be like "hey, why'd you have to tag me in my sleep, pussy? why didn't you fight me pussy? pussy. pussy." until sidious figures out how to tune it out

[@joshuajeffers1481]

Plagueis trolling sidious and obi wan trolling Vader 😂😂😂

[@W_2.0]

How many times has plagueis mind strangled sidious

[@joshuajeffers1481]

Lol if he was a force ghost he'd burn palp up with force lightning 😂😂😂

[@W_2.0]

Also if plagueis *believed hard enough* in wich i mean being a little bit insane then he can do as yoda do but in this case murder the crap out of sidious

[@akumaking1]

As Palpatine would put it: Ironic.

[@crow_g1639]

Not really as he dint want to use it

[@kirkdavis2881]

Once he took an apprentice who could surpass him, his immortality was a pipe dream. Should have succeeded first and then picked a apprentice. He was finally starting to arrest aging at the time of his death.

[@ominouspigeonmaster1571]

True, but didn't it take both master and apprentice together, to manipulate midichloreans into altering the nature of the force towards the dark side? If memory serves me right, Plagueis attempting to change the force's nature by himself lead to the chosen one being created.

[@kirkdavis2881]

@@ominouspigeonmaster1571 I meant succeed with immortality before the Grand Plan. Then he would have all the time in the world to succeed. Palpatine would always kill him before he mastered that ability.

[@ominouspigeonmaster1571]

​@@kirkdavis2881 Ya, I mean I totally agree, he shouldn't have tried to balance the two to the degree that he did. Guy might have actually been the most scientifically intelligent Sith of all time. Palpatine kinda undercut the Siths time as the dominant force, when he killed his master. Interesting that Plagueis considered Dooku as his apprentice at one stage. May have been better for the Sith in the longrun.

[@averageinternettroll]

Because it requires rejecting the sith teachings as passionately as we reject the disney sequels?

[@darthtroller]

LMAO 😂😂😂

[@jameskosusnik1102]

Always reject and rebel.

[@Mecha82]

@Red Roy No he doesn't has wisdom. Only irrational hate.

[@0predaking0]

You!!! Mister just nailed it

[@GoogleRuinsAnythingItTouches]

@@Mecha82 Fanboy, you are. Trash, you enjoy.

[@ApolloJ14]

Hmmm so Plagueis didn't want to become a force ghost as it would've meant becoming "a lingering disembodied presence trapped between worlds, powerless to affect the material realm" 🤔 Well Disney's sequel trilogy has changed that 🤨 So perhaps he should've gone down the force ghosts route 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[@W_2.0]

Nah yodes is just crazy enough to break physics where they stand

[@phantasosxgames8488]

nah , it still takes effort to interact. Been powerless for a ling time , with just small burst of power is ot what Plagueis want , he is too greedy for that.

[@koshi6505]

My head canon for this is that Force Ghosts can interact with the world, but hesitate to do so around force users. They themselves are made up of the Force and so can be directly manipulated. Only around trustworthy force sensitives will they manifest.

[@W_2.0]

I mean sure?... I guess?....

[@letsomethingshine]

Plagueis was more of a dualist/spiritualist than the Jedi. A jedi didn't dream of "ego-soul" afterlives, so a force ghost was a better good than non-existence could be.

[@LordSStorm]

In my mind the concept that a Sith could not become a proper force ghost is opinion, not fact. There's a reason the Priestesses tested Yoda, because it was possible that a Sith could learn the secrets, and they sought to prevent that.

[@imperialistopinions2276]

This stuff right here is why I love the Book of Sith. Plagueis' section is easily the best part of it; I'd read an entire book just about Plagueis' philosophies and scientific understanding of the Force, no storyline needed. Darth Plagueis, rightly called "the Wise", is one of the most fascinating characters in all of Legends. I really need some more content about him, hopefully as close to James Luceno's vision as possible

[@ricknick5318]

Has to be a Jedi out there that was so crushed by order 66 that Vader just left and let live because the prison the Jedi created for himself was a far worse fait for the Jedi.

[@Exis247]

Darth Sidious did somthing similar with Yoda. He didnt actively go after yoda because he assumed (correctly) that Yoda would create a mental prison for himself preventing him from ever truly being a threat to Sidious. He was a little bit off because Yoda ended up "training" luke but he was pretty close.

[@EndCallCaesar]

Can we ask the real question though, how come he has a nose and then no-nose in various artworks pre-him needing a mask?

[@macwelch8599]

I want to see Emerald Lighting in live action someday

[@jenniferbrewer5370]

Such a lovely color, emerald.

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

I'd rather see the black lightning seen in that one comic seen in the old EU.

[@blank003]

This is really what the sequels lacked. They should have had one full power luke fight. Atleast have him crush an army and die.

[@seank.2589]

Like Mother Talzan's?

[@shamellwebb6995]

Lightning fam

[@DarrelsWonderland]

Ironic, this is! Thanks for the video SWRC!

[@justice_productions_]

Anyone else Watch every video there is on Plaguies and read the Book, and badly just want an on screen appearance of him? Hope I’m not the only Plaguies super fan here

[@DerektheMenace]

Justice Productions Absolutely! I honestly think that a “young Palpatine” D+ series would be best and there are only a few things in the book that need to be changed to keep it in canon.

[@jonathanrodriguez2831]

No...no more on screen appearances of anyone after Obi-wan. Dont ruin star wars anymore.

[@DerektheMenace]

Jonathan Rodriguez, I’m confused by your comment. In my opinion, it’s the introduction of the new characters “killing off” the legacy characters in Disney SW that “ruined” it.

[@Alarcj7]

I still like Sidious better, but I have to give Plaguies some credit here.

[@Alarcj7]

@@jonathanrodriguez2831 Nothing more after 2014, that's what I say.

[@andrebrown1835]

Qui Gon gave us balance between the light and the dark plaguies feard this, just my own thoughts great video.

[@IndianaJoe0321]

Punctuation and capitalization are your frienda.

[@mrlazzo3354]

I guess that shows how materialistic the Sith and Dark side are

[@letsomethingshine]

Plagueis was more of a dualist/spiritualist than the Jedi. A Jedi didn't dream of "ego-soul" afterlives did they? So a force ghost was a better good to them than non-existence through death could be. Plagueis said that force ghosts were just a "lingering disembodied presence trapped between worlds, powerless to affect the material realm." But the key phrase there is not "powerless to affect material" but "lingering" and "trapped" and "between worlds." No point to set up a force ghost at the expense of an "freely moving" sort of "ego-soul." After all, to an evil sith lord there was "another world" to go to after death which would have been prevented by the self-sacrifice of becoming a "lingering/trapped" quasi-hologram projection into the future.

[@whichDude]

Sith Apprentice: "Master! I learned how to force ghost! Now I can help even if I die-" Sith Master: "What?! Are you just training for failure?! You've already accepted defeat?! Get out!"

[@ricknick5318]

The ending of rise of Skywalker made me think that when a sith kills its master it's like the Highlander

[@jacobberry5138]

There can be only one!

[@jenniferbrewer5370]

This is the Quickening!

[@rbrucerye]

@@jacobberry5138 Cue Prince of the Universe by Queen

[@cosuinofdeath]

rbrucerye hell yea I’m a go watch that

[@kevin8639]

The emperor rule of one

[@demetriusmcclendon969]

This was one of your BEST videos to date. Keep up the awesome work

[@MyWeedIsVeryGood]

*Long story short, why would you want to be a spooky ghost, when you can be an even spookier living Sith Lord.*

[@0predaking0]

Lord Plagueis wishes to achieve immorality in his own body but never of his essence after all he believe himself to be the perfect sith

[@Gor85]

This is pretty limited. Plageous was excellent scientist. Extremelly smart powerful and educated. But this was pretty limitred. He had so much options as Force ghost. And yes,he was selfish. And I can imagine what he would do to Sidiious after he killed him😁 And a like for options😊

[@DD-vq9il]

Last time I was this early, Anakin had the high ground.

[@akumaking1]

When?

[@demacolapoo777]

When?

[@Alarcj7]

Last time, I was so early that Anakin was still 6'1'.

[@maryuma7]

Very interesting. Thanks for covering this topic.

[@smashingpots9928]

Do we know what happened to all the ancient jedi who gained immortality? Where did they go and why didnt they ever show up?

[@evilovesperry]

They probably got bored and just hung out in canteens. Immortality eventually becomes eternal boredom. Hell they might have went on a quest to die

[@Warhammered]

If Darth Plagueis was so smart, he would have had this and many others as a back up plan, not just merely dismiss it. He wouldn't have put all of his porgs in one basket, especially as a selfish person willing to go to any length for immortality, even if it wasn't the one he would have wanted. I believe that novel explanation is just a cop-out to keep him out of any further stories set in the future. To me, I reckon he didn't truly dead at Palpatine's hands, which would be all the more sweeter. Somewhere, somewhen there's a Sith force spirit, laughing at Disney's Palpatine. it is after all, the WHILL of the force. :P

[@LuisPereira-bn8jq]

Nah, the explanation does make sense. The problem Plagueis has is precisely that this form of immortality *isn't* selfish, since all you can use it for is to help others.

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

@@LuisPereira-bn8jq he could still irritate Palpatine and even actively fight against him by supporting his opponents. He might even be able to figure out how to use Essence Transfer later on, and obtain a new body!

[@christianyaerger1751]

This takes on new importance with the reveal that Palpatine cloned himself in Rise of Skywalker.

[@christophershen6692]

Kenobi's force ghost had physical contact with the real world when he told luke about everything. It basically means force ghosts are invincible while being able to manipulate the physical world. Guess Plagueis should've tried the force ghost way.

[@Raphsophomes]

How many ways can you say the same thing, watch to find out.

[@DenDhur]

You sure you're not talking about the StupendousWave?

[@Raphsophomes]

@@DenDhur watch the video and tell me I'm wrong, also never subbed to stupendous wave.

[@DenDhur]

@@Raphsophomes you're not, it's just that stupendous wave takes the prize for over repeating the same line over and over again.

[@jamessuraciart]

@@DenDhur Fuck stupendouswave and his clickbait.

[@nicklasberg5146]

mightb e wrong but as i see it, from whats been told from both force ghosts and sith. is that when jedi do it they become like a guidence, they become part of the force in a good way and thats why they are not even afraid to die, cus the way they see it its only alittle change. for a sith its a whole other senario, theyre afraid of dying cus for them its more like a hollowcost (havent spelled that in ages) the ghost thing. when they die they become ghosts too, but they are more like the type of ghost that wud hauntt you. or get haunted by other sith for theyre power (refering to SWTOR where u as a sith assasin are traveling the galaxy far and wide to optain ghost or theyre power of other sith.

[@mairo4057]

Even so, he could have at least attempted learning the ability as a Failsafe, should he fail to save his body, he could still have a whole eternity to find ways to bring it back. In my opinion this was a mistake on his part.

[@johnfidelsrevolution]

*So that would explain why he didnt make himself an immortal cyborg.*

[@valetudo1569]

It would be cool if they played it like... there was a natural way to be a force ghost and obtain a form of immortality... and Plagueus believed there was a way to unnaturally do it, but retain your physically body, through the dark side....and pursue that plotline

[@kevin8639]

Imagine if force ghosts are spiritual recordings and not actually consciousness. Like if i could see the future i would leave messages long after death. But premonition is dark side so after death premonitions is light

[@randyortonsbulge]

I’m trying to learn how to become a force ghost because after taking a heroic dose of mushrooms I believe in the force. Kinda it’s super hard to explain and it’d take a while.

[@flameflamedramonva]

Meanwhile Tenebroys just exists as Maxi-Chlorines

[@kaidorade1317]

Thanks NCE! Videos like yours help my stance as to why Plagueis is my favorite Sith next to Bane! His power and knowledge is incredible. There is always something Plagueis teaches me each time I read the novel. But it makes me curious: in an alternate reality: how would he be as a Jedi? Would he have helped convince the council Yoda wasn’t crazy when he said he heard the voice of Qui gon? Would the Muun have been called by Jin to learning immortality? Could Jedi Master Plaguies have the wisdom to save the Order from itself?

[@bryanbaas9629]

Have you ever heard the legend of Darth Rhett Khan the contrived? No. I thought not. Is not a story Lucas would tell you.

[@johnmivule-novabow8143]

Answer: *He needed to obtain the HIGH GROUND OF THINKING*

[@johnmivule-novabow8143]

@Sinister ones Alucard true facts

[@lordofpain3476]

Being a force ghost has one very big draw back , you have to die to achieve it . Lord Plageus wanted to LIVE forever. These are two completely different things . Darth Plagueis knew jedi history better than the jedi themselves.

[@justhwsky]

“I don’t want to be a ghost I WANT TO BE IMMORTAL”

[@Tubeman244]

And now in the Disney Remake Trilogy practically any Force user can become a Force Ghost 😒 Han appearing after death was confirmed to have been Kylo hallucinating having a conversation with him.

[@christiancrusader9374]

Sequel, not remake.

[@Tubeman244]

@@christiancrusader9374 Swap main characters, superweapons, planets, & factions around with each other & all the Sequel Trilogy becomes is just a "you can copy my homework but don't make it obvious that you did" remake of the Original Trilogy.

[@stormbringer2840]

@@Tubeman244 Amen brother .

[@Tipples801]

i love the.... "if not for me" at the end of the episodes.. lmao i literally can't wait for them. i love the humor! ...options

[@themonk2288]

He had compassion, so it is possible...

[@slender7781]

Damm this dude need to find more then 5 pictures

[@mirakluaragnos2863]

I mean it has happend that Sith Force Ghosts exist, in SWtoR, in Jedi Academy, in Star Wars the Clone Wars Series. It might have diffrent way to achieve it, but Dark Side users have managed to somehow become Manifastation of Force, without a body, but still with their will intact

[@jagnestormskull3178]

1. It's a Light-Side power. 2. Being a ghost has some harsh prerequisites that he didn't want.

[@Paerigos]

There is always Darth Marr... person who loved The Sith Empire as tool of excelling on the battlefields of life. So much that he died in order to preserve the empire as best way of life for people of the galaxy... the only sith who truly died selflesly.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

In order to achieve "immortality" in the Star Wars universe, one must walk the pure path of a Jedi, avoid the dark side, and cast aside all personal cravings and desires to become a Force ghost. However, is that really eternal life or just eternal existence? In Dies Irae, Wilhelm has a line vs. Ludwig that to actually want such an unworldly existence, to think that giving up worldly desires is a fair exchange, shows that the person in question has never really lived at all.

[@tenebrous-merciless.3962]

Strictly Lightside huh? Darth Sidious, Darth Nihilus, Ajunta Pal, Marka Ragnos, Freedon Nadd, Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Darth Bane, Sith Emperor/Vitiate, Lord Momin, Darth Tenebrous, Karness Muur, and the list goes on. The Sith had many rituals to achieve this. Maybe not like the Lightside, but they made it happen. :D

[@jamessuraciart]

Either Plagueis has read Carl Jung, or he listens to Tool...."Pneuma", "Anima" (well, in Tool's case it's spelled "Ænima" since it's a combination of the words anima and enema, but you know what I mean), yep. That has to be the case. Tool, a modern, real world band, is so fucking epic that Sith Lords in a galaxy far far away are familiar with their work.

[@KaiserAfini]

Its still a useful skill, no harm in learning it and there is a Sith version, as demonstrated by Exar Kun's ritual. After all, sorcerers like Freedon Nadd suggested a ghost can be resurrected via powerful rituals.

[@derpherp4530]

"all things are possible through the force, except for some things "

[@pettytos6387]

I wonder if we will ever see his movie even animated or a game, he is such a cool character.

[@cambuxton6835]

Maybe he just thought it useless. Or maybe he just did not feel it offered him enough power to do anything and erroneously ignored it.

[@chatch621]

Hey Jar-Jar and KK, this is called a *"Source"*

[@superblasto8547]

Please explain how Anakin became a force ghost without teaching? You answer is inconsistent with that fact

[@smashingpots9928]

So how does this work with Brakiss, the dark jedi who came up with a school to counter Luke's jedi academt, becoming a ghost and talking to Zekk?

[@sirhandelno3]

Whether or not you knew it, you name dropped two Tool songs: Ænima, and Pneuma

[@yoggz]

He didn't need a force ghost to return, he just returned.. Somehow..

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Plagueis does his research.

[@dragooner003]

So then how does Freedon Nadd become a force ghost? No hurry. Its just a question.

[@kkamiya9038]

Who said that the Sith can't do Force ghost? Naga Sadow, Freedon Nadd and Exar Kun are Sith and they know how to retain their consciousness after death.

[@TheAkioBlack]

4:40 enema LMAO

[@matthewbrookes4277]

why doesn't this have subtitles so I'm deaf and love Star Wars but I had no idea what was going on :(

[@Willemsrobinio-j7x]

Plagueis is my favorite sith lord because he's a geinuis

[@CiabanItReal]

I left a like for *options*

[@Paerigos]

There is one... his name was Darth Marr. A Sith Lord who accepted death... and sacrificed himself to preserve The Sith Empire... In his words "We must find and kill our beloved Emperor before he does more damage to the galaxy..."

[@puredemon6349]

10:10 Oh, if only Plagueis knew that in Disney's Canon Force Ghosts can interact with the physical world just like in Lego Star Wars. They can summon Lightning, use Telekinesis, and hold Lightsabers.

[@youtubeviewer4472]

What about Exar Kun messing with the Jedi Academy on Yavin 4?

[@ianj4389]

It's actually very simple. Plaegus did not want to be a Force ghost. He wanted to be actually physically immortal.

[@amaxwell7333]

Those that become Force ghosts seem to turn their entire body into energy. Is it possible in the star was universe to hypothetically reverse it? It just seems like it should be possible to me.

[@MackeyDeez]

I wish there was more stories about the rule of two era. I mean the only two Sith having to eliminate other dark side force users or Jedi who have fallen to the darkside.

[@aamirrazak3467]

It's honestly surprising to me that one as knowledgeable and obsessed with immortality as plageuis refused to learn an ability to achieve the one thing he wanted most

[@W_2.0]

Sidious gave plagueis the ultimate sleep paralysis

[@ryansanico6539]

If not for me:"I wanted to see chiss in a Star wars movie ,or tv show. Thank you for the video SWRC 🙏🏻

[@sawekpyc6837]

He came back and taken over Jar Jar Binks body

[@KH-iz1bj]

How did he feed him wine he was a powerful sith lord

[@justadude3001]

The reason he didn't learn to become a force ghost is because force ghost is a concept of the jedi he simply doesn't believe in it.

[@ryancampbell8203]

The Jedi are selfless and that quality is most powerful in its own right. I am Jedi 💯💯💯👍

[@theastutehustler6712]

Well plagueis should have figured force ghosting out. Yoda found a way to interact physically with the real world in episode 8..

[@HanilHeartless]

Hey, how about yodas hability to produce lighitning in the last jedi?

[@Chareidos]

So what are the three categories of the forces called again? Where to read about that? Can not find anything about it!

[@patron8597]

So was Fredonn Nadd a force ghost or something else entirely?

[@JoseBarahonaes]

I wish you wouldn't repeat the sams thing over and over to make the video longer.

[@neophytealpha]

What if Sidius was actually Plageus inhabiting Sidius

[@djsharky3822]

It's not a light side ability it's a neutral ability and it is confirmed in the clone wars series with the priests of the whills explaining the requirements of it.

[@christiancrusader9374]

Well, George did intend for it to be a strictly lightside ability, which is why it worked as proof Anakin had redeemed himself. He was against the the idea of sith force ghosts.

[@enki6676]

@@christiancrusader9374 But George worked on Clone Wars aswell, and it has always been canon. He was also directly responsible for the Mortis Arc from what I understand, which stipulated a more balanced approach to the Force, compared to his strict Light Side good/ Dark Side evil stance towards the Force he held before. He once said that the Light Side WAS the Force, and that the Dark Side was merely a corrupted and perverted form of the Force, but his Mortis Arc in Clone Wars he made later where the Father asks Anakin to maintain balance between the Light and Dark contradicts this.

[@christiancrusader9374]

@@enki6676 not really. There are no sith force ghosts.

[@macwade2755]

This is Canon for me!

[@Facade953]

What about the ghosts of Marca Ragnos and Exar Kunn?

[@prezzyvcurrymuncher]

Have you heard the trade by of darth plugies the wise?

[@cobeoe]

This is what I was talking about I didn't think barris offie need her story in the clone wars series lots of stuff that couldn't be put in the movies were put in graphic novels & novelization She died on Kashyyyk What's her master So why put the story Of her betrayal in the clone wars

[@FastEddie829]

For the dark side wouldn't it be becoming a Sith Wraith

[@oreoninja3035]

Well Disney crapped all over what a ghost can and can not do.

[@poetscotty]

Darth Marr the only Sith that became force ghost come at me

[@enki6676]

Marka Ragnos became a Force ghost aswell.

[@poetscotty]

@@enki6676 Ragnos wasn't a force ghost he was more of a phantom

[@blackshogun272]

Darth Marr actually pulled the impossible for his people because he died in a selfless act for his Sith Empire in which he truly believed was the only way of life and truly right. I'd love to see more Sith Lords that weren't selfish die for their Sith Empires and become semi-capable ghosts trying to understand how he was able to ascend and exist like he could. And it'd be the icing on the cake fir him to meet Jedi ghosts and come to acceptance that everything most of his people were fighting for was in the end futile...

[@poetscotty]

@@blackshogun272 I pretty sure he did if their a hell called Chaos for sith than their should be heaven called order for force ghost

[@goergerussell4017]

I hate how stupid the clone wars jedis look because they only train people to practice 1/100 of the force and didn't even know about the practice of force ghosts

[@krazie835]

So you can't become young again as a force ghost? It seems to be that you stay at the age that you died.

[@lordnul1708]

Didn't George Lucas himself also end up saying at one point that Sith were incapable of learning the ability due to it requiring inner peace (and thus going against the Sith philosophy)?

[@R3N3GAD3RY]

He should have studied Emperor Vitiate

[@voidfoxx5921]

I always feel its bullshit that its just a lightside ability, I mean come on! Take a Sith thats LITERALLY too angry to die?!?! Would that not create a darkside force ghost?

[@joshuakb2]

Like Darth Sion?

[@voidfoxx5921]

@@joshuakb2 exactly!

[@reme7903]

"darth Plagueis is kil" "no"