Why Jedi who Mastered this Lightsaber Combat Form were Undefeated Against Sith! (Legends)

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The Non-Canon Expert looks at the unique attributes behind a lightsaber combat form that was expressed as allowing every member in the history of the Jedi Order who achieved true mastery of its techniques to never be defeated in lightsaber combat, explaining it's benefits against Sith opponents and important examples of its use from within the lore.
This is a Legends story discussing lightsaber combat with information found in a number of Legends sources, but primarily within "Star Wars: Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force," The Jedi Path reference book, the Book of Sith reference book, "Star Wars: Darth Bane: Rule of Two," "Star Wars: Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil," and the Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith novelization. I hope that you enjoy it!
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[@darylsdesigns6679]

“That is so like you, Master Kenobi. I am called a great swordsman because I created a lethal style. But which is greater? The creator of the killing form or the master of the classic form?”

[@starwarsreadingclub]

This is one of my favourite moments from the novelization!

[@darylsdesigns6679]

Star Wars Reading Club and the Mustafar stands as an excellent example of true Soresu masters are unbeatable. Obi-Wan’s use of Form III, coupled with the high ground and Anakin’s blind rage and hubris, allowed the Jedi Master to win

[@manwithabasicprofilepic]

You ask which is greater? The one left standing.

[@LunasReach]

Daryl Franklin, Jr. killing form

[@localandonlinepreciousmeta3575]

Krystal Giove said perfectly. Only a fool would argue that. Again, perfectly said.

[@pokewars8289]

The high ground is the ultimate lightsaber form

[@DeathScepter]

Soresu does encourage Level head nature to use the High Ground and the entire Enviroment.

[@RollingxBigshot]

Pokè Wars tell that to darth maul!

[@pokewars8289]

That's true

[@RollingxBigshot]

Jason Rasmussen I never understood why he just looked at him jumping in the air

[@villekuronen6242]

@@RollingxBigshot he was way too arrogant to think that padawan would beat him

[@zaberfang]

Darth Bane was a true master of this technique. His defense is so perfect that he once trained under a heavy rainstorm without getting wet by the rain using this technique.

[@KaiserAfini]

Sort of, he lacked adaptability. Bane was amazingly skilled, but he had an over reliance on sequences. When those failed, he was horrible at improvisation, defaulting to using his massive Force power like a big hammer. He never addressed this weakness either, even when it almost killed him against Blademaster Kaasim, so it effectively killed him against Zannah.

[@zaberfang]

@@KaiserAfini He realized those limits, thus he went on a journey to improve his skills and knowledge as well as find a way to live longer, of course there's the remaining side effect of the earlier orbalisk infestation to boot. Also, it appears that he managed to transfer his essence to Zannah.

[@QoQabai658]

True. And Darth Zannah his apprentice (screw you Disney) was his direct equal in the form.

[@zaberfang]

@@QoQabai658 Of course she would, if not better, as the rule of two needs them to be.

[@williamh2607]

That's just ridiculous. I am not doubting that it happened in a star wars book. I think the concept is ridiculous. Doesnt matter how fast he was, rain doesnt fall one at time. His lightsaber couldn't be everywhere at once.

[@vitorkennedy1862]

"A… defensive technique. But effective. Use it if you do not wish to be hit, or if you are facing many opponents with blasters. With a lightsaber blade and enough skill in deflection, it is an excellent offense against blasters, but in other situations, it merely delays the inevitable." -KREIA

[@vitorkennedy1862]

@@Fulcron13 not currently.

[@thealmanac_4935]

@@Fulcron13 he's a shill who has fake give aways echarts ladder is better

[@donnellebarfield3964]

Crazy how kreia word is taken so serious in star wars

[@HighValueMan24]

I loved this game lol

[@123HunterHead]

Lmao

[@TheTruthIsGonnaHurt]

Whatever.. He is just holding L1 button and blocking the whole time.

[@ivancerecer5758]

This is why you always carry a quick weapon that deals poison build up or other side effects

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

TheTruthIsGonnaHurt Facts 😂💪🏾

[@jomesias]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 what about combos?!

[@jordanglasper1064]

Lol

[@takezokimura2571]

@@ivancerecer5758 Only blocking is for beginners. Veterans will just grab and throw you or use unblockable attacks.

[@CiabanItReal]

I left a like for *Sith Soresu Masters*

[@asaphkenaniahjoanino1497]

Darth zannah

[@Orto-jj2di]

Darth Zannah X Obi-Wan Kenobi. Couple of soresu masters.

[@generalhorse493]

@@asaphkenaniahjoanino1497 All she has is a shield and patience

[@Schniedragon88]

@@asaphkenaniahjoanino1497 And her master, Darth Bane as well if I recall correctly

[@asaphkenaniahjoanino1497]

Schniedragon88 yes and she killed bane with a soresu

[@nolsee1176]

I’ve always been fascinated by the different forms of lightsaber combat. I love the complexity, and gaining an understanding of why certain duels played out the way they did.

[@shaunakmitra963]

Yea something the sequels will prob never give u

[@Venkt-g3c]

It’s got almost nothing to do with the lightsaber forms.

[@LAVATORR]

When I was a teenager I was really fascinated by traditional martial arts, because the UFC was only six or seven years old at the time, so it was still socially permissible to claim obvious bullshit like "Dragon kung fu has twisting, evasive footwork, but Eagle Claw has better wrist locks and nerve strikes!!" It only took a couple beatings for me to switch on over to MMA, but even now I miss the mystery and romance of believing this stuff existed in real life.

[@davidhendershot2380]

@@LAVATORR No comment on traditional forms, but anger is empowering without enhancing skill. It can make you strong and aggressive, but tends to screw up fine motor skills. So it beats a less skilled or experienced opponent, but a calmer and more experienced opponent may leave the anger- user having let anger hurl himself too far up the shore of overcommitment, leaving them up shit Creek. Glad other martial artists are enjoying this too.

[@TriasHierarchia]

This kind of stuff has real life parallels in fighting games. Anakin lost to Obi because he got salty and fed up with Obi Wan's stalling, tried an absolutely stupid "mixup" to get through and Obi Wan got a hard read and ended the set right there. Anakin even started screaming in rage at the end.

[@Awesomeisme7000]

Lol, dont know how true that is

[@1014p]

So basically Obi Wan actually gutter drove Anakin into darkness by enraging him.

[@starwarzfan49]

@THE VOID you sound like anakin

[@CmdrChrisArcher]

So Soresu is literally the form of the High Ground.

[@songoku3848]

If that's not a Naruto move I don't know what is

[@punishedvenomsnake716]

*DARTH SIDIOUS HAS JOINED THE CHAT*

[@freakingemu]

Jason Rasmussen but he mostly used form 6 though

[@undead4500]

Darth Tyranus has entered the chat. easily defeats Soresu Masters with unmatched skill with Makashi.

[@butterflymage5623]

@@undead4500 true but he never fully went dark side so he always kept a level head during his duels. He was so dangerous because of his use of both sides of the force.

[@darthrevanthedestroyer9003]

*The Senate has joined the chat.*

[@spadehaze1541]

@Darth Revan has joined the chat

[@jamesh2514]

I used to always wonder how the hell Obi-Wan kept up with Grevious.

[@averageinternettroll]

I Am SPEED

[@howdoyouevenknow6526]

Same bro

[@josephmother2659]

The high ground knows no weakness.

[@danielhaire6677]

In the novelization of Episode III, It was described that when Obi-Wan fully invested his Soresu into the Force, the Force guided him to where his defense needed to be. And when an opening presented itself, it was the Force reacting before Obi-Wan could consciously perceive the opening. As to the technique for defeating Grievous, we saw an element of Soresu's offensive tactics where it shifts from defense to offense by transitioning the block into a sliding strike towards the hand holding the attacking weapon, hence two of Grievous' four hands being sliced apart/off.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Obi-Wan should've easily been able to beat Grievous using the force.

[@MolecularZebra]

2:07 Master Luminara lookin like handsome Squidward

[@MrMultiPat]

I feel like I could learn about the 7 lightsaber forms forever without getting board.

[@MrMultiPat]

@Obi-Wan Kenobi I have dishonored myself.

[@RepublicConstitution]

Please learn to spell.

[@urbangamer8321]

Patrick P-Roy Ferreira it’s ok young padawan acknowledging your mistakes is the first step towards mastery lol

[@joelxd7775]

Same

[@HighLiner15]

I concur Doctor

[@DaleESkywalker]

Masters of Soresu teach their padawans the best technique they know.

[@RomLoneWolf23]

So Form 3 is basically Rope-a-Dope.

[@taokenhanma2083]

Exactly as a Star Wars fan and a martial artist I'm glad someone else notice the same things

[@dominicviner6619]

@@taokenhanma2083 I'm a boxer, I agree lol

[@keegsl261]

I feel like it’d be more like the philly shell

[@macwelch8599]

My Jedi fighting style would be a combination of Form 3 and Form 5

[@darylsdesigns6679]

Mac Welch I see myself as a combat-oriented Niman specialist and add elements of the other forms into my technique

[@redpandaboi9404]

Mac Welch *there’s hope for you yet rookie*

[@QoQabai658]

That was Galen Marek's style, it was called Shien.

[@macwelch8599]

Jeffrey Doe Shien is a variation of Form 5, not a hybrid form

[@lanesmith1465]

I would probably use Form 3 while keeping forms 1 & 2 as supplements different situations.

[@clashsmchitcle7291]

Legend has it that Obi-Wan would carry dirt in his pocket so at any moment he could throw it on the ground and have the high ground.

[@1014p]

Clash Smchitcle this could be such a hilarious skit for Comedy Central with megregor. I can imaging them redoing the Anakin fight. The Anakin look alike saying your weak. Then he pulls dirt out and stands on it. No Anakin I have the high ground.

[@captainkangaroo5518]

Pocket sand!

[@jkdredd]

Remember, Vader had the advantage over most Sith simply because he used to spar with kenobi. He knew every strike before kenobi did, but he was attacking with a blind rage which prevented him from being aware of his surroundings

[@Steve-mg8it]

Jakk Dredd he didn’t see he didn’t have the high ground

[@jkdredd]

Oh he did, but he was so blinded by his rage that he thought he could beat his training

[@KaiserAfini]

So Jedi Weaponmaster Drallig, what did you say about Soresu ? Can't hear it over the sound of the holovid of your duel with Vader.

[@yulfine1688]

While he was a master he was not the level obiwan was at. He was a jack of all trades proficient in all forms but never the master in them.

[@keedoopop4900]

@@yulfine1688 if kenobi didnt train anakin even in a rage anakin would more then likely won they knew each other to well on top of anakon mind fucking himself

[@zyggybaranowski6852]

@@yulfine1688 "I fear the 1 punch you have practiced 10,000 times, not the 10,000 punches you have practiced once". It's better to master a single punch/form instead of using several techniques you haven't mastered. Ergo, Anakin's mastery of Djem So overcame Drallig's broader but more shallow knowledge of every form

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

KaiserAfini Facts 😂😂😂😂

[@OTTOAUDIO]

Zyggy Baranowski who is this quote from?

[@RyanTheDark]

Anakin: I'm about the end this Order's whole mission.

[@CD-R828]

ItsRyanYT YESS. But no.

[@Alarcj7]

I think that Soresu and Djem So would fit to me.

[@xero1048]

Jordi Studios ok

[@alejoreyes6012]

I really like the video and I agree that Soresu takes advantage on the sith reliance on emotion, but I don't think it is invincible. I believe Makashi is a counter to Soresu since its focus is on energy conservation and precision attacks without overexposing yourself, which negates 2 of Soresu main advantages.

[@shadow-qp2ns]

And justo it was said can destroy his defensas and with djem so

[@funnature8679]

"The" masters of Soresu's foundations: patience, focus, impenetrable defense, and finds openings(counterattack) of offense sword-fighters.

[@yourjokesaretotallyfromthe8909]

"Mastering the high ground, noone can defeat you”

[@yourjokesaretotallyfromthe8909]

Thank you Prof

[@colosalkompakt]

I think Obi was master of both low and high-ground. He killed(with some luck) Maul while being in an extreme low-ground and ofcouse destroyed Vader from a great high ground.

[@58akelly]

Then why does everyone sleep on obi when there is a vs series and I get he wasn’t the best with the force but he was proficient enough to hold his own after revenge of the sith as was shown

[@keedoopop4900]

Because kenobi wouldnt be able to beat barley any if any sith LORDS he beat a appentice who wasnt acctually trained as a sith and lost to dooku easily

[@Jonah_s550]

Bc he isn’t aggressive and defense gets slepped on😤. Defense wins championships but people only wanna talk about how many points they score ya know what I mean

[@58akelly]

keedoopop maul wasn’t trash and neither was anakin they both mopped the floor with people and I get he knew everything about anakin but maybe that’s also why dooku had his number

[@JabezFuutonSpecialis]

Kenobi as a master never lost on swordplay alone, his greatest weakness was that as soon as his blade activated his Force defenses dropped make him very easy to ragdoll

[@lilspliff918]

- thank u for proving my point and now it’s official this form is for me

[@xero1048]

L I L S P L I F F ok

[@RJ_Ehlert]

This weakness of Sith emotion overload is the only thing that has come close to making the end of the Maul Kenobi fight make sense to me.

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Obi-Wan and Cin Drallig: "Don't come out here with weakness! We can dance all night."

[@jordanglasper1064]

It’s unfortunate the vast majority do not realize the power of a form lll Master. Kenobi being dubbed “The Master” Of Soresu was very big deal. It’s even more unfortunate Kenobi never gets credit to legitimately matching Anakin in the force, physical strength & defeating him in combat.

[@andrebrown1835]

Even Mace knew Obi was the true master of form 3.Great video one of the best!!

[@Orto-jj2di]

That's why he managed to beat two greatest duelists of his time: 1 grievous who killed hundreds of jedi. 2 dark anakin who killed dooku couldve bested mace windu and killed all the jedi plus cin drallig.

[@markmoore4079]

@@Orto-jj2di There was no way that version of Anakin would've killed Mace Windu

[@Orto-jj2di]

@@markmoore4079 here you are very wrong. Do not overestimate mace. Plus fight in chancellors office is an unfaur fight so mace loses. Fair fight mace may have won but not in ROTS scenario

[@bryia3366]

I'm giving that like because Darth Zannah is my favorite Sith and she doesn't get the respect she deserves.

[@darylsdesigns6679]

Bryia I agree. A cunning, manipulative Sith Sorceress and a capable lightsaber duelist who fought off two Jedi enhanced by F*cking Battle Mediation definitely demands respect

[@taokenhanma2083]

I'm in love with darth zanna😍

[@QoQabai658]

Her apprentice Darth Cognus gets even less respect. And she was a brilliant Lady of the Sith.

[@darylsdesigns6679]

Jeffrey Doe tell me about it. Not only could Cognus see into the past and possible futures, but she also disrupt an opponent’s connection to the Force, giving her a considerable advantage

[@QoQabai658]

@@darylsdesigns6679 Her only blemish was that she trained that traitor Darth Millennial.

[@donniethedinosaur9921]

Well it was effective against it unless they had the high ground or their name was shaggy

[@naufalmuhammad6011]

Sha'agi died in 2D Clone Wars, but yes ... it's not canon

[@samvimes2821]

HE'S CANON TO ME DAMMIT

[@naufalmuhammad6011]

@@samvimes2821 His death isn't canon, heck.. he's the embodiment of THE FORCE if anything he would've mopped the floor with Palpy

[@Quimper111]

You'd think the Sith could easily adapt by developing a style similar to real life Silat or Kali, where creating fake openings/exposure to lure an attack from the opponent, then counterattacking, would be a perfect deception-based counter. Just fake getting tired or upset, then decieve your opponent and trick them into going for the kill, then kill them instead. Possibly even taking a minor hit to land a more devastating blow.

[@ThomasBravoGaming]

Nothing beats mastering the high ground

[@QoQabai658]

It didn't work for Luke against Vader.

[@josephrousell2818]

My disciplines: Dueling: Makashi/Soresu/Ataru hybrid form. (Djem so and Niman elements incorporated) Battlefield: Shien. (elements of Shii-cho, Niman and Juyo incorporated) Hand-to-hand combat: Steel hand and guiding hands. (Grafted onto Ataru's training in hand-to-hand combat) Weapon: (modified) Archaic saberstaff. Lightsaber color: Bronze Let's go!!

[@onesarcasticboi8760]

Slugthrower right in your back while you dont suspect it now you done

[@JaelaOrdo]

Makashi would still be my form of choice. It’s an elegant form, for a more civilized age.

[@darylsdesigns6679]

Jaela Aurelius 👌nice

[@TensionSlap]

Mine would be Djem So. Fuck elegance, in a fight you’re looking to win elegance does nothing in a fight except look good lmao.

[@KaiserAfini]

I would use Niman primarily, but taking the time to finely hone it to Exar Kun levels, no lazy "diplomat's approach". Adaptability, trickery, flexibility. Mixed with Soresu and Makashi. Survive through anything, having an efficient solution to close and long range until I came up with a great plan.

[@darylsdesigns6679]

KaiserAfini so a combat-oriented Niman specialist then? That’s me as well

[@donaldroberson7659]

I guess this age would be considered “so uncivilized”. Also, I'm form six and form three mixed together.

[@1massboy]

Form 3 + the high ground = victory

[@aquadonkey.]

Afyer watching these videos for the past week or so i gotta say.... ppl need to make more plagius/sidious artwork lol

[@jjmiles7173]

Shii Cho is good as well, but only against multiple(or an opponent with two melee weapons) opponents. Vaapad is my second favorite technique as well, but mainly due to the center of that form.

[@hatsunemikufanboy]

so form 3 is what happens when you roll a tank

[@howdoyouevenknow6526]

I'm a new subscriber to this channel gotta say I really enjoy these type of videos it's clear that you put alot of time in to making these love it bro keep it up

[@hunterjenkins6658]

That moment you realize you're a nerd when you liturally are about to have a heart a attack until he said obi wan was THE master of form 3 lol

[@jarrettallen9119]

I always thought it was convenient to always block then attack a weakness whenever playing any SW lightsaber adventure game. 👌🏽💯

[@DyrianLightbringer]

"Why Jedi who mastered this lightsaber combat form were undefeated against Sith" Except that Obi-Wan, the greatest master of Soresu during the Clone Wars, nearly lost to Grievous, was defeated by Dooku... twice, and effectively stalemated against Anakin until he acquired the high ground and Anakin did something dumb.

[@SammytheTongue]

Actually he didn't lose to Grievous, he lost his lightsaber AFTER Grievous ran like a bitch, and Dooku was an extremely powerful Force user and he was able to penetrate Obi-Wan's Force barrier with ease. Dooku was able to do this due to his sheer power in the Force and Obi-Wan's concentration upon his form. So Obi-Wan didn't lose in a lightsaber duel after he mastered Soresu, that was until he gave himself to the Force during ANH. During the battle on Geonosis he lost to Dooku because he simply hadn't mastered Soresu yet. Anakin was overconfident, yes but Obi-Wan was more level headed and was able to think clearly without immense rage and hurt clouding his judgement. Plus Obi-Wan was literally conserving his energy the entire time, there were multiple points where he could have taken him out with a flick of his wrist

[@nicapp984]

On the fight with Anakin... the reason Soresu is powerful against sith is exactly because it can stalemate them until they do something dumb. Because sith fight so emotionally, it's basically inevitable that they do something rash and stupid out of frustration if the fight drags on long enough.

[@RepublicConstitution]

@@SammytheTongue You're a complete idiot. Guaranteed you love Roundhead Ryan's trash Last Jedi movie. Disgusting

[@TSPH1992]

Obi doesn't hate sand. He mastered it

[@jarlvincentpineda4622]

@@RepublicConstitution what did he do to you?

[@abazabaabazaba4177]

This was a really good video! Really thought out, had a great flow, and it was brought full circle effortlessly. 👌🏽 I feel wiser having watched this lol

[@stevinritchiesr.8666]

A shield and patience. The true philosophy of form 3.

[@enki6676]

A hybrid form combining elements of Makashi, Soresu and Juyo/Vaapad would be hard to beat in theory, as it would be overall all-rounded. Makashi for offense, Soresu for defense, and Juyo/Vaapad providing an extra touch of power due to it's reliance on passion, rage and unpredictability.

[@joelcifuentes3098]

I agree that Form 3 Soresu is the best if all Forms. Its defense man, i believe that defense is more important then offense i mean think about. Thats why Obi-wan-kenobi is my favorite Jedi Master of all time.

[@Drako2k0]

I have an ex Sith OC Who focused on mastering form 3 in lightsaber combat, and balancing it with offensive force techniques. Thus he'd be able to use the force to counterattack from any angle he wished, while retaining the impenetrable defense of form 3.

[@fixit9844]

Nobody: SW Reading Club: If not for MeEeEeeEEEEEE

[@marcomongke3116]

I hope the upcomig Obi Wan series show and explain this at least a bit.

[@jptheflipper3825]

all very true, but you forget that it was Darth Zannah's Sith Sorcery that defeated Bane in the end as he did eventually disarm her in their final duel. Also I have read that that in some cases a Juyo master might break the defence of a master of Soresu and I believe Bane Vs Zannah is evident of that as he has a user of Juyo as well as Djem so

[@Venkt-g3c]

Give me a break. Anakin was confirmed as the better fighter by Lucas, the fight choreographer and the major sources in the EU. The only reason Kenobi lasted so long was because he knew how Anakin fought. That, coupled with the environment allowed him to keep pulling back. If it were neutral ground, that fight would have been won by Anakin, and that’s established by almost all the sources, including Lucas.

[@xxXXRAPXXxx]

But thats just not true. THE master of the form Obi wan Kenobi was defeated few times by opponents piercing his force shield with their force attacks (like Count Dooku did in episode 3 if not for Anakin Obi wan would be dead), Soretsu was so focused on lightsaber and blasted deflection that it could be bypassed by the force (at least i remember so).

[@alexdenty7041]

I have a theory on the obi wan and dooku rematch Palpatine's plan was to have Anikan fight dooku and give in to his anger so he would have wanted obi wan out of the fight every force user has a force shield to stop moves like a force choke the shield can be bypassed if another force user just out classes the other one and since Palpatine is at least on par with yoda he could take out obi wan's shield leaving him open to force attacks if you go back to the movie you can even see Palpatine gazing at obi wan but that's just my theory

[@jonahelder6755]

Keep in my mind the Obi-Wan was a subpar force user and it would not be hard to pierce his force shield.

[@alexdenty7041]

@@jonahelder6755 yes but you must remember by the time of the rematch dooku was not as powerful as he was before since he was older than Palpatine plus the dark side was destroying his body

[@Marcusjnmc]

@@alexdenty7041 that doesn't make Sith weaker in the force

[@alexdenty7041]

@@Marcusjnmc the weaker the body the weaker the connection to the force

[@-CrimsoN-]

And yes. Soresu is awesome in defense, but as seen with Obi-Wan vs. Dooku. It can be easily out maneuvered, since it is entirely dependent on defense.

[@kingschessclub]

Like Mace Windu wonderfully tells Obi-Wan right before General Kenobi vs General Grievous, " I could face Grievous again but who is better, the creator of a killing form called Val pad or the master of a classic ☝!)

[@sidious_sheev_senate]

>undefeated against sith >lost to Dooku twice

[@parkerstevens2880]

Anyone else notice that Darth zanas emmitters on her lightsaber are the same as mauls

[@MACE_HINDU]

Anikan beats him with one arm lol but it also explains why dukoo beat obi-won so many times he had better blade work and never lost his temper

[@127mfan]

This statement is only MOSTLY correct. Obi-Wan still lost against Dooku despite mastering Form III. While it is true, Dooku may or may not have simply overpowered Kenobi with the force, the fact remains he fought again Obi-Wan AND Anakin. And should he have been alone against Kenobi, it's very possible he could have defeated Soresu with his saber alone.

[@candys7285]

It's also pretty well established that Makashi is the dominant anti-lightsaber fighting form and that no one alive during the Clone Wars, save for Windu, was considered anything close to Dooku's equal in a light saber battle.

[@jedmask9484]

Hmmm... So basically with Obi-wan's mastery of Soresu in his duel with Anakin AKA "pre-suit Darth Vader" on Mustafar their fight was like the saying of "when an unstoppable force (Anakin/Darth Vader) meets and immovable object (Obi-wan Kenobi)" in the contrast of Anakin's offensive dueling style and Obi-wan's defensive dueling style.

[@maryuma7]

6:44 Kao wrote a book about combat techniques of a jedi master..cant find any source that has the details of this book but it would be cool to see.

[@stephenharbor3179]

Before I even clicked on this video I knew it was going to be form 3 Soresu 😂😂😂

[@ErikaWeiss633]

I'm very much a Form III and V user, finding some way to hybridize the two forms into a single adaptable form. I don't like kicking and flipping, I like guarding and guarding before exploiting any openings with vicious counter attacks. Using economy of motions of Form III, before counter attacking with Form V. Maybe later on I would start using bits of Form VI, but otherwise, it's my form.

[@shozanhanma2709]

4:15 - SITH and EMOTION (the sith are not afraid to feel)

[@pbr-streetgang]

Thanks for the vid sir.👍🏼👍🏼

[@jcloudhowe9794]

Great video, great info

[@TheGreatOne777]

The second you said he passed yoda as a duelist. I tuned out.

[@marajade2932]

Redirection is the best tool against those who rely on power and emotion...

[@davidr5284]

What if a jedi created a hybrid style between vapaad and soresu whereby one defends patiently with forms of soresu while waiting for an opening to use an onslaught of vapaad, striking balance between furious attacks that are fueled by the dark side of oneself and of the enemy, and the calm mind and decisiveness inherent to a more defensive, classical light side soresu. The ultimate sith killer Jedi.

[@kinglionheart450]

Well they're technically was an ancient Jedi Master who we can actually play as the hero of tython he was a master of form one definitely form 3 and Nieman now combining all these together will make a deadly Jedi Master but he seems to use form 3 very much when you choose between all three of the types of combat form 3 seems to be his favored along with Form 1 and he was able to beat so many stuff in his time even beating the Sith emperor and becoming a Jedi Battlemaster

[@damn_longhead6938]

Obi wan battlefront is literally how obi wan fights in movies,block block,outmaneuver,block block

[@MMZERO9]

For me it would be a mixture of Forms 3, 4, and 5 for a good, all-around style.

[@alejandroortiz6599]

My lightsaber combat would be a fine combination between form II (Makashi) and form IV (Ataru)

[@darylsdesigns6679]

Alejandro Ortiz those are the lightsaber disciplines of Jedi Master Shaak Ti

[@alejandroortiz6599]

@@darylsdesigns6679 Yes I know, she is my second favorite jedi

[@NobleWolf]

I tend to be more focused on form 3,4 and 5 when it comes to my dueling but I switch to form 1 and 3 when I need to feel out a person and gauge them or switch tactics when I can break through.

[@mmaphilosophytheologyscien4578]

What are you talking about? 😂

[@NobleWolf]

@@mmaphilosophytheologyscien4578 Lightsaber fighting forms.

[@BladeFitAcademy]

All this theory on forms and such is interesting and a loved part of Star Wars, but I find it curious, as a purly defensive sword fighting form is going to get one killed as they forfeit any influence on how the fight unfolds. It's rare that a sword fight goes beyond three actions before a strike or a thrust lands. So to survive an excellent swordsman must press the attack enough without overcommitment. Use feints to bring the opposition to a state of imbalance, then strike when the opportunity arises. Having tight defensive form really helps as well. But a purely defensive form 3 being more powerful? Not possible. Having said that Obi Wan is my fave. He always was the huckleberry hero, which makes him so fun to watch in the prequels.

[@coreyconger4439]

Obi-Wan got housed by Dooku so many times it disproves this entire video.

[@eaglessixersfankeepingitre3247]

Actually a great Jedi is like Reven, being able to move fluidly through all seven forms applying them to any opponent as needed. Reven was the best.

[@mikelombard21]

Also due to force augmentation and the ferocity of many sith, battles would be very short, under a minute. So extending battles really strained many sith force reserves.

[@smashingpots9928]

Syn drelek was one of the greatest charactors. He was only beat by anakin after being wounded by clones. He shared power with yoda and windu. He was an equal with the greatest warriors in his era of jedi, and he never had a line in the movies.

[@RepublicConstitution]

The claims in the first three minutes about Obi-Wan cannot possibly be true. This has been addressed before. If Obi-Wan was better than Yoda, Yoda would've sent him after the Emperor but he knew the Emperor would kill Obi. Game, set, match.

[@alecsmith3448]

Ok, but what about when Obi wan and Anakin fought Dooku at the beginning of episode 3?

[@espabuser]

If I were a jedi I think my style would be a hybrid of Djem So, Soresu, and Juyo/Vaapad.

[@Comic3665]

mine would be Soresu, Ataru and Shii-Cho

[@kaankutlay6785]

I havent watched the video yet but i know the lightsaber form is Soresu and the reason it wins against the sith is Soresu form is defensive and Siths fight aggresively

[@guudnewdle6910]

Why is this video ignoring that Dooku beat Obi-Wan easily?

[@eddiesorensen1016]

Niklas Nordbäck because Obi wan was attacking not defending

[@717jeezy]

Darth zannah used soresu as well and adapted it with a double bladed saber and performed it well !!!

[@BLACKDOJAH789]

So A Prudent but more importantly a patient Sith could use form 3 and then at the right time use a passionate attack to Win all duels right?

[@brendanroy452]

So i guess where just gonna forget that Anakin beat Cin Dralling and Count dooku beat Obi Wan, both form 3. Maybe form 3 gives you better odds against the sith but saying a form 3 "never" lost is just a lie.

[@jordanglasper1064]

Your looking at it from the wrong perspective. Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker was a level 9 Master Duelist. Jedi Master Obi-wan Kenobi was a level 8 Master Duelist. Jedi Master Cin Dralic was a level 5 Master Duelist. Jedi Master Mace Windu was a level 10 Master Duelist, as was Master Yoda. Obi-wan Kenobi was “The Master Of Soresu,” This meant Kenobi was unbeatable to anyone equal to his level or lower. Bcuz Mace & Yoda are the strongest fighters, in that order, Kenobi was not on they’re level & could easily be defeated by both. Anakin beat Cin with one arm while dueling another Jedi combatant like child’s play. This was do to the gap in they’re respective power levels. Simply Mastering for lll was not enough. One had to be on a very high level. It all depends on the level of mastery a Jedi Padawan, Knight or Master elevated to. In Attack Of The Clones, Anakin was a level 7 Master Duelist whereas Obi-wan was a level 5 Master Duelist. Dooku was a level 8. Despite the level of mastery is important. For as powerful thru form lll Kenobi proved to become in Revenge Of The Sith, Yoda flat out told Kenobi he was nowhere near strong enough to beat Palpatine. Think of it like this also, there are 3 tiers within each level. Low tier, Mid Tier, High Tier. Levels 1 - 10.

[@brendanroy452]

@@jordanglasper1064 Ok first off i want wherever link you have to prove that these characters where a " level 8 or 10 duelist." Where in star wars has it ever gave dueling a grade of 1-10. Second you never disproved my point. All you said was basically no form 3 was a 'level 10' and got defeated by a sith and to that i say well guess what the video says "why a form 3 never lost to a sith" not why a form 3 'level 10' never lost to a sith. Honestly your comment sounded like per nonsense, please direct me to any link, it can be canon or legends that says individual dueling forms had tiers 1-10. Because otherwise it sounds like you're making shit up.

[@coadacatalin4510]

My preference would be a combination of Makashi, Soresu and Djem-So (including the Shien variant).

[@treiwilson9445]

Form 3 and Form 6 would be interesting.

[@alienishere002]

Those are my 2 favorite forms.

[@treiwilson9445]

@@alienishere002 Same here. In my opinion. In order to master form six. You must master form 3.

[@jesse_cole]

Whatever. Dooku kicked Obi Wan's ass twice in the films. So much for his "invincible style," lol.

[@starwarzfan49]

In episode 2 he was still studying form 3 not mastering it. In episode 3 dooku overwhelmed obi through sheer power in the force not through lightsaber combat

[@michaelandreipalon359]

If only we can use this style on the likes of the Jedi Knight/Dark Forces and Battlefront games...

[@luckerooni7628]

Many Jedi didn't bother to master Form 3 to fight the Sith for the same reason few Jedi didn't bother to learn Form 2 - the Jedi of the Clone Wars were not equipped or prepared or trained to fight the Sith, but enemies with blasters validated a basic understanding. So in war-like combat, Jedi would use Form 3 defensively, but they would default to a balanced and easy to learn Form 1, an acrobatic Form 4 which was probably the most exciting form for young Padawans, or a comprehensive Form 6. It's important to take into context that Jedi are not really concerned with light saber vs light saber mastery at the level of Knight and below during Clone Wars era and it was considered a sort of preference or curiosity or even reason for caution if you bothered to master something related to that.

[@goddog8739]

My friend has been learning soresu. The only problem is that he can’t my djem so as I literally break the block. When I use makashi he I use the quick decisive strikes and stabs in areas I know he can’t block well. You can defeat any opponent if you know their strengths and weaknesses

[@717jeezy]

Now fuse cerissuu with for jimm-so for ultimate defence followed by ultimate attack. Too bad we didn't exactly get to see obi wan and Anakin take on a full effort dooku at the same time instead of them being separated and dooku only half ass trying and led to him being overwhelmed ultimately being defeated and beheaded .

[@RideAfterMidnight]

1. Obi Wan has been defeated by Douku more than once. 2. Mace Windu stated Obi Wan had the best chance against Grevious because Grevious has the ability to learn and copy other styles. Grievous would have become way too strong if he fought Windu since Windu's lightsaber form was extremely powerful. The best option would be a defensive lightsaber form, and Obi Wan was by far the best user of that form. 3. Form 3 is highly respected because it is the textbook example of what a jedi should be, which is why Obi Wan was the ideal jedi in terms of ideals and principles.

[@edsr164]

I wonder: how would Obi-Wan have fared if he had faced Darth Sidious? Would he have survived?

[@roigergoololo3966]

Negative. If Sidious wanted to win, he would've simply broken his force barrier through his UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAA!!!!,

[@babycow2721]

Yoda straight up told him he stood no chance against Sidious LMAOOOOO.

[@Venkt-g3c]

In the novel, Yoda says Kenobi would “never” be powerful enough to face the emperor.

[@babycow2721]

@@Venkt-g3cthis is it exactly

[@Venkt-g3c]

@Jason Rasmussen I'll take the novel's reason over what you want the reason to be. Yoda tells Obi-Wan explicitly that he'll never be strong enough to face the Emperor.

[@perun3706]

Arrogance is good, confidence is better, high ground is the best.

[@antwonaztec4356]

I guess Obi wan wasn’t a master of form 3 considering he got creamed by count dooku

[@farid1406]

Twice lol

[@hjmb7059]

Heeeeeyeee HOWDY Mister :) :)

[@MyElune]

When I read the title and saw the thumbnail I already had a feeling it'd be soresu