This whole thing is dumb these two scenes don't even compare, LIKE THE VIDEO DISCORD: discord.gg/8xXYajS7 TWITTER: twitter.com/HighCHD TWITCH: www.twitch.tv/highchd
@chilliicecream54564 ай бұрын
She-Hulk begs us to take her seriously Deadpool begs us to not take him seriously at all. Simple as that
@Nathan-ti9pm4 ай бұрын
Deadpool’s dance took skill and talent She-Hulks is basically just shaking your ass.
@ALUMINOS4 ай бұрын
Cgi shaking ass
@justsomeguywholovesberserk63754 ай бұрын
The Reason why the Deadpool scene is loved is because, it sets up the tone for the film, not only that but it is also way better choreographed than the She Hulk dance, as it is actually done by a Dancer, meanwhile She Hulk dance was done out of nowhere and it was not funny, it was just cringe and pointless, and Deadpool as a character is also way better written and more well established than Princess Fiona over here
@Blackshadow7490-l6z4 ай бұрын
Talk your sh*t
@Gav16234 ай бұрын
Even princess fiona was better than she hulk.
@justsomeguywholovesberserk63754 ай бұрын
@@Gav1623 I am comparing the CGI level of She Hulk to a 23 year old film
@bapte15454 ай бұрын
Louder king
@princessqueen68814 ай бұрын
Don't you ever in your life disrespect princess fiana like that. Tf she do to you to get that disrespect? To compare her to that trash ahh cgi that disrespected she hulk who was for some reason usually unapologetically hot.
@Splatoongalaxy34 ай бұрын
0:34 I’m sorry to hear that
@TheGeekofAllTrades84 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@HighCHD4 ай бұрын
lol
@GTTB-2274 ай бұрын
Simple. Deadpool's was fun and entertaining. She-Hulk's was ass, no pun intended.
@Scaash4 ай бұрын
That scene in She Hulk about her controlling her anger better than him. That's what killed it for me. Like no B!tch being cat called and having issues at work that you can quit or report to HR which in this day in age would way side with her, do not compare to a Life time of depression and suicidal thoughts and attempts that steam from emotional and physical abuse by a parent which in same time lines he watch his father kill his mother. Hulk face is perfect it is "yeah what ever"
@Yourfat2474 ай бұрын
Not only that people are defending this by saying ‘she’s not comparing herself to Bruce, you missed the point!’ Which is why we watch before we think
@mr.vlaimes6824 ай бұрын
In the comics, she’s in more control because she was exposed to less gamma. In the show, she’s better, essentially, just because.
@Scaash4 ай бұрын
@@mr.vlaimes682 Right and in the comics when she got more exposer and mutated again she become more like her cousin.
@CoolstarYT64 ай бұрын
Simple. Deadpool’s is enjoyable to look at, isn’t forced, makes sense for him to do, sets a tone for the movie, isn’t fan service, has actual skill and is actually funny
@thebigAgaming4 ай бұрын
If you think a dance that was used to say goodbye to an era Is the same thing As A sexual dance to celebrate the end of an episode You completely lack knowledge of how the two scenes were implemented
@TempestKnight164 ай бұрын
Didn't Deadpool grab his ass in the intro to the movie? pretty sexual in my opinion. Also he danced sexually in the Celine Dion music video. He was wearing high heels for god sake.
@princessqueen68814 ай бұрын
I'm more confused while people are still trying to make she hulk show relevant. No matter how you do it....the she hulk show was ahh and disrespectful to the character. I don't care if she's a fictional character,to many fans they are real.
@PR1ME984 ай бұрын
Even though both characters are known for breaking the 4th wall… Deadpools 4th wall breaks are actually cleaver and thought out. With that dance at the beginning of the movie, it perfectly establishes how wacky and crazy this adventure is gonna be for our red merc. MCU She-Hulks 4th wall breaks feel forced af and don’t have nearly as much substance compared to, as wolverine calls him, “mouth”
@mastertjt564 ай бұрын
True although the scene where Wolverine she blurted "Mouth" was funny as fuck. It was random but it worked
@TheKing-bq4ez4 ай бұрын
she hulk was never supposed to be a character that breaks the 4th wall
@Handlelesswithme4 ай бұрын
Because the Deadpool dance is not abrupt cringe and actually follows both the pacing of the film and has an actual use to move the plot forward while maintaining its tone
@peacejoy13964 ай бұрын
Well if you were to ask me why people loved Deadpool's dance and not She-Hulk twerking is to put it like this: Imagine if instead of the opening of Deadpool's NSYNC based dance route we that got, we rather got to see him hitting the griddy
@Gotrul1174 ай бұрын
Easy answer, it’s in character for Deadpool to do what he did, and not in character for she-hulk.
@d4red3v1l84 ай бұрын
Deadpool >>>>> She-hulk What happens when a woman says they prefer the deadpool dance over the she-hulk “dance”? Are they gonna call me s3xist too? Lmao
@Meldrick-jv7sy4 ай бұрын
Nah, they'll say "you just have internalized misogyny."
@yunehversomi14584 ай бұрын
Deadpool, Star Lord and Justin Hammer simply have better dance moves to show off.
@Miles-Morales-q3w4 ай бұрын
Think of it like this. Would u rather see Deadpool dancing or Spider-Man twerking?
@Yourfat2474 ай бұрын
‘But but but, Spider-Man twerking is comic accurate, one of his many writers said so’
@Miles-Morales-q3w4 ай бұрын
@@Yourfat247 But it won't be funny
@ShockwaveFPSStudios4 ай бұрын
I swear, the Deadpool Movies understood who Deadpool is while the She-Hulk Disney+ Series doesn’t understand who She-Hulk is.
@ALUMINOS4 ай бұрын
She-hulk does a non she-hulk thing: “wooowwww” Deadpool does a Deadpool thing: “boooooo!”
@The_Punisher4 ай бұрын
Shes also a hypocrite
@KingSonic19914 ай бұрын
Also the reason he used Logan’s body was because he said he wasn’t going to use any of *HIS* weapons
@JAH1-NT_5LAYER4 ай бұрын
Can't argue with you there HighC. That scene where She-Hulk says to Bruce that she's had to control her anger infinitely more than he's ever had to is just absurd and goes to show that the writers know nothing about the character. Bruce had been The Hulk for years before She-Hulk even existed, which already contradicts her entire statement. They don’t even show those struggles throughout the show, which proofs that statement invalid. In regards to the two dance scenes, the team behind Deadpool and Wolverine understands that Deadpool would do something as crazy as dancing next to Wolverine's grave whilst disrespecting his corps as it's been a part of his character throughout different comics and cartoons. Also, Deadpool's dance focuses on the main core protagonist as it shows his character and personality, which sets the tone for this movie. Not to mention the fact that the opening was so good that this scene now lives rent-free in my head. 😂 Whereas She-Hulk's dancing just came completely out of nowhere and feels forced. I understand that She-Hulk is a very flirtatious character in the comics, but that twirk scene doesn’t show that one bit. To this day, I still don't understand why they got Megan The Stallion on that show, other than to appeal to a certain audience.
@danielwesley50514 ай бұрын
Bruce’s father was abusive and killed Bruce’s mom in front of him. Bruce struggled with dissociative identity disorder because of this, which was only made worse by the gamma radiation. He was hunted by the government for years. He has several personalities vying for control of his body all the time, some being uncontrollable rage monsters, some being vicious, dark impulses, and one being a cold blooded serial killer who literally calls himself the devil. He can’t even die! He’s going to keep going till his irradiated body turns to dust.
@The_WIll_OF_D994 ай бұрын
That whole scene also does obviously show that she can't control her anger. It's obvious for us and to the Hulk as well. Because he just watches her transformed can be seen smiling. Even when they have their little spat Hulk even told her that she said hurtful things to him. She doesn't apologize for that ever. Which is shitty. Plus saying you control your anger to the Hulk is definitely like probably a really bad written scene. (Again I GET WHY IT'S THERE... Doesn't change how shit the scene was)
@jaredherodps5godofwarragnarok.4 ай бұрын
Deadpool and wolverine is amazing
@MKTyphon4 ай бұрын
Deadpool is funny, because the enemy are more pissed off that he can’t die, while he is mocking their attempts.
@spyjack694 ай бұрын
She hulk: TikTok stunt, wants to be taken seriously but is horrible at it Deadpool: tone setter, fits the character, takes actual skill to do
@Pebieditor4 ай бұрын
What an outro "Am I dreaming" song with miles and gwen is amazing We're eagerly waiting for beyond the spider verse
@featherguardian60234 ай бұрын
Ok I didn’t know that the Bye Bye Bye Song was also a Homage to X2 mocking Wolverine which makes it more Clever, anyhow as for the Difference between these Character is clear, Deadpool was handled Well with the Comedy, making fun to Himself, and Ryan is not acting like his Funny, He is Naturally Funny and Understands the Character more than we know, he would even tell if the Prosthetic is Flawed that he would do it Again, now that’s Dedication, while She-Hulk was Executed so Poorly and Bad that they have Zero Knowledge and Respect for the Character, relies too much on GAO’s Feminist Agenda that Good Story Telling for a Character that started with Misfortune but tries to be Self Confidence as the Story Progress, and Tatiana was so Miscast or is giving us the Impression of it as the Character is more than just Comedy and a Femme Fatale, She’s Intelligent, Level Headed, a Hot Head, Relatable, Charismatic, and is Funny but in a Dry Humor Kind of Way but all we got it a Terrible Adaptation that the Episodes could have Built Up the Character than to Jump on every Single Idea that was Rush, Deadpool for the Win.
@justsomeguywholovesberserk63754 ай бұрын
Also the show completely character assasinated her in the first episode and relied on Daredevil appearing to save it
@iraford57884 ай бұрын
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375Nah, regurdless of your personal opinion on the quality of the She-hulk show overall, one thing that is universally agreed upon even by people who hate the show and even one of the She-hulk comic book writers themself is that the adaptation of her character to the MCU in this show was 100% accurate and well done being faithful to the comics.
@justsomeguywholovesberserk63754 ай бұрын
@@iraford5788 I am sorry nothing about it was funny, The show got bad reviews because it has poor writing, I swear all of you will just find any reason to defend this show, I mean if you like it that is fine, but this show just is not for me, and it shows, why is this She Hulk hated when other versions of She Hulk are actually liked
@HighCHD4 ай бұрын
@@iraford5788 the show is definitely not 100% comic book accurate lmao especially when it comes to Skaar and Titania. They messed them up BAD. Even then the problem isn’t about comic book accuracy, the issue is the execution. Something can be “comic accurate” and still not be executed well. The meta humor and lawyer stuff is there but that’s not done well either. The writing and pacing just isn’t great, it’s cool if y’all like it tho. 😂
@Yourfat2474 ай бұрын
GAO?
@Tomb1214 ай бұрын
Aswell deadpool said “god I should have asked nsync” in the music video for the song at the start of deadpool 2
@doktor31964 ай бұрын
I never once thought twerking was attractive. I don't care who does it.
@alecanicecuppatea4 ай бұрын
gay?
@mckahllace76054 ай бұрын
It’s trashy
@justsomeguywholovesberserk63754 ай бұрын
Its a dance move with absolutely no skill in it, meanwhile the Deadpool dance was performed by a professional dancer
@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr4 ай бұрын
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 , your comment is completely truthful whenever it comes to Deadpool as a whole.
@doktor31964 ай бұрын
@@alecanicecuppatea I guess we can test it if you pay for the hotel room.
@MusicLover-my6fo4 ай бұрын
Yeah, you're right. The dances can't be compared because the characters can't be compared; Deadpool & She Hulk are both satire characters but it's under completely difference circumstances.
@flamingglitch81124 ай бұрын
The reason people are making a big deal out of this is simple. If they don't, they have to admit they made a poor product. They rather would blame sexism and say that is the cause of why their product didn't work
@TheGeekofAllTrades84 ай бұрын
I agree!! the whole arguement is a dumb but when you got mfs calling marvel the M-She-U over the last few years and actually being horrible ppl i get how it looks bad overall 😂.. but they're just the loud minority similar to some star wars "Fans" You said it though, She hulk as a whole can be corny at times
@comicbooknerd35704 ай бұрын
Agreed
@Yourfat2474 ай бұрын
With projects like echo, the marvels, miss marvel, she hulk etc. can you really blame them?
@serpouncedk39334 ай бұрын
deadpool dance was very much in charecter for what we have learned about him the last 2 movies. she hulk dance was a random cut away gag😅
@MKTyphon4 ай бұрын
Deadpool and Wolverine relationship is more entertaining than she hulk.
@youngghoulentertainment2 ай бұрын
Exactly my point
@cfowler79364 ай бұрын
These few sensitive people trying really hard to demonise Deadpool's dance into something that they see personally attacked their views.
@julianbalenzano64324 ай бұрын
Really Speaks Volume when you Realize She-Hulk is just Twearking….and DEADPOOL is Desecrating LOGAN’S Grave and Corpse 😂😂
@The_Punisher4 ай бұрын
I think why people hated She-Hulk twerking was she says how much she hated being hit and objectified by men in the first episode then episodes later in her office at work is twerking objectifying herself and even sexualizing herself
@danielenglish2354 ай бұрын
Yup you figured it out, Here's a cookie 🍪
@djwolfenstein4 ай бұрын
Deadpools dance was not only made to show that Deadpool and Wolverine wasn't "Disney-fied" but it was also a goodbye to the Fox Marvel films and obviously the scene in X2 and was also saying "Nah we're gonna be as disrespectful as possible." While She Hulks scene just came out of absolutely nowhere, wasn't really set up and most importantly.....wasn't funny.
@anperson83734 ай бұрын
Because she hulk is an awful show and deadpool and wolverine is a great film?
@jeremyhawkins67814 ай бұрын
I can't think of 1 joke that she hulk made that was funny.🤷🏿♂️ Deadpool on the other hand 😂 him and his roommate ALWAYS crack me up "Do you wanna build a snowman". The fact that she's an old blind black lady is comedy in itself.
@MaCabaret4 ай бұрын
It’s simple. For Deadpool it was on brand, hilarious, and fit the tone of his movie. She Hulk was unfunny, unnecessary, and trashy, especially with Megan Thee Stallion.
@droth10312 ай бұрын
Character played by a fan boy, versus Character written as self insert fan fiction. Yeah, real head scratcher...
@GoodNeutralEvilChaos4 ай бұрын
Never seen She-Hulk, never will she She-Hulk.
@joegover94524 ай бұрын
Deadpool did what Spiderman Starlord AND SHE HULK Could not do
@ladypool14044 ай бұрын
When Deadpool dance while killing guards with a dead wolverine skull; it's funny. When he broke the fourh wall, i feel like i'm his friend and he wants us to have a good time. That's nice 🙂 When She hulk dances, it's more cringe than anything else. I don't know how it is when she broke the fourh wall, didn't saw the show and i don't plan to.
@James-ep2bx3 ай бұрын
From what I've heard from more reasonable females fans suggests the twerking scene, and much of the show, is a case of 'lost in translation' as many of the scenes read differently from girl world norms. Like apparently she reads as a hot mess to them, closer to Tony then Bruce
@alexisdominey64874 ай бұрын
Her dance can be compared to the Spider-Man 3 dance.
@catandrobbyflores4 ай бұрын
And the spider man dance is still better.
@joebove44 ай бұрын
The funniest part is that She-Hulk is triggering you guys two years after the fact.
@ivantheterrible25944 ай бұрын
Deadpool can dance! She-Hulk cannot!
@jeremyhawkins67814 ай бұрын
Everyone here is on the same page.
@sammcfarlane24944 ай бұрын
She-Hulk is twerking is grunge.
@jamesmcdonald64474 ай бұрын
Deadpool Are Better Than She Hulk
@AnawackBeatbox4 ай бұрын
Naw michael jackson is better than them
@Degamer4224 ай бұрын
Isn’t it weird that there are multiple videos? Focusing on this one reason why Deadpool is better than she hulk and not the dozens of other reasons
@lilkingg824 ай бұрын
I feel like this controversy was manufactured so content creators can have content 😂 I've never heard this from anyone outside of the Internet
@MajorLaLlama4 ай бұрын
Twerking is just stupid, no matter who does it.
@whatwhat984 ай бұрын
One scene fits the character and sets the tone/mood for the rest of the movie The other does not. It is also wh*rish and unladylike behavior
@Al-ix5qq4 ай бұрын
You forgot to insert the women aren't funny joke
@Yourfat2474 ай бұрын
The she hulk writers room speaks for itself 😂
@Al-ix5qq4 ай бұрын
@@Yourfat247 I haven't even watched it and I think I'm good tbh
@Gundam44 ай бұрын
Definitely @@Yourfat247
@Pinkstonsheep24 ай бұрын
Hi
@JeffMaple-j8f4 ай бұрын
She hulk is like modern feminism
@omoefeasiemo36014 ай бұрын
oh so jen is always in the right that is why in the very first episode when she said she doesn't have to be a hulk she is immediately put in a satiation were she has to be a hulk
@omoefeasiemo36014 ай бұрын
3:22 this dude clearly doesn't understand the difference between someone being sexy and them being sexualized in that she-hulk scene no one is looking at her or objectifying her there is one person how sees what she is doing and doesn't bat an eye he go's on with his day
@fisterlove57114 ай бұрын
Boy bout GAY AS HELL!!!!😭😭😭😭😭🔥🔥🔥🔥
@Pinkstonsheep24 ай бұрын
Late
@charlesharry79014 ай бұрын
How deadpool & wolverine is a gay thing really? Deadpool really not gay he anti hero love goofy off c mon
@Chudi20004 ай бұрын
I blame Ryan Reynolds, literally a third of the humor in the movie is Deadpool going: what if I had sex with other men, that would be cRaZy right guys? 🤪
@martinbarrett4674 ай бұрын
Deadpool is pansexual in the comics, so the jokes make sense. He just likes sex, gender doesn’t matter
@Chudi20004 ай бұрын
@@martinbarrett467 I know, but in both the comics and films it feels like he’s fishing for a cheap laugh while checking off the diversity box. It reminds me of that one straight homie who acts gay cuz he thinks it’s funny. That is why we never really see Deadpool actually act on those desires, cuz they are always treated as a joke, unlike his feelings for women like Lady Death and Vanessa. I would rather have him just be straight than that.
@martinbarrett4674 ай бұрын
@@Chudi2000 ya know what, when you put it like that I can’t help but wholeheartedly agree with you 🤔.
@billbop97954 ай бұрын
@@Chudi2000checking off what diversity box? The gay people were outraged about all the gay jokes. Just seems like the jokes are their cause Ryan Reynolds’s thinks it’s funny. And it works for Deadpool he likes to troll and make people uncomfortable and it’s what makes it funny to me. How over the top he is
@paydo77194 ай бұрын
You will never understand women dude...no one does...
@solblackguy4 ай бұрын
The twerking was a meant reference to those b-roll moments during the closing credits of a sitcom that has a celebrity guest. People made it into the biggest manufactured controversy when it was supposed to just be a gag.
@popcrazyfishProductions4 ай бұрын
Because Everyone likes Deadpool because he's cool and edgy. Nobody likes she hulk. That's literally the only reason most people wouldn't listen to that garbage song if it wasn't for dp
@Nito444 ай бұрын
You just go back to glazing she hulk, no one cares about your opinion
@HeterosexuaI4 ай бұрын
homie how old are you? the song he dances to was picked because it's an extremely popular song from before you were born. was that scene genuinely the first time you heard it?
@christaylor79164 ай бұрын
Yup these marvel fans don't care about that n sync song or n sync period lmaooo. They only care about the song now cuz of Deadpool lmao. That's why Bye Bye Bye only NOW has tons of comments pouring in on it constantly because of the Deadpool scene
@christaylor79164 ай бұрын
Yup these marvel fans don't care about that n sync song or n sync period lmaooo. They only care about the song now cuz of Deadpool lmao. That's why Bye Bye Bye only NOW has tons of comments pouring in on it constantly because of the Deadpool scene
@popcrazyfishProductions4 ай бұрын
@@Nito44 But no one liked she hulk, thats the point🤣 its not an opinion its fact that she hulk wasnt well recieved
@Idontlikedisney4 ай бұрын
Woke people just love to cry 😂
@BigSmoke-ew5td4 ай бұрын
Woke woke woke is all you say be quiet
@CLyde2854 ай бұрын
I did not think the Deadpool dance worked. Actually I thought it was pretty cringe 😬
@ObsidianArrowYT4 ай бұрын
L take go back to she hulk
@Yourfat2474 ай бұрын
I’m sorry you didn’t like it
@craig21964 ай бұрын
I'm going to be honest. The DeadPool dance went on way too long.
@KaizerSozaye4 ай бұрын
But there’s literally a fight scene in between…. So wtf are you bitching about?
@craig21964 ай бұрын
@@KaizerSozaye I'm not bitching, I just think it went on too long.
@Yourfat2474 ай бұрын
It really didn’t and he was barely dancing
@Yourfat2474 ай бұрын
@@craig2196you are bitching, it didn’t go on for long
@TempestKnight164 ай бұрын
They are the same thing though. They both dance during credits. (Opening and ending) they're both characters who break the fourth wall. People really do just hate She-Hulk.
@Christian_Ada14 ай бұрын
I have to agree with you there because the people always screaming go woke go broke and they’re tired of the messaging and LGBTQIA characters being put in comfortable films went crazy over Deadpool and Wolverine, which could be an allegory of a gay couple The bottom and the other one masculine the top There’s no way that the car fights in between Deadpool and wolverine could not be taken for severe sexual tension that would end up in them having sex so many people caught that
@HighCHD4 ай бұрын
They are both comedic characters but were handled completely differently. She-Hulk is literally goated in every other piece of media she was in except in the MCU show lol. I don’t think this one is about “hating women”, one was executed well and the other wasn’t 🤷🏾♂️ fine if you like it though
@TempestKnight164 ай бұрын
@@Christian_Ada1 Deadpool's as woke as you can get. And we all love him
@josephdent68254 ай бұрын
@@HighCHD the version of her from the Fantastic Four animated series was Peak
@DreadGB4 ай бұрын
The "MCU" She Hulk is the only one who gets this level of hate because, IMO, how poorly the show is written, every other She Hulk is loved by fans from my experiences
@et40034 ай бұрын
Nah I disagree, Deadpool wastes his time killing tva agents that aren’t a threat to him when he could be looking for another Wolverine, and it’s made worse by the fact throughout both montages he’s not taking the potential death of his world consistently seriously at all She Hulk’s was supposed to be a goofy credits scene so it wasn’t supposed to affect the plot
@MypalMrBuddy4 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure the dancing sequence isn’t supposed to be something “canon” for a lack of better words. It’s supposed to be like the other deadpool openings. Like Deadpool 2’s for example. We see Deadpool doing transitions and even dance moves, but they aren’t mentioned as actually happening in the movie. Deadpool acknowledges he’s in a movie and knows the tropes. He reacts as it goes along but he knows what’s supposed to happen.
@The_WIll_OF_D994 ай бұрын
It seems like you didn't watch the movie or understand the situation.... Go back and watch it
@et40034 ай бұрын
@@MypalMrBuddy I wasn’t talking about the dancing (though at least if they’re gonna have Deadpool dance while killing people it should happen in the same area, not on a green screen away from the action) Also this is an issue all 3 movies had with overusing the meta 4th wall shtick, if you want people to care about the story you can’t constantly allude to the fact that it’s not real, both she hulk and Deadpool have that problem
@et40034 ай бұрын
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 I did understand it quite well, and it was a moderately entertaining but bad scene
@MypalMrBuddy4 ай бұрын
@@et4003 That’s my point, the dancing has no effect on the overall plot of the movie. It’s just meant to be a gag (that like I said, I don’t think is “canon” to the events of the movie. Also it had to be green screen because it wasn’t Ryan in the suit doing the dancing. It was an actual dance performer. So that’s why it was shot somewhere else because he was probably unavailable for filing that day. As for Deadpool breaking the fourth wall, I can see how you feel like it affects how the story impacts you, but that’s why you need to understand why DP does what he does. He knows he’s in a movie, but that doesn’t change the fact that he loves his family. He knows the movie is going to end in a big climactic third act, but if Wolvi isn’t there by the third act, his world won’t live.
@BoldDude9514 ай бұрын
No, it’s just recency bias smh
@Yourfat2474 ай бұрын
No? It’s just sexism. People hate deadpool and defend she hulk because he’s a man
@thiccpalpatine4 ай бұрын
Jen’s line about being talked down to by incompetent men in her area of expertise will never not be funny to me. Considering later on in the show, Jen shows herself to be incompetent and gets absolutely bodied by a man like Matt Murdock in the courtroom. Doubly ironic when it was revealed the writers of the show admitted they knew absolutely nothing about law as a practice. Looks like maybe they needed a good talking down to.