Why Did Bethesda Cut The Arena (and not all this)?

[@nuqrs]

Having an arena in every city sounds a lot like how the mages guild gave you a quest to do in every city before you got to the arcane university. While I enjoy that part of the mages guild questline, I don't think it would have been as fun for a bunch of arenas because it would probably be way more repetitive.

[@TheCantinaChannel]

Also apparently some of the arenas weren't nearly as impressive.

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

One way I could see it working without feeling too repetitive is each arena represents a rank. For example, Bravil would be Pit Dog while the Imperial City is Champion.

[@perfectquimica3437]

They could have released a DLC tho lol

[@TheCantinaChannel]

I'm guessing the problem with that is the additional arena meshes that filled the cities would have been too much already, so they would have had to leave giant empty spaces and then pop them in with DLC. Buuuut if that wasn't an issue it certainly could have been dlc for sure.

[@perfectquimica3437]

@@TheCantinaChannel They just didn't want to. The arena could have been its own area, as it was. Like the shivering isles but smaller in scale. For all the removed arenas. Again, they were just lazy on it. the also had a very small team so I understand they wanted to push the other DLCs

[@CthulhuCrisis]

@@perfectquimica3437 I love when random youtube commenters who have never made AAA titles decide what was easy/doable 20 years ago. Seriously, sit down, shut up, and go back to whatever else you were doing. You sound like pretentious loser.

[@faelheavymetal]

Horse armor was clearly more important than that. Come on now.

[@perfectquimica3437]

@@faelheavymetal Do you realize how much time it takes to design horse amor and implement to the game and how much time it takes for multiple arenas and characters and so on. The arenas were scrapped. That's it. If they wanted to, they would have. They didn't.

[@StrayBardArt-offical]

Love these behind the scene vids - as someone who is an artist, it makes you appreciate the craft and what goes into the process

[@farrahroo]

so she returns! i've seen other videos done on cut/gutted content and it's just fascinating to me

[@Spewgo]

I think what we got was fine. I didnt need anymore of the Arena.

[@TheCantinaChannel]

that's another thing too, what if the version we got was better????

[@superslayerguy]

Yeah true could have just wound up being really repetitive and lame. Game is still a masterpiece and nothing can change that

[@Mephitinae]

They really couldn't afford a second disc? They totally knew Oblivion would be a massive success, the extra cost would have been negligible. Many games from the 2000s had multiple discs, even obscure ones. Imagine how much more content there could have been.

[@TheCantinaChannel]

All those games were pretty linear. Even LA Noire still had linear story progression. Imagine having to switch disc's every time you want to do a different quest or enter and leave a dungeon. That would have horrendous.

[@Mephitinae]

@@TheCantinaChannel Good point, but it was possible to install games on the Xbox 360, right? Or was the feature not available at the time?

[@ryanc9195]

I dream of an arena expansion mod. I even tried my hand at making it a couple times but the arena quest is coded completely differently than the regular linear quests. It's such a hot mess. But I love it anyway.

[@AG1k]

"I'm sorry I didn't know!"😂

[@immortalsnail-xd7zv]

She returns!

[@TheCantinaChannel]

I do!!!

[@romainvicta117]

Have you transitioned?

[@pisscvre69]

we call it achieving chim here

[@michaelcroff7097]

Not sure when you became regularly active on YT again but I am HERE FOR IT 😀

[@TheGrimjackfromCPT]

Would've been nice if there was a arena quest that started after reading the crumbled note saying that the redguard guy setting up the fights has a daughter and you'd be able to try to get them to connect or convince the daughter to leave

[@Legoless]

love the Battlespire outro

[@oathkeeperofoblivion972]

Is thet battlespire music at the end?

[@TheCantinaChannel]

you bet it is

[@oathkeeperofoblivion972]

@TheCantinaChannel battlespire had such a neat soundtrack and vibes. I just kinda wish it wasn't a somehow even more buggy version of vanilla daggerfall ._.

[@jakacresnar5855]

​@@oathkeeperofoblivion972 Battlespire is probably the most unique and sinister looking Elder Scrolls game. I wish someone would give it the Unity treatment Daggerfall got.

[@Lucknutxbl]

Funny thing is Oblivion on x360 actually has two copies of every bsa & oblivion.esm on the DVD, likely to help with load times since the game could seek to whichever copy was closest on the disc. AFAIK by the fallout games & skyrim they managed to improve/fix things to only need a single copy instead, if only they could have found that fix before OB release ;_;

[@TheCantinaChannel]

Oh god, I didn't even know this. Although I know for a fact if I mentioned this people would have seen it as more proof to call devs lazy and incompetent.

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

2:33 Skyrim had an arena quest line?

[@TheCantinaChannel]

it was supposed to. Not sure why it was cut but based on the looks of what's left it appears to be more of a side project that was cut before it really made it anywhere.

[@Enkarashaddam]

Because Godd willed it so

[@AwareWolfOnWheels]

I honestly think having an arena in every city wouldn't of made sense and works way better as a one location inside the capital city. Aside from the fact the entire arena quest line is ass.

[@westerlyyyy]

Question - couldn't they have released the additional Arena content as a DLC? Or maybe the remaining content was so miniscule it wasn't worth it?

[@TheCantinaChannel]

someone else mentioned this, and my guess is it's because they would need to leave all the arena meshes in which would still not be enough space. So that would mean saving a big empty plot of land for an arena that many players might not even get.

[@westerlyyyy]

@@TheCantinaChannel That makes a lot of sense!

[@Corpsman01]

I bought a toaster with Skyrim loaded on it!

[@Natelu-Sama]

a. im not sure that a game like oblivion (full of samey dungeons full of samey enemies) needs multiple arenas (singular rooms full of samey enemies) anyway (said with love, obviously) b. i hope they extended the CK reference counter in future versions to help avoid this. the only one ive really used is the new vegas version, the GECK, which AFAIK is a direct copy from FO3, and it seems... basically identical? to the oblivion one? obviously you can only track these things so far- an NPC that only exists in a test cell does still exist- but things like cell graphs would be super helpful. or at least externally recording this stuff lol c. forgor to comment this on your first out stream (and im now seeing youve posted a bunch and youtube just? hasnt shown me?? cool????) congrats on coming out, proud of you :)

[@TheCantinaChannel]

thank you!

[@ulyssesthepagan7873]

Did you find a coconut in all that code???

[@TheCantinaChannel]

i wish, i could make a whole 'nother video lol

[@pisscvre69]

i made a coconut in my modding it lol

[@UnknownG2000]

Hard agree.

[@bluegem8582]

Plus…..we already had the one arena that ultimately stayed, so axing just *most* of them probably still felt better, because we still got a form of it, in end Also, we don’t even know how quests would’ve been, maybe having so much “kill these guys in arena” quests would’ve put entire quest line in fighters guild level (I’ve not actually done FG yet, just know many don’t like it)

[@TheCantinaChannel]

not to mention we would have had less time with the blademaster Owyn, and that is a sad reality

[@Lavolpeverde]

Do a video about Morrowind, I miss that game so much

[@TheCantinaChannel]

don't worry i will eventually

[@contessa.adella]

A probable major reason to cut content is when the bugs are so many that it isn’t cost effective to waste time solving them. This is lazy developing, but in the end it is all about the money.

[@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger]

Because Howard rhymes with Coward! (I understand and respect technical limitations, but forever curse horse armor as the start of a downward trend in gaming culture. Todd Howard has drawn my ire, and no amount of consideration will stop me from placing immeasurable fault on his shoulders. Im happy with the Oblivion we got, but wish it could or would receive the full service it deserved)

[@Bauglir100]

You forgot to mute the audio for some of the footage you used.

[@TheCantinaChannel]

Which footage?

[@Bauglir100]

@@TheCantinaChannel Mostly the gameplay and behind the scenes footage. It happens all throughout the video.

[@TheCantinaChannel]

that was intentional

[@Bauglir100]

@@TheCantinaChannel Even during the parts where you're talking?

[@Sluglove]

Because they wanted to sacrifice the quality of their product for terrible voice acting :) multiple people who’ve worked on the game def confirmed that half of the disk space is taken up by the awful voice acting and I am dumbfounded bc they could’ve made a much better game it’s unbelievable

[@HumanityAsCode]

If you have to manually search for all referenced assets in a game you're probably doing something wrong...that said I think that's exactly the kind of stupid that Bethesda is. So that checks out.

[@SalusFuturistics]

The "No Space on Disk" is only so valid, when the Option of downloadable Patches and DLC already existed at that Time. It just sounds like a cheap Excuse

[@GuretoSefirosu]

Yet another case of ruining part (or all) of a great series to put it on an inferior system for a few extra bucks.

[@MrClonedzero]

You literally dont have all the details. They could have cut it for alot of reasons. You're making assumptions based on incomplete data, a fundamentally misguided venture, but hey clickbait right?

[@pisscvre69]

actually this is what was said from official sources basically lol, something along the lines of we cut all this stuff then forgot we had this other stuff we could have cut instead

[@chza1181]

He never said he had all the answers, this video was filled with more questions than answers that were mostly just maybes and what ifs. It was an interesting video and not a fundamentally misguided venture as you say because the comments are mostly positive meaning this video did its job in entertaining people. Thats why most of us are here right?

[@MrClonedzero]

@@chza1181 he put todd howard iwth "delete it" in the thumbnail dude. it's a lazy "ohhhh they deleted it for nefarious reasons todd howard is evil!" video without actually saying that. its lazy, bandwagon hate clickbait, and you're too stupid to realize that. How is that even entertaining btw? This trend of constant hate and over analyzing things for hatebait is sickening.

[@TheCantinaChannel]

when you didn't watch the video but want to be mad anyway

[@MrClonedzero]

@@TheCantinaChannel Just intentionally dumb vague speculation about incomplete data begging for attention and clicks, thats literally all the video is. Its pathetic dude. Seriously where am i wrong?