Why did China Turn away from Maoism? | History of China 1970-1988 Documentary 9/10

[@Felipe_XIV-XVI]

This is, easily, the best Modern History channel of them all.

[@Emel_unlegit]

Indeed but I would love a list of sources

[@BiggestCorvid]

It's my favorite channel about the consequences of imperialism that doesn't just tell me the version that I want to hear.

[@samdog166]

Nah it’s second behind ancient aliens

[@JabzyJoe]

On sources... I know many people usually put together a list of 7 or 8 sources per vid. But just a rough idea of how I do it. Make a timeline. Search for as much as I can on 1 chinese warlord for instance. Piece together the smallest little sentences from a jstor article, some paragraph from Google books, maybe a newspaper article etc. I dont use the entire source - just try to get some sort of general overview of the person. Or let's say deaths in a battle. That could be 10 random snippets I find here and there. By that point, the list of sources would be so insanely long that it would be ultimately useless for a KZbin video. I tend to try and avoid using a few history books to repeat some general narratives because i think it just leads to people repeating much of the same stuff. A lot of history books seem to focus on narratives, compelling personal traumas, or trying to create a huge wider meaning behind a series of chances, random events etc. So they'll talk about the determination and drive of Mao let's say, the inevitable rise of such and such in that period, while completely ignoring the situation in Sichuan and the warlords there. If there's anything specific you want more info on, let me know though.

[@BiggestCorvid]

@@JabzyJoe That's what it is? That makes so much sense. I look up a lot from your videos in particular because I can tell you use primary sources, but your explanation has really helped my understanding of how good history gets made. Avoiding textbooks especially.

[@asiauncovered]

I always find it interesting how Chiang Kai-shek still thought up until his death that Project National Glory would work. The idea that millions would rise up in support of Chiang, despite lacking sufficient manpower and resources is honestly kinda crazy. Nice video!

[@wuhaninstituteofvirology5226]

Actually, the KMT said that the international situation must improve first which has actually improved for the ROC as most Communist governments disappeared, but it hasn't improved enough for them.

[@stoneruler]

He didn't. Thats why it was never carried out.

[@deadbydaylight3168]

i think there would be good chance with the US's help since the mainland was in a pretty unstable state during the cultural revolution in 1965-67 when millions were starving and dying. in my opinion, the US and ROC pretty much lost all opportunity to rid communism on the mainland after that. sometimes i wonder if time could turn back, knowing how things are today, would the US go through with national glory.

[@mastermirror3888]

Not really. Initially Chiang were optimistic after the Great Leap Forward, believing mainland Chinese were frustrating towards CPC and ready to revolt, but he began to lost hope in 1965 when his naval forces was defeated by the communist 'fleet' consisting of only some small vessels twice. He began to realize that even communist China was in turmoil, its military forces were still formidable and KMT forces had no chance against it.

[@mastermirror3888]

@@deadbydaylight3168 Even during Cultural Revolution, communist China would still unite against external invasion. Sino-Soviet border conflict was the proof of this. Maybe with USA's help, ROC forces would be able to capture some territory, but in the end, even USA could not afford to conquer such large territory and population.

[@agonefire]

Jabzy you have become my favorite history channel. You cover minute details in a way that helps tell the larger narrative. I would gladly listen to you cover literally any historical time period

[@johnnywalker5068]

I like how the death of the General Secretary of Vietnam just deescalated tensions and opens up to alternate history.

[@ComedyJakob]

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[@DianeCooperTW]

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[@djackmanson]

Excellent stuff. A really important part of world history, that's not covered enough in popular media. I find it particularly interesting how the anti-Maoist successors around Deng handled the issue of Mao far more adroitly than Kruschev did Stalin. They never publicly kicked away that ladder they still stood on, even though they must have personally hated and resented Mao after facing his wrath.

[@watchman835]

One Child policy will be proven to be the greatest blunder of Deng’s political legacy.

[@Firmus777]

No, it won't.

[@jingyesiguxiang]

@@Firmus777 imagine the Chinese population tripled by now lmao

[@guppy719]

It went too far, but at the same time people drastically underrate the affects of child birth rates on per capita GDP growth.

[@santi2683]

It was sensible at the time, the issue with the policy is that it was extended for far longer than it needed to be

[@cyborgchicken3502]

​@@Firmus777 it already has, there are more men than women in China currently due to the trend of aborted female babies in favour of male babies because of the one child policy

[@InquisitorXarius]

I respect Deng Xiaoping in the Same way I respect Otto Van Bismarck. Both individuals I detest for their ideology and autocratic tendencies, and ambitions. But both were effective and foresightful (the latter when it was far too late in both cases, sadly). Deng predicted the extremely low probability of the so-called “Asian Century.” While Bismarck predicted the inevitability of the Twilight of the Industrial Era and the Dawn of the Machine Era that was the Great War.

[@wuhaninstituteofvirology5226]

DXP miscalculated when he invaded Vietnam though.

[@Elenrai]

​@@wuhaninstituteofvirology5226In fairness, at the time, it was a bit of a meme to fail invading Vietnam, kinda like the past version of modern day Afghanistan or an older version of the Balkans, some parts of the world should be left alone 😂

[@InquisitorXarius]

I agree with you both :)

[@InquisitorXarius]

I must admit I have a greater quantity of respect for Bismarck mostly because he committed less atrocities than DXP.

[@wuhaninstituteofvirology5226]

@@Elenrai But, in CH it's unacceptable because CH controlled Vietnam for more than 1000 years; therefore, the CCP declared victory anyway.

[@astridscitadel9931]

I was literally just wishing for a new Jabzy drop! Thanks for your work.

[@Jesse_Dawg]

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[@Jambuki888]

It would be good to get some objective analysis on why some scholars peg the death count of the cultural revolution at around 3-5million while other sources go from 20-100million. That extreme range must be investigated for those who are intellectually honest.

[@C21H30O2]

Funny how the ones who claim 3-5 mill are always commies themselves 🤔

[@scottdurbin9841]

Nobody with a brain thinks 20 million people died in the Cultural Revolution

[@trashedhead]

Very interesting as always, loving the China series!

[@Game_Hero]

Madam Mao : "I don't like you" *Proceed to have your children assassinated* *Refuses to elaborate* *Leaves*

[@lolmenx4]

Wake up honey,new China video from Jabzy

[@ak-s8379]

so happy about arrows or some indication of where/who you're talking about!!

[@urmwhynot]

I have asd and really appreciate you don't put emotional music in the background of your videos

[@joaopedro82465]

asd?

[@talatq719]

@@joaopedro82465 autism. literally. they have sensory issues so for his example, emotional music that people typically would feel somewhat moved by can become really overpowering for autistic people

[@Nonviableaccount]

If you can get bullied by background music you have bigger problems than autism.

[@Т1000-м1и]

Its when you dream "how much could be accomplished if a format went just a bit further" and find a channel that did exactly that

[@jingyesiguxiang]

One of the most objective videos about Chinese modern history ever seen on KZbin, thanks. But before the 1970s the Chinese Han ethic has already surpassed any other minor ethics in Xinjiang taking 40% of the population when the second national population census was conducted.

[@bennelong8451]

The soviets denounced Stalin while the Chinese didn’t do it with Mao.

[@alberthoffman5297]

probably since they realized that russia made a big mistake doing so

[@tavla123]

yes they did. they denounced mao. And this denouncement is just propaganda. Even the cia admitted that under stalin there was collective leadership.

[@SorceressWitch]

Khrushchev denounced Stalin and the cult of personality so he could bring in his reforms. However when he did this, it lead to the split of the international communist movement. In China they saw the problems of this but also that Mao was the founder of the PRC, this would be like denouncing Lenin in the USSR. What Deng did instead was criticise Mao by saying he was 70% good and 30% bad. This was they're not erasing their own history like the USSR did. In communist circles Khrushchev is despised while Deng Xiaoping gets praised except for Maoists who see Deng as another Khrushchev but other MLs see Deng as saving china.

[@山有木兮木有枝-s7x]

If Deng Xiaoping dared to denounce Mao Zedong as Khrushchev denounced Stalin, the Chinese would be the first to overthrow the Communist Party under Deng Xiaoping. To this day, there are still many Maoists in China who do not recognize the current Communist Party, and more and more people question the capitalist nature of the Chinese Communist Party

[@chikamazri5817]

​@@SorceressWitch Deng was not a good guy by any means in eyes of ML, he is the one who ordered the PLA to "clean the Tiananmen Square"(I don't get it why almost nobody in the west accuses him for that tragedy, he made CCP being so authoritarian), he is the definition of Revisionist in eyes of many communists

[@benjaminsimpson830]

Stellar vid. Jabzy you are top notch

[@scarletcrusade77]

Best series for history on Yt

[@alexlo7708]

China had an agreement with UK on preserving HK status and law then being applied at the time 80' era. Any newer law further promulgated afterward would not be recognised without endorse by both. And that came UK forcibly modifed HK law oneside in order to ploy a turmoil in the future.

[@sebastienhardinger4149]

This is an awesome series man

[@diegoyanesholtz212]

East Germany is in the Soviet sphere

[@Elenrai]

Dammit now I cannot unsee it

[@JabzyJoe]

Tbh. The base map is of modern day borders and whenever I do the soviet and their sphere I always miss something. For instance the Caucasus.

[@vasiliskaratsiwlis1574]

Jabzy When will come the last episode of history of China ?? I want to rewatch all of them together

[@JabzyJoe]

Should be in a couple days

[@justsomeguywholikesdavidbo1085]

@@JabzyJoeThanks for all the great great content throughout the years. This channel has only ever been better and better.

[@skiddytrippy7189]

3:47 at least the Chinese domestic discourse goes that during the 100 year of humiliation Russia had taken around 5.88 million square kilometer of Chinese land, and the soviet had promised to give them back upon China's People republic's founding in 1949, but up to this time the Soviet union had not given back any of the promised land so tensions flared up.

[@ansonang7810]

Like French Revolution it was past that era of radicalism.

[@wingkeungkong415]

Every revolution is just a copycat of France revolution

[@TheKeithvidz]

7:35 Am deeply interested in foreign leaders, a guide for what my Trinidad deserves as quality LEADERSHIP. Murray MacLehose is one of them men despite being a britisher. Adding to my list. Deepest thanks Jabzy😊

[@Avaricumstudios]

China is quite interesting and their communism was different from the Soviet...mainly because the Chinese learn from their mistakes....Mao explicitly warned Pol Pot of what would happen if he went ahead with his collectivisation plan (mao had learned from the great Chinese famine) but Pol Pot just didn't listen

[@cyborgchicken3502]

Mao didn't learn anything because he kept making more and more mistakes, if he actually learned from the Great Famine, he would've made reforms to build the economy like how Deng did... But instead he decided to cause more problems by starting the Cultural Revolution... Mao was not a good leader

[@wingkeungkong415]

​@@cyborgchicken3502he is a very good politician Even 60 years later The democratic people in Hong Kong still use his method Use University red guard to fight the Hong Kong Government

[@thrwwccnt5845]

what is the name of the music you use in the background?

[@garrettallen7427]

25:51 you know, the thought that the over population crisis would be fabricated never crossed my mind, yet when you Jabzy explained it, it made so much sense! And now, fabricated or not, they are facing the real threat of depopulation, all because of there awful policies, what a shame.

[@木子李-g4i]

the over population crisis？

[@garrettallen7427]

@@木子李-g4i yeah, kinda ironic if you think about it…

[@cyborgchicken3502]

​@@garrettallen7427 China does have one of the largest populations on Earth next to India, but I think it's largely a result of all the regions they absorbed into their sphere like Tibet, Manchuria and Mongolia.... However the population boom existed long before the current time, during the mid 1800s in the Qing Dynasty is when they experienced a massive population increase the most I believe... Now I think the main problem is that there are too many men and not enough women due to the trend of favouring male children over female children in China, and how during the One Child policy years, mostly female babies were being aborted

[@HarvestStore]

Great video.

[@Game_Hero]

"African Hitler isn't real, he can't hurt you!" African Hitler : 0:15

[@armchairwarrior963]

Before the Chinese civil war Han population of Xinjiang was over 50% but after the fall of the Qing. The Muslims wars displace majority of Han out of the area. The area was contest between Turkic Muslims vs Native Chinese Hui Muslims(They were Chinese converts along time ago, when China lost central asia). Han Chinese were pushed out.

[@木子李-g4i]

Maoism is not individualism

[@alfaeco15]

For Mao yes. He was the individual. The rest just clay for him to model or destroy at will.

[@木子李-g4i]

@@alfaeco15 No,Mao was the individual. But Maoism not

[@Game_Hero]

@@木子李-g4i The individualism to kill whoever you don't like as long as you have a red book by your side.

[@木子李-g4i]

@@Game_Hero your understanding is one-sided

[@Game_Hero]

@@木子李-g4i sorry to offend your Dear Leader, the dead and refugees speak for themselves

[@Time4View]

The USA funded them. Communist China is the test model for those that support them.

[@anappropriatehandle]

please mention how the one child policy only applied to Han chinese. thats a really important point for affirmative action in china

[@Jambuki888]

if he does that then he risks losing traffic from all the happy china haters

[@cathuria5818]

That's bullshit lmao

[@anappropriatehandle]

@cathuria5818 google is free man, there is no need to be ignorant

[@anappropriatehandle]

@@Jambuki888 I've noticed a lot of these issues in the videos

[@vorynrosethorn903]

That only makes it an even stupider policy.

[@Iris-gr1rn]

Please do a history of Taiwan

[@emperorshowa8842]

History of Taiwan during Japanese rule

[@darkrieshunter6670]

Doesn’t matter what the color the cat is as long as it catch rats

[@asuka4ever1979]

You should now make a video about "How did China resume to Maoism under Xi?".

[@ydk1k253]

20:48 TNO Speer's Gang of Four reference?

[@krazownik3139]

It's the other way around

[@ydk1k253]

​@@krazownik3139I'm just joking 😂

[@anguscovoflyer95]

How come you called the cultural revolution the glorious revolution?

[@JabzyJoe]

Did I? Where abouts?

[@DanielGalimidi]

@@JabzyJoe Right at the beginning of this video, at 0:02. You said "in the 1960s, China was in turmoil during the Glorious Revolution".

[@anguscovoflyer95]

@@DanielGalimidi and at other points too

[@vorynrosethorn903]

He's getting it mixed up, the glorious revolution was a dynastic coup in Stuart Britain which overthrew King James II and replaced him with his daughter Mary and her husband William of Orange.

[@JabzyJoe]

@@anguscovoflyer95 really?! Where else?

[@Time4View]

Lei’s Real Talk recently released a KZbin video about why Mao started border wars...

[@kidcharlemange9188]

This is what I’m talking about this channel is the shit

[@bt9087]

Lol china was as bad as soviet and US at own time stirring up civil wars in 3rd work nations and etc etc.. And they say only usa and soviet does this. Lol

[@powergrassp7769]

China has always been like this.Not onlyThe CCP is not only de-maoist but also de-communist.That's how China built its empire.

[@Sean-xc2so]

Hey Jabzy, Great work! I was wondering if you could make some documentary on the current russian government? What do they want, or what they strive to? Their ideals?

[@TheVineOfChristLives]

They exported Maoism as they knew it would weaken those nations.

[@morisan42]

If they thought that they wouldn't have been following it themselves lol

[@Jambuki888]

right...like they had the time/energy to do that given the actual circumstances at the time...

[@徐赫阳-j4c]

If Mao was really useless, there wouldn't be so many people in China today who still miss him. Overall, Mao is a good man. In his time, China went from a poor agricultural country to an industrial country capable of producing nuclear weapons, all in Mao's time, and the famine was caused by China's inability to produce fertilizers and pesticides. Great changes have taken place after the domestication of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. China has not won a single victory since the Opium War in 1840. But China's defeat of the United States in North Korea under Mao, and Mao's subsequent diplomatic breakthroughs and policies laid the groundwork for China's economic reform, can be found in the documents. More than a decade ago, many people vilified Mao on the Internet, but now China is once again facing a dilemma. The Chinese people miss Mao and miss the equality of all people in the Mao era. Today, some people compare China's young people to clowns, but Mao once said that China's young people are the morning sun, Chinese people are not all politicians, but we still know who is good to us.

[@Stigmezz]

Cope

[@voicelessglottalfricative6567]

​@@StigmezzGreat argument

[@Maus_Indahaus]

Imagine if China attacks Taiwan and now you need to change all your videos to accommodate part 11

[@Firmus777]

Interesting video, however Deng never turned away from Maoism. Deng was one of the greatest Marxists of all time and the truest follower of Mao. He got rid of the corrupting influence of Jiang Qing and the Gang of Four. The Communist Party of China continued venerating Mao and China through Deng's leadership and Marxism became a superpower on the world stage eliminated absolute poverty domestically.

[@tesserae-c2y]

Yeah, so Marxist that he implemented capitalist reforms which resulted in a Marxist country with thousands of billionaires. Which part of that is Marxist? State capitalist seems to be a more apt description.

[@redzeitgeist854]

A rather bold claim, on what sources did you based your claims that Deng Xiaoping was a Pragmatical Maoist? And also venerating Mao is more leaning towards optics and possibly even keeping the mask on

[@Firmus777]

@@redzeitgeist854 There's no mask to keep, it's the reality. And saying he was a pragmatic marxist is superfluous. The claim that he was not marxist is based on a very naive understanding of marxism as just another utopian socialist ideology wanting to make everyone equal.

[@redzeitgeist854]

@@Firmus777 Okay if that's what you personally think and since Marxian perspective implemented certain things according to the material/economic conditions of that current timeframe. But why do you personally think that the multiple reforms under Deng was wholly suited to the material conditions of said era and not really just a ploy in order to revised the current doctrine of the CCP at that time which was uphold by the Gang of Four?

[@Firmus777]

@@redzeitgeist854 Would that really make a difference?

[@Youtuber-xs9cp]

Black panther Hey Newton also went to China.

[@ahronthegreat]

Say what u want about dong he made china the power it is today he was extremely successful in his plan

[@petefluffy7420]

Are Pakistan, Algeria and Ghana thought of as new countries when they are as old as the hills?

[@rhoetusochten4211]

The political entities, that is: the countries of Pakistan, Algeria, and Ghana, only came about post WWII. They were made from cultural, ethnic, and religious groups that are older, but those are not synonymous with the modern states.

[@bluefanofeverything4329]

Deng Xiaoping is probably the only Chinese Communist leader that I respect. Jabzy, are you gonna continue this China series until today?

[@Jason-gg4lm]

Not sure "survive" is how I would describe it 😂

[@54032Zepol]

The real question is how did china survive maos communism

[@ShadowPhoenixMaximus]

It didn't. Pre-Communist China was destroyed when the Red Guard destroyed the "4 Olds" (Old Ideas, Old Culture, Old Customs, and Old Habits). The CCP only started pulling back into China's history when they needed foreign money (particularly from western tourists). China today is theme park China under the CCP.

[@Pfsif]

The dead did not.

[@erlingqiericyice1977]

China dead every 300 years. the newest edition is CCP China.

[@rhoetusochten4211]

By having a massive population that even he couldn't kill off.

[@thelazy0ne]

What do nookular weapons do!? They destroy the nookie?

[@henrykom7019]

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[@pamier997]

nice

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No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@stinkystink9830]

Only thing I dont like about this guy is "nookyaler power"

[@JabzyJoe]

And that's not how you spell it?

[@ReviveHF]

Deng Xiao Ping in the nutshell : If things broken , fix it. If things are not broke, don't fix it.

[@anesupasipanodya]

It's pronounced ni-e-rere not naierere

[@friendly_ricefarmer6526]

Aserbaidschan, Georgian and Armenian are not on map also Vietnam not United. Pls fix

[@JabzyJoe]

Vietnam wasn't United at the time. Caucasus was a bugger up though.

[@friendly_ricefarmer6526]

@@JabzyJoe thanks for answerung love ya content. Mistakes can jappen i just wanted to tell. Keep going👍

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Taiwan better resume their mothballed nuclear weapons program if they wish to stay independent. Because the USA is in the middle of a strategic retreat from the Pacific, especially with the moving of leading edge semiconductor device fabrication in-house.

[@jnc30001]

Taiwan has to much of an hold on the micro processor industry for the US to not keep the Navy in that area

[@sayidadam3728]

Usa know taiwan are on grey area. They want to check china with pretend game. Every body know. China not go anywhere to attack taiwan 20-25 years in the future.

[@russelfang7434]

You mean Taiwan should get its independence by starting World War III?

[@tesserae-c2y]

Uhm no. The United States is not going anywhere. Its in it's interest to curtail China's rise, so the US isn't retreating anytime soon.

[@noahbarnhartandit2365]

China is currently in an economic crisis where their Yuan is deflating, it's not in a position to start such a conflict without drastic consequences. China saw how bad Russia has been sanctioned and punished by the majority of the world for its imperialist actions, the LAST thing it needs is for all these foreign nations to start using India or the Philippines as their main manufacturing hubs.

[@ChenLinYu323]

Because mao dead, the only reason

[@六爷-r7o]

The host is naive. China never turned away from Maoism.

[@Relcilisity_Official]

0:17 💀

[@jdclarke47]

How did it survive? Beheading, torcher, starvation, and brutal beatings. That's how.

[@rubylaser8601]

Xi Jinping is going back to Maoism.

[@wingkeungkong415]

It is impossible He just Get rid of the corrupt officials

[@niuchajianfa6222]

The Soviet ambushed the Chinese in Xinjiang not the other way around.....get your facts straight !

[@enthusiasticgrog465]

Um, the Black Panthers were actually locally based anarchists.

[@ansonang7810]

Unlike Soviet Union and Yugoslavia China is 1 nation. The people have almost same culture, race, language, national interest. The USSR and Yugoslavia are Multinational nations . So it's multicultural, multi ethnical or racial, different national interest, languages and identities. Like an agreement hypothetical example with Vietnam , Myanmar, Laos , Cambodia. That the USA fears but didn't happen. So if one nation wants out like Brexit they can do so. But in the USSR Russia the biggest contributor of USSR wants out like 60% share holder wants out of the corporation. With foreign intervention and crisis Boris Yelstin Russia wants out of the USSR declared war on USSR. Russian soldiers choosing Russian nation not the Union of nations USSR. Many nation like Estonia, Poland also wanted out. Gorbichev had no choice but to avoid civil war disbanded officially the Soviet Union. In China , Cuba , Libya foreign intervention and crisis materialized like Tiananmen Square but the people had no interest in dissolving because their already 1nation. Unless Mongolia , Vietnam joined CCP then we would see a disbanding if they prompted out because of Tiananmen Square. Even after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Some nation still cling to the Soviet style rulership and socialism like Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan until they're pressured to forget it. I think Transnistria still adopts Soviet style government.

[@rhoetusochten4211]

The Tibetans, Uighurs, and Mongols might disagree...

[@cathuria5818]

A small mistake you seem to make: you seem to refer to the chinese as human. Its a common enough mistake

[@vorynrosethorn903]

Given the civilisational level of the Chinese what does that make of the other non-Europeans.

[@tonythvch3500]

The reptilians here in the west must be chopped liver then?

[@cathuria5818]

@@vorynrosethorn903 current civilization? they're nothing, they have no history at this point, no culture

[@cathuria5818]

@@vorynrosethorn903 oh sorry, I misread, it makes them less

[@tesserae-c2y]

What the hell is this comment?

[@zhcultivator]

Great video