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[@CrossExamined]

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[@KayleePrince-we5pb]

Frank Turek: *The canaanites deserve to die for sacrificing their children on altars on orders of their god* Also Frank Turek: *It wasn't wrong for Israelites to murder these children because its happened on their gods orders* Also Frank Turek: *It was perfectly acceptable for Abraham to sacrifice his child on an altar to his god* Also Frank Turek: *Its perfectly acceptable for Israelites to stone their own kids to death because their god said to*

[@keyboardactivist23]

The nation of Israel in the old testament are like baby. God is their parents he protected them and guide them with law and discipline. Imagine yourself as a parents if anyone try to teach or do wrong to a baby. I will make that person suffers for his bad influence over my child.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@keyboardactivist23 Isaiah 9.14-15, describes Israel as the four summer constellations of Leo, Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio.

[@thierry860]

You missed the 5th point : doing crime and getting away because you say that your Sky Daddywill judge you and not the human on earth.

[@Tabletofhumanhearts]

Came to Christ without the aid of man, and I wasn’t even seeking Jesus when I went from atheist to agnostic to finally monotheistic with Christ Jesus. The Old Testament is my favorite, particularly Leviticus. But when I read the Old Testament, I have seen so much of the LORD calling people to repent, showing mercy, saving, etc. He is exactly the same as He is on the NT. God has saved and will always save until that Great and Dreadful day of the LORD. I think the issue, other than what Romans says about us being haters of God, is that if you don’t realize the own darkness of your own heart, you will not be able to see the righteous judgment of God in the correct light. Thank you for this video, brother! May the LORD keep us all who have called upon His Name until the day of Jesus Christ. To any agnostic or atheist who may read this, don’t come here trying to justify your anger or unbelief. If you seek for the truth, don’t deny it just because it offends you. Search for yourself and don’t take what man says as the final verdict.

[@ASMRA33]

My journey is somewhat similar. God Bless you and thanks for sharing this:)

[@brianpeterson8908]

Came to Christ without the aid of man, and I wasn’t even seeking Jesus when I went from atheist to agnostic to finally monotheistic with Christ Jesus. Where is the site you frauds copy and past this 💩from? And why is it you have to constantly lie to promote your imaginary sky fairy?

[@michaelreed6603]

​@@sterlingfallsproductions3930The gospel is an inheritance. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Christians are commanded to preach the Word of God. The only people who obey God's commands are the ones He draws to Himself through Christ. God intentionally prevents people from understanding the Word of God to eliminate anyone from redirecting His glory to anything else but Him. This is directly from the Word of God.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Christianity is false. My channel debunks Christianity.

[@Coronaboii88]

Amen brother 🙏🏽

[@festushaggen2563]

God can’t do anything right for the atheist. If He punishes, He’s a monster. If He doesn’t punish, He doesn’t care. These self serving accusations are meant to justify unbelief and most who use them will hang onto them for dear life to do just that. They’re also accusing one they say doesn’t exist so there’s that ironic contradiction as well.

[@lamasabachthani2132]

When god of the old testament slaughtered babies, children, old people, women, men, animals... where was the eternal Jesus, god of love and prince of peace!!!?

[@CaptainFantastic222]

Atheists are referring to the god as depicted in the Bible. You are correct atheists don’t believe in a god or gods

[@jasonnoble7302]

He could have created a world with free will and people who always choose the good.

[@lamasabachthani2132]

Imagine you are walking alongside your friend on a motorcycle. Then something happened and her phone nearly fell. What are you doing ? Of course, you will hurry to pick it up to prevent it from falling. Your friend will thank you very much and surely. So far everything is good. Something similar happened with a good man named Uzza...while the ark was on the bulls, the bulls raged and the ark nearly fell. Uzza took it easy and saved the ark from falling. And what has the Lord, the god of Christians, done!? He puts him to death as punishment for this beautiful act !!!!!!!! Why!? What!? Please tell me!!! The question is only for friends who believe in this book, the bible. 2Samuel 6:6 And they came to the threshing-floor of Nacon, and Uzza stretched out his hand to the ark of God and took it, because the oxen had stumbled. 2Samuel 6:7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and God smote him there for his trespass; and he died there, by the ark of God. 2Samuel 6:8 So David was very angry because the LORD had made a breach in the person of Uzza; and he called that place by the name of Pérets-Uzza, which has stuck with him to this day.

[@lamasabachthani2132]

The merciful god of love who, because he loved the world so much that he sacrificed his own and only son to save it, sent, when he had great love for the world, two fierce bears to 42 little children who shredded them all into small pieces only because they said to Elisha: “Get up, baldhead! Get on, baldhead! (2Kings 2:23-24). The merciful god of love who because he loved the world so much that he sacrificed his own and only son to save it, ordered Hosea, at the time when he had great love for the world, to 'go and slaughter the little children, and cleave the bellies of the pregnant women of Samaria (and even the fetuses could not escape the bounty of our GOD)... (Hosea 13:16).

[@firingallcylinders2949]

If God wiped out all the wicked the whole earth would be vacant.

[@daddada2984]

Not all human are wicked, but human has the ability to be wicked. Remember human are created in God's image. In term wicked, people that is proud in doing immoral or sinfulness.

[@georgehilario3544]

@@daddada2984 not every human is wicked 😂😂😂😂😂 wow you don’t even know yourself !!

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@daddada2984 We are all made in the image of Jupiter.

[@daddada2984]

@Replays is Job wicked? Wicked interms of person is volatile, unpredictable, frightening, and destructive?

[@daddada2984]

@@georgehilario3544 is noad wicked? How about babies?

[@Scorpion-my3dv]

Isaiah 33:22 For the Lord is our judge; the Lord is our lawgiver; the Lord is our king; he will save us. Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Isaiah 33. Winter spoils, but is not spoiled; ceasing to spoil (ending), it is spoiled, i.e., the provisions left are carried into the next season (v. 1). It is spring, hence, O Lord (Jahveh), be gracious and give us a good crop, for this alone is our salvation in time of trouble - in winter (v. 2). "At the noise of the tumult (the confusion of Babel) the people fled;" at the lifting up of thyself (the Sun going into the upper hemisphere) the nations were scattered - got out of the ark (v. 3). Your spoil (Joseph's bones = the remains of the winter stores) shall be gathered into a small space (v. 4). Behold, the Lord (Sun) is exalted (in Aries), he dwelleth on high (in the summer hemisphere); he hath filled (in time past) Zion (winter) with judgment and righteousness. Wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times (the spring) and thy salvation. The fear of the Lord (Jahveh) is his (Judah's) treasure, i.e., the position of the Earth as regards the Sun brings the crops (v. 6). But again "behold" their valiant ones (erellem * = the lion or summer rams = Aries during the summer months) shall cry without (i.e., during winter); the ambassadors of peace (the summer months just ended) shall weep bitterly, - the rainy season will next come on (v. 7). The highways now lie waste (Earth in winter), the wayfaring man (the Sun) ceaseth (his labor); for he hath broken the covenant (gone below the equator), he hath despised the cities (summer months), he regardeth no man (v. 8). The Earth mourneth and languisheth, and Lebanon is ashamed; Sharon (plain) is like a wilderness (winter), and Bashan and Carmel (spring and summer) shake off their fruits, i.e., are past (v. 9). Now will I (the Sun) rise, saith the Lord; now will I be exalted (Sun in Aries); now will I lift myself up. Ye (Lebanon and Sharon) may conceive chaff and bring forth straw; for thus was your curse (Gen. 3.17, 18). You are ever devoured by your own breath, - winter consumes the summer crops. The sinners and hypocrites of Zion (winter) are afraid, because they dwell with the devouring fire (v. 14). But he that walketh uprightly shall dwell on high, in summer, and bread (harvest) shall be given him (v. 16). Thine (Christ's or the Messiah's) eyes shall see the king (the Sun) in his beauty in summer, and the land that is far off (v. 17). Thy heart shall meditate terror (winter). Where is the scribe? -the end of the year. Where is the "weigher" = Libra, As the Sun enters Aries, Earth enters Libra, and spring begins. Here thou shalt not see a fierce people, etc. (v. 19). After summer look upon Zion (winter solstice), the city of our solemnities, wherein we celebrate Christmas, or Christ's birth. Again, thou shalt see Jerusalem (peace - summer) a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down (v. 20). But this * "The word erellam, which we translate valiant ones, is very difficult; no man knows what it means,"- Clarke, in loco. Some MSS. read erellim. The true reading, doubtless, is arielim= Lion-rams. In this I am supported by Fuerst, Heb. Lex., p. 148. None are so blind as they who won't see! + Or the sending forth of Christ, or the Sun. Jerusalem, this summer, will be a place of broad rivers, where no ship shall float. Noah's scow can never navigate here. It belongs to the winter hemisphere. The Lord (summer Sun) is our judge, law-giver and king. Thy tacklings are loosed, winter is past and its spoil (what is left of its store) is divided among the lame (the people being usually crippled, i.e., short of provisions just before harvest). At the spring equinox, the days and nights being equal, the sins or iniquities of the people are forgiven.

[@helpmaboabb]

Groan... one of these tiresome peope who think just quoting a verse from the bible somehow advances the discussion. Try harder, please.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@helpmaboabb Jupiter works in mysterious ways. See Isaiah 47.3, where he comes out of winter, not as a man (barren earth) but as a woman (nurture).

[@Scorpion-my3dv]

@@helpmaboabb if you don't like it, don't read it

[@Scorpion-my3dv]

@@harveywabbit9541 Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction. 1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good.

[@daddada2984]

To God be the glory.

[@lamasabachthani2132]

When god of the old testament slaughtered babies, children, old people, women, men, animals... where was the eternal Jesus, god of love and prince of peace!!!?

[@lamasabachthani2132]

The merciful god of love who, because he loved the world so much that he sacrificed his own and only son to save it, decided, when he had so much love for the world, to take revenge people of Amelek by giving the order to Saul through Samuel to commit a horrible genocide against not the real culprits who attacked, more than 4 centuries ago, the Israelis but against the innocent people who have nothing to do with what their guilty ancestors did ... Thus, in the Christian bible, we read: "Thus says the Lord of hosts: I REMEMBER (he sometimes forgot … it was a long forgetting!!!) of what Amalek did to Israel, when he closed the way to them on their way out of Egypt. Go now, smite Amalek, and dedicate by interdict all that belongs to him; thou shalt not spare him, and thou shalt kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys. (1Samuel 15:2-3) But why this AVENGER GOOD GOD also ordered the death of these poor animals ... donkeys, camels, sheep, oxen ... !!!!? Did their ancestors also participate in the crimes!!!? And babies and children ... !!!!

[@daddada2984]

@@lamasabachthani2132 on your 1st comment. Yes, because Jesus just transferred the dead to their final location. In heaven of the worthy, & hell for the unworthy. Babies are safe.. they all belong to heaven. Animal... God has plan to them. God is love, peace & justice, God gives grace.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Justice is in Christ alone. Romans 10:9-10💝 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11 👑

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@lamasabachthani2132 Israel, of the bible, is the four constellations of Leo, Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio (Isaiah 9.14-15). The noble/royal one is the Lion (Leo) and the lying tail is the scorpion (Scorpio).

[@devstev380]

Thank you Jesus for saving a wretched person like me

[@leonalefevre6611]

2:01 “Those are judgments based off of people have sinned” If God is a judge, why wouldn’t he judge a criminal?

[@dannywilliamson3340]

All crimes of the unsaved WILL be judged eventually.

[@healingthroughchrist1988]

@@reality1958 I see it as an act of mercy. If God had spared the babies, they would have attempted revenge when they grew up and died anyway. And possibly carried on the traditions of their family and had kids of their own by the time they sought revenge. It would be a never-ending cycle. It's an act of mercy because the babies will go to Heaven. But if they grew up and sought revenge and died, they would not go to Heaven. God knows something that we don't know. We also see God sending Jonah to preach in Ninevah. And Ninevah repented and turned to God. God knew Ninevah would repent. This proves that God only poured out judgment on people he knew wouldn't repent. It's also about reaping what you sow.

[@IronCavalier]

@@healingthroughchrist1988 ❤👍🏼 Which goes along with Frank’s idea of we just move from one place to another. As a God of mercy he knew where the children would go.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@tiphotisted]

@@healingthroughchrist1988 "This proves that God only poured out judgment on people he knew wouldn't repent" Except that as a tri omni god he should know that would still happen today with most babies growing up to become non christians; so wouldn't he keep that up till today? That isn't happening. Or better yet, why have those people be born at all if god knows they would be wicked and needed cleansing at the end of their lifespan anyways? It also brings up an interesting point about abortions. You'd think christians would be the largest advocates for abortions since most of them believe the bible, and the bible mentions that most people would go to hell. So why wouldn't they be trying to force abortions then?

[@cisuminocisumino3250]

"Why did God call for violence in the old testament." To Punish and judge the wicked. God is love, but he is terror to those who are wicked.

[@arniekando6846]

Yip, as simple as that....

[@lamasabachthani2132]

The Bible is the only sacred book in the world that commands, under the order of its god of love himself, the slaughter of children, babies, and even fetuses!!! The Omniscient and GOOD GOD of the Bible who has a heart full of love and compassion HAS REMEMBERED (he sometimes forgets), after more than 400 years of forgetting what men of 'Amalek to the indulgent Israelis (That god said, “I REMEMBER what Amalek did to Israel”)!!! And this Merciful and GOOD GOD, therefore, decided to take revenge by ordering Saul through Samuel to commit a horrible genocide against not the real culprits who attacked the Israelis more than 4 centuries ago but against innocent people who have nothing to do with what their guilty ancestors did... Thus, in the Bible, “Thus says the Lord of hosts: I REMEMBER what Amalek did to Israel when he closed the way to them when they came out of Egypt. Go now, smite Amalek, and dedicate by interdict all that belongs to him; thou shalt not spare him, and thou shalt kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels, and donkeys. (1Samuel 15:2-3) But why this AVENGER GOOD GOD also ordered the death of these poor animals ... donkeys, camels, sheep, oxen ... !!!!? Did their ancestors also participate in the crimes!!!? And babies and children, and even women and men and old people...!!!! It was the Merciful and GOOD GOD who was solely responsible for this murderous genocide for the beautiful eyes of the Israelis!!! And it was this same GOD who ordered the slaughter of about 50,700 people who committed a very great crime: the crime of looking into a simple wooden box, an ark… (1Samuel 6:19) And it was that same GOD again who sent two ferocious bears to tear 42 little boys to pieces who only said to Elisha, “Get up, baldhead! Get on, baldhead! … (2Kings 2:23-24) And it was that GOOD GOD who told Hosea to slaughter the little children, and to cleave the bellies of the pregnant women of Samaria (and even the fetuses could not escape the goodness of our GOOD GOD)… ( Hosea 13:16) (…) (IN ALL THIS BLOODBATH, where was Jesus!!!? Wasn't Jesus and the father ONE and from the beginning!!!?) Obviously, Jesus was this GOOD AVENGER GOD since he and the father, as the bible says and Christians always repeat, are ONE and were from the beginning and the father was in Jesus and Jesus was in the father ... and the god of the old testament was none other than the god of the new testament.

[@lamasabachthani2132]

Imagine you are walking alongside your friend on a motorcycle. Then something happened and her phone nearly fell. What are you doing ? Of course, you will hurry to pick it up to prevent it from falling. Your friend will thank you very much and surely. So far everything is good. Something similar happened with a good man named Uzza...while the ark was on the bulls, the bulls raged and the ark nearly fell. Uzza took it easy and saved the ark from falling. And what has the Lord, the god of Christians, done!? He puts him to death as punishment for this beautiful act !!!!!!!! Why!? What!? Please tell me!!! The question is only for friends who believe in this book, the bible. 2Samuel 6:6 And they came to the threshing-floor of Nacon, and Uzza stretched out his hand to the ark of God and took it, because the oxen had stumbled. 2Samuel 6:7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and God smote him there for his trespass; and he died there, by the ark of God. 2Samuel 6:8 So David was very angry because the LORD had made a breach in the person of Uzza; and he called that place by the name of Pérets-Uzza, which has stuck with him to this day.

[@cisuminocisumino3250]

@@lamasabachthani2132 yes, he loves those babies enough to take them to heaven filled with absolute joy and happiness rather than leaving them in the hands of pagan tribes that will abuse them in the name of idols. Secondly God was being patient with them, he wasn't short of memory. That's why the scripture says he waited until their sin reached its full measure, he was giving them a chance to repent. look at the city of Nineveh, they repented and God withheld Judgement. if they had obeyed Gods warnings, the judgement of God wouldn't have fallen upon them. Do not be deceived, wickedness will be punished, and it doesn't matter how much you cry about it. God is Judge and he will implement judgement swiftly, by the way, another judgement is on the way, so rather than worrying about God's moral compass I urge you to repent of your sins, thank you and good day brother.

[@lamasabachthani2132]

@@cisuminocisumino3250 And it was this same god who created the rainbow to remember. Indeed, he said in the Bible: "I have placed my bow in the clouds, and it will serve as a sign of covenant between me and the earth." When I shall have gathered clouds above the earth, the arc will appear in the cloud; and I WILL REMEMBER my covenant between me and you, and all living creatures, of all flesh, and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. [Genesis 9:13-15]

[@lydiat7908]

There is a good quote: „If I was almighty, I would stop all the suffering!! but if I was God and had His omniscience, I would probably leave it like that.“

[@boomtothesooner7426]

For the same reason He calls for it in the book of Revelation. He's sick of the evil on abomination levels. You know...like giving sex changes to children who clearly cannot consent, which is like a double abomination sin...

[@thierry860]

Your book advocates for slavery, incest and rape. Don't pretend to be a decent person.

[@BravadoRaps]

great video! love how short, sweet and to the point these answers are. All praise to The Most High God!

[@jasonnoble7302]

What answer ? His answer is nonsense

[@BravadoRaps]

@@jasonnoble7302 Which particular part of the response would you consider "nonsense"?

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@BravadoRaps The part where he straw man’s the objection. The objection is God could have created a better world in the first place. An all knowing all powerful all good creator would not create a world where evil exists. It goes against Gods character to create free will beings knowing evil will come from it. Frank changes the argument into something he can defend against It’s absolutely ridiculous

[@rebeccausher4753]

@@jasonnoble7302, that is your opinion. God says that His ways aren’t our ways and His thoughts aren’t our thoughts. Because our hearts are sinful from birth, we do not accurately understand His ways and thoughts

[@spencergsmith]

@@jasonnoble7302”An all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good creator would not create a world where evil exists.” What is your evidence for this claim? Also, you are making a moral claim that lack of “evil” (which, by the way, cannot exist independent of the existence of an objective moral standard which requires the existence of God) is superior to free will. With what evidence or by what authority can you make such a claim? Without free will there might be no evil, but there would also be no love. I don’t want to live in a world devoid of love and free will. I find that far inferior to an imperfect world where both free will and love exist.

[@JesusTheSaviour7032]

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he that is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." *"Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates INTO THE CITY."* *"For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolators, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."* "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these THINGS IN THE CHURCHES. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." Revelation 22:11, 14-16

[@georgemccreadyprice8195]

What a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

[@butterjupitar]

@All Law Lucifer and Satan aren't the same persons. Lucifer is the most beautiful angel that God once created and who was referred to as the morning star but after he corrupts himself, he was now called satan/the devil. It's the same for Saul and Paul, Saul is the one who persecutes Christians but Paul is a Christian who preaches the gospel to people and does the Will of God. Their names are a definition of who they are or who they have become, it has meanings. Also, the word "morning star" isn't a negative word, as I said, before Satan's fall, he *was* called the morning star.

[@Scorpion-my3dv]

James 4:12. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. ... Psalms 96:13. Let all creation rejoice before the LORD, for he comes, he comes to judge the earth. ...

[@EricTheOvercomer4]

@All Law stop deceiving people with occult beliefs Jesus is not Lucifer nor the sun

[@crackedbrainOG]

Frank, again makes it easy to understand a difficult topic. Well done!

[@LatrineDerriere]

God was tired of the Canaanites sacrificing some of their children, so he solved it by killing all their children?

[@thierry860]

Only gullible people fall for a con man advocating for genocide.

[@Revivalism23]

​@@cygnusustus God said take revenge on Midianites. It was Moses and other Israelites that decided to spare them. And they suffered the consequences.

[@MrLogo73]

Why did god call for violence in the Old Testament? Because their society in 1st century Mesopotamia was violent and hence their deities also reflect their attitudes.

[@georgemccreadyprice8195]

Sounds about right.

[@joshuakohlmann9731]

"And Man created God in his own image and likeness"...

[@CaptainFantastic222]

That makes no sense

[@JoseRodriguez-zv6td]

If it weren't for the blood of JesusChrist, God's wrath would of poured over this world already just like in the old Testament.

[@mattr.1887]

It wasn't poured over the whole world. It was just the neighbors of Jews.

[@tumokatai5244]

​@Sydney Bell Because the life of flesh is in the blood so blood is the atonement

[@MadDogGaming]

​@@tumokatai5244 Penal Substitutionary Attornment. God pays out sin with death. The only solution is a vicarious substitutionary atonement where Jesus Christ offers a propitiation of sin via double imputation. Instead of use dying and facing gods wrath, Jesus takes our place and sates the infinite righteous wrath of God.

[@butterjupitar]

​@Sydney Bell Forgiveness doesn't come easy, we are all sinners, and forgiveness means atonement for our sins, and if we are to say, "God should forgive us without a sacrifice", then that means we will be as perfect as God, we are not perfect as God because God is sinless, so Jesus, *God's* incarnate, came to this Earth and take on the punishment that was meant for us, AND on the third day of His death, He was raised from the dead, meaning that He is now alive, so through faith in Him that He died and was raised again, we can also be raised again after death. I hope this helps.

[@butterjupitar]

​@Sydney Bell I'm talking about God here, not humans... Even Jesus in His *human self* asked God if there was another way for humanity to be saved from their sins and be forgiven, but they weren't, there was no other way because God is an all-perfect God with a PERFECT JUDGMENT meaning that even with just one single flaw you will still be deemed as a sinner, so Jesus came to pay the price by being a sacrifice for us, so having faith in Him that He paid the price can save us, if we don't have faith in Him then we are denying that He paid for our sins and we will never be able to escape the punishment.

[@WanderersPath05]

God is just. Slow to anger and quick to forgive those who come to him seeking forgiveness. ❤

[@reinsama5436]

I hope you get well soon.

[@Paulthored]

I think that Frank's description of Death, from God's perspective at least, is pretty good. Especially when pointing out that just because a human ordering, or carrying out by their own volition, something like killing children... Would be considered morally wrong & evil. God's perspective is different, thusly what's wrong/evil for humans, is not necessarily wrong/evil for God. It's not like God can violate the Ultimately Perfect & objective standard that he sets for Morality... but that, God's perspective is Broader than ours. And thus, he can justify his acting, in situations where human beings cannot see a action that is Ethical. I hope that I conveyed my thoughts on this topic sufficiently. ✌😇✝️

[@mediaphile]

Forget wrong or evil, the question is why allow suffering? Especially when there's a heaven that exists without suffering.

[@Papa-dopoulos]

@@mediaphile How can you forget one while not sucking the substance out of the other? If we are forgetting wrong or evil, then suffering is morally groundless. It just “is,” right?

[@Paulthored]

@@mediaphile Philosophically thinking... I'm guessing that because we're created with free will, allowing suffering as to be an option, would be required for the Full exercise thereof. That is to say, something intrinsic to giving a person Free Will *AND* the necessary Ability to Express/exercise said Will... _WITHOUT_ making us what is effectively Slaves, requires suffering as something that may be never used/necessary. But something that still is possible. Much like modern day Law's, allow for the Freedom to do whatever... But carry consequences, for choosing certain actions. ..... Theologically speaking... God is Omniscient and Omnipotent. He can suffer the existence of Evil & suffering... So long as the existence of such, can be used for Good. We may not be able to correctly figure it out now. _(Though I like to think I made a decently logical & well reasoned argument above)_ But if we're not sure when we die, God will provide us answers. It's also possible that I'm missing something in the Bible, -but given how much recent education programs tend towards avoiding any Actual interaction between students and the Bible...- I personally have no excuse. Though, It always amazes me how much you can miss, just reading through it without realizing that parts are essentially historical texts referencing previous passages. Hopefully this mess of a comment helps answer your question.

[@Paulthored]

@All Law I'm not sure what you intended to be meant by that... _Especially in relation to my comment._ If you would be willing to elaborate, I'd appreciate it. Please?

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@alphabeta1337]

It should be noted that merely 5.6% of Old Testament verses are related to violence, with the OT being significantly larger than the New Testament and the violent verses not superseding the ten commandments. It also makes perfect sense that there was sin and violence before Jesus, otherwise there would be no reason for his arrival on earth and dying for our sins.

[@harveywabbit9541]

See Isaiah 7.3, where Isaiah comes out of winter, not as a man (barren earth), but as a woman (nurture). This is the same point where Jesus comes out of winter, wearing the golden girdle of Aphrodite. His male part is Scorpio (genitals) thru Pisces (feet) and his female part is Aries thru Libra (the sacred seven) and Temple of God, built in seven months (not years). The six days (Aries thru Virgo) in Genesis one, is tweaked by taking the first night (Libra) and adding it to the six "days" to get the arc of seven constellations representing summer (sun above equinoctial line aka light over darkness/female/good) and leaving five signs (Scorpio thru Pisces) representing winter (sun below equinoctial line aka darkness over light/male/evil as in Rev 9. These five signs give us the Sabbath aka Earth resting from its labor of crop production. The Sabbath is broken as the Elohim proclaim "let there be light."

[@dassolosyndikat5113]

Well said. Everything makes sense.

[@brianpeterson8908]

It's all a fantasy story by barbarians.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@reinsama5436]

So jesus was there and we still sin daily seems like jesus didnt do doodoo

[@cornelisfb]

More violence in the Old Testament? It seems that the book of revelation is either overlooked or reasoned away. When every mountain is flattened and half of the population is dead, it looks even worse than the most terrifying disaster movie.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

5 months where people would wish they were dead but can’t die. A 1/3rd of the earth burned. All of the Plagues of the earth added to you if you add or take away from the scripture. All non believers thrown in the lake of fire! Yeah it’s pretty intense!

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@cs6989]

@All Law What do you mean?

[@snak9895]

@All Law Careful there, you are moving into gnostic territory.

[@snak9895]

@All Law boss idk what you are trying to convey, but if you believe Jesus is the sun, that boat won't float. That would be gnostic heresy.

[@storba3860]

But why must children be included in that judgement? A child who has yet to reach the age of reason isn't going to reflect its culture's worst impulses if said culture has been wiped from existence.

[@samkj1953]

During those times, when someone kills your father, it was the responsibility of the son to take revenge. So even if they were adopted, if at some point those children got the info that there parents were slaughtered, no doubt they will take there revenge. So it was a necessary evil.

[@luzdivina2706]

Thank you!

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@flolou8496]

You could make the argument theologically, that it's in the personality of the pre incarnate Jesus, that Jesus is the author of the Bible, In the beginning was the Word, and ....the Word, was God, so it does follow logically, that you could say it was Jesus (as God before taking on a additional layer of humanity at the incarnation) wrote the Bible.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@financiallife3696]

Context, context, context!

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@Sirjwinsalot]

Jesus is the bright and morning star. The devil always tries to usurp titles that God holds. The resurrection is the pudding proof as it were to show Jesus is God the Son. God the Father would not authenticate Satan ever

[@Sirjwinsalot]

Also in the context context context as the one above put it, when is revelation? The end of History! Revelation explicitly states that the sun will be no more and that the light will come from God Himself so the sun isn't needed and Jesus claim is still true in context even if I'm wrong about Him being the light of the world now.

[@rogerjohnson833]

The law was an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Do you still have teeth?

[@rogerjohnson833]

@@harveywabbit9541 Lower teeth ! But I have several combs.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@rogerjohnson833 Do you go to a dentist to get a haircut?

[@rogerjohnson833]

@@harveywabbit9541 Silly Wabbit !

[@GatewayPro]

....and yet, the question remains unanswered.

[@mashah1085]

aka "Typical Turek" He does softball interviews or just talks with no challenges.

[@GatewayPro]

@All Law not relevant to my comment, not even close

[@JesusisLOVEJohn-]

The babies would of grown up and have taken revenge on the Israelites. They would have died in battle anyway and gone to hell. If they died as babies they would have gone to heaven. Also God had Jonah preach in Nineveh so they would repent even though they were incredibly evil. Isaiah 55:7-9 KJV Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. [8] For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. [9] For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

[@mashah1085]

@@JesusisLOVEJohn- Babies get into Heaven automatically?

[@oscargr_]

​@@mashah1085 Yep.. those are the rules. And especially babies that are killed because god ordered it to happen.

[@ryanrockstarsessom768]

Thank you

[@edwardhill7045]

God may be Love but that does not mean He will put up with a crappy immoral life .And that means He will beat you into submission and not love you regardless of your evil ways

[@jettruth]

It’s also because of the butterfly effect. God passes judgment and those also effect the outcome of history all the way to the present. An all knowing God knows all outcomes of all actions so he knows when he needs to intervene in order to get the outcome he desires. More changes in the past makes sense with God who is beyond time.

[@michaelreed6603]

Yes! The bible supports your entire comment in Genesis 1:31, Psalm 119:91, Psalm 145:17, Psalm 147:5, Proverbs 21:1 and Titus 1:2

[@oscargr_]

In that case maybe he should have intervened a few decades before the Canaanites started killing babies. Unless early intervention would have lead to even worse outcomes... But that's impossible with an omnipotent, omniscient god.

[@lainegordon5831]

Thank you for such a clear, reasonable answer. The worship of Molech, Baphomet, and other evil is all still around us today, astonishingly, and People need to hear and understand this

[@vladg8983]

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

[@easyminimal_6130]

evil has several meanings; the evil you're thinking about, & it could also mean "calamities or disaster"... the context of the verse is that He rewards obedience with peace & rewards disobedience with calamities... God didn't create moral "evil"... it can't even be made as it is a choice

[@healingthroughchrist1988]

@@easyminimal_6130 Facts.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@reinsama5436]

So basically god is evil because hes the reason evil exists in the first place

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@@reinsama5436 "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:6-9 KJV) We do not have the faintest ability to understand the ways of the Creator. But He calls out to the fallen sinner....respond, and He will have mercy on you.

[@claykerr300]

How can I watch the full video?

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@DocReasonable]

God is directly responsible for every atrocity that has ever happened and ever will happen. It also means there's no free will, except for God's.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

"Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone." (James 1:13 NKJV) God does NOT cause sin to happen....but He does allow it.

[@TrussAdams]

If God is all knowing, wouldn't he have known that his warnings to wouldn't be listened to? If he was all knowing and he wanted the atrocities to stop wouldn't he have known the perfect way to give his warnings so that they would be listened to? What Frank fails to understand here is that the problem with God stopping atrocities is not that he stops them, but that he commits other atrocities to do so. Shouldn't an all loving, all powerful, all knowing God be able to correct his people without torturing and killing them?

[@somerandom3247]

It's gods fault that there is evil in the first place. If he didn't want there to be evil, he shouldn't have put the tree in the garden. He knows the future, so he knew it would be eaten. An all powerful, all knowing god should be able to sort his mess out without resorting to violence.

[@thomasb4467]

It’s ok. God will sort it all out in the end. All will stand before God and give answer for their actions

[@DocReasonable]

@@thomasb4467 If you had little children, would you leave them out alone in a garden that you knew was inhabited by an EVIL TALKING SNAKE that you knew was going to convince them to eat the most dangerous food of ALL TIME? And would you then blame and punish the children for your appalling negligence?

[@somerandom3247]

@@thomasb4467 Highly unlikely considering the bible is absolute rubbish start to finish, but if that day does come, its god who will have to answer to me.

[@thomasb4467]

@@somerandom3247 False bravado won’t protect you when you stand before God and know your guilt. What’s more is you won’t have any excuse as to why you rejected Jesus Christ who he provided to you as a savior.

[@thomasb4467]

@@DocReasonable Are you a robot?

[@herwincalinawan]

400 years of slavery in Egypt was the consequence of Abraham's failure of offering the bird. It's not a warning to cananites but they really have to undergo the suffering. So it begs the question: Just because of the bird that was not offered, Why God punish the descendants of Abraham for 400 years?

[@thomasharp3246]

Believers don't complain about it. Why, because we've read the whole Bible. God is slow to anger. God is merciful and loving. When He does judge it's good. I believe everyone that goes to hell fully rejects God and hates God. I've come to the conclusion as brutal a punishment as hell is it's still fitting. Look at people today trying to destroy family and society. Those people only get worse. If anyone were let out of hell they wouldn't change they'd get worse. People that change do so now. They believe.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Few Christians understand the very first page of the bible.

[@thomasharp3246]

@@harveywabbit9541 your point?

[@georgemccreadyprice8195]

@@thomasharp3246 Because most Christians haven’t read the bible and those that do usually become Ex christians.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@thomasharp3246 It's the key.

[@mattr.1887]

Thomas, sounds like you've got God all figured out.

[@lizabellos4859]

Do you think it might have anything to do with the fallen angels, the Titans, little gods, Giants, and the fact that every creation that was good had been defiled ?

[@Jesus_is_the_Way_1985]

Nailed it!

[@bennyroyal2191]

I get the logic but what I don’t understand why would God tell the Israelites to kill everyone but the virgin women… if they were genetically defiled why allow the Israelites to procreate with them? Kind of defeats the purpose.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

Frank didn't get into the fact that the promised land had become inhabited by giants. Remember Goliath? "And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it. But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we. And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight." (Numbers 13:30-33 NKJV) There were nephilim....offspring of the fallen angels of Genesis 6 infamy. They came back after Noah's flood, and the whole population was genetically corrupted.....that's why God ordered them destroyed.

[@harveywabbit9541]

"There were giants in those days," says our vulgar text (Gen. 6:4). The Hebrew is Nephilim = - fallen ones, reference being had to the southern zodiacal constellations, when "Noah was a just man," i.e., when the Sun was in Libra (Gen. 6:9). These giants were Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricornus, Aquarius and Pisces, then below the equator. "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that the imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually (Gen. 6:5). Here we have a translation as faulty as it can well be. Correctly rendered, it would read: "And the Lord (Jahveh, not Elohim) saw that the wickedness of the Man (i.e., Aquarius, for the article - the in the original, shows that a particular Man is referred to) was great in the earth, and that the purpose of his thoughts was only evil every day." The meaning of the text is thus made clear. The Lord seeing the Sun descending in his ecliptic toward " the man " (Aquarius), thought the Man was pulling "the Man's" intentions " were only evil every day;" and, indeed, the Lord's fears seemed well grounded, for it would be a shocking thing, according to appearances, should the Sun in his downward course to the bottomless pit, never stop to return to the summer hemisphere again. In consequence of this threatened danger, we are told (Gen. 6. 6) the Lord repented that he had made " the Man " (the article is still present in the Hebrew), and scoffers, who know not the Lord, have thought him silly in this; but, let me say, it must have seemed a terrible tiling to the Lord, when he. saw the earth (which sympathizes with the Sun), with its countless myriads of living creatures, the work of his own hands, being tumbled down to Hell at the rate of, as astronomers tell us, 1,639,000 miles a day, or 19 miles a second! "

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@@harveywabbit9541 Which version of scripture is your reference?

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@dannywilliamson3340 You will find the evil scorpion in Rev 9. He is the leader of the five months of winter that can harm man. Scorpio is the Liar and is called Satan, father of lies. See Isaiah 9.14-15, which ids the biblical Israel as the four constellations of Leo (head/noble on), Virgo (palm frond), Libra (reed - a water plant), and Scorpio the liar as the tail.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@@harveywabbit9541 No, I meant which translation do you use?

[@stevenrusan1772]

Old testament violence is nothing, compared to the final judgement

[@somerandom3247]

"you think god is evil now, just wait and see what else he has planned!!!"

[@Nov_Net]

​@@somerandom3247 how is God evil now?

[@somerandom3247]

@@Nov_Net Have you read the bible? dude released evil into the world, conrtrolls that evil, then tortures people for eternity for it. Dude sent bears to maul children. Dude tricked a guy into killing his son. Dude drowned the entire blanet because they didnt behave hoiw he wanted. Dude murdered the firstbourn of an entire nation. I could go on, but that list right there doesn't describe a good being, it describes an evil one.

[@butterjupitar]

@@somerandom3247 Evil is evil until you only see things you don't like, what about the promise that He has granted to us?

[@bingbong8239]

You can stop evil without putting innocent people at risk

[@katarina.k_art]

For the people thinking that God is mean or evil, you are forgetting the part where He sent his son to die for us so we can have an eternal life for free. Nobody would do that for you. Except Jesus. Even though we sin against him, he paid for all our sins on the cross and resurrected. All he asks of us is to put our faith and trust in Him.

[@logicalatheist1065]

So the claim says, not enough evidence to support it though, but I'm glad your beliefs make you happy

[@Skeluz]

Could someone explain how this is something positive? In all seriousness, all I'm reading here is the glorification of: Child sacrifice Letting someone else take the blame Punishing the innocent in order to pay for the crimes of others Killing instead of forgiving Forcing everyone to acknowledge that they are bad people and doing all the points above negates all the bad they have done Nobody in their right mind would do this for obvious reasons.

[@Generatorman59]

Great. I will be sure to explain your point to the family members of a 5-year-old child who just died of cancer. I am sure they will all understand. They prayed for this child continuously, and God took him anyway. Meanwhile, God apparently answered the prayer of a football player who scored the winning points for his team. What an awesome God you worship!

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@Generatorman59 Bravo!

[@autisticphaglosophy7128]

@@Skeluz This is mainstream secular liberal academic critical theory are you suggesting they’re wrong?

[@StringPlunker]

2:09 "If Christianity is true, people don't die they just change location." You have got to be kidding.

[@caesarius2004]

It astonishes me that he was saying that in a context of the Canaanite conquest. Acoording to the story, God ordered his folk to execute his commands he didn't do it on his own. Saying they just change location is like "Ah, k*lling is not that bad, I didn't k* ll them, I just moved them n the hands of god to change their location."

[@JamesRichardWiley]

According to the authors, the anonymous Jewish writers who made up the story, Yahweh is angry and jealous over the work that he had done and was forced to take action against it.

[@fromlasttofirst22]

Exactly!

[@mnp870]

Simple question. There has always & will be punishment for sin and rebellion. Just like when citizens break the laws. There’s punishment. God tell us how to live and what is good for us BUT we, we, we rebel therefore choosing a separation from the right.

[@serendipia7177]

Actually is not, good justice system don’t punish crimes, because is useless, criminal is lock up or for the protection of others not for punish, also god let evil do as they want is not how justice system work they are locked as they commit the crime

[@RY-ik5sv]

Very well said!

[@michaelmorris6575]

Good answer! Thanks for sharing.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@allaware1971]

Just to prove to anyone that he was the real God, and whoever he supports can do whatever they want because it's in the best interest of all of humanity, and that eventually his rule and strength over all the devils and all of those who go against the one true God will last an impact that always resurfaces whenever times for repair return.

[@Mavors1099]

To prove to anyone that he was the real god....well, he just has to show up.

[@blasphememes]

“He gives them over 400 years of warnings…” despite perfectly knowing it wouldn’t work. Seems like God also works in pointless ways.

[@rebeccausher4753]

No, it wasn’t pointless-it demonstrated their wickedness and hard-heartedness, as well as His patience with them.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

​@@rebeccausher4753 You really are into mythology, aren't you?

[@cro8sandy]

​@@Theo_Skeptomai i am. Cos so called "mythology" is history

[@Nov_Net]

In such case God sending warnings was not so much to initiate change but to serve as a witness of knowledge of sins when his judgement comes

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@Nov_Net Good thing I have never sinned, huh?

[@donn07]

AMEN ❤️🙏

[@ajgibson1307]

God bless

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@DocReasonable]

If you had little children, would you leave them out alone in a garden that you knew was inhabited by an EVIL TALKING SNAKE that you knew was going to convince them to eat the most dangerous food of ALL TIME? And would you then blame and punish the children for your appalling negligence?

[@logicalatheist1065]

No, only a terrible parent would

[@healingthroughchrist1988]

Your analogy makes it sound like Adam and Eve were toddlers or something. They both had the capacity to at least understand that they weren't supposed to eat the forbidden fruit. The fact that they hid is proof of that.

[@logicalatheist1065]

@@healingthroughchrist1988 Adam and Eve is fiction, the world didn't populate from 2 ppl

[@DocReasonable]

​@@healingthroughchrist1988 Adam and Eve WERE like unto newborns. God says in Genesis 3 after they ate from the tree "NOW man has become like us, knowing good from evil". This shows that Adam and Even did NOT know the difference between good and evil before they ate from the tree, so they were quite innocent as they didn't know they were doing something wrong. You need lessons in logic AND morals.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

He specifically told them. “to not eat of the fruit of the tree or you will surely die” Like a good parent telling there kids to look both ways in the street or they could die. Would you rather give up free will and have someone control your every move?

[@jeffreyheslop9]

How can I watch the full discussion?

[@rockzalt]

This video clip is being bookmarked. To cover the Atheist objection "why doesn't God do something about evil" in under four minutes should be compulsory viewing for growing in the knowledge of God.

[@mediaphile]

Why does evil even exist?

[@rockzalt]

@@mediaphile Haven't you ever done any evil? Should be self evident.

[@AlrightDave]

​@@mediaphile how can we know if something actually and truly is evil?

[@mediaphile]

@@AlrightDave Why should that even be a question? Why should evil exist?

[@AlrightDave]

@@mediaphile it's a question because if Naturalism is all there is, then there actually isn't such a thing as evil. Or good.

[@XX_MelobraacRedux]

People forget that all that the Lord Almighty does is just and righteous, and we cannot comprehend it in human feelings, like saying “we know terminating babies is evil so why does God do it?” (especially when that’s a gross oversimplification when if you actually read the Holy Bible, there’s very important context for why He “allows” that in a very specific instance.) We cannot speak for the Lord our God, only He may justify Himself in whatever He does or allows or impedes. I just find it peculiar though that nonbelievers and atheists tend to call the Lord Almighty “evil”, yet they do the things they claim the Lord is “guilty” of (like abortion for instance, not to mention many are grooming and performing sex change operations on minors which is an abomination.) I pray, and I implore all of you to pray for these wicked people that they may see the error of their ways before it is too late. May they find the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and repent for their sins that they may know the Lord Almighty better everyday and not accuse Him of “being heartless”. Praise be to the Most High, in Jesus’ name, amen and amen.

[@Mavors1099]

People forget that this are not action that God did but stories in an old book.

[@oscargr_]

Killing of babies is just fine if a god does it under very specific circumstances... But not if you claim objective morality.

[@joshuakohlmann9731]

So...God's commandment to the Israelites to slaughter every man, woman _and child_ in those cities was because they were so wicked that they were killing their _own_ children? And God's solution was to tell the Israelites to do it for them? That's not a divine plan, that's simply _outsourcing infanticide._ Couldn't God just have softened their hearts? He seems quite good at hardening them, you know, like Pharaoh.

[@edwardhill7045]

the Lord loves us so He will beat us when we do wrong .God tells all of Parents to punish your children and beat them when they do wrong and He being our parent will do the same thing .GOD LOVES US BUT HE WILL BEAT US WHEN WE GO AGAINST HIS DIRECTIONS FOR LIVING . if God did not love us THEN HE WOULD NOT TRY TO CORRECT US for He knows what He will put up with and we need to learn that too

[@harveywabbit9541]

Zeus, God of the bible, is blamed for many things. He ain't real.

[@ZombieTBagger]

People who preach 'the word' are very good at avoiding the question.

[@coolgoku810]

He did answer

[@ZombieTBagger]

@@coolgoku810 what was it?

[@coolgoku810]

@Remnar Jenkins watch the video and pat attention. Judgement was called more in the old testament because people sinning far more since it takes place over thousands of years while the new testament only takes place with in about 60 years

[@ZombieTBagger]

@@coolgoku810 that's not a completely watered down, beat around the bush answer? I payed plenty attention... Maybe you should.

[@coolgoku810]

@Remnar Jenkins The more sin the more likely God is to judge. Over 6k years God will be doing alot of judgement,however over 62 years not enough for God to do the same amount as the old testament

[@FOTWC]

God is God he alone can do whatever he wants with what he created

[@breesty4229]

Yeah, let’s say he wanted to rape and torture your family just for fun trillions and trillions of times over. Just making sure, you’re good with that, right?

[@mediaphile]

And since Christians claim that god gave us free will, I'm free to hate him for creating such a shoddy universe where suffering can exist, especially given the same god can apparently create a place called heaven where suffering doesn't exist.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@butterjupitar]

@@mediaphile Humans are the one that makes suffering exist, if humans didn't use their free will to go against God then suffering wouldn't exist...

[@mediaphile]

@@butterjupitar Why didn’t this god make it so we could have free will without suffering? What is the purpose of allowing suffering to even be a possibility?

[@sgorgardr227]

We can talk much about it, but at some point a peson should grow up and understand that they themselves are not center of the world, and there is greater power to stand over them. Parents, ethics, law. God. The giver of life. The taker of life. And that someone's ethics might differ from your own, and there is perspective on things. Shouting "Violence!" would never stop any world's problem, and everything have a reason why it happens, everything at all. Like Frank've said, He didn't just woke up and decided to do it. But unless we keep out our emotions and keep ourselves cool, only then we can determine, wheither something is really bad, or it's just seems so from emotional perspective. It is impossible to justify any sort of violence from the perspective of emotions, it is unbearable. Only with stronger emotion, of hatred or fear for example. But all emotions are a lie and just reactions in the end, they are not intellectual, and do not determine right from wrong. Empathy is blind, you can have empathy to a criminal, that doesn't make it right. I hope i was clear on this and was able to give some view on this from another angle.

[@mattr.1887]

If God had to kill these people, why not just annihilate them? Why make other humans do it?

[@sgorgardr227]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 "You are talking about people who believe in God when u say grow up right?" - No. "Because atheists don't think they are the center of the universe" - You're generalizing theists and lying about me generalizing atheists. "That God made this planet out of the billions" - No, it's one and only planet, others are exo-planets, so that they look like one, but not actual planet. I might be wrong here, but it only shows that theists are right - one and only beautiful world, made as residence for humanity by creator. If that's the case then yeah, theists have a point, even if they are self-centered.

[@sgorgardr227]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 Jesus, you're five year old. You're not even responding, u just parroting annoying dawkins barkings, that has been chewed up by now like ten thousand times. That is just not interesting.

[@DARamosYT]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 I'd like to think he meant there is one habitable earth. Yes, there are other planets, but we have no solid evidence of life beyond this one. Can't say I follow your logic when you mention our focus on Jesus (a person other than ourselves) makes us self-centered.

[@sgorgardr227]

@All Law No, lucifer is not morning star, nor anything. Lucifer is a wrong latin translation of something that shines in the text, like "the bright one", nothing to do with morning star. You really... you really using Scripture referances to "show" that Lord Jesus is satan... IN the Scripture?

[@fingersmcoy]

our God in heaven, the creator of everything, can do what He wants. Our opinion is absolutey nothing to the Almighty. We better start fearing God, instead of acting like He is our pal.

[@adamfleder2175]

Sounds like a mob boss.

[@itsJPhere]

I guess your God doesn't care about democracy or people having their own opinions and the freedom to express their opinions. Straight to hell, no freedom allowed.

[@nashwalker7]

People just don't understand how barbaric humanity was in the ancient world. And we still aren't that great

[@IronCavalier]

The worldview of the last 100 years is pooed pooed away. The OT is violent. Yeah. The last 100 years has been more so by your worldview. 😡😡🤬🤬🤬 🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗

[@nashwalker7]

@Sydney Bell no I’m trying to get you and many others to understand context when reading anything pertaining to the ancient world. If men and women were burning children alive on an alter, would you want law enforcement to use lethal force after multiple warnings?

[@nashwalker7]

@Sydney Bell so much for a good faith argument. I guess we will settle for bating questions. Since this appears to be the intent. What are my options of responses you’d like me to answer with?

[@nashwalker7]

@@HUNTSMARTFASTHARD that would require you giving an example of God murdering people? And again the baiting questions.

[@nashwalker7]

@@HUNTSMARTFASTHARD I know what you are doing. Give me the example you are referring to.

[@abeg7107]

The real question should be, why did God allow anyone to be alive after Adams first sin?

[@harveywabbit9541]

Adam is the red earth. The earth is not the sinner.

[@abeg7107]

@@harveywabbit9541 That understanding ignores Genesis 2:7. Also, you would have to ignore a multitude of other scripture, but I'll link this one for now: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (for until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)" Romans 5:12‭-‬17

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@abeg7107 The woman which the Lord-God had created in the garden, told the serpent, in her state of ignorance, that they (herself and Adam) were forbidden to eat of the tree " in the midst of the garden " (Gen. 3. 3), which was a mistake. The serpent, however, determined to circumvent the Lord-God, was careful "the man" should partake of the fruit of the right tree -"the tree of knowledge of good and evil." He did not wish him to eat of "the tree of life," and so become equal to the Lord-God and live forever. This was not his design. He wished to get "the man" below with him in the infernal regions - into his possession, in his kingdom of darkness. This was his object; and the Lord-God must have been off his guard, or else he must have intended from the "Beginning" which I am inclined to suspect, to turn our poor old grandfather with his innumerable progeny over to the subtle serpent - our great adversary, the Devil, or Winter. The result of the eating, however, was knowledge, which most people now-a-days fearfully lack; and the Lord-God, anxious lest this poor, feeble, naked and miserable old "man" should make a profitable use of his recently acquired knowledge, hastened to remove him from his presence! Before doing this, however, he curses all the parties implicated. Nay, more; he curses the very ground, which certainly showed a lack of consideration and that he was not in his right mind. Adam had not yet named his wife, because, probably, his knowledge was not equal to the task. He now calls her name Eve - life, "because she was the mother of all living" (Gen. 3.20), which name, of course, was very appropriate, as she was not yet a mother at all. The name would have better applied to Adam, as the Lord-God got Eve of him!

[@healingthroughchrist1988]

Because God was going to send Jesus to redeem us.

[@abeg7107]

@alllaw3862 That is not the correct Greek translation, it is lampros(bright) próinos (morning) astér(star). You are ignoring the symbolism of Rev. 22:16. When Jesus said: "Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep." John 10:7 Doesn't mean Jesus is a literal door.

[@tripplec80]

What about Acts 5:3-10. Ananias and his wife were believers who lied and got judged and delt with immediately. I was like whoa! 😳

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@rickintexas1584]

@All Law boy, that is a stretch.

[@knightwhosaysno4392]

​@All Law I don't think Jesus was referring to something He created tho, don't look for God in things He created

[@joel8961]

​@@knightwhosaysno4392 point made

[@BlackHat-v4j]

God simply the person we all get to turn are brains off and not think and he can do anything and it doesn’t matter

[@Generatorman59]

So, God had 400 years to deal with the Canaanites before his people arrived to inherit the promised land. This is what I would have done. In that 400-year time, I would have cut the water supply down to the point that would cause the inhabitants to have to relocate to other regions, far away from Canaan. Then, when the Israelites arrived, I would have made water more plentiful for my chosen people to flourish. Instead, what God actually did was to allow the original inhabitants to flourish in Canaan, only to be literally hacked up to pieces by the Israelite armies. So, why didn't God think of my plan? Is it because he isn't smart enough? Was it because he is inept? Was it because he was still learning to be God? Was it because he just didn't care? Was it because he wanted to prove a point at the expense of the Canaanites? Or was it because he is evil and immoral? Oh wait, maybe this God actually doesn't exist and none of this really happened. Now, there's a possibility.

[@Disciple793]

It's impossible to know the mind of an infinite being. But you do? What an ego. Would you mind teaching a class on the history of the Old Testament in Hebrew and Aramaic so we can all be enlightened by your scholarly experience since you so aptly understand biblical hermeneutics?

[@harveywabbit9541]

Canaan is the Scorpio constellation aka fourth son of Ham (summer). The scorpion is the cursed one, throughout the bible. See Rev 9, where Scorpio is the leader of the five months (winter) that can harm man.

[@Generatorman59]

@@harveywabbit9541 You just made all that up, didn't you? There is no way you can source any of what you are saying.

[@Generatorman59]

@@Disciple793 Who is claiming that I know the mind of this God of the bible? Frank claims, along with many other theists, that God was patient for 400 years with the Canaanites. Then he said enough is enough, kill them all. I was simply demonstrating what I would do differently. The goal in mind was to make way for God's chosen people, that's it. God didn't have to hack up all the babies up into pieces, did he? Why would anyone think it was necessary to command God's people to kill babies and be happy about it? (Psalms 137:9) Oh, that's right. Don't ever question or be skeptical when it comes to your God. That would be in direct violation to your indoctrination. Just submit and obey. And don't forget to love and fear him, too!

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@Generatorman59 The four sons, of Ham (Jupiter), are Leo, Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio. They are found in Isaiah 9.14-15.

[@borrowedtruths6955]

Did you not notice in the Scriptures the evil that those people were perpetrating?

[@adamfleder2175]

So killing all the children on which the evil was being perpetrated is morally acceptable to you. That is saying we could end abortion by aborting all the children.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@jessicawinslet684]

So technically, I, a human have better sense of justice than the judeo-chtistian god LOL. Not bad for 29 year old British girl.

[@DocReasonable]

'Shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?' Amos 3 6 'I create darkness and create evil, I the LORD do all these things.' Isaiah 31 1-2 'I will bring evil upon this people, even of their thoughts.' Jeremiah 6 19 'I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD' Jeremiah 45 5

[@easyminimal_6130]

evil could mean 2 things; the moral evil you're thinking about, & it could also mean "calamities or disasters"... read those verses in context & figure out which definition applies

[@DocReasonable]

​@@easyminimal_6130 I've only heard that a million times before... why would god creating calamities and disasters make you feel better about him, drone? SMH

[@easyminimal_6130]

because I'm bright enough to understand the value of Justice to those that deserve to have it served to them (and for them)

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

He will. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11👑 Revelation 21:8 🔥 “ But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.”

[@vladg8983]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. And we are made in his image why are you surprised

[@harveywabbit9541]

Jupiter works in mysterious ways. Genesis 1.27...And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them. Yes, Jupiter is male and female. Jupiter comes out of winter, not as a man (barren earth) but as a woman (nurture). Aries thru Libra = woman and Scorpio thru Pisces = man.

[@healingthroughchrist1988]

The Hebrew word for evil can also mean calamity. Since peace is not the opposite of evil, this verse is obviously talking about calamity.

[@helpmaboabb]

More theological somersaults and jumping thru of hoops to defend the indefensible. Turek says he gets the same 20 questions year after year. Maybe that's because he fails to answer those 20 questions with any conviction, year after year.

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@viliaquasa9560]

Maybe its because they want a different answer could not accept this one

[@viliaquasa9560]

Maybe its because they want a different answer could not accept this one

[@unc1589]

God is the boss! He’s wise enough to run the show. Why does a caterpillar squirm so much before he becomes a butterfly? Why is there winter? Why can’t we just be warm all the time? Why are there earthquakes and tornadoes? Why do babies bump their head on the coffee table and have to go to the emergency room? Here is the frightening thing? What if you came home one day and God was sitting on your living room couch ? The first thing he says is “be not afraid I’m here to answer all your questions .” You ask everything you’ve ever wondered. Then He answers you. And you go…. “Oh, oh wow. Uhh ok thanks!” Then He disappears. This would never happen. Because if God showed up in your living room you’d be quiet as a church mouse .

[@katamas832]

Any person would be a bit shocked if God shown up in their living room. I'd first ask who he is exactly, and if he said he is the God of the Bible I would certainly be quiet as a church mouse. Not because like "oh I'm a dirty sinner and I have no right to be in his presence and I'm so afraid" but "I'm a jew and Hitler just shown up in my living room and is staring me down".

[@Scorpion-my3dv]

Some people just refuse to accept that God is the judge of this earth. For a time in history Israel was used by God to exact that judgement.

[@somerandom3247]

Some people just refuse to accept that sending bears to maul children for teasing a bald man is not a just judgement.

[@Scorpion-my3dv]

​@@somerandom3247 Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction. 1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good.

[@bingbong8239]

2:45 And what did Joshua do to those same babies?

[@jdm11060]

As a Christian, this doesn't answer the crux of the question. I don't think the objector has a hard time grasping the idea that a perfect God has a right to judge his imperfect creation. The difficulty is in reading Israel's account or experience of God and reconciling that with Christ. It's not that God condemns the Canaanites, it's that he calls his covenant people to do so. Since Canaan murders their children in sacrifice to moloch, he's going to have the army of Israel kill every man woman and child, even their livestock, leaving nothing alive. So it's just more murder of children? Modern apologists who try to water down what Israel actually did doesn't change what scripture says they did. Juxtapose that to what Christ tells us to do with our enemies, it's completely the opposite. And on top of that, everyone's told by the Christian that God is unchanging. So, there is a hardship in reconciling these things. I don't like the answer here, as much as I like Frank, because it fails to actually address the crux of the issue. I, for one, think a Cruciform hermeneutical approach is the only thing that even comes close to addressing Israel's violence in the old testament. God also used other ancient near eastern people to condemn Israel when they fell deeply into idolatry. The old testament depiction of God is dreadfully incomplete until we see who Christ is, the perfect image bearer of God's nature. As Christian's, we don't have the burden of carrying the water for ancient Israel. We know Christ crucified, our all and all, and He is the one who shows us exactly how we are to behave before the almighty God.

[@Rumblealsojennings2929]

Y’all don’t understand that their is the father and there is Jesus whom you must come by. A-lot of y’all don’t think Jesus and the father is in heaven.

[@vladg8983]

God is as evil as his creation. We learn from our father, for he is a great example

[@Nov_Net]

God is never meant to be am example for how to live as humans

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@All Law It's a good thing that Latin was not one of the original languages for scripture, huh? The originals were translated into Latin in order to hide them from the common people who were not literate, ushering in the Dark Ages. The phrase "morning star" is used of Jesus several places in scripture. The common understanding of it is that He heralds the coming of the bright new day, shattering the darkness that has been Satan's dominion over the earth.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Daughters can be sold as slaves in Exodus 21:7.

[@keef5]

Don’t pretend like, according to your ridiculous belief, he didn’t commit genocide and kill the entire world.

[@Nov_Net]

He'll do it again too.

[@jimpassi349]

WHO STARTED WAR HIM OR US // OUR HISTORY IS FULL OF WAR WHY DO WE DO IT FOR

[@noelcurtis5439]

Love this channel ❤️✊🏼😉👍🏼🙏🏼

[@seshenofthenile2363]

People actually take the Old Testament litterally? 😮 Seriously. If Yahweh was the creator God then he was letting this evil exist. No way around that.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Zeus and Hera became Adam and Eve.

[@SuperEdge67]

Atheists aren’t complaining about god (that would be silly we don’t think god exists)………we’re complaining about Christians believing in nonsense.

[@cbdwarfer9492]

Well said. That's what most religious people fail to grasp, often calling them "God-haters". They don't realise that many people they label as "atheists" aren't anti-God, but simply normal people that don't even give a deity a thought in their daily lives because he simply isn't necessary for them to lead a good and productive life.

[@SuperEdge67]

@@cbdwarfer9492 Yep exactly. I live in Australia and no one here really cares what you believe. Hardly anyone I know is religious. Over here if you are overly religious you’re seen as a bit of weirdo to be honest.

[@cbdwarfer9492]

@@SuperEdge67 Sounds like my kinda place LOL! I'm in England, and pretty much the same applies here. I have no problem with religion, to each their own. But creationists that believe that the Noah's ark story LITERALLY happened? Gimme a break! I guess we should just be glad we don't live in America.

[@SuperEdge67]

@@cbdwarfer9492 Yep true. I do have a problem with children being taught nonsense though. But I guess it’s a parents right fill their child’s head with garbage if they want to. The only thing that will change this is education. Unfortunately many of the people watching this clip actually believe Turek knows a lot about science.

[@cbdwarfer9492]

@@SuperEdge67 Precisely. What chance does a child raised in a creationist family have to grow up to become a scientist, or even develop basic critical thinking skills? In my opinion it is borderline abuse. Personally I put Turek in the same category as Ken Ham and Kent Hovind.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

God in Bible commanded to kill men, women, children and nursing babies for their forefathers sins in 1 Samuel 15:3.

[@DocReasonable]

'The LORD shall roar on high against ALL the inhabitants of the earth. Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. The slain of the LORD shall be from one end of the earth unto the other end of the earth; they shall be dung upon the ground.' Jer 25 'The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.' Isaiah 34:6 'And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine.' Isaiah 49:26

[@exmateria1]

God: These Barbarians burn their babies, this needs to stop Also God: *Drowns them*

[@oscargr_]

Omniscient god was caught by surprise, or he would have intervened when he still loved the Canaanites, which is obviously before they started killing their babies.

[@henriettamdebwe1248]

You guys need to watch the video again. To understand and not to refute because the things you bring up were explained very well in the video

[@mashah1085]

Basically, Turek's position is "It's okay to kill babies...fi God orders it." So he can't object if a woman says she's having an abortion because "God told me to". What can he say "God wouldn't do that"...he just admitted that God DID do that with the Amalekites and Canaanites. Does he say "That woman is lying"? But the Hebrew chroniclers who wrote the stories of the genocides carried out but he Israelites were NOT lying? They weren't even there when it happened. Or does it just leave him stammering "But, but, but...that's DIFFERENT!"?

[@larzman651]

Atheists are just confused and mad at the GOD they don't believe in except when he's handing out judgement they don't approve of. Now for some gospel: that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD JESUS and shalt believe in thy heart that GOD raised him from the dead thou shalt be Saved 🙌 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

[@harveywabbit9541]

The old Sun dies and is born again as the baby Sun at the winter solstice. Many baby suns are born on December 25. The baby sun heads north and pass over into the Promised Land aka Heaven aka Summer aka Eve aka Temple of God, aka Arc of the Covenant and the Rainbow.

[@larzman651]

@@harveywabbit9541 😂🤦 go take your meds guy

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@larzman651 You must be born again (December 25) in order to go to Heaven (March 25). The Virgin constellation is impregnated on March 25 and gives birth to the Sun on December 25...every year.

[@larzman651]

@@harveywabbit9541 go take your meds guy

[@larzman651]

@@Jewonastick sure they are mad , just like you have come to tell us about it , and disguise it as you are concerned for us. We know GOD hasn't committed any atrocities. Your concern isn't needed thanks

[@piegros]

Good video

[@Mavors1099]

Perro

[@TheBoeingMan123]

He ain't real

[@pacman-zc8zo]

How do you know?

[@Gek1177]

It's basically because the Old Testament is a cultural foundation myth made up by the ancient Israelites which solidifies a shared heritage. Life was at times brutal in the late bronze age or early antiquity. Of course the Hebrew people would have their G0d divinely justify their murder of their enemies. We see that sane justification in almost every ancient religion.

[@harveywabbit9541]

The aggressor will claim that God is on his side and he is victim.

[@benjamingage7857]

This is one of the parts of the old testament that has negatively affected how I view God and definitely jeopardized my faith overall. Kill the young and old, men & women, and even animals. I know war is brutal, but I just can't rationalize intentionally killing children in any circumstance. I pray for understanding, but it would be dishonest of me to pretend that this doesn't bother me.

[@georgemccreadyprice8195]

I can give you a short video that would explain a lot of this.

[@itsJPhere]

Indeed, if your God has the power to magically poof people out of existence in a blink of an eye to "change their location", why bother making people slaughter each other like savages? The people who are tasked to do the killing could end up traumatized or killed too, since nobody will just accept being slaughtered without a fight, no? And then these people who are being slaughtered will forever hate those who came to mass murderer them, and the cycle of violence is complete. It seems to me the God of the Bible wants violence rather than judgement, if judgement was still possible in the afterlife.

[@harveywabbit9541]

The entire bible must be read as myth. There is no history in this book.

[@femi32]

@Benjamin Gage, there aren't any easy answers. Someone would have to take care of all these children. What would they do when they grew up? Would they understand that their parents were wicked and move on? Would they rise up against Israel like the Amalekites did (they attacked Israel first) and continuously fight against Israel until they died out like Haman and his sons? Would they join Israel's enemies, too? We are God's creation and it's His choice on how He deals with us. Life is His alone to give and take. We won't always understand this, and probably wont until we meet Him face to face.

[@mattr.1887]

Judaism and Christianity are different religions, with different understandings of God. Judaism is tribal; Christianity is universal. There's no evidence (convincing to me anyway) that the Old Testament authors had a Christian audience in mind when they wrote what they wrote.

[@Ancient_Man_In_Modern_World]

The God of the Old Testament appeared in the New! People are awful bold and arrogant to hold Him in contempt. Especially when these same people cannot give you background for any reason.. Any sociological background on the ancient world? Absent. . But oh! Fully aware of that text in the Bible! 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@the_alchemy_method]

Why doesn’t God stop evil today but he did in the Old Testament? 🤔

[@samkj1953]

Great question. Here is the thing. We don't have God eyes, that we don't know the complete picture from above, but he does. In this case however we can see why he did it. He was patient with them for 400 years, for them to change their ways. But their practices kept getting worse. Also be promised to get the promised in the promised land. So he did it. Again sometimes judgement is quick, sometimes it will be later. Only he knows the right time, as we don't the whole picture.

[@the_alchemy_method]

I assume we are led to believe that the reason God isn’t judging nations now like he did in the Old Testament is because of the coming a judgement day. How do you interpret this?

[@lamasabachthani2132]

What was that one thing Jesus said that was 100% fulfilled... ???? Jesus made it clear that he only came to set division between members of the same family and fire. Jesus who said: “Blessed are those who create peace. (Matthew 5:9) was himself the one who said, “Do not believe that I have come to bring peace on earth; I did not come to bring peace, but combat. I came to put the division between the man and his father, between the daughter and her mother, between the daughter-in-law and the mother-in-law. (Matthew 10:34-35) Jesus, the Prince of Peace said, “Do you think I have come to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. (Luke_12:51), "For I have come to divide a man and his father, between a daughter and her mother, between a daughter-in-law and her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:35). Jesus not only divided the members of the same family but also the whole Christian family: the Christians insult each other, curse each other, kill each other... the Catholics burned the Protestants and the Protestants slaughtered the Catholics, and the Orthodox hate and abominate Protestants and Protestants exclude Jehovah's Witnesses from Christianity and and and... Division and wars full of fires. Thousands and thousands of Christians have been massacred, slaughtered, burned, crucified, beheaded… by Christians! And every Christian sect claims that they alone have the truth and when Jesus, at his second coming, he enters his church and that his bible is the one approved by Jesus...

[@playdiscgolf1546]

People who think God isn’t as harsh in the New Testament, obviously haven’t read Revelation….

[@harveywabbit9541]

@All Law ....and he comes out of winter/darkness wearing the golden girdle of Aphrodite around his paps (female breasts).

[@playdiscgolf1546]

@All Law Lucifer is “the son of the morning” in Isaiah 14. Jesus is the bright and morning star. There’s a difference. Lucifer is not Latin for bright and morning star…quit lying. Lucifer is “light bringer” It’s the Latin for the planet Venus and in Greek, Venus is Phosporos. Also translating to “bringer of light”. NOT Morning Star

[@playdiscgolf1546]

@All Law I read your text. Morning star doesn’t mean the same thing as light bringer. In no way does Lucifer translate to “morning star”

[@playdiscgolf1546]

@All Law “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, *as a roaring lion* walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”

[@frankcardano4142]

Horus. Light of the world. The good shepherd. The lamb. The way. The truth. The life. Symbol was a cross. Born of a virgin. Only begotten son of Osiris. Birth heralded by the star sirus. Egyptians Paraded a baby in a manger through the streets around winter solstice. Death threat during infancy. Come thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child. Break in life history between 12-30. Age of baptism 30. Fate of Baptist beheading. Walked on water. Cast out demons. Healed the sick. Restored sight to the blind. Crucified. Rose from the dead after 3 days.

[@Mavors1099]

Source?

[@frankcardano4142]

@@Mavors1099 “Why I no longer believe in god” By The Thinking Ape. @37:00

[@Mavors1099]

A video of KZbin by random ape... 😂😂😂😂😂😂. I thought it was obvious but I mean academical or historical source.

[@frankcardano4142]

@@Mavors1099 Name the source he refers to in the video to show you looked at it.

[@Mavors1099]

​@@frankcardano4142 You name the sources. You are making this ludicrous claim, you back it up..

[@tTtt-ho3tq]

Why did God wait over 400 years for?

[@joshuakohlmann9731]

400 years is probably the blink of an eye to God.

[@tTtt-ho3tq]

@@joshuakohlmann9731 The blink of an eye or not, he didn't have to wait that long. How many children and babies suffered for over 400 years? But then why he had to kill children and babies now? Why just the adults?

[@normalast1616]

​@@tTtt-ho3tqhey there! He waited 400 years to give them the chance to repent. Which they never did. Hope that answers some of your question. The children are harder to understand. Whose to say that they wouldn't cause more evil has they got older, once they learnt their heritage? An example of this is well look at what is happening in America and here in Australia. People of colour are now justifying racism towards other races especially white people and are advocating for segregation again. Whose to say the kids wouldn't grow and worship the false gods and use women only as sex slaves, sacrifice their children and so forth. I don't have all the answers. But I know God took those children home and that is better than being in this world. But I understand why you would wrestle with it and why it is challenging to understand. Have a good day!

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

God waited that long to give the Canaanites a window to repent. 400 years may not seem like much to God, but to us, that is several generations at least.

[@tTtt-ho3tq]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 But God didn't have to give them 'a window' (time) to repent. Because he knew. He already knew they were not gonna repent in 400 years in the day one, didn't he? Are you saying he didn't know? But he waited over 400 years. And how many small children suffered during that time?