Is there truth to the prosperity gospel?

[@CrossExamined]

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[@1978Prime]

I just trust God to provide for my needs, but I also do my part be managing my money wisely.

[@debbiegagne4593]

That's why context is soooo important

[@SGOV86]

Exactly!

[@drdisrespect5318]

Whatever the context, the plans of Father GOD are always Good. Always give us a hope and a future and prosper us.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Don’t lean on man’s understanding Ms. Debbie, Gods promises apply to all of His children. John 14:26 “But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.”

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

@@drdisrespect5318 Amen, preach.

[@debbiegagne4593]

@@NewCreationInChrist896 I agree but its still good to read the word of God in context

[@matthewstanger1423]

Na money is nothing to seek after. Be content with what you have. Happiness is in people place and sharing what you have with others.

[@hookah6579]

Funny how those who say this don't share their happiness, they have none to give. You live in a state of lack, a state of sin and fire pits rather than a state of salvation, a state of glory, of having, of yes, WANTING.

[@Munch1289]

True but u always wanna strive for better and seek for better without at the same time, idolizing it u wanna improve.

[@K1370]

Joy is (firstly) found in God

[@ChicagoLights]

@@hookah6579you can want more but putting your faith in Jesus doesn’t mean Gods gonna hand you money like candy. You still need to do your part and take action.

[@vanessamoroldo82]

​ Always Remember ♡ GOD IS LOVE ♡ All the paths He leads you on, even the darkest ones, end in glory when you keep your heart & mind fixed on Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, Jesus said, "I Am the Way, the Truth and the Life" by Faith Hope & Love follow Jesus on the Narrow Way. Matthew 5: 6: 7: Then your heart, mind, soul and spirit, will be filled with Light, Love, Peace and Joy Far beyond your own understanding. Never stop Praying ! Read Galatians. Gospel St. John and 3 Epistles John 1: - 5: GOD the Father through our Lord Jesus Christ our Redeemer and Savior, hears the prayers and cries of His own Born of the Holy Spirit and washed in His blood children. John 3: 1- 21: Christ redeemed us from the darkness of this world into His glorious Light, Love, Peace and Joy. Our Blessed Lord and Savior said, "Fear not for I Am with you always, even unto the end of the world" Gospel St.John 11: 25 - 27; 14: 15: 16: 17: 1st. Epistle St John 1: - 5: Whosoever calls upon the Name of the Lord, with a broken and Contrite heart ❤ in true contrition and sorrow for all our Transgressions and Sins 😢 our Blessed Lord & Savior will not despise. Psalms 51: 37: 119: 🕊🙏 📖 ✝️ 📖 🙏 🕊 😇

[@lancedooley7558]

We need more material like this.

[@brianpeterson3884]

You are suppose to be poor while the guy preaching at you gets rich. Prosperity can not be shared in evangelical religion.

[@harryfaber]

@@brianpeterson3884 The guy preaching is the servant of the folk he is preaching to. All Christians are evangelical, not just the ones who use the word on their letterheads. Our pastors have nothing like as much material wealth as the congregation.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

In context of the whole Bible without dismissing all the promises of GOD which is spiritual prosperity. Who said God was talking about money in Jeremiah 29:11? That’s man’s understanding GOD is focused on our souls. John 3:16-21 💝

[@mattslater2603]

​@@harryfaber That is b.s, Harry. Frank Turek has millions and millions of dollars. He's a servant for cash... which he receives from gullible rubes who lack critical thinking skills

[@lancedooley7558]

Just so everyone understands my comment. I am referring to more theological and in depth understand of the Bible. Culture, traditions, in that time period among other things.

[@ye4us]

I'm so glad I found this channel years ago. One of the true teachers.

[@lettymartin9836]

May be you can also watch our only Bro. Eli Soriano the proud of the FILIPINO the Filipino world wide evangilist Just search BIBLE EXPOSITIO bro. ELIE SORIANO.. you can learn more n more for this man of GOD.

[@hots4jc]

I have been rich, and I have been poor. Poor is better because then I got to see the hand of God provide for me in ways that were truly miracles. When I was rich, I did not seek His hand because I just took care of things myself.

[@ionceexisted]

😮 ❤

[@rekhak7129]

True v true

[@walkingaroundmoney3361]

It depends on how you respond. In your case while being poor, you had more trust in the Lord which is good. However, if someone puts their trust in the Lord during times of both riches and poverty, then rich is better.

[@hots4jc]

The Word says: “Anyone who desirers to follow Jesus, must walk as He did”.

[@JewandGreek]

Poor is better if you can't keep God first when you're rich. But being rich in spirit and financially rich is best because it will allow you to fund the preaching of the gospel and be a blessing to others.

[@JewandGreek]

So God's will in the OT was prosperity, and the streets of heaven are paved with gold, but in the New Covenant we're not provided anything except for eternal life? Even though our covenant is better than the old one? (Heb. 8:6) God doesn't change. If His will in the old covenant was prosperity there's no reason to conclude that prosperity isn't His will in the new. Psalm 1 says that the man who finds his delight in the law of the Lord will prosper in whatever he does. Does Psalm 1 still apply? What about all of the verses in Proverbs that say riches and honor come with wisdom? Is Proverbs obsolete? And for the record, the context of 2 Corinthians 8 was money.

[@levihockey2652]

He gets this wrong from the very start. The context of 2 Corinthians 8:9 is financial as that chapter is all about giving generously. Why do people think that God doesn't care for us in our earthly lives at all under the New Covenant?

[@walkingaroundmoney3361]

Bingo

[@patrickpelletier9298]

Give us this day our daily bread This doesn’t mean make us wealthy, it means give us what we need to survive.

[@hots4jc]

Amen!

[@stevepierce6467]

And even so, millions of believers go to bed each night without even their most basic prayers being answered. Oh, that's right, they were never REAL christians! What a crock!

[@patrickpelletier9298]

@@stevepierce6467 what defines a real Christian?

[@stevepierce6467]

@@patrickpelletier9298 You expect me, a non-christian, to define what a real christian is? Among "christians" themselves there is no agreement. Do they follow the position of Origen of Alexandria, or Melitius and Arius, or Athanasius, or Donatus, or Bishop Alexander, or Eusebius, or the quarreling bishops who wrote the Nicene Creed, or whom? I can't make head or tail of their divergent opinions. My old Methodist Church is breaking apart for some triviality; which ones are the true christians? There are hundreds of splinter sects and each one claims to represent the one true faith. They can't all be right, and just possibly they are all wrong! So you tell me,

[@patrickpelletier9298]

@@stevepierce6467 well, a simple definition of Christian is believing that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. But a more exact definition, is one who adheres to the Doctrine of the Early Church, Found in Catholicism. those 'quarreling bishops" did come to a consensus about what they believed, and set forth the Nicenan Creed, which was in response to heresy.

[@hots4jc]

Phil. 4:11. “I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

[@jeremycruz7061]

I just want to clarify that the gentleman was talking about the covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob not under the law, and according to scripture we are Abraham’s seed if we belong to Christ. Gal 3:29

[@evernechatman1590]

Yes thank you

[@wesleyjakesta4095]

God will prosper you in every area

[@JohnLucas1981]

@@HUNTSMARTFASTHARD Cause every good gift is from God, we create nothing by ourselves no matter what we think

[@JohnLucas1981]

@@HUNTSMARTFASTHARD I hope I can explain this in a way that will help you - God is sovereign (Controls everything) so whatever happens to us God allows to happen, even the “bad”. God is in Control cause He gave us everything we would ever need to build cars and all you are mentioning above - so He provided for us and gave the people the ideas and abilities to build it. If He did that all for us we would be lazy good for nothing human beings - it’s like our own Children, we don’t do everything for them but rather let them do things themselves even if they fail or get hurt sometimes. We just have to understand how God works and how everything we have and don’t have come from Him Really hopes this helps you

[@christiaanvanzon2339]

We need to trust God is all seasons! Regardless of our prosperity or the lack of it..❤

[@evansglobal1]

Brothers and sisters, I believe in tithing. I believe in giving. I believe in the law of sowing and reaping. These are all revelations not understood by carnal men, but only discerned by men of the Spirit. The truth about the matter is this: • Tithing is not a mosaic law, it's a deep revelation. Abraham gave tithes long before Moses was born. Giving offerings is also not a mosaic law but a revelation. • Sowing seeds is not unscriptural, as the critics say. The Bible is full of stories of people who sowed in cash or kind and reaped great harvests. Even the scriptures say it is God who gives seed to the sower and bread to the eater (Isaiah 55:10). Whatever a man sows, he shall reap (Galatians 6:7). As long as the Earth remains, seed time and harvest shall not cease (Genesis 8:22). • God is also interested in our prosperity. It is God who gives us power to get wealth (Deuteronomy 8:18). God also wants us to prosper and be in health, just as our souls prosper (3rd John 1:2). Let us read our Bibles and stop criticizing what God endorses. Before claiming that something is wrong, lets read oir Bibles so we dont make mockery of Christianity. As for me, I understand this principle. It has worked for me countless times. That's why we shouldn't listen to these satanic critics who aren't born again. The critics can continue to criticize, and many will be led astray, but not you. Why will you base your convictions on financial prosperity over a video you watched on KZbin produced by someone who might not even be born again or honours God with their lives? Many of us criticize this topic of prosperity because of what we have read or watched online, without searching the scriptures to know what the Bible says concerning it. Most of us are gullible, foolish and easily bewitched by these agents of Satan in the form of bloggers. Be wise and stop believing Satan's cheap lies hoarded by his agents. Let me ask you: Why do we criticize ministers of God who are wealthy? Why do we shout as if they don't deserve to own anything at all? When has it become a crime for ministers to wear good clothes, live in good houses and drive good cars? Is it a sin for a minister to run a megachurch or enjoy their lives? You can already see witchcraft in the statements of these critics. It is only a witch that will desire another person to live a poor and wretched life. And how would you just assume that the preacher makes money from the desperation of his or her poor church members? That statement alone is an insult to the body of Christ worldwide. How dare you say that we Christians are poor? Is it only poor people that attend church? Is it only miserable people that give tithes ans offerings? Don't you see well-to-do people in church meetings? These critics are openly insulting the body of Christ and we are accepting the insults they hurl on us because we are gullible and foolish, right? Lets grow up and end this madness. May God give us understanding, in Jesus name. Amen. Yours in Christ, Evangelist Global

[@free_thought862]

Question. Could you not use the same logic in regards to Jerimiah 29:11, to represent everything that was addressed only to the disciples? One could make the argument off the same logic that the great commission was only meant for the Disciples Jesus was talking to when he said it in Matthew 28.

[@hots4jc]

Remember Jesus said: “How hard it is for a rich man to be saved”.

[@gatallica_]

We must endure to get the crown. No mind can comprehend what God has for us in heaven. That's the promise. He has already sustained us here on earth. We have enough. We have a mind, ears, nose, eyes, mouth, hands, feet, God has given us to work with to earn a living, and to preach the gospel with. Yet these preachers know that the flesh is carnal and they manipulate the gospel to teach their own rhetoric which is false. End times guys. We need to spread the truth more!

[@joshua_eigbe]

Undoubtedly, the Old Testament contains many requirements that no longer apply to us today. However, it is important to note that the Bible explicitly states that Jesus delivered us from the curses of the law, not the blessings. And although God never promised millions that's at his own discretion but the fact is through the mouth of the Apostle Paul, God promises in 2 Corinthians 9:8 that His grace will abound toward us, providing us with all sufficiency in all things so that we may abound to every good work. These verses are not merely speaking of spiritual realities or blessings, but also of real money, as Paul makes clear in 2 Corinthians 8 and 9. He points to the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, who, despite being rich, became poor for our sakes so that we might be made rich through His poverty. It is essential to recognize that these passages are addressing tangible financial matters and not just spiritual blessings.

[@captanblue]

I don't think it makes sense to say that Jesus was rich financially and then became poor. That sounds more like he's talking about his glory and station. Essentially, he humbled himself and bacame a lowly human. Thanks to that, we are rich in blessings.

[@joshua_eigbe]

@@captanblue I don't deny that but reading the verses in context it gives a different results, also all exchanges happened on the cross

[@captanblue]

@@joshua_eigbe I believe, taken in context, there's still no support that Jesus considered us being wealthy as part of Christianity. He even tells us not to store riches on earth, but in heaven on Matthew 6:19. Theres nothing wrong with working hard and becoming wealthy, it's just not something guaranteed by the Bible and not something we should let distract us from the lord, which prosperity gospel does.

[@joshua_eigbe]

@@captanblue he also tells us to give and it shall be given unto us, you're spiritualising what doesn't support your doctrine, common error, context is simple Paul didn't use those words in a bid to explain a spiritual blessing. God promised that we'll have all sufficiency in all things. You can't believe it because you've spiritualised verses that were clearly talking about physical blessings. Jesus said your Father knows you need these things but seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and ALL these things emphasis on the "ALL" shall be added unto you. Although everything from God to us is Spiritual they usually have physical implications.

[@captanblue]

@@joshua_eigbe If you can show me a time where Jesus physically blessed his disciples then I think we'd have something to go on. As far as I'm aware, that doesn't happen. His focus was on the spiritual. When it comes to money in the new testament we're often told not to focus on it and beware greed. We're even told we can't serve God and money in Matthew 6:24. It's obvious that you can be reach and be a Christian, but it's also clear that God wants you do used on serving the lord, not money.

[@bethezebra]

What would be beneficial is to look up the word Salvation in Greek and Hebrew, then read what was going on in context when Salvation was granted to people (look up every scripture that uses that word)... then figure out if Salvation and those definitions and contexts of Salvation apply to today's believers.

[@ClaudiaGarcia-28]

Can you sum it up for me? :/

[@matthewstanger1423]

Hu? You are talking in circles. Romans 10:13 CSB For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.Romans 2:7 NLT He will give eternal life to those who keep on doing good, seeking after the glory and honor and immortality that God offers.

[@bethezebra]

@@ClaudiaGarcia-28 I would suggest starting with a word study of soteria and sozo, the Greek for salvation as used in the New Testament - see where those terms are used and what they mean, ask Holy Spirit to show you whatever you need to see.

[@bethezebra]

@@matthewstanger1423 you're not understanding what I'm driving at - which is not the same thing as me talking in circles. Ask for understanding and you will receive it. 🕊️ Peace unto you. ❤️

[@Adi_T]

Everything in the Old Testament is a shadow of what's to come in the New Testament. All the prosperity is just a shadow of our heavenly inheritance! This is so important to understand!!

[@ramonpooser5992]

Whoa. I understand what you’re saying but there is still implication for all Christian’s. I know the plans I have for you is congruent with before you were formed in the womb I knew you. The verse, Jer 1:5, continues “to be a prophet…” but is this to suggest that the alpha and omega is without sight? Moreover this, Jer 29:11, is a statement about the word and blessings earthly and eternal. All earthly blessings are not money is the better answer. Victorious over MS, having 4 children, still able to work-and run when I feel like it, after 31 years, yes. There are other earthly blessings.

[@Truthinlove03]

Jeremiah 29:11-12 New International Version 11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. The lord gave me understanding of this verse. Jesus Christ is our hope and future. Now we can come to the Father and pray and He will hear us because Jesus is our righteousness.

[@rollingstone3017]

Obeying because one wants/desires riches seems pretty antithetical to loving God. Surely, where your treasure is there your heart will be also.

[@larzman651]

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD JESUS and shalt believe that GOD raised him from the dead thou shalt be Saved 🙌

[@SGOV86]

Romans 10:9.

[@larzman651]

@@jamesoneil1388 I'm not a bot , I'm sharing the gospel of Salvation

[@brianpeterson3884]

@@larzman651 like everyone else you will just be dead.

[@harryfaber]

@@larzman651 For we are not ashamed of the Gospel, it contains within it the power of God for the salvation of all.

[@SGOV86]

@@harryfaber Romans 1:16.

[@icarojose6316]

If you’re church talks more about how blessed you will be, and little about how you should repent, change your church, i would suggest going to the catholic church, but any church that invite you to rethink you’re way of life is already good enough.

[@Kblog777]

I personally believe God can and does make ppl rich. Not everyone however cos for some ppl, great wealth would do them more harm than good. Proverbs 30:7-9

[@Mavors1099]

How does a god make some people rich? Can you name some rich people who got their wealthy from a god?

[@bepreparedforwhatscoming4975]

​@@Mavors1099 weren't you here from many months ago, hating on the message then and still doing the same now..

[@bepreparedforwhatscoming4975]

​@@Mavors1099 if jesus were thur only way to heaven, would you follow him? Yes or no.

[@Mavors1099]

@@bepreparedforwhatscoming4975 your rants are irrelevant, they dont adress my question.

[@harryfaber]

@@Mavors1099 Padre Pio, Bernadette Soubirou, Giovanni di Pietro di Bernardone. That is three to be getting on with. They became rich in all the things that truly matter. After they died.

[@majose7787]

We need balance. Even though prosperity theology is false, the book of Proverbs DOES speak about God blessing honest hard work and how to manage money, grow wealth etc. If a person applies those principles, they may experience an increase of wealth. Not guaranteed since they're principles not promises.

[@lisaproctor7276]

Yes, that's true.

[@Thyalwaysseek]

No it does not, managing money and growing material wealth is called worldliness, go and study what your Bible says about worldliness.

[@TheFberry100]

@@Thyalwaysseek Matthew 25:14-30 says different. There is not ONE passage in the bible that says being wealthy and a good steward with what God blesses you with is worldly. Not one. Stop spreading lies. By your reason, ANY christian who is wealthy is doomed to hell. So if my father dies and leaves me a lot of money where does that leave me? Just stop. The scripture says "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil". Not the money. The LOVE of the money. Do better!!!

[@majose7787]

@@Thyalwaysseek this is a ridiculous concept. If material needs weren't important to God, He wouldn't ask us to pray for our daily bread (representing food but also our material needs as a whole). He also wouldn't make so many references to managing money in Proverbs. There's nothing wrong with this. It's GREED and idolising money that God hates. A godly person who manages their finances well can be generous to the poor and Gospel purposes

[@Thyalwaysseek]

@@TheFberry100 It's obvious you don't know what worldliness is, or maybe you're just lying to yourself.

[@patriciaaharkins9777]

The Bible does say, give to God or those things that God is involved in, then it will be pressed down shaken together and over flowing over. There are a lot of promises in the new testament that connect to the old. We should always examine our motives, let Holy Spirit teach.

[@majose7787]

Passage you quoted is about showing mercy. Not necessarily about finances and giving. Read the texts before and after the passage in Luke 6.

[@SavingSoulsMinistries]

@@majose7787 context context context!!

[@majose7787]

@@SavingSoulsMinistries exactly.

[@patriciaaharkins9777]

It can also be applied to receiving grace because I've lived it. A relationship is what He wants and He says the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth.

[@cisuminocisumino3250]

​​​@@majose7787 that's not actually true, if you look at the context the basic teaching behind it was "give and you will shall receive back." That is God will repay you for your giving, the statement he gave was a general statement which means it could apply to anything, be it mercy, finances etc.

[@auntiemsplace]

Jesus came to give us LIFE, and that more ABUNDANTLY. It's in His Word - John 10:10. The 1st part of that verse tells us what the enemy wants to do, and why we need to speak His Word out loud over ourselves and remind ourselves every day of what Jesus said and did for us, as often as we think to do it - and pray His Word over our families! LOVE, and God bless us all! What I wanted to say originally was that those of us who have received the gift of salvation truly are the richest people on earth - we can count on Him to give us strength to hang in there under whatever circumstance, and we know God can be trusted with anything pertaining to our life.

[@auntiemsplace]

I think what I'm trying to say is - we don't need 'prosperity' in the sense of physical wealth - money and possessions, etc. With God as my Abba, Father, all my needs are already met, including my heart's desire! The LORD IS my Shepherd, I shall NOT want! Freedom is what I have!

[@auntiemsplace]

@jim ster Trials and tribulations are promised to all of us - but we have His strength and are more than overcomers through Christ; we give Jesus our cares and suffering. If ABUNDANT LIFE wasn't available, then Jesus would not have told us about it. It is our job to appropriate God's Word for ourselves.

[@auntiemsplace]

@jim ster Jesus went dumb to the slaughter - He never once pointed out that He was suffering (other than to the Father), although we know He suffered far greater than anyone ever has - in fact, He continued to exhibit LOVE, forgiveness, care and compassion, all the way to his last breath. I was not implying that God will make us wealthy as the world counts wealth, or remove all suffering, although He can and will if and when He chooses - I am wealthy wherever I am because He is with me - He provides ALL my needs, so He is ALL I need! It is God's lovingkindness that draws men/women to Himself. I pray His JOY will spark up in you and refresh your soul, jim ster. In Jesus' name. Amen.

[@auntiemsplace]

@jim ster I LOVE you, brother.

[@drdisrespect5318]

One of my faves, even if the promise was for Israel, God’s heart is shown for His people. He is the same yesterday today and forever.

[@LifeJourney-qp2bc]

The promise is for those who believe in Jesus no Israel 90% of Jews don’t believe in Jesus no promise for them

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Jesus Christ is our blessed hope and future. Prosperity Gospel isn’t false the Teachers are false, we’re spiritually prosperous beyond money. Ephesians 1:3-4 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love”

[@mattslater2603]

Why are you asserting things you can't show to be true? Why are you being dishonest?

[@harryfaber]

@@mattslater2603 Took you 9 hours to say the same thing you always do, thought you must be ill, maybe finally succumbed to psittacosis.

[@mattslater2603]

Reply is hidden Sorry! Must be the will of gawdddddd

[@solomonkahsay9211]

On new testament we can quote Paul was working night and preaching day so as he can't be burden to the believers

[@maximinotovar5798]

Awesome! Thanks for posting

[@podcastwithpastorjesse9367]

There's a BIG reason why preachers don't accept or preach the prosperity gospel. It's because they have no idea what poverty is, or what it means to be poor. They think the prosperity gospel is a way of God adding more money to Christians that is already rich. I'm not going to say more because I doubt if anyone is even reading this. But when you know what suffering is, and what it means to live in constant want, with no hope, you'll understand why there's a need for a prosperity gospel. Until then, you'll always think it's a way of God spoiling the rich with more riches. No, it's not! It's simply God taking up his Fatherly responsibility. It's also God putting an end to the work of sin. Poverty came from sin. Poverty is not, not being able to buy a Ferrari. Poverty mean not having the basic human needs, and not being able to give it to others too. And there are billions of people living in poverty, and in need of help. That's where Jesus comes in with the prosperity gospel.

[@logicalatheist1065]

Christianity has no credibility when there's many different demographics and they can't even agree with each other. They all claim to be right and the others wrong, silly nonsense adults still fight over. 🙄🙄🙄

[@brianpeterson3884]

It’s meant to keep the poor from rising up and slaughtering their puppet masters, the rich and powerful. They would be better off ignoring the fake god and Vive la revolution!

[@harryfaber]

@@brianpeterson3884 Since you used the French, have you ever thought about the Revolution? It was pointless. Within years and after much slaughter, they had a new King, then an Emperor, then a King, another Emperor and if you look at the family names of the people who control much of France, they are the same family names as the people who controlled it before the revolution.

[@stratotega]

Doctor Frank Turek 😀

[@recardooneal9900]

So just because Jeremiah 29:11 was not written to ME does that mean that God does NOT have good plans for me? God wants what is best for me so I disagree with Frank.

[@Thyalwaysseek]

Exactly, just because we have challenges doesn't mean that is not God having good plans for us, in fact our struggles are what strengthens our character and refines our souls. In these times of materialism it is easy for those who do not have strong foundations in their belief in the teachings of Christ to view hardship as punishment instead of as a gift.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Amen, agree with the GOD of the Bible, His promises is for all of His children Jesus Christ.

[@daisiesandpandas1218]

"And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were put to death by stoning; they were sawn in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and ill-treated - the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground. These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect." Hebrews 11:32‭-‬40

[@Mr.biggstrength]

Excellent

[@walkingaroundmoney3361]

Galatians 3:13-14 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree. That the Blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Abraham's blessing was material since he wasn't born again. Through Jesus going to the cross, we have the spiritual blessings in the new covenant, with the material blessings in the old (wealth and riches)

[@cutehumor]

The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil

[@jecos1966]

What sort of love? Romantic, Affection, Sexual, Friendship, Fondness there is more than one, So which one?

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Prosperity is more than just money.

[@Mithridatesquantumtox]

Wealth itself is not evil, it is when your love of money replaces your love of God. A man who loves God will not break God's laws to obtain wealth. The evil man who loves money will do anything to obtain it, like sell his wife's honor, traffic human beings, kill for it, betray for it, take bribes therefore neglecting Justice for it. The man who loves money over God is weak, pitiful and disgusting. He has no honor an should not be admired but detested.

[@jecos1966]

@@Mithridatesquantumtox yeah but what kind of love is used? for the love of money what kind of love

[@Mithridatesquantumtox]

@@jecos1966 Use the process of elimination, we know it couldn't be Eros which sexual, agape with is unconditional I would suggest the third Greek form. But I must admit I am not certain this is an assumption based off what they mean. I have not dug into the Greek of this passage.

[@TheLionFarm]

One of your best

[@mattslater2603]

Wow how bad must the rest of it be if THIS is "one of the best"?

[@hots4jc]

1 Timothy 6 7 For we have brought nothing into the world; and we can take nothing out of it; 8 so if we have food and clothing, we will be satisfied with these. 9 Furthermore, those whose goal is to be rich fall into temptation; they get trapped in many foolish and hurtful ambitions which plunge them into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all the evils; because of this craving, some people have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves to the heart with many pains.

[@isaacvipin]

Agreed, he's to the point. Christianity is not about material success

[@awakenyourinstinctwithlile5330]

So if the Old covenant was for Israel and not Christians, was exodus thru deuteronomy also not for Christians? What did it mean that Jesus said he came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it?

[@auntiemsplace]

What about what Mark 10:29-31 says? I think the point is those of us who truly know and love Him feel the wealth of belonging to the King, Almighty Creator of ALL Things. And He's more than willing to bless us with 'things' as long as things aren't going to do us more harm than good ❤

[@alfarabiikhlas147]

it’s talking about treasures in eternal life as in heaven. previous verses Jesus even said how hard it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. while i do believe that God can bless us financially it’s not the heart of the gospel at all.

[@auntiemsplace]

@@alfarabiikhlas147 I don't understand who you are addressing - I NEVER said that financial blessing is the heart of the gospel. For me, Jesus is the heart of the gospel - and He shall supply my EVERY NEED. I don't need to think about that. I just praise Him and rest in His promises.

[@mikebarnes7734]

If He has the power to give; He also has the power to know what we need. Living in His Will is so little to ask of us; so why are we so calculating?

[@stevepierce6467]

There might possibly actually be a god who knows what we need, but all evidence shows that his response is "So what? Who cares?" There are many truly godly folks living in abject and brutalizing poverty and many crass heathens enjoying splendorous wealth and happiness. It has nothing to do with a god and everything to do with a society engraving its priorities in the law books and tax codes.

[@wafumboisaac3677]

@mikebarnes it's because the current lot of us have itching ears for a certain narrative...deep-seated desires that we need the Bible to stroke.

[@hots4jc]

Luke 1:51 “He has performed mighty deeds with his arm,
 routed the secretly proud, 52 brought down rulers from their thrones,
 raised up the humble, 53 filled the hungry with good things,
 but sent the rich away empty.

[@hots4jc]

Verse 6 “Why should I fear when the days bring trouble,
when the evil of my pursuers surrounds me, the evil of those who rely on their wealth
and boast how rich they are? No one can ever redeem his brother
or give God a ransom for him , because the price for him is too high
(leave the idea completely alone!) to have him live on eternally
and never see the pit. For he can see that wise men will die,
likewise the fool and the brute will perish
and leave their wealth to others. They think their homes will last forever,
their dwellings through all generations;
they give their own names to their estates. But people, even rich ones, will live only briefly;
then, like animals, they will die. This is the manner of life of the foolish
and those who come after, approving their words. Like sheep, they are destined for hell;
death will be their shepherd.
The upright will rule them in the morning;
and their forms will waste away in hell;
until they need no dwelling.”

[@sasukesuite1]

My mom has been sitting on her butt praying that God would move her out of her section 8 apartment. She’s been saying that she’s “moving this year” for the past 21 years. Meanwhile me as a non-believer has gone to school, gotten an engineering degree, and now I make $193k salary as a 27 year old engineer. So it seems like hard work is beating this prosperity nonsense so far.

[@GiftofGrace88]

1 Timothy 6 6 But godliness with contentment is a great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out. 8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with these. 9 But those who want to be rich fall into temptation, a trap, and many foolish and harmful desires, which plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, and by craving it, some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pains. Instructions to the Rich 17 Instruct those who are rich in the present age not to be arrogant or to set their hope on the uncertainty of wealth, but on God, who richly provides us with all things to enjoy. 18 Instruct them to do what is good, to be rich in good works, to be generous, willing to share, 19 storing up for themselves a good reserve for the age to come, so that they may take hold of life that is real.

[@signsofthetimes111]

This is the importance of people with seasoned with spiritual knowledge to make videos of Faith rather than their interpretations. It is according to your faith and How God has blessed your soul. How you can be trusted with little he will reward you in much. Bigger and better promises in Christ Jesus.

[@stevepierce6467]

Utterly meaningless drivel, based on wishful thinking.

[@l_pete_l6501]

Frank, brother, I think you are amazing at bring out certain biblical narratives, but it seems that your take on eternal security and this subject is skewed somehow. Sure, people like Robert Tilton that taught prosperity did it, very obviously, to benefit themselves. That doesn't change the scripture. If the entire bible isn't for me then none of it is. Including and especially the Old Testament, Jesus did away with the law and the following of it has past, but I've heard you declare over and over Old Testament scriptures on morality and that the scripture is still applicable. Why not the parts on God wanting to prosper His people? The New Testament amplifies God's Old Testament intent, "Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers" 3 John 1:2. Sure, God wants our soul to prosper and it needs to for us to handle large amounts of money. God emphasized to us not to love or chase after money. But, His desire to bless and prosper is a promise today. I am a pastor of 42 years. About 25 years ago, God told me while driving down a country road close to town that I would have millions of dollars. At that time I was raising four children and starting a church in a small town. I was tested in my giving, my faith and my love of money. I was unknowingly put in a very rich person's trust that I worked for years ago and 3 years ago that person passed, leaving me a multi millionaire. I now travel and preach in smaller churches where I do not have to have an offering. I have given more money to the church I started than I ever got paid. How is that bad? I Google searched Dr. Frank Turek and it shows a net worth of between $5-8 million dollars. Seriously brother??? And the New Testament has no provision for being wealthy??? There are a lot of people that teach prosperity and giving to feed themselves and use the bible wrongly, but, it doesn't change scripture that clearly shows God prospering people and using wealthy people for His kingdom purposes.

[@walkingaroundmoney3361]

That's a wonderful testimony! Blessed to be a blessing!

[@theelectriciansapp7802]

Yeah, NO. Nice try homie the Bible doesn't teach you will get rich for being good and following God. He will help you when you put the work in yes but God's not your own personal bank that you can deposit $50 into too get $500 back, what an evil way of thinking

[@l_pete_l6501]

@@theelectriciansapp7802 I apologize because of the way this is going to sound but your statement is shallow, massively immature and far from what I said. I never said or implied what you said. I never said God would make everyone a millionaire if they give to or follow Him. My point was, there is a myth in christian circles today that wealth is evil and anyone with wealth is bad, especially if it's a pastor. Show me scriptures where it's unGodly. Sure, it's dangerous if you are not prepared to handle it. That's why the bible warns us of what money and wealth does. With that said, many fall into the money trap that these scriptures are talking about and have very little money. So, these do not just apply to the wealthy. You are wrong in one thing. God is every christian's personal bank. "And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus" Philippians 4:19, plus many other scriptures telling us that our Father will provide for us. If christians would get it in their head that their job is not their source, it's their training ground and God is their source, they'd do themselves a great service.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

To say this isn’t a promise for all of God’s people is to say God doesn’t know the plans He has for His New Covenant children, to not prosper His children meaning nothing good happens to/for His children and will not give us a hope or a future. This promise can apply to Jesus Christ for the New Covenant children. Bottom line all of God’s promises apply to all of His children because He is no respecter of persons that’s bible not man’s understanding. Trust Christ. Jeremiah 29:11 🛡️💝🕊️ “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, to give you a future and a hope.”

[@thomasb4467]

Both the righteous and the wicked can become materially wealthy. God will financially bless who he will. God does not promise you you will become a millionaire if you believe and follow him. God says to deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow him.

[@Abdul_Aloha]

The entire chapter here is about provision (including money) For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich. And this is my opinion about what is helpful for you in this matter Promises in Jeremiah 29:11 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was proclaimed among you by me and Silvanus and Timothy, was not “Yes” and “No,” but in Him it has always been “Yes.” For all the promises of God are “Yes” in Christ.

[@Abdul_Aloha]

God doesn't promise to make every Christian a millionaire but He does promise those who follow Him "shall not lack" A psalm of David (Psalm 23) The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing. He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters, he refreshes my soul. He guides me along the right paths for his name’s sake. Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Surely your goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

[@hots4jc]

Scripture says…”Those who say they believe in Christ,MUST walk as He did”. He had no home. He slept and prayed outside. He had to spend the nights in strangers homes. Even the Disciples following His example said…”Gold and silver I do not have, but what I do have, I give to you freely. Get up and walk”.

[@evansglobal1]

Jesus Christ was wealthy. He wasn't poor. Jesus had a home. He was not broke. He had a treasurer to keep his ministry money. He was gifted with gold, frankincense and myrrh at his birth. Who has gold and is poor? Let's read the Bible please.

[@hots4jc]

@@evansglobal1 I’m sorry you are ignorant of the scriptures. Jesus DID NOT have a home during His ministry. Scripture clearly says… “The Son of Man has no place to lay His head”. The silver and gold the wise men gave Him went to Mary and Joesph. The rich man provided what Jesus needed for His burial. Jesus even said: “How hard it is for a rich man to be saved”. Jesus was taken care of by the offerings of women, but this went to the poor and the needs of His disciples. Jesus would never say “Sell all you have, give to the poor, then come follow Me”, if He didn’t live by His own words. I would plead that you read the Word of God being taught by the Holy Spirit instead of your desire to have wealth.

[@frankservant5754]

God can and does make people rich. On the other listen to prosperity preachers and it doesn't take long to realise why they are not rich because they are blinded by the love of money most are proud and boastful yet they know very little about running a business or managing finances/properties etc. I would even submit that silicon valley nerds are more humble than the bishops in question.

[@festushaggen2563]

The prosperity gospel is false and its teachers are seeking riches from us they tell us to seek from God. Provision for our need is God's promise. Not excess for our greed. Jesus made this clear as written: “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21 He also said, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Mark 10:25 Willing us all to be rich would make no sense in that context.

[@harryfaber]

This is a subject I often contemplate, I confess that I am ashamed that I do little more than contemplate it. It seems to me that while there is one man poorer than me, I should 'share my cloak' with him.

[@captanblue]

​@@harryfaber I wrestle with it too at times. I have to remind myself that I have a family and I'm called on to be a good steward of my money according to the Bible. So I'll help where I can, but often, the best help is to point people to resources they already have available.

[@festushaggen2563]

@@harryfaber The fact that we came into this world with nothing and that we're leaving with nothing puts alot of perspective on the real value of our cloaks and other things. Some soul searching and time spent with God should bring some clarity and hopefully repentance. Better that than to remain in an ashamed state.

[@brianpeterson8908]

@@festushaggen2563 The fact that we came into this world with nothing and that we're leaving with nothing puts alot of perspective on the real value of our cloaks and other things. 🤣With nothing? So food, shelter, parents (for most as you do manage to kill mothers for your god in increasing numbers) is nothing? >perspective on the real value of our cloaks and other things. So the perspective is to kill yourself? or end up in jail. Coats are required to save yourself from frost bite, freezing to death, weather, etc. Clothing is needed so you don't end up in jail. >Some soul searching and time spent with God should bring some clarity and hopefully repentance. Well it's pretty obvious from your greed, hate and narcissism that you don't care for others. > Better that than to remain in an ashamed state. Not surprised you are a degenerate narcissist like many of your religion. Obviously your god doesn't help you be a better person, but then that god is imaginary anyways.

[@SavingSoulsMinistries]

Amen Brother festus!! When I was dirt poor , not a dollar to my name for two years after I came into the faith I was the most in the spirit I have ever been real talk! I never even prayed for financial gain I was so happy just to have Jesus and be in his spirit!! It wasn’t until my dad threatened to kick me out in the middle of winter when I started to worry about finances. I got a job and set out to save enough for a car and computer.. that set me back quite a bit because for the first time I started worrying about things of this world.. I started to think he wouldn’t provide for me if I didn’t do enough. I went through a year of spiritual limbo if you will. But after he provided me with a car and a comfortable savings account I started to harken unto the word again as my source for all things. Glory to God he snapped me out of that stupor !! I have a dear brother who told me to pray for him to receive financial gain even though he has a beautiful house , bmw and what not.. it never sat right in my spirit. Every time I see him he gives me money and does things for me.. it feels like he is trying to bribe God in a sense because he wants to buy 20 acres in a remote part of Montana or Florida. It reminds me of myself when I was in the same state of thinking for that year. God will always provide for his children. It’s a matter of whether you have faith that he will or not … if you’re trying to further your own kingdom your heart is not in the place of truly furthering Christ’s kingdom

[@ray.bailey]

Don’t agree with this at all. To say that the old covenant doesn’t apply to us, or we’re basically being selective in what is applied to us is wrong . The Bible clearly states that ALL scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit. His word also states that I am God and I change not. How is it that you can use scripture from the old covenant to support living today, just not the scriptures that speak on prosperity?

[@Thyalwaysseek]

@Justin Gary The Old Testament applies to every soul today as it did back then, the Israelites are merely given as an example.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Amen, GOD is referring to Spiritual Prosperity Jesus Christ, He’s our blessed hope and future.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@Justin Gary God's promises and warnings especially applies to Christians because they are spiritual Israelites. So says Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, and Revelation. If Christians aren't Israelites, then they have no hope for salvation since Christ clearly stated in Jhn 4 that salvation is of the _Jews_ .

[@Kasuba533]

Thank you. I'm listening to this and thinking, why not just take away the whole Old Testament if things don't apply to Christians? I'm not for the prosperity Gospel but his reasoning is not it at all.

[@SeanR.L]

To this present hour we hunger and thirst, and are poorly clothed, and roughly treated, and homeless; - 1 Corinthians 4:11

[@partlysimpson5154]

becoming rich didn't meant about money, but prosperity like freedom

[@icarojose6316]

God did promise wealth and children to many some people at some time, but what he promised to everybody in any given time is that who ever believes in Jesus, even if dies, he will have everlasting life, Amen.

[@stevepierce6467]

Show me a single example of god, any god at all, fulfilling a promise. All you can show are humans expressing very human wishful thinking about what happens to them after they die.

[@DrDsIT]

@Cross Examined Does the OT context regarding being written to Hebrews and not to NT believers apply to these verses also? Proverbs 10:22 The blessing of the Lord makes a person rich, and he adds no sorrow with it. Proverbs 13:22 Good people leave an inheritance to their grandchildren, but the sinner’s wealth passes to the godly. I ask because I've heard a few messages by a minister named Myron Golden on KZbin and he uses the OT to convey that abundance in wealth is God's desire for believers today. There are several messages that appear he's greedy and promoting greed. One such message is titled High Ticket Sales Price Justification. I'm a business owner and want to glorify God in all I do and make more to provide for my future generations and others today.

[@olagn]

Money is good. The love of money is evil. By the way, 2. Corinthians 5:9 «for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich.» is taking about finances (as well as spiritual). In context you will find that all of chapter 8 and 9 are about finances and the proper way to use money.

[@icecoolguita]

hmm, I agree with you that money is a blessing and the love of money is evil. But I gotta disagree with the context of 2 Corinthians 5:9: Even in this video Frank says "He became poor so we might become rich" is really solely talking about spiritual richness, it's referring to the treasure we now have spiritually. Chapters 8 and 9 is about finances but it's basically telling us to prioritize how to love our neighbors with our earthly possessions, the opposite of prioritizing money for ourselves. I believe the purpose of earthly blessings is to see more of God's grace and we will naturally grow in love for Him. Those chapters are really pushing that's it's all about God, the well-being of others and to prioritize the spiritual because that is true treasure.

[@majose7787]

Wrong. Paul is encouraging the Corinthian church to imitate Christ's self giving sacrifice by giving to another church in poverty. Christ gave up the wealth and comfort of Heaven to live in this dark broken world and die on the Cross for our sins so that we might experience spiritual wealth (e.g. redemption, love, joy, peace, forgiveness and relationship with God). Jesus became poor so that we might become children of God. Its not a promise that Jesus will make us rich!

[@cisuminocisumino3250]

Well said.

[@Thyalwaysseek]

Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” - Matthew 19:21

[@olagn]

@@Thyalwaysseek Yes, the rich young ruler loved his money more than God. The love of money. Why give to the poor? because money will help them, it is good.

[@GeorgeKuruvilla]

What happened to the Old Covenant? Is it written that the Old Covenant is now made redundant?

[@Revivalism23]

Old testament was given to ancient Israel that was living in theocracy.

[@GeorgeKuruvilla]

@@Revivalism23 where is it written it was for the old theocratic Israel? Or is it a convenient deduction?

[@Revivalism23]

@@GeorgeKuruvilla Yes it is important to remember that the Mosaic Law was for God’s covenant people, Israel, living in a theocracy. The Old Testament Law is not in force today (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

[@SamTobo-ck4ee]

I think this teacher has a problem with prosperity, please help me to explain passages in the new testament that talks about prosperity, 1corinthians 16 vs l and 2

[@markb7067]

1 Corinthians 16 1-4 "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: 2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. 3 And when I come, whomever you approve by your letters I will send to bear your gift to Jerusalem. 4 But if it is fitting that I go also, they will go with me." What does that have to do with prosperity? Paul was encouraging Corinthians to give towards the needs of persecuted believers in Jerusalem as he had done on other occasions.

[@ChrissyGotTheCoils]

This is good

[@kvelez]

3:09 Jeremiah 29 11

[@bethezebra]

We have a better covenant.

[@PistisAdelphos]

1 Timothy 6 1Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. 2And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. 3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

[@gracepeace487]

But isn’t the new covenant said to be a better covenant based on better promises? How is poverty better? I’m not a prosperity gospel person by the way. I’m just giving the argument.

[@cisuminocisumino3250]

The problem here is that his throwing the baby out with the bathwater, whilst it is true that what we call the "prosperity gospel" has perversions, prosperity(not just financial prosperity) is clearly part of the new testament, however that isn't to say every Christian is to be rich, we also have examples of wealthy believers in the new testament such as Barnabas, Philemon the Bishop, Lydia, cornelius etc, etc.

[@Thyalwaysseek]

Because materialism is of the world, those who are surrounded by material wealth have less of a chance in salvation, it is actually harder for them to walk the narrow path, remember the camel and the eye of needle?

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Spiritual prosperity, GOD wasn’t and isn’t focused on money only the soul.

[@gagarigabinalayefa3617]

I always tell Christians who pull out the prosperity gospel card, "what will you tell Arab/muslim rich people to convert them if all you preach is Christ came to give us riches? " they are already rich so they don't need your Christ

[@hots4jc]

Psalm 49 17 (16) Don’t be afraid when someone gets rich, when the wealth of his family grows. 18 (17) For when he dies, he won’t take it with him; his wealth will not go down after him. 19 (18) True, while he lived, he thought himself happy - people praise you when you do well for yourself - 20 (19) but he will join his ancestors’ generations and never again see light. 21 (20) People, even rich ones, can fail to grasp that, like animals, they will die.

[@thegreatiam6639]

Not for the 21st century Christian. Unless if we pick and choose.

[@salmonkill7]

Salvation from Sin, and Jesus removing our separation from God, is the richest Gift EVER GIVEN to mankind if we accept it!!

[@brianpeterson3884]

Ages old fraud meant to enrich and give dominance to the few.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Amen 💝

[@jasonnoble7302]

Like a mafia boss creating a problem and offering the solution the same time and calling it a gift as he suggests you pay him for it.

[@brianpeterson3884]

@@jasonnoble7302 never thought of that description, good one.

[@mikeayoma]

God is not against prosperity, he is against covetousness. There is no prosperity gospel. There is only one gospel and in it is prosperity.

[@coolnegative]

When it comes to prosperity, I believe that God does choose to bless some with financial riches, but he does it for specific reasons. Number 1 is to those that he can trust to use the wealth to further the kingdom and to help those who can not afford to help themselves (maybe because if they were financially blessed they would not serve the Lord).

[@jasonnoble7302]

So people suffering in poverty is Gods plan ?

[@logicalatheist1065]

This god is obviously man made LMFAO

[@susanwangerman1232]

If what you say is true then we can't take any promises from the OT personally. I think what you are saying is missing a lot.

[@bradleyhite3476]

Any promise that is directed at people in general or those that follow God still apply to us today, but any promise directed towards a specific individual or community/people doesn't apply to us today. If it wasn't like that everyone would have descendants as numerous as the sand of the sea, everyone would be a king, a messiah would come through everyone lineage etc.

[@sidwhiting665]

@Susan, that is not true. The OT covenant is no longer binding on Christians today... UNLESS it is repeated in the NT. That is why, for example, the 10 Commandments still apply today. Every one of them is repeated in the NT, except for the 3rd (Remember the Sabbath day). God did away with some things, such as the ceremonial law and the prohibition on association with Gentiles, but some things he retained as binding and re-emphasized in a new way. Please study both the OT and NT to understand the concept of the old and new covenant.

[@JewandGreek]

Frank Turek has unhitched from the Old Testament, kinda like Andy Stanley.

[@lamonthicks9555]

Truth

[@jeffphelps1355]

Jesus saved us from eternal damnation. Isn't that enough.

[@blessingeyala4104]

Yes but Jesus wants us to enjoy life on earth as much as we would enjoy in heaven. If that’s his desire for me then let it be so.

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Amen.

[@jasonnoble7302]

No

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Matthew 19:24 "Then Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Prosperity Gospel preachers disagree with Jesus.

[@uyitive]

Top tier thumbnail

[@Pro-j4q]

How could a concept like "prosperity gospel" not be corrupted?

[@terriwhalen3618]

Amen

[@makamanb]

I don't mind the health part, but screw the money.

[@GFPofficiall]

2:32

[@piegros]

Good

[@billyd7887]

Paul said we are grafted in the Olive tree. The Bible is LIVING AND ACTIVE so Jeremiah 29 can ABSOLUTELY be applied to us. Does God not have futures and hopes for us????

[@KBR3633]

I watched a guy from Frisco TX yesterday open up his Bible, he misconstrued, read out of context and led scripture to fit what he was trying to push on his audience. I went to this prosperity preachers page, but the comments were disabled! It's real simple, GOD did not send Jesus to die on the cross for our sins so that this would be our best life. Our best life is in Heaven. The Pastor told his audience that the reason Frisco and the surrounding communities were listed in Forbes as the most prosperous in the nation was bc of his church. So if he's going to take the good and say it's bc of his church, will he also accept the bad that happened in that area, bc his church didn't reach out enough!??? Stop giving to these "car salesman" who preach a distorted gospel! Dominion, Gain, Wealth is not spoken of in present tense. Jesus told us all, the world will hate us for following him. Store up for yourselves riches in heaven, not on this earth! Our best life is not now!

[@strez011]

I’m just trying to understand and get to the truth about what he’s saying: So he’s saying certain things in the Old Testament may apply to us as 21st century Christians and certain things do not? I feel that either all of it applies or none of it applies. I understand his argument that Jeremiah 29:11 is speaking to the Hebrews in Babylon while they were under great oppression. And that we should understand the character of God when we read that but God is the same God in the OT and NT, yes the OT is under law and the NT is under grace but does that mean the meaning changes because it is a different time? I would like to hear other people’s opinions on this Thanks

[@Fubizz12345]

Prosperity Gospel people please consider, parable of Lazarus and rich man. Rich young ruler. Store your treasures in heaven and not earth for where your treasure is, your heart is also. The poor was and deaths of all the apostles in poverty. God is eternally consistent and all that Jesus taught has to be consistent with all of God. Jesus over and over taught that your wealth is in Heaven, and the riches of heaven is not gold but Souls. We are called to shepards of men. Called to dedicate all we have to bringing people the good news, not to store our wealth where rust and decay turn all to dust.

[@thomasharp3246]

Start with being saved. Believe and rely solely on the death burial and resurrection of Jesus for once saved always saved eternal life. Then don't store up treasure on earth why it's a waste. Don't be conformed to this world. It's a struggle sure we want to covet but focus on Heaven eternal.

[@arniekando6846]

Yip. Bible study every day with becoming quite before the Lord (prayer). Although Jesus revealed Himself in different ways to people, even physically he is definitely to be found in the scriptures...

[@jasonnoble7302]

How do you you are saved or just under the delusion of being saved ?

[@thomasharp3246]

@@jasonnoble7302 because the Bible is true. Jesus truly existed etc. What the Bible says is true. If you believe the gospel you can guarantee you're saved because everything else is true in the Bible. Delusion would be believing something crazy and preposterous. All the prophesies in the Bible about Jesus have been proven true. The Jews coming back to Israel and on and on. It's all happened..the Bible is reliable.

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@thomasharp3246 No Everything in the bible could be true and you’re still under a delusion. You could be a non person and the biblical narrative isn’t for you. Or you could be under a delusion that the bible is true. So again How do you know you’re not under a delusion of being saved ?

[@thomasharp3246]

@@jasonnoble7302 well I can tell you assuredly you aren't delusional. You just don't believe the Bible. So you aren't saved simple as that. Good luck to you.

[@hots4jc]

Rich man verses poor man Psalm 33 18 But Adonai’s eyes watch over those who fear him,
over those who wait for his grace 19 to rescue them from death
and keep them alive in famine. Psalm 34:9 (8) Taste, and see that Adonai is good.
How blessed are those who take refuge in him! 10 (9) Fear Adonai, you holy ones of his,
for those who fear him lack nothing. 11 (10) Young lions can be needy, they can go hungry,
but those who seek Adonai lack nothing good. Psalm 14:6 You may mock the plans of the poor,
but their refuge is Adonai. Psalm 115:11 “You who fear Adonai, trust in Adonai!
He is their help and shield.” Psalm 68:11 “…in your goodness, God, you provided for the poor”. Psalm 109 30 “I will eagerly thank Adonai with my mouth, I will praise him right there in the crowd, 31 because he stands alongside a needy person to defend him from unjust accusers.” Psalm 49 17 (16) Don’t be afraid when someone gets rich, when the wealth of his family grows. 18 (17) For when he dies, he won’t take it with him; his wealth will not go down after him. 19 (18) True, while he lived, he thought himself happy - people praise you when you do well for yourself - 20 (19) but he will join his ancestors’ generations and never again see light. 21 (20) People, even rich ones, can fail to grasp that, like animals, they will die. Psalm 41 1 How blessed are those who care for the poor! When calamity comes, Adonai will save them. 3 (2) Adonai will preserve them, keep them alive, and make them happy in the land. You will not hand them over to the whims of their enemies. 4 (3) Adonai sustains them on their sickbed; when they lie ill, you make them recover. Proverbs 13:8 The rich man may have to ransom his life,
 but a poor man gets no threats. Proverbs 15:16 Better little with the fear of Adonai
 than great wealth coupled with worry. 17 Better a vegetable dinner with love
 than a stall-fattened ox with hate. Proverbs 16 How much better than gold it is to gain wisdom!
 Yes, rather than money, choose to gain understanding. Proverbs 19 Better to be humble among the poor
 than share the spoil with the proud. Proverbs 17:5 He who mocks the poor insults his maker;
 he who rejoices at calamity will not go unpunished. Proverbs 20:15 A person may have gold and a wealth of pearls,
 but lips informed by knowledge are a precious jewel. Psalm 37:16 Better the little that the righteous has
than the wealth of all the wicked. 17 For the arms of the wicked will be broken,
but Adonai upholds the righteous. 18 Adonai knows what the wholehearted suffer,
but their inheritance lasts forever. 19 They will not be distressed when times are hard;
when famine comes, they will have plenty. Psalm 5:12 (11) But let all who take refuge in you rejoice,
let them forever shout for joy!
Shelter them; and they will be glad,
those who love your name. 13 (12) For you, Adonai, bless the righteous;
you surround them with favor like a shield. Luke 1:51 “He has performed mighty deeds with his arm,
 routed the secretly proud, 52 brought down rulers from their thrones,
 raised up the humble, 53 filled the hungry with good things,
 but sent the rich away empty. Psalm 34:7 (6) This poor man cried; Adonai heard
and saved him from all his troubles. 8 (7) The angel of Adonai, who encamps
around those who fear him, delivers them. Psalm 52 (7) “This fellow would not make God his refuge,
but trusted in his own great wealth,…” James 1 9 Believers in humble circumstances ought to take pride in their high position. 10 But the rich should take pride in their humiliation-since they will pass away like a wild flower. 11 For the sun rises with scorching heat and withers the plant; its blossom falls and its beauty is destroyed. In the same way, the rich will fade away even while they go about their business. Proverbs 16:19 Better to be humble among the poor
 than share the spoil with the proud. Proverbs 18:10 The name of Adonai is a strong tower;
 a righteous person runs to it and is raised high [above danger]. 11 The wealth of the rich is his fortified city,
 like a high wall, in his own imagination. Psalm 39:7 (6) Humans go about like shadows;
their turmoil is all for nothing.
They accumulate wealth, not knowing
who will enjoy its benefits. Psalm 49:2 “Hear this, all you peoples!
Listen, everyone living on earth, regardless of whether low or high,
regardless of whether rich or poor! Verse 6 “Why should I fear when the days bring trouble,
when the evil of my pursuers surrounds me, the evil of those who rely on their wealth
and boast how rich they are? No one can ever redeem his brother
or give God a ransom for him , because the price for him is too high
(leave the idea completely alone!) to have him live on eternally
and never see the pit. For he can see that wise men will die,
likewise the fool and the brute will perish
and leave their wealth to others. They think their homes will last forever,
their dwellings through all generations;
they give their own names to their estates. But people, even rich ones, will live only briefly;
then, like animals, they will die. This is the manner of life of the foolish
and those who come after, approving their words. Like sheep, they are destined for hell;
death will be their shepherd.
The upright will rule them in the morning;
and their forms will waste away in hell;
until they need no dwelling.” Psalm 52:8 The righteous will see and be awestruck;
they will jeer at him, saying, 9 (7) “This fellow would not make God his refuge,
but trusted in his own great wealth…” Psalm 113 He raises the poor from the dust,
lifts the needy from the rubbish heap, 8 in order to give him a place among princes,
among the princes of his people. Luke 1:51 “He has performed mighty deeds with his arm,
 routed the secretly proud, 52 brought down rulers from their thrones,
 raised up the humble, 53 filled the hungry with good things,
 but sent the rich away empty. Ps. 39 Yes, everyone, no matter how firmly he stands,
is merely a puff of wind. (Selah) 7 (6) Humans go about like shadows;
their turmoil is all for nothing.
They accumulate wealth, not knowing
who will enjoy its benefits. Psalm 72:12 For The Lord will rescue the needy when they cry,
the poor too and those with none to help them. 13 He will have pity on the poor and needy;
and the lives of the needy he will save. 14 He will redeem them from oppression and violence;
their blood will be precious in his view. Psalm 73:25 Whom do I have in heaven but you?
And with you, I lack nothing on earth. 26 My mind and body may fail; but God
is the rock for my mind and my portion forever. James 5 5 Next, a word for the rich: weep and wail over the hardships coming upon you! 2 Your riches have rotted, and your clothes have become moth-eaten; 3 your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat up your flesh like fire! This is the Last Days, and you have been storing up wealth! James 5 5 “You have led a life of luxury and self-indulgence here on earth - in a time of slaughter, you have gone on eating to your heart’s content.” 1 Timothy 6 7 For we have brought nothing into the world; and we can take nothing out of it; 8 so if we have food and clothing, we will be satisfied with these. 9 Furthermore, those whose goal is to be rich fall into temptation; they get trapped in many foolish and hurtful ambitions which plunge them into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all the evils; because of this craving, some people have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves to the heart with many pains. Psalm 113:7 He raises the poor from the dust,
lifts the needy from the rubbish heap, 8 in order to give him a place among princes,
among the princes of his people.

[@bjhcfr]

If the verses in the Old Testament that are not directly addressed to us, (as he shared about Jeremiah 29:11) do not pertain to us, then most of the verses in the Old and New Testament do not pertain to us. Most are spoken to different people. Do you think we should just throw them out like Andy Stanley believes? I do not! The principles are still valid and relevant and do pertain to us today. 🤔

[@markb7067]

No, we don't throw them out. We simply understand they were descriptive, not a universal, eternal admonishment.

[@jordonmoore5177]

I bought a t-shirt recently that says "I can do all things through a verse taken out of context." I have offended both believers and nonbelievers.

[@Arrwmkr]

Perfect!

[@hots4jc]

I was embarrassed for the man who asked the question, though I am glad he brought it up. And to think he has been preaching this false gospel for years. This is what happens to people who look for ways to get or justify the evil in their hearts for money instead of the riches of eternal life in Christ. I hope he repents soon.

[@parisfrancemission]

HOW CAN WE MIX COVENANTS IF ABRAHAM IS THE FATHER OF FAITH MOVEMENT ACCORDING TO HEBREWS. Scripture also states that the stories in the old testament are for our example. Furthermore, he says, the blessings of Abraham have come upon the Gentiles. The more you hate the prosperity gospel the more you despise scripture promises like in the house of the righteous there are wealth and treasures. If only John did not say, I wish that you prosper, and be in good health, even as your soul prospers. Is it money or the love of money that is the root of all evil? Love not the world or the things in the world, what things, like cars, jewels, name brand clothing, etc yet how many of you who have two jackets or two pairs of shoes would give your brother or your sister one pair? Rightly Jesus said, if you going to judge the speck in your brother's eye, first remove the log out of your own eyes.

[@AWalk_with_Christ]

God will provide you money, especially since it is a commandment to be self-sufficient. He will give you a purpose and a calling that you can live off of and serve him if you are patiently waiting on Jesus. It’s not going to happen over night though, and you will always seek Jesus first and those things will be added to you. “for that indeed is what you are doing to all the brothers throughout Macedonia. But we urge you, brothers, to do this more and more, and to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one.” ‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4‬:‭10‬-‭12‬ ‭ESV‬‬ But should we strive to be extremely rich financially? No. Is it ok to be rich? Only if God wants us to be, and it serves his purpose.

[@AWalk_with_Christ]

“And my God will supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus.” ‭‭Philippians‬ ‭4‬:‭19‬ ‭ESV

[@hots4jc]

James 5 5 Next, a word for the rich: weep and wail over the hardships coming upon you! 2 Your riches have rotted, and your clothes have become moth-eaten; 3 your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat up your flesh like fire! This is the Last Days, and you have been storing up wealth!

[@brandnattion4126]

I am worried about how the responder is interpreting text. That is selective reading of the text inorder to find a perfect response. Wealth, health and prosperity (spiritual and material) is a fragment in a vast ocean of salvific benefits. You cannot define the borders of God's grace like the OT folk used to do with regards to the terms of the law.

[@DWJL511]

I’m not for the PG, but wealthy Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were before the Old Covenant of law.

[@markb7067]

True. There's nothing wrong with being wealthy. There's just no universal, biblical promise of material or monetary wealth.