🤔🤯WHY DID GOD CHOOSE JACOB OVER ESAU? ROMANS 9✝️

[@christiansoldier77]

The reason why God chose Jacob is because he was second born . The cultural norm is to give everything to the first born but God is not a respecter of persons or a person's birth order. God choses who He wants to choose.

[@SuzukiCabs]

Esau is evil

[@Mathew247]

The two "nations" in Rebekah's womb were Israel and the Church. The kingdom was taken from them and given to a "nation that bears its fruit". Esau was the firstborn, the nation of Israel (Exo 4 22) Jacob was Jesus who received the birthright and blessing. Esau and Jacob parallel Ishmael and Isaac in Romans 9.

[@Mathew247]

@ChristOrChaos2025 Amen. I have a work out in this "Jacob and Esau two nations and the inheritance"

[@Mathew247]

@@ReformedIndeed76 kindle. if I promote anything here, it gets deleted. Hit the three crosses on the left.

[@larryevans2324]

So that means jacob was undesrving because he was born 2nd? Make that make sense

[@TheRomans9Guy]

Actually, no, just the opposite. The Jew of that day reveled and gloried in the fact that God chose Jacob, the second born. They loved the fact that God went out of the normal way of things to choose them specially, it feeds into their idea that they alone were loved of God. In Romans 9, Paul is pointing out that all people are loved specially by God, not just us Jews, but if you’re so stoked God chose the second born…then based on how you’re acting now, rejecting the messiah and his inheritance of grace, and despising your younger brothers the Gentiles who have come along now and are fully embracing the messiah, then aren’t YOU Jews The ones acting like Esau???

[@breakntruthministries9143]

I disagree. The first 5 chapters of Romans Paul is clearly contrasting the righteous who live by faith and those who don't. Romans 1:16 is the theme verse of Romans which says the gospel is for ALL who believe , Jew first and the gentiles second. Paul is telling his readers in Rome (some being hardened Jews) that the door of salvation is now open to the undeserving gentiles. As Paul is using OT characters to get his point across to his audience of how the promise (Gen.12:2,3) came about (grace through faith) pictures HOW God saves. He then reminds them about Jacob and Esau who both had the same Father and mother unlike Issac and Ishmael who had different mothers. Esau being born first culturally speaking means he should have deserved to be the one chosen to carry about God's promise. But God chose the culturally undersrving Jacob to be the chosen messenger to bring about his promise. This pictures WHO God saves, which is ANYONE who believes. The gentiles were the undeserving one's God decided to give salvation to, which to the hardened Jew seemed not fair because they weren't part of Jewish linage. The Jews were prideful because they were Gods chosen and looked down on the underving gentiles. Jews hated gentiles but through Christ He tore down the dividing wall of hostility (Ephesians 2). Jacob was culturally undeserving who represents the underving gentiles. Esau represents the culturally deserving that pictures the Jews who thought they deserved salvation simply because they were Jewish (Romans 2:29)

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@breakntruthministries9143 wait, you’re disagreeing with me, but then go on to draw the same correlations I draw?

[@breakntruthministries9143]

We may come to a similar conclusion but the way we got there differs. It doesn't make sense Biblically and contextually to use Esau as the positive allegorical example of God saving the gentiles. God hated Edom the nation. Esau was a profane man Hebrews says. Also, you have to take into account that God's promise which comes through unfaithful Israel won't fail (vs.6). Esua was not the chosen messenger to bring about God's promise to be a blessing to all nations (gentiles included). Jacob was the chosen instrument to fulfill God's promise. So using Jacob in a positive sense to paint an allegorical picture is that God saves the undeserving (gentiles) makes more consistent sense than using Esau. Galatians 4 uses Hagar in a negative sense to display the flesh trying to earn salvation through keeping the law while Sarah pictures the promise coming by grace through faith. Romans 9 is contrasting OT characters who represent HOW and WHO God saves.

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@breakntruthministries9143 well, no, I’m not saying Paul is using Esau as a positive allegory. He’s not. Esau is the negative allegory but in Rom 9 he now represents the Jews. The unbelieving Jews (who Paul is thinking of here and their strenuous objections against him) believed they were Jacob and the Gentiles were Esau. Yet the Jews were acting exactly like Esau in the OT story so Paul is pointy that out to them while also calling the Gentiles - Jacob. In Gal 4, yes, Hagar is the negative, fleshly example - the Jews of Paul’s day. Do you not see it?

[@themidwestrequest-xu9rm]

I just know Jacob lied to his father and took advantage Esau. Jacob doesn't sound like his brothers keeper or an honest man really but I like to hear ppls justification for those actions lol