Why did I paint the WORST Space Marine Tank??

[@KyraCinderwing]

It's always a shame when some of the coolest models in the game also have very underwhelming rules haha

[@TabletopTime]

So... So bad

[@TrueInkpoint]

The entirety of admech D:

[@midknight9327]

Theyre cheap and can be played very well by a good player. Certainly not what it was in 9th tho...​@@TrueInkpoint

[@rbleisem]

​@@TabletopTimeCombine this with a Rhino, think Snow-Cat, tractor trailer. Up to you if you make it the trailer or put the wedge forwards and make it the tractor unit. Can be a engineerings unit, can be a troop transport and command unit, can be a tank with anti-air, anything really. As a Rhino Trailer, think Sister Sorita Inquisition Stalin's Organ, here, for a double the fun, yet still relative sane, unit look. Be creative with this platform.

[@setra23]

Cries in Lord Discordant.

[@Bobb5555555555555555]

5:21 when the little triangle piece flew off, you know that happened more than once and you know there was definitely some swearing involved lol.

[@alexanderlambert295]

I like how it cuts right after that to the job almost done. Just enough to feel the frustration in it.

[@Halflifecraig]

I felt this moment too

[@thecdnwanderer]

The box didn't specify WHICH infantry was uplifted at seeing this on the battlefield. With those stats, enemy infantry sigh in relief that they've got this handled! 😂

[@painterpiperspaceman]

😂 Good that those rules make someone smile.

[@jefferymartens6303]

Thanks!

[@TabletopTime]

Thankyou so much

[@user-qg4st8ih1d]

Funnily enough the idea of a vehicle with physically thinner armour having effectively thicker armour is a real thing- modern tanks have an “effective armour thickness,” which is how thick steel (I think) armour would need to be as effective as whatever they actually use for armour (such as depleted uranium alloy, or Ceramite in the case of 40k). So quite often the effective thickness of vehicle A’s armour can be considerably higher than that of vehicle B’s, even if the latter’s armour is physically much thicker. Of course, that has absolutely no bearing on a fictional tank, and as you say visual language is extremely important in a wargame, so I 100% agree that it should have an armour value in game that reflects how thick it looks. Great video btw! Just subscribed and very keen to see more Alpha Legion!

[@CatherinePuce]

Maybe the weak armour is linked to the likelihood to ignite the ammunition. Like the russian tank turret that fly up during the Ukraine war. This jack-in-the-box effect destroy a tank that would be otherwise just damage the tank. They just had a remove the limited ammunition rule.

[@TabletopTime]

All of that is true and makes sense, but makes a little less sense in the context of a space marine tank with roughly the same armor layout and design as other similar space marine tanks. Given its narrative description, it seems really unlikely they're just skimping on ceramite for this linebreaker

[@user-qg4st8ih1d]

@@TabletopTime good point!

[@FathersFigures]

You're facing a huge challenge and instead of giving up you're taking it on. That speaks volume to your collective character. I'm proud of all of you for that.

[@jacksond420]

It’s TABLETOPTIME

[@jacksond420]

Dave did you get your hair done

[@CoolestDudeMyDude]

It is tabletop time!

[@johnfraire6931]

Aww, it looks like a baby Exorsist

[@TabletopTime]

It's kind-of a neat tank even if it looks a bit backwards

[@MrAbraxus666]

Heya Folks, it's me the slow-mo dude from last week. Just yer weekly reminder to watch this video, comment and then rewatch at 0.25% speed! It'll keep the engagement for the channel super high!

[@GrayFirion]

Good call on that last video. Been playing other channels' videos like that as well since I saw, thanks for the catch.

[@Gorthaur42]

Honestly the audio at that speed is... bizarrely interesting.

[@kileyhanson1203]

I didn't catch that last time but I'm definitely doing it now

[@leo2a7dk]

Its a "Sicaran" turning the wrong way around. Silly. I am so glad that you are still here. You have given me so many nice hints, and you are always "funny" to watch. I really hope that things turn out good for you.. Regards from Denmark. Alex

[@TabletopTime]

You know we all thought so too but it's actually a little bit different to a sicaran, very very similar! Thankyou for your lovely comment

[@t.mcgarry4]

It's actually not all that strange for an artillery piece to be oriented that way, and it was something that was done on real vehicles during WW2 (such as the Archer tank destroyer if you're curious). basically it would allow the crew to fall back without wasting time turning around, and also allow them to keep their guns pointing towards the enemy the entire time! which as you can imagine is quite useful for an artillery piece like the arquitor.

[@TheLastOmnitect]

Genuinely glad to hear you folks are doing your best to look for alternative funding methods, becuase this channel is such a comfort for me and my fiance, both of us being big fans. Also, I love that model so much, and yeah, like so many Horus Heresy units theyre... very specialized... often to the point of being useless. Worst case, in 40k it can count as a Whirlwind? 😓

[@magnusmillerwilson]

Dude, I really enjoyed you completely nerd-ranting while painting. It was really refreshing to “get back to basics?” I mean, it’s not that but I can’t think of a better way to put it. Kind of “lo-fi” I guess. I’m also glad to hear people joined me in supporting you guys on Patreon. You’re one of my favorite channels, like top 3, and I hope you last a long time! ❤

[@willowtreedb]

I love to see your videos where you work on personal hobby projects for your own collections. Each of your personalities and passions for warhammer come out and make for a wonderfully authentic watch. Keep it up

[@martinfllan9163]

wow, that purple and orangey red look great together. I think those pigments really make this scheme something special

[@TabletopTime]

They absolutely pull it all together at the end

[@grayhaven451]

Beautiful paint job. I personally hope that TTT is around for years to come.

[@InquisitorKryptman]

Alternate loadout plagueburst crawler.

[@InquisitorKryptman]

And without all the Chaos corruption of course.

[@lemcrossview5358]

This video, for the briefest moment, had me closer to starting horus heresy than any GW advertisement

[@TabletopTime]

The designs are fantastic, it's where people who actually like space marines hang out

[@alanfrize235]

Good to see you again, last video had me really worried. You've given me a lot of good tips for painting my figures (even though I do more historical than fantasy) and am applying them to my new figures.

[@Spark_Chaser]

I get what you're saying about readability from a mode. If you put that on the table, I'd expect it to have Land Raider scale armor. The fact that it's outclassed by a Predator or Whirlwind at a higher cost is sad as heck.

[@nettiestaton2775]

I actually turned on notifications now because I realized this is a 3 day old video when I found it in my subscription feed.

[@gkiyo]

That metallic over the purple looks SO cool. I've got to try that technique with a bunch of colors now, see how it looks with other combinations.

[@vortex594]

For what it's worth, the Grav version of the Arquitor is actually totally usable. Damn shame the Spicula is utter dirt.

[@artursleitans]

For a second I got excited about a flying tank, and then I was disappointed when I realized it was not that :(

[@NigeyWigey]

I love how reminiscent the tank is to a Plagueburst Crawler the death guard use, especially the bombard.

[@RaevenCCA]

after that last week video, this one popped up many times on my timeline. Seems that the algo is loving you again! Best of luck to you guys

[@TabletopTime]

We definitely hope we can keep it that way! Make good videos now, that's on us

[@angus3591]

Great little video guys! The close ups of the build process was really useful, have built heaps of infantry but not many vehicles. Super keen to hear more about the future plans too

[@ClarissaMeyer]

How that tiny triangle bit went flying :D those small changes really added something to the tank. Also really like the small icons you created!

[@DylanOB]

Not sure about anyone else but I'd really love to see more Knights of Avalon stuff. I feel like more Avalon content and Space Bears content would be great! Over time you'd be able to do larger army showcases etc as a result too

[@TabletopTime]

Imagine our horror when the knights of Avalon display fell off the wall and literally all of them broke this week

[@Tectonix26]

​@@TabletopTimecalamity like that can make for some fantastic narratives. If the models are salvageable, they'll bear the scars- and if they don't. It's a very tragic backstory with real-world reflections. Either way, they can rebuild :)

[@Mechmonkey85]

As someone who has been struggling with my first multi-part resin mini recently, I am extremely grateful you kept that tiny bit in the video where a triangle pinged off out of frame when you were glueing the chaos trim to the tank.

[@lefaux7235]

We must appease the algorithm!!!!

[@lexmen1089]

I find it funnier because, this is most definitely an Death Guard Plagueburst Crawler BEFORE the heresy/'papa nurgle's gifts', and its wild that such strong vehicle originates from... *this.* Althought, I dont think this was actually pre-heresy, since it looks so similar to an Sicaran hull my guess *these* were created the same time when the Heresy Armor pattern was created; essentially made to resolve the need for mobile assault guns, the StuG way from WW2.

[@gd1247]

I think part of the problem for me personally is that I love seeing you guys undertake massive projects, and normal kits and such a bit less because I have enough of that in my daily life, but those big projects are also the videos that are the most time consuming and expensive to make. Tricky situation but glad to hear that things have improved somewhat!

[@TabletopTime]

100% - everyone wants to see a video that took a month to make, and we don't blame them, but we can't make a video that takes a month every week

[@gd1247]

@@TabletopTime Yep, and that's obviously through no fault of you guys, you likely can't only publish monthly, competing with the almighty algorithm and output expectations. Regarding this video, I liked seeing the kitbash additions to the existing model, that already spices it up for me and gives me some inspiration. I'll endeavor to keep up with the new vids in the coming period!

[@RatBasterd]

​@@TabletopTimeYou just need to order a few extra Murrays from the factory. 😉

[@aidan-h3p]

I love the arquitor, it looks so advanced yet familiar, like Heresy vehicles should.

[@Hukahey]

Ha ha I am sure all your dads are extremely proud of you all. Fantastic to see the support from your community so hope to see lots of cool videos and YES another kickstarter. The space bears were so dope! 👏👏

[@TabletopTime]

That's very lovely ❤️

[@adamstephens5964]

So I have never heard or seen this group, then MK made his video of you guys and BOOM 💥 here you are on my feed! Good luck to the team!

[@RtxtDriver]

Totally agree with you with the visual language of the miniature lining up with the rules being super important!

[@Jandalf430]

I wish you all the best. Discovered your channel a few months ago and binged all your content! This morning, I signed up for your patreon to help out a bit. Good luck!

[@RatBasterd]

The custom modeled logo is so slick! I've never played Warhammer in my life nor painted a single kit, but I'm always down to watch Dave's rants and fantastic customizations.

[@gamerfoxarts9331]

I love seeing these videos even though I am a outside fan of warhammer looking in i think it is super cool. I love hearing about the rules and lore and seeing your passions (also don't forget people to watch the video a second time on slowest speed in a tab to boost it through the algorithm)

[@chahirotsunaki3792]

I'm so glad to hear things are moving in a positive direction for you guys! Love the added 3d modeled bits! Something I'm curious to see you guys try since you're already very familiar with pigment powders is soft pastels. I've noticed a lot of cross over in hobby materials in different customizing worlds (doll/model horse) and most of them use soft pastels to achieve a softer more lifelike look to their skin tones and furs. I'd be curious if it would work on WH scale models.

[@cathaldus765]

Really cool 3D sculpts, doing more simple conversions with 3d prints like this would be sick.

[@TabletopTime]

I think I'll be incorporating 3D bits a little more, especially for my alphas

[@MaccusWellMinis]

amazing stuff gang, hoping that this channel stays up since its some of the best produced content for warhammer

[@TabletopTime]

That's so nice for you to say thankyou

[@joshmortimer3831]

love how you 3d printed a logo and put on the side... it was great to see the process and the final paint job.

[@soapy5365]

I can't see myself ever getting into Horus Heresy, but I love love love how all the tanks look - really cool paint job on this one !

[@TabletopTime]

Thankyou glad it worked on a vehicle for sure!

[@Bloodthirstier]

I like how the "chaos trim" on the tank involved straightening the guns of the tank

[@anoriginalzero3107]

I know a kindred spirit to the Tau Sky Ray Missile Defence Platform when I see it, the limited ammo rule and only hitting on 6s (unless you were shooting at something painted with markerlights) combined with the fact that the kit had all the parts to build a Hammerhead with the infamour rail cannon meant that the Sky Ray never saw the table until the 9th edition codex when they got rid of those issues

[@peterkantor9494]

Are those 3d print layer lines from the prototype used to make the mold?

[@TabletopTime]

Yep - Terrible isnt it?

[@bloodzyAU]

Great to see you giving it some love and such an awesome paint job. My one big special FW kit is my Acastus Knight Porphyrion, purchased in 2017, spent ages building and painting, its 2024 and has yet to be used in a game haha, i just loved the look of it and wanted in as a centrepiece to my house Cadmus army, the rules and point cost have always been an issue with it. Its been featured on a few of my kill team boards for something cool and though i dont technically use it, just love the model.

[@TabletopTime]

The big knights and titans do look amazing looking over an army

[@dm74691]

Visual identity is so important for models, especially big expensive ones. The rules definitely don't match the appearance here. Really love what you did with the model though!

[@tragicthegarnering3619]

In it's defense, tanks in the current edition of 30k do just feel bad compared to walkers.

[@Frosty4427]

The squid motif is so cool. Love how that looks against the metallic purple.

[@Half_of_The_World]

The arrangement of rockets reminds me of a Matilda Hedgehog infantry tank from WWII

[@RobespierreHadItComing]

This is great content. Talking about the love of a thing and creating a thing. Creation is always really cool and doesn't always need to be the hugest thing.

[@TabletopTime]

Thankyou! We are working towards improving our content moving from the step by step to the WHY we care about a project and it sounds like it hit

[@nakenmil]

Several ways to fix this, imho: - Just run it as something else. Seriously. If Games Workshop screws their customers over in terms of playability, we owe them NOTHING in terms of playing along with their stupid fucking rules. WYSIWYG sounds good on paper until you start thinking about it a little more and it devolves into GW just sucking money out of its customers as they make model after model obsolete and feeding into FOMO and ultimately making the game less approachable for new players or players with less disposable income. - Use it in narrative play. A lot of old Forgeworld units were either godawful and pointless or they were stupidly overpowered or just broke any sense of scale. BUT, using them in narrative scenarios can be a lot of fun, especially if the scenarios are asymmetrical or something. - And of course, the old chestnut: never buy units because they're powerful. Buy them because you like them. Already a win here!

[@TabletopTime]

For sure! If I was stressed about using it I wouldn't have wasted my time painting it - I painted it because it's cool and I like it!

[@jamesespinosa690]

Or you could just modify the rules slightly so that it's a viable choice .. It either needs increased range. Or it needs more speed and durability so that it can realistically survive long enough to get into position. As it stands, it's too slow, to soft, and has too short a range. The exact same problem it had in 1.0.

[@-nope3030]

Or don't pay their prices and print 😊

[@Grandwigg]

I wonder what good alternatives to Games Workslop rulesets have decent adoption. I haven't been able to get into any local gaming shops since I mixed to another state to see what's being plates around here

[@---we1ok]

@@Grandwigg It varies so much by local scene. Best option is probably to try and host your own "learn this cool game!" event at your store.

[@BlackHoleEye]

You don't need to use epoxy for this tank. The track units have huge contact surfaces and are not load-bearing. I Titan's arm or shoulder socket may need epoxy, since it's working against gravity, but the track units do NOT need epoxy. Just lightly sand the contact surface to rough it up, and thick super glue will be more than enough

[@timothyguill1072]

Keep up the good work TTT! Your videos are some of the best 40k content on the internet.

[@geneveveklug2251]

Im so happy that you guys are still going to be around I love this so much❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@JoeFlamenco]

Hey, I love you guys enthusiasm and honesty, you’re not hawking products, but showing love for the hobby itself. I’ll always support you. However, I do want to see the space bears drop ship video!!!

[@Mr_Waffle.]

Rules are temporary, models are forever! (until they're not) looks awesome though!

[@Frozenkoldfury]

Glad to be of support. I've signed up on the Patreon as of the last video, and I'm here to stay. You guys do some of the best content out there and I will suffer torture at the hands of Drukhari before I see your hard work unrewarded

[@Frozenkoldfury]

And speaking of Drukhari, can we get some more of Jenn's cool Drukhari?

[@blueberries4u275]

You give me the will to live keep it up!

[@TabletopTime]

High praise, keep going!

[@2dola]

Damn thats thick, the 'THUNK' when it hit the table

[@TabletopTime]

Resin tanks are SO heavy, and the paint rubs off them easily when handled too, need a good topcoat

[@AlFrank-g5t]

Great video, love these ones and hoping for the best long term

[@christopherbarnes1358]

Thanks! Great video, Motivates me to work on my primed chimera sitting on my shelf

[@TabletopTime]

Thankyou for your tip! Glad you enjoy it, good luck with the chimera! Tanks can be a joy to paint

[@joelarem8445]

forge world exclusive+horus heresy exclusive+dog water stat line really makes sense on why I've never seen this before. No wonder you got it second hand lmao

[@andrewhallock2548]

Thank you, TTT, for making such fun and enjoyable videos!

[@healurself2492]

thank you for the tip to wash the resin bits! just picked up Sammael and i would have been sad to see the paint get ruined.

[@MrPumpkinsss]

I really want to make an armored company of guard with as many weird forgeworld tanks possible. I think that would be really fun to play, but probably not very good.

[@TabletopTime]

Oh yesss so many great guard fw units

[@RedRam_Menhtrol]

If you guys haven't seen it yet then Majorkill uploaded a video talking about you guys situation and giving his thoughts and some suggestions that you might want to give a watch... 😊

[@TheAlmightyfoon]

We were talking about it on discord, they've seen it.

[@TheSaltyScarab]

Keep these amazing vids coming guys, I really fucking love this channel!

[@sirrobert1962]

Glad you decided to build this model even though it isn't good in game, it looks very cool.

[@danielhenderson8000]

I adore the Acquitor tanks, such a cool chasis and a unique set of artillery. Shame about this variant, but hey, your model looks gorgeous! I do love what you've done with the Alpha Legion and I always love seeing more personal armies and projects, makes the hobby space feel a good deal more lived and loved in. Keep up the awesome work!

[@felipealbu]

Awesome paint job, and incredible logo that you did. Keep the excellent work!

[@Parabueto]

Perfectly cool to paint stuff you think looks cool. I'm building a 4th/5th edition Eldar corsair/exodite army at the moment and got a bunch of princes on gryphons that I'll never actually be able to play but they look cool. I enjoy painting and converting them which is the important part.

[@TabletopTime]

And they look great in an army lineup

[@splurg123]

*Puts on Dad voice* "I'm proud of you son."

[@xc_OuMa]

I painted some loyalist Alpha Legion with a similar scheme and it looks fire!!! Purple undercoat, drybrush gunmetal to silver then a thin Akhelian Green coat. Was also very curious if it'd work on bigger models and this video answered my question! Looks amazing!

[@TabletopTime]

Yessss!

[@seanmalloy7249]

Given their intended application -- model railroad and aircraft, where you have tightly-spaced rows of rivets, they may not be suitable for 40k vehicles (and may be too dainty for use, even when cut into singles), but both Micro-Mark and Quinta have 3D rivet decals -- decals printed with rivet detail that is raised texture, not just a flat marking.

[@Grandwigg]

Always love a good painting and personalizing project.

[@nikolailic-y2e]

Love you guys ❤️

[@gkiyo]

God damn, the final product looks incredible, too. Makes me want to buy this heinous, unplayable block of FW resin.

[@TabletopTime]

Thankyou it was a treat

[@TheGraveKnight]

Probably should've said this earlier but your guys' channel is what got me to take a bit more interest in 40K (not quite a rabbit hole, it's a bit too depressing even for me) and come up with some fan factions. I currently use Heroforge as I don't yet have the artistic talent I need to bring my ideas to fruition but wanted you to know that you guys are what made me give this kind of thing a shot

[@TabletopTime]

Thankyou, that's lovely to hear! It all just takes practice and we wish you luck

[@TheGraveKnight]

@@TabletopTime Thanks, for context one is the Sun Dragons (White Scars chapter based around samurai and bushido, with some fallen ones turning to Khorne and donning Oni-like visages) and the other is the Legion of Fortune (too much explaining to be done for this one so I'll leave as wandering space biker mercenary gang)

[@BelIa42]

So glad to see the support is helping :) I personally have no interest in tanks whatsoever. It was still a very interesting and enjoyable video to watch! Your critique makes total sense to me. There is a disconnect between the actual model and what its supposed to be. Also, great paint scheme :) Also looking forward to whatever Jenn is cooking up :D

[@fableandfiction]

Hey there! So i found you guys again after seeing your nerdforge collab! I would absolutely love it if you guys did a basics video? I don’t really play warhammer however i do a lot of intricate painting and would love to know more about your process of painting your miniatures !

[@SnowImp]

I love your Alpha Legion paint scheme and being able to use them in two times. The tank looks great for a model that won’t see any use.

[@guleri]

Great paintjob on the tank, shame it will probably spend its entire life on a shelf instead of on the gameboard. LEt us hope it gets better rules sometimes in the future.

[@lb7564]

Love the paint scheme, the logo and lore!

[@ryanbrown8094]

Pointing out that HH has been more static a game has me making eyes at my unfinished Imperial Fists

[@graefx]

I've always heard printing thin flat objects like that straight on the bed is a nightmare. Well done. The trim is clean. If I didn't watch you put it on I'd never thought twice about it just being part of the mold. I will say I've gotten disinterested in rules. I like the world and flavor, so I just want cool models that are fun to hobby with. I treat 40k like basically gundam kits. I want models that expand the world and fun, fleshing out not just my collections perceived combat ability but also just adding flair for the other menial roles. Which reminds me I need to get some Jokaero before theyre permanently gone.

[@TabletopTime]

It wasn't the wisest but I didn't have a better idea and wanted it quick. The only problem is it over exposes and blooms the first few layers out which makes the detail and form less crisp

[@RiddleportRain]

Wow this is awesome! I'd play it just to play a tank painted like that. Amazing job!

[@Writh811]

I will never get over how much I love Dave's Alpha legion paint scheme. It is soooo cool. Non-coloshift Colorshift FOREVER!!!!!

[@TabletopTime]

That's very kind thankyou

[@nerdinebe]

Woof, that paint scheme looks so fantastic.

[@insanitysektor]

I'm glad to see TTT back in my feed

[@mattaffenit9898]

Glad to hear things are a bit less dire. Glad to see a much maligned (rightfully) vehicle get some love, too.

[@acledfloyd]

The custom logo is so good. Great work!

[@ObscureLego]

Its so derpy! I love it.

[@TheSteve_42]

So glad you guys are still carrying on! ❤

[@carsonglenn1389]

I really love Dave’s armies especially for some reason. I can’t really put a finger on it, but something about them really resonates with me for some reason.

[@paulmiller6431]

Really amazing paint-job, paint scheme, and customizations :)

[@Omni8716]

Never even heard of this tank, do think it looks pretty geeat though

[@TabletopTime]

Thats why I wanted to share it - lots of people probably didn't even know it existed

[@billdefranza4927]

Same here. It's really cool looking! I agree, it looks like it's hard as nails. And even though I kind of hate when the newer things are OP, for a special Forge world model, you'd expect it to perform well in game. Whatever. Great vid!

[@dominicgibson3010]

Love the explanation of your scheme and Legion is likely the only book that makes me feel anything for the enigma of Alpha Legion

[@Uncle_Anthoni]

I love the hours heresy content. It's such a cool and fun (and brutal) game with some really awesome game mechanics. It has all the flavor of older 40k with its own gameplay style.