Why did I put Mechanical Fingers on the Bass?

[@Wintergatan]

Once in a while the systems spawns an E-level hunter that can both hide its abilities and level up It is unlikely it´s me, but time will tell.

[@dreams277]

Ти гений 👍👏🇺🇦

[@kirga4914]

Iunderstoodthatreference.gif

[@BookGuy1]

Never thought I'd see solo leveling and wintergaten in the same video 😂

[@pyhkim]

lol Martin = Sung Jin-Woo now?

[@Atomic4now]

Did not expect this reference lol

[@MediocreHexPeddler]

Theoretical Design Dragon isn't real. It can't hurt you. Theoretical Design Dragon: I am theoretical, and my capacity for harm therefore limitless.

[@OldSoulClimber]

*Theoretically limitless

[@Qardo]

Limitless theoretically@@OldSoulClimber

[@DanielMReck]

For the record, "tinkerer" is not a slur nor a dirty word. It is the description of someone who approaches learning a system by making a series of changes to the system, observing the outcomes, learning from them, and using the new knowledge to inform the next round of changes. Otherwise known as... applied science. Engineers are applied scientists. So you're right on track, Martin.

[@zloidooraque0]

altho it is not _otherwise known as applied science_ you make up definition, whan to tie it to the end "answer" and even in that you fail.

[@oweno3703]

the only difference between tinkering and engineering is writing it down

[@Schmidtelpunkt]

@@oweno3703 But also a great deal of smugness.

[@pvic6959]

my dnd tinkerer wears the name with pride

[@TofuBug24]

I call that iterative engineering. Start somewhere, ANYWHERE. Then Run. Observe. Adjust. Repeat.

[@Sockpuppe]

The reason that I watch Wintergatan isn't because of design, nor the novelty of a Marble Music Machine, but simply because of the problem solving aspects. It is fascinating to see how different people (specifically makers) tackle problems differently, and to see what parallels I can bring into my own world. Theoretical design is no different than actually building the machine, except for the ability to save time and resources used when building the dang thing. Theoretical design is just the design process without the building. You got this Martin.

[@creageous]

I like to watch a genius at work.

[@PaintedPapaya]

I think a big reason why that first big video captured so many hearts and minds is because it felt like you were playing it. Pulling the levers, turning the crank, playing the bass, manually dropping the marbles for the breakdown, it all looked so complicated and interesting. You are the show and if your only interaction with the machine is a foot pedal then it almost feels like it might as well be a motor instead since the machine just becomes a backing track. Would it be possible to just make the interactive bits more ergonomic?

[@Jaschan]

I agree with this

[@minerscale]

If you free up playing the bass you can do other more important things, it'll still look cool as hell. It'll just look different

[@izanefe4231]

every one of the concepts of the machine shows a lot of levers that martin can play with to customize the sound of the machine, I hope he actually retains those for the final product

[@bennspray]

Agree

[@sqekyy]

Agree - especially the Huygen drive, it takes away the rhythm and the expression - changing from 67bpm to 80 throughout a song is a way to add your mood to it, not a problem! Otherwise you might as well pedal to raise a really big weight (or charge a battery) before the concert, and let it run itself - if you don't even need to pedal in time

[@djshaggy2278]

Everybody forgets that this is the machine Martin wants to TOUR THE WORLD with. He is a performer; and he wants his performance to be great. Some of these comments about individuals being “disappointed” about where this project clearly don’t get the dream. I cannot wait for the day I can watch a live performance of Wintergatan & this amazing creation because I know it’s going to be incredible. I respect the hell out of you Martin and I dream to be as great of a human as you. CONQUER THAT BEAST!

[@marcoanghinetti7938]

I was going to agree 100% but then I remembered one detail. What made the bass cool was not you playing an instrument while governing this mystical machine. Instead it was you and the machine playing the same instrument TOGETHER. Making it so that not only the machine is dependent on you powering it, but your playing is dependent of the machine doing it's magic. That's at least what I feel about it, so not quite 100% convinced here but I'll trust the process

[@davidmerriken313]

Don't worry, Martin's idea of the "World Tour" involves an entire BAND playing alongside the Marble Machine.

[@ZatGaming]

Keep in mind this isn't just going to be a music box that he's cranking on to keep it playing. There are going to be tempo controls and channel mutes and such that he's going to be manipulating in real time. So he'll definitely be doing things, it's just that the marble machine itself will be the instrument he's playing.

[@NeonNijahn]

​@@davidmerriken313I just pictures an eldritch horror monster marble machine with the musicians integrated into the components.

[@Imperial_Squid]

​@@davidmerriken313playing alongside the machine and playing the machine aren't the same thing though. The less links (both abstractly speaking and very literally in terms of number of hands/feet on it) there are between the human and mechanical elements, the more the mechanical loses it's charm imo

[@xMartinmartiNx]

At this point, I don't understand why he just doesn't power the thing with an electric motor.

[@Cyoor]

What I am most worried about are the following things: - How many mechanical fingers do you aim to put there? 92? - Will the mechanical fingers + marbles have a whole programming wheel for itself? With like 96 segments? - Will you be sure enough about all of those mechanical fingers that it wont take a day to set up the tension right when you are on tour? - Will they be prone to breaking or not working correctly and will the high number of fingers make it likely enough to happen at least once every tour? I think that the complexity that you are introducing here to get a specific sound might have a high cost. Is this "Good enough" or is this a feature that can be scaled down? Playing 10 instruments while operating the marble machine might not be the best thing regardless?

[@lasskinn474]

tour?

[@Cyoor]

@@lasskinn474 Guess I meant performance during the tour :)

[@coin777]

Year 2045 Martin: Why did I make the marble machine sentient?

[@cheeserdane]

It keeps yelling at me "tighter! TIGHTER! "😅

[@laurenpinschannels]

year 2072 martin: "why all marbles are sentient🤯"

[@miyamotomusashi6450]

I didn't expect Martin to be so into solo leveling.

[@fortierma64]

“ …absolutely zero fear of making mistakes…” this is actually the best disposition for one to learn. Fear not and try.

[@80211Denver]

Not long ago, you realized once again that the machine has to fun Tinkering for us... and you, is fun and interesting, and rewarding. please don't stop

[@Yous0147]

I'm the same as you, every fiber of my being just stops functioning whenever it becomes about planning something. Design decisions, brainstorming, generating prototypes, all of that is fine, but as soon as it becomes planning my brain drowns. I've never been able to fight this or circumvent it other than by simply taking things step by step and accepting that there will be lacks in my approach along the way and try and use that to my advantage. There's only one thing I've found which has genuinely helped me deal with planning, and that is working with someone who enjoys doing it and through them makes the process a joy to go through.

[@PneumaticTube]

It's always encouraging for me, watching you talk through your problems.

[@corbingrubb5307]

I had a NASA internship this last fall and had to define some design requirements, and i learned it is helpful to think about how you VERIFY that the requirement is met. It is impossible to VERIFY that the machine ‘plays tight music’ without precisely defining what ‘playing tight music’ means. By creating a definition and assigning a testable quantity (eg. standard deviation is less than X or tempo varies by less than X bpm over Y minutes), you have a rigid baseline with which to assess the performance of the machine and its systems, and a fixed definition of ‘good enough’ that keeps you from chasing perfection. I’m glad you’re facing these theoretical design challenges head on and I can’t wait to see how the project advances!

[@nicolo7637]

Hey Martin ! I'm a french engineering student and I love watching your videos to learn english, in particulary the mechanical vocab. Thank you for all your work !

[@wakimaniac]

I see you flexing the editing, Martin. That video in front of your shirt but behind your hands/guitar and cap. I noticed. Good shit.

[@ZenOwl]

Be proud to be a tinkerer! Tinkerers make the world go round.

[@miltonthecat2240]

As a design engineer, I have immense admiration for talented "tinkerers". Training and experience, along with modern CAE tools, can turn any moderately talented person into an acceptable engineer for new product development as part of a large corporate team with diverse talents. Engineers beat problems into submission with immense and intense and time-consuming attention to detail. Engineers produce design documents that can be used to build something in a reproducible manner. Talented tinkerers produce functional creations of elegant beauty, with little sacrifice necessary to the god of reproducibility. I enjoy KZbin videos from a number of tinkerers, but only a couple of engineers, who also happen to have a talent for tinkering. Engineering, if done properly, will be pretty boring to an outside observer. Watching a tinkerer is like watching Bob Ross paint a canvas. Watching me do my job would be like watching paint dry.

[@VWrijder77]

Bob Ross: Maybe a happy little bass guitar lives here. We take some Phthalo Green...

[@musicbro8225]

Elegant beauty. I love that. And that bass playing while not a consistent tempo or many other thing, was, elegant and beautiful!

[@livinlikelarry395]

Sounds Good. So excited to see this project come to fruition.

[@mikeclarke3005]

Musician? Musical guinness, engineer, composer, etc. seems to understand not only the artistry with music composition but the science of the sounds, the engineering of producing, just brilliant.

[@SystemGlitch]

Can we talk about the Solo Levelling references here like what the actual frick

[@narffran8151]

Yes My Liege

[@navehkamai4888]

Caught me so off guard

[@EskoLuontola]

Out of all those, the "final dragon" should be the easiest to kill. Just ask Sung Jinwoo.

[@GreenSkyDill]

I half expected it to be a surprise Raid Shadow Legends ad lmao

[@MorningDusk7734]

I had to pause and come down here to see if I was actually seeing what I was seeing

[@solitaregames]

broh, i am really glad you still working on this project. I remember the first marble machine. Seeing the new one finished and now being improved brings me a smile to my face. I also hope you replay the old marble machine song in the X machine.

[@darkiee69]

Tinkerers in sheds all over the world have made some amazing machines, so don't diss the tinkerer just because you don't understand his ways.

[@201bio]

The Industrial Revolution was built on the backs of tinkering vicars in their back sheds.

[@Squant]

One of them made a marble machine. Twice.

[@lenyastark19]

That was a nice explanation with the fight against the dragon and the minions 😂. Liked that

[@SquigglyTheAsianPotato]

I find this machine so fascinating that ive forgotton how many years its been since you started working on this

[@solsang]

Thank you for making the bass play!!! I have always felt bad about the non-functional bass, and to me the machine always felt half finished when it couldnt play without you being cramped into it and pressing the cords. I was every time thinking that either the bass should be fully part of the machine or you should simply have the bass in your hands and play freely, now i relax and enjoy the progression, even looked at the old patreon page just today, feels good to be able to support :)

[@cavemann_]

I love how this version of the Marble Machine is turning into an engineering and artistic sculpture. It's totally impractical and unreasonable, but I love art like this.

[@ferenckozar5898]

Köszönjük!

[@Ammoniummetavanadate]

You just have to get in there and do it. You start with some small part and then once you get a feeling for the project you step back and plan things. In my industry we call it "scoping tests" I get in the lab and do freeform experimentation to find the beginning of a solution. Then I step back and start doing formal process design and planning as well as the opex and capex.

[@BrandonGraham]

There is a charm and a sense of awe when we see you physically manipulating the machine. If you were standing in front of it playing a different instrument, the machine takes a back seat. Our attention is divided. I hope you will reconsider, and address the ergonomics without removing you: the soul of the machine.

[@SylarHao]

I've said it already a couple times and this video further confirms it: it feels like Martin doesn't want to actually finish (or discard) the machine but rather keep us hooked in a perpetual questioning everything state.

[@KevinH.Rev0]

ok, a weighted design matrix is not your enemy. a weighted design matrix is the sword you use to slay that dragon!

[@AB-Prince]

Having been designing my own computer for over 3 years now, I am all too aquainted with the horrors of theoretical design. and I have to say I find it really interesting to see how you're dealling with it.

[@ryancourter544]

soooooo. dont plan. i fell in love with this channel and this project from your amazing creativity and no holds bar attitude.

[@Dreamisover]

keep it up brother. the things that you making with your own hands inspiring me more than anything else in this hard times. great thanks to you and all your crew from Ukraine! waiting for your tour in here!

[@mRcOOL5YO]

The variation in RPM didnt matter ONE BIT. Thats part of the soul of the marble machine.

[@kentslocum]

I actually liked the slow start and the more upbeat ending. 😊 There is such a thing as music that's too tight. There's a reason why calling someone "uptight" is not a complement.

[@SamFisherCell]

Imagine people discovering the marble machine 100 years from now.

[@evguenistarikov9954]

I came back to look at this account after about 2 years absence… Was really surprised to see that promised World Tour never happened… I guess making money by just doing stuff on KZbin will never get old… See you in a couple years!

[@xepota]

Даже не знаю, чего хочу больше: увидеть готовую машину или наблюдать за её разработкой. Оказывается, что Научно-Исследовательские и Опытно-Конструкторские Работы (НИОКР) могут быть занимательными. 👍

[@DemonicMX]

I've been keeping up with you since 2016. And for you to reference solo leveling is crazy to me! Reading manhua helped me through school, and watching you're weekly updates was yet another one of those things for me

[@karolisn7956]

A fellow manhwa enjoyer I see

[@Atomic4now]

This was an unexpected development.

[@PedroElSanchez]

Can't wait for Martin to be done with this project so he can go back to making music, 12 years without a Wintergatan album is enough.

[@minerscale]

I don't know what I would do if he finished the machine. The one constant in my life- watching a sysphisian effort to build an ultimately pointless work of art

[@YourSweatyUncle]

Bet he has to replace half the band, alot can happen in 12 years

[@jameshogge]

I think the reason you struggled to play tight music on the mmx was that the pedal was too slow and too heavy. In that example, a 2:1 gear reduction would probably have made a significant improvement as it would reduce the force and double the frequency you press. You could also reduce the flywheel as much as possible: a light flywheel puts you more in control of the tempo. With a heavy flywheel, you have to guess the force required to keep tempo. With a light flywheel, you can focus more on just pressing the pedal in time with the music. Increasing the travel of the pedal might also have helped: longer travel means a larger lever and less force required

[@francescosirotti8178]

This is another level of complexity and another mechanism that uses power... Looks like feature creep is back on the menu, boys!

[@rymannphilippe]

I'm thinking the same. It get cracy complicated again and will never be done. It will always come new stuff.

[@artghushelw]

It was never out of the menu really though. Any sane engineer trying to solve the problem of project growth and feature creep would reduce projects scale, but Martin, postulating a decrease in scale and complexity, has actually been increasing the scale of the project for many months now.

[@octaviocesaraquinolopez3295]

PLEASE MARTIN! THE BACH´S PRELUDE SOUNDS INCREDIBLY!!!! PLEASE!!! PLAY IT COMPLETE!!!!🥲🥲

[@joesmith-zs4xd]

i find you content highly engaging and your metaphors highly descriptive and colorful . Im relay glad to have found your content and cant wait to see more. keep up the great work !!!

[@dragonboss7995]

A video with martin fighting a dragon. What a truly amazing day.

[@fadingsouls]

Don't kill your pleasure in the project by backloading all your enjoyment. If you get joy from creating POC projects try and mix them in! At the end of the day it will be a 1 of 1 so don't try and chain yourself to finding an endlessly scaleable product. Find that balance between art and engineering.

[@ibolmo]

What if you didn't have one Marble Machine (X)? What if each instrument had its own Marble Machine? Thinking of this as an orchestra of marble machines. The best part is that you get to focus your design and engineering in each machine. Optimize each one for the tightest music. Yes, you will have to sync them all together, but if you have tight music (a constant clock) then the problem is just how do you start/stop all the machines at the same time. There are well known (software) solutions for this. I could also see you and the Wintergartan group start the tour with one machine and incorporate more machines as time passes on. You don't need to wait for the whole dragon. Just get the first one (perhaps the bass) done and move on to the next machine you want to slay.

[@dustygrannis3240]

Honestly Martin, I love this channel. This is easily in my top favorite youtube channels. When you were making the MMX it was my favorite. I like watching you build things even if they fail. But recently it's too much theory now. Please build and allow yourself to fail forward. Also when's the next album coming? love your music!

[@goldenshatter]

The main reason I what your videos is you got the best sound mix and audio that is soothing with an amazing bass.

[@CrappyPastry99]

Animusic?!? This is absolutely amazing!

[@sebastianchristiansen8850]

I have been watching you for years and years now, but this video takes the cake. You have inspired me greatly. I am trying to become a great bass player and have been for some time now, and have felt the same feelings you describe of being good at learning new things, but maybe not getting to the bottom always. The way you describe your roadblocks as dragons is fantastic. I know that I have to apply the same mindset if I am to become really good. Thanks for being a great storyteller.

[@SultanSilver]

Hello Wintergatan (Sorry I forgot your name 😅), but I think your name is Martin. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I am your big fan from Kazakhstan country! Your passion to build this project is amazing, and your videos gave a lot inspiration! I dont know how to help you right now, but I will try to become your patreon in few months! I really hope that you will find solutions to beat all this monsters and one day I will clme to your concert with my country flag! I also wanted to see anime about you and how you will defeat all this monsters😂🎉 Thnq Wintergatan!

[@mudjonns]

This video satisfy my thirst for anime, music, and engineering in one fell swoop. Thanks Martin!

[@Skudster13]

You have come toe to toe with the beast that usually causes me to find a different project to work on. I wish you luck, brave dragon slayer!

[@shloink5310]

Thank you for these delightful videos in these troubling times

[@narffran8151]

So research will be your best friend soon "My Liege"!!

[@Ayshel]

This video was amazing, describe a lot my mindset when i'm in an engineering field, I love everything but theoritical design

[@Dre33Norway]

i love your humour, cant wait to continue to watch your progress, however fast or slow and seeing you live for a concert! do tour in norway please!!

[@Totial]

You are a real inspiration fighting all that battles!! Great job

[@KeruptR47]

I LOVE the slower tempo version of Bach from that video, I have tried to ever find a full cover of that song in that slower tempo and failed miserably. It's so beautifully melancholy, makes me wish I knew how to play lol or at least could make a "fake" on in a music software program.

[@noach1995]

Most inspiring channel & personality ever

[@jamesdominguez7685]

I was trying to work out how you composited the screen in a way that your hand clipped in front of it but your shoulder clipped behind, and did so completely cleanly with no matte lines. Took me a full ten seconds to realise it's just a real physical computer monitor right there in the shot.

[@eileenmacdougall8945]

You are for sure a very talented musical engineer.

[@manuelsherlock7850]

Guys, you would be the PER-FECT band for the "Umsonst&Draussen"-Festival here in Würzburg, Germany! I think you should definitely apply for a performance there, cause it would be awesome to celebrate your music there with thousands of people! ☺️👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@TenSeventeen]

I have always wanted to make a KZbin channel, “Does it Bach?” where the objective is to play the cello suite on everything but a cello. The MMX cyberbass sounded much better than Minecraft note blocks. Thank you, Martin.

[@andreyrumming6842]

I must say, that guitar playing that song at the start sounds so unbelievably ethereal and pretty

[@johannsens]

I know that the ability to play tight music is very important to you, but I do not think that anyone minded the BPM slip... I think there's another little dragon called the Unending Strive for Tightness... Listen to epic music from the seventies. It was not tight at all! It only adds a human element, an artistic feel. It is like printing a picture of a painting made by Monet and striving to make it as close to the original as possible, compared to seeing the original picture in real life or recreating with paint yourself. Don't sacrifice your artistic roots on the altar of computer-like tightness. The marble machine IS mechanic, not MIDI.

[@dantorocks]

I think the imperfection is part of the magic of this kind of machine. You can play tight music with a MacBook but it will miss something.

[@WarWolfX1]

For those interested at 6:00 that is an anime called "Solo Leveling" about 11min into episode 3

[@timothymonk1356]

You are not some simple tinkerer, you're an artificer!

[@SpecieAR]

Here we go again! As amazing as a completely programmed bass would be, I feel like we're about to go down another rabbit hole. On this path, 10 years from today, we'll be watching you figure out how to manage the air flow to the trumpets. KISS!

[@B.McAllister]

4:28 Why not use silicone wheels that can ride up and down each string causing a natural slide? Basically four small disks that concave inward so they can ride each string like a train track? Like a train cars wheels on a train track but instead the track is the string and the wheel has a silicone well to ride the string up and down the neck?? Basically what I am picturing is four seperate pizza slicers with track wheels lined with silicone that can press the strings on the neck and be ridden up or down for slides and held in place for holding notes or locked in place for chords.

[@terry_the_terrible]

9:10 Tinkerers are prototypers in the exploration phase. There's nothing wrong with an iterative approach, especially when you're doing R&D but it will fail if the general design isn't sound. But you can prototype that too. However, what people shouldn't do is let random youtube comments get you down. You shouldn't ignore criticism either. The way to eat an elephant or tackle a dragon is to get strong friends and a good mentor. Go find other engineers and have a frank discussion, split the thinking workload and then you'll see that the dragon was not big enough for an entire party

[@Daniel_Blake]

I do miss the Marble Machine X. Was a work or art and an enjoyment to watch. All mechanical and raw. Be interesting to see where this new machine goes. But might loose the sole that made the marble machine x so awesome.

[@carlomartin6156]

100%confidence Martin you can make it

[@koenvdv30]

Hey Martin, I'm here for the ride and that includes the stuff that may be tedious but is necessary! I'm curious how your gonna slay the beast! I can relate to planning being further away from your personality type, and I've been confronted with this myself. Trust the process and enjoy the reward :) best of luck!

[@JaxsonGalaxy]

My thoughts after watching this on my phone: Well, that bass certainly *looks* like it sounds good.. 😅

[@SebastianWellsTL]

Quite an impressive instrument! I'd love to hear it play a whole song someday!

[@Nojgrossnickler]

I challenge a master engineer at the most prestigious engineering college on the planet to watch all of this content and give us all the satisfaction of knowing that this man is a multi-disciplinarian certifiable genius. He’s done more non-theoretical engineering study in actual real life situations that I believe others haven’t even with years of schooling or number of degrees. Not to mention the study of the psychological effects one goes through on the path of this fantastic endeavor.

[@noahjames]

Martin is getting super excited about playing "mesmerizing dynamic music"... by playing an actual normal instrument. It's almost like it's the better way to play music! Haha, I'm only joking Martin, I love the project and have been following it for a long time. It's such a cool idea.

[@kikokiko7611]

the narrative style with the screen is very good

[@steves9522]

Pro tip: Lube the housing on the cables with Teflon spray lube, they will have next to no drag

[@BlackTomorrowMusic]

3:24 Dammit! I'm drooling on my keyboard looking at this setup!

[@sudirjaibrahim]

For some reason I smiled hearing and seeing your video, this is a very cool idea

[@nameunknown8383]

This was a fun and different video, can't wait to see us level up and defeat that terrifying dragon.

[@loganadams4276]

Keep it up Martin! Good luck!

[@propertystuff7221]

At the word "Minions," that image made me bust out laughing! XD

[@Vastafari34]

I really want him to acknowledge the fact that those cables he's using are NOT designed to be pushed.... over time they will loosen up a lot not to mention their "tightness" will be proportional to their run length. The longer, the less tight they will be.

[@cadepeterman4276]

Never do I feel the swift passage of time more than when I see the Wintergatan Wednesday upload notification.

[@SaraLloydsoprano]

Hi Martin, keep going! We believe in you!

[@calaious]

Someone said this in a previous video. You should put a roller bearing at the tip of the reader to reduce friction. Just like roller bearing rockarms for car engines.

[@victorlopezsantos5100]

Can we agree that Martin searing on video will be the key to the success to the MM3?

[@AlexOuiCestMoi]

i think the changing tempo was nice, organic , and human ! tight music is for computers !

[@MinimumViablePicnic]

Enjoyed this, looking forward to more! Happy to be on a nerd journey x

[@henrikviktorsson]

I cant wait for the new machine to take shape 🤩

[@tiaanvanrensburg1032]

if anyone is going to build the animusic resonant chamber, it’s going to be wintergatan

[@Ramacho]

my favorite thing from the mmx was the sliding capo's, hopefully the new method will be similar because i always thought those were so cool. But from what i understand it doesnt seem like it will be though