With thw symbol the marbles are still playing it, just not directly touching it. I think its worth doing it whenever needed.

Really loved the commentary on this one. There are so many variables to solve and lots of contemplating to be done

What if you just place a pad or foam on the cymbal itself? You can still do a direct drop, but perhaps come away with a cleaner sound?

I was typing my idea in a comment just as Martin told me he didn’t care about what I think 😂 I love that!

The marbles falling on the stick still fulfills the marble machine aspect in my opinion. 😊

"The drummers out there will agree with me now" Yes, yes we do! Just like the finger analogs were crucial to making the bass sound right, that drumstick is essential to the ride cymbal sounding right. The sticks are intrinsic to the instrument, along with the technique drummers use. You can't fully capture the nuances of stick control in machine form (at least not without blowing the complexity to absurdity) but you can dial in 1-3 analogs to those techniques with the sticks and use those on the machine. And personally, seeing three sticks mounted above the ride cymbal DOES look pretty sweet and seeing them in action together would be amazing. Bad Hannes! Stop it! 😂

I like the marbles falling into the drum stick, looks cool and sounds much better. Marbles falling into the cymbol directly does also look cool but making more channels for different marble sizes might be even mor complex than desining the stick part. I also think that a coated cymbol would be nice if makes things simpler and does also sound good.

I guess if you want to activate the Drumstick by marble you can drive the stick directly by the programming wheel. So for me it would be play the cymbal by marble or drive the stick directly.

Maybe dont have a ride? Its not a jazz machine. Nobody cares if theres a ride or not. If you want a ride, have Markus play it.

Obviously drums are gorgeous, but do you *need* full sized drums? What good will accustic drums - however nice they sound - do, if micing them is a nightmare? I loved the percussion on the original marble machine and thought the miniature one on the MMX were really neat. I would suggest to watch El Estepario Siberiano's Video on triggers for inspiration concerning drums on the marble machine.

Hi Wintergatan, I have a silly idea. How about adding a marble channel with wooden balls? I wonder if they would sound closer to the wooden drumstick

Padding the cymbal itself is probably the cheapest, easiest way to alter the sound. If you cut the pads into nice shapes you can enhance the look of the instrument, too!

Your mom should play guitar in each episode.

Hannez for prezident ;D

Does it NEED to sound like a real drumstick hitting the drum? There were previous experiments with various padding material that got close, and with a much cleaner look.

May 2824, still waiting on Martin the III to finish the marble machine 3 - any day now! 😂😂😂

after all these years, its still so fvcking amazing

The rubber ball sounded like a solid solution, no need for extra parts, you could use those rubbery metal balls that we find inside old mouses. That also opens up the possibility for colored balls

I like the drumb stick idea. I like good sounds better then a marble i cant see from 100 feet away

I have seen drummers do all sorts of horrible things to cymbals just to achieve a harsher sound, I think the marble might not be the worst idea

Here we go may 2025😂

you should talk to a cymbal expert, and try to experiment with a wide variety of other cymbals. theyre much more complicated than meets the ear

How about coated marbles? Might be an issue with the coating wearing down but tis an idea

V Funny - I'm no musician but what if you placed a 'rubber tambourine' between the marble and the cymbal ?? Maybe that would meet both desires ??

How would the cymbals sound with those blobs of epoxy you used for the vibraphone in the earlier versions?

Just get rid of the marbles altogether and use cams and levers solenoids etc. I say this because the marbles are becoming a visual aesthetic only. Who really wants to go to a gig watching marbles race around a track triggering levers ?

About the bit with Hannes saying that he thinks the marbles should only hit the instruments and nothing else (aka no drumsticks), I honestly think that drumsticks are a part of drumkits, as in they are instruments, aswell so marbles hitting the sticks is still them hitting instruments. Like to be honest an "instrument" at its core is just an object that you use to perform a task, like for example hitting drums to make noise, so I say that you can keep the sticks, they look rad as hell and it sounds way better imo

You're finding an obvious sound difference hitting the cymbal with a marble versus a drumstick. However, if you go down this rabbit hole then the same applies to all the instruments. The drums will sound better via a stick, so will the vibraphone. Where do you draw the line.

Can't you use a weighted wooden marble like you did with the rubber marble?

I would argue that the sticks are part of the machine

what happened to using pads like on the mmx xylophone bars? would that work on the ride cymbal.

I have to say I, personally, agree 100% with Hannes. But I also trust you, Martin. Whatever you decide to do, I'm sure it will still blow me away.

Why don't you just get wood balls?

I would go the stick route, since you can remove the stick for a direct hit with a marble anyway.

I think it would be a good idea to look at the frequency spectrum of different materials hitting the cymbal

MAY '24 ANYONE

You should, indeed, be playing the guitar in every video! Thank you so much Martin's mom!

Does it need to be steel marbles? How about plastic? Wood? Glass? If the instruments have their own closed loops this should open up for different sounds.

stay strong u got this

Thanks mum

You solved the metal-on-metal problem with the vibraphone by hitting a rubber sheet, which also gave you the ability to modulate hit hardness. Why not try same thing with the cymbal?

Wood is good.

Delete the parts you can delete, ffs. It's not that hard

Many thanks to Martin's mom🥰

Wooden balls for some instuments

Köszönjük!

If it's mostly about not liking the sound of the metal marbles contacting the cymbals, could you not just put a thin rubber pad on the cymbal itself, where the marbles hit it?

Rubber ball of 3 dimensions for that simbol , is the way the correct compromise. Sound betters than metal marble, simplier that with drum stick, and 3 channel for volume...the spring tension didn't change much.

Using special marbles would need soooo many special marbles

Can you glue some wood on the metal, to soften the impact of the marbels?