Why Did Jesus Pick Peter?! w/ Jonathan Roumie

[@doodleart7692]

I wish Jonathan had spoken more abt Peter.... It is so evident everywhere in the Bible why Saint Peter was the chosen among chosen...❤ 🪨His faith was so much stronger than others, Come on he had the faith to walk on water for starter.. His faith was unshakable just like a ROCK. 🪨He was not only chosen by the son, but also by the almighty Father.. 🪨John calls himself as the beloved, but Peter was the one who loved Jesus more... 🪨All his life he tried to protect Jesus without knowing why Jesus came down to earth. Jesus even rebuked him for standing in the way of his death(Our salvation). And he did that again during Jesus's arrest. 🪨He had the courage to cut a guard's ear. He had the courage to follow Jesus to the house of Caiaphas knowing he would be in grave danger. No one did that... he went to extremes to show the love for his Lord/friend. 🪨He was not a coward and he didn't betray him, pls dont say that ever again people, becoz in betrayal the second person would be affected by the first person. Peter was not put into witness stand to justify Jesus. He denied him. And that denial is an act of instinct. If we read that part again and again, we could see that it's just an instinct. He was not afraid of his life, or else he wouldn't have been there in the first place. 🪨Jesus appeared to Peter first among his apostles after his resurrection. From all the above things, I would say Peter is the beloved. 🪨And even the denial... just think, if Peter didn't follow Jesus out of Love, his name would not have tainted as the denier. See, you people are not talking abt the other 9 apostles who ran away. 🪨He is like the hyperactive kid, who always asks questions, have the best answers and always ready to run for teachers aid. No doubt why Jesus made him the Rock. 🪨He represents all of us, spiritually and even personally. I have seen people telling they need to be John but are being Peter. But if that's true people, You should be happy that you are Peter. It's clear that he was a leader, but he never called himself as the best or beloved. He was so humble. Just like Our God wanted us to be. History hasn't been kind to him, i don't think he's temperamental. He acts like that only when it's abt His Lord. He was Protective and it called love. 🪨And I don't think Peter is just a fisher man, he had something in him to be the fisher of men. And our God knew that. I wish my faith is strong like Saint Peter, like a rock❤❤❤

[@kathygeorge3274]

St Peter’s impetuous, fiery, genuine character is so relatable and endearing…a testimony to God’s sense of humor❤️‍🔥

[@KittyM-]

@@kathygeorge3274 yes. Mo. Natalia said she too is often told 'Do you ever have a thought that doesn't instantly come out of your mouth?' 😁

[@WasBlind_NowISee]

When I was struggling with addiction for so many years, my life crumbling daily in front of me and I was completely paralyzed to do anything about it because I was in severe addiction. I would cry out “why can’t you just take this way from me” and now I get it, the entire time he wanted me to pull through with the little amount of grace he would give me. His grace is sufficient. He is not a God that just waves a magical wand and says “ok done” no work involved. No, he expects us to use the sciences he created while leveraging his grace as our fuel to get through and he will take care of all the back doors needed to escape. He did this with every character in the Bible. He never said “ok done” and just disappear the problem, they had to fight inch by inch while he supports us from the back end in mind blowing ways if you really pay attention.

[@wherethewatermeetstheshade]

@@WasBlind_NowISee the light is beautiful

[@davidhirt9129]

That is beautifully put.

[@jamescurtin4412]

Blessed Catherine Emmerich, a Catholic nun from Germany, who lived about 200 years ago. She was a mystic who saw our Lord’s life day by day. I believe the book she published has the local bishop stamp of approval. So it’s considered private revelation, she said the Lord chose Peter because of his zeal, he was zealous for God, his faith and he was zealous for his friend Jesus.

[@jennyShields-x4i]

I just love you two indulging in great conversation, 👍 really enjoyable. Super interviews. Keep them coming. God Bless.😇👏👏🫶🫶🙏🙏

[@AllToTheGloryOfGod]

listening to two godly man in love with Jesus talking about how good and kind He is just makes my heart happy. how i wish there were more conversations like that! thanks for the blessing. yes, how kind He is!

[@bookillful]

For me, when I think of Peter and Jesus, I think of the 1977 mini series "Jesus of Nazareth". Jesus looking out to the sea of Galilee at Capernaum, and Peter raging about the poor catch, before the miracle of the miraculous catch of fishes. Peter is the Rock, because he spoke to our humanity, against the deity of Christ. He is all of us. Christ be praised.

[@narrowroad444]

It was because of his childlike faith and obedience. He jumped in to walk on the water and although Jesus had to sometimes rebuke or discipline/ teach him. Peter was on fire for seeing God’s kingdom on earth as it is in heaven.

[@CynthiaSe-o9g]

Jesus chose Peter because he displayed tremendous courage and boldness, which would be traits necessary to preach and witness for the faith. Peter was the one who walked on water, but he was also the one who cut off the ear of the priest's servant. Obviously, he needed to learn how to control his boldness and channel in the right direction to serve God's kingdom. Peter was also the one who declared, "You are the Christ, the Son of God." It's interesting to note that in scripture it is actually Nathaniel who first proclaims that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God. However, later on, he is not the first one to speak up. Why? Perhaps some doubts had settled in his mind or too many questions had arisen to make him one hundred percent certain. Peter, on the other hand, is positive of Christ's identity, since God the Father revealed it to him. It is the Father who is pointing out to his Son who the leader of the church should be. Great discussion with Jonathan. Thanks for posting.

[@doodleart7692]

@@CynthiaSe-o9g it might be becoz the incidents in gospels are not chronologically put into place. In Luke, its said Jesus healed Peter's mother in law before his calling. But Mathew mentions otherwise. So technically, Peter's proclamation could have happened before Nathaniel's calling.

[@shelleycarr2842]

Love the Lord with ALL your heart..mind body and soul and love your neighbor as YOURSELF. That's ALL He asks😊

[@Nerfherder-oo7iv]

I know the conflict between Peter and his wife in the show is not biblical but it’s such an important part of the show because it portrays exactly how husbands and wives can grow apart. “Silence between a husband and wife is poison”. Such true words.

[@annamariacarlucci6031]

Gesù continui a stare vicino a te Jonathan, a Dallas e a tutti voi, che siete tutti docili strumento nelle mani di Dio. Un giorno ci incontreremo tutti insieme, e tutto questo potrò dirvelo di persona.😊. Grazie grazie grazie. Annamaria da Roma ❤

[@Catticombs]

Jesus picked Peter because he was an ordinary man, but loyal. Peter would have volunteered to be the first among the apostles to die for Jesus but his flaws were on his sleeve, and this helped him keep himself in check. He had no ego. He did not desire power. The weakest link makes the strongest leader if coupled with the passion that Peter had.

[@wesleylim18]

@@Catticombs James died first actually

[@Aidan_Spalding]

@@wesleylim18 I was just gonna say...

[@Catticombs]

@@wesleylim18 Sorry about that, poor phrasing. I've edited the contents to reflect what I meant when I originally typed it.

[@doodleart7692]

@@Catticombs true, he was humble like God wanted us to be. Everything he did, he said shows his utmost respect and Devotion to his Lord. Even Jesus visited him first among his apostles after resurrection. I would say he's the beloved. But he was so humble that he never called himself as the best or loved one...

[@canzreus2865]

Saint Peter had better understanding in dealing with the people

[@LucyLangston-mw3qq]

Amen 🙏 ❤

[@jonyivre4541]

Jesus Knows Best.

[@katherinemcmillan5228]

God chooses the weakest men. It’s humbling to follow a weak man into battle. Bishop Sheen

[@RosaIbanez-m3y]

Peter was chosen because he had guts. He was always out there reaching out to Jesus. He wanted it all.

[@arthurgrey8967]

Well, accept when He denied him 3 times. In the end its God who makes us who we are. No one has cause to boast. We can only try to cooperate with the grace we are given. But I like you enjoy the speculation

[@TyroneBeiron]

Jesus did not choose Peter/Cephas. Firstly, the brothers chose to follow him. And it was the Father that chose Simon bar Jonah, whom Jesus faithfully complied with, and named him Cephas/Rock. Thus, fir those who don’t understand the significance of what Matthew wrote, they have to think of Peter as the first Patriarch of the new covenant of the people of God, and also with the authority of being its chief minister.

[@JohnH.Sturgis]

Simon Peter was the only one known to be married, and from what I understand many then infer he was the oldest. Most or all would have been very young, as opposed to the depiction in The Chosen. Age has its privileges, now and then, perhaps.

[@doodleart7692]

@@JohnH.Sturgis No, others could have been married too. Peter's mother in law was mentioned becoz she was Healed by Jesus. But his wife was never mentioned anywhere in the Gospels. There are many reasons why Peter was chosen among the chosen. But I don't think age was a consideration. John is said to be the youngest one, yet he was always in Jesus's close circle with his brother and Peter.

[@Ks872-h8j]

Since Jesus is the Cornerstone, how can Peter be the Cornerstone? In construction, the cornerstone is the rock on which a structure is built. Peter is part of "the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone" (Eph. 2:20). "Who is the Rock except our God?" (Ps. 18:31)

[@doodleart7692]

@@Ks872-h8j see cornerstone is a stone which guides the builders to build the whole building. It acts like their light house. It's the most important stone becoz the construction depends on it. Where as, Rock in Mathew 16, is like the foundation rock. Something strong over which you will build a house or any building. In Mathew 7, Jesus says, one who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. This rock is something stable which can hold the building. This was Peter. He was stable and so strong in his faith and Devotion. So Jesus made him the Rock upon which the church is built. Cornerstone is Jesus, only Jesus. Our light in darkness.

[@frekigeri4317]

How can Jesus Christ and Peter be the corner stone? Answer: God This is the issue with Protestantism you dismiss Peter’s role and claim to put Jesus Christ there, but in reality whatever reformer you follow is in that position. Jesus Christ is the head of the Church, He is king and Peter and HIS successors are the head steward. Your reformers are nobody’s, Martin Luther was a drunken sexual deviant, but he had the authority to remove books from the Bible he didn’t agree with? Just stop, seriously.

[@TheArbiterOfTruth]

@@frekigeri4317Don Quixote fighting windmills. You’ll be tired eventually.

[@cosdawg]

I think Peter is an every-man (every-disciple). I think we can all relate to Peter. We have a great capacity for love and to love that we often lose sight of Jesus and focus on selves. We are certain one moment, confused and doubtful the next, our hearts burn with zeal for the Lord, and then we are rendered mute. We boast the Cross, then we cuss out our neighbor. We overworked ,burnt out, frustrated with the world and its politics, and then we are at peace the next moment. We rise and we fall, rise and fall. But our love for the Lord is real. I often reflect on the last part of the Gospel of John (Peter, do you love me?). I would dare say most of us would respond like Peter. I often insert my own name in the reading, and in the third Do you love me, I find myself looking back on my whole life, in all its joys and wretchedness, with all my victories and defeats. I have nothing to stand on bc of all the times I have betrayed the Lord. All I have left is His Love and Mercy. And so like Peter, I respond, “Lord, you know all things. You know all my shortcomings. But I love you!” I don’t claim to be as strong as Peter, but I can relate to him. And the fact that he keeps rising after his failings inspires me to keep going to confession and to mass, and to strive for a holy marriage and raising holy children.

[@VivaLeCRob]

I heard it proposed that Peter was chosen as leader (Pope) because, to put it bluntly, he was the biggest idiot. And because so, he knew the depths of Christ's love and mercy fully. Painting a dynamic between Peter and Judas, they both betrayed Jesus and fell just as far during His passion. Judas falls into despair thinking he cannot be forgiven (sound like us sometimes?) But Peter repents and is forgiven. This great humility in knowing that there is no sin to which you can go and that you can still come back from, is a trait that makes Peter exceptional.

[@doodleart7692]

You obviously don't know what betrayal is... and as a Christian and a Catholic(i hope u r), please don't put Saint Peter and Judas together. And he was not an idiot. Read about him repeatedly in the Bible. You will see why he's chosen among the chosen. He didn't betray Jesus, he denied knowing him. Betrayal is something where the first person gets affected by the second person. Clearly, Peter's denial didn't affect Jesus. Peter was not put into a witness stand to testify Jesus. And if you read the denial part in all four Gospels, you will see that Peter realized what he was doing only after the rooster's crow. He didn't know what he was doing. Moreover He was the only one to follow Jesus to the house of Caiaphas, if he had run away like other apostles he wouldn't be carrying the title deny-er. See you all forgot about the other 9 apostles who ran away. He was spying inside Caiaphas's house, he didn't run away when he was questioned. He ran away after realizing his denial. fr Someone spying wouldn't establish themselves. It only proves his genuineness and his determination to Lord. History hasn't been kind to him. It's all made up nonsense by protestants about him being temperamental. He acts instinctively when it comes to his Lord. The time when he asked Jesus not to go through horrible death in Mathew 16 and cutting guards ear was to protect his beloved friend from dying. He was like an active kid, not temperamental,.

[@VivaLeCRob]

I agree with much of what you said and probably any differences could be chalked up to semantics. One quality of Peter (he has many) I tried to convey is that he went to the depths of sin with his denials, but still was allowed back because he had the humility to come back. Judas didn't that we know of. Peter's experience of Christ's extreme and infinite mercy is a quality I thought worth mentioning. No matter how far you go, you can still come back and Peter knows it first hand.

[@doodleart7692]

​@@VivaLeCRob yes Judas didn't expect Jesus would be sentenced to death but still he chose to sell Jesus to pharisies for 30 silver coins. Peter was sifted by Satan, Satan shook the strongest of Jesus's apostles. And we could clearly sense the terror in Peter when the rooster crowed. Also Jesus said, "one among you will betray me" and he said to Peter, that he will disown him. Jesus even said he would pray for him. Peter repented as soon as he remembered his Master's words abt denying him. He is found with the other apostles after crucifixion. So after turning back he went to strengthen his brothers like Jesus said. I believe his spiritual strength makes him the Rock. If we think on the other way, if Peter hadn't denied Jesus, he also must have been persecuted, also our Lord's prognosis would become a lie and Jesus prayed to God, asking him to keep all his disciples safe. Peter chose to follow Jesus, entering into grave danger, but God saved him, even though it's a tough one, at the end he was saved... To be the rock of church who was destined to be. (I would say sometimes we need to keep ourselves down, Peter is an example for that, he was too confident that he would not deny Jesus. Over confidence sometimes makes us hurt🙃❤️)

[@ccbarr58]

Holy Spirit chose Peter. Jesus said the father told him about Jesus.

[@garybrown2039]

I somewhat agree with what you guys say here, but i personally feel their was a major component that affected Christ's choice. You can see in the Gospels that SO MANY of Christ's own people weren't recognizing him for who he was, despite the fact that they were supposed to. His own family and friends in Nazarith didnt and just saw him as "the carpenter"s" son, or "that guy " we've known for years. The pharisees were always giving him a hard time. And meanwhile, the Romans like that 1 centurion as well as that samarit and woman, were showing him more respect. And then comes along Peter, the one Jewish person, or at least one of the very few, who actually saw him as the Son of God and the savior. The Lord even said he was blessed that the Father, even revealed it to him. So to me, there was just something very unique about Peter's mind that made him the candidate for the first Pope.

[@Archaeonauts]

I think for anyone who has doubts, or thinks they aren't faithful enough, or they aren't good enough for Jesus, all they have to do is look at Jesus' apostles. Peter was a bit of firebrand who denied Christ in times of trouble, Judas flat out betrayed Christ, and Thomas didn't believe Jesus was resurrected even after seeing him until he showed him his wounds (if he was perfectly faithful shouldn't he have expected him to be resurrected?). If Jesus' own apostles who lived and traveled with him couldn't get everything right or remain faithful all the time, then how can anyone else expect to be perfect at all times?

[@LucyLangston-mw3qq]

I think Jesus pick Simon because his ordinary person and Jesus close to broken heart or in trouble ❤

[@kellyross4801]

Because Simon Peter recognized Jesus as "the Son of the Living G_d". Immediately, Jesus said this was revealed to Simon - something he couldn't know on his own. Then Jesus promptly changed his name to Cephas - "Rocky" - and declared him to be the rock on which Jesus would build His Church. It wasn't about smarts or looks or popularity. It was revealed to one man, so that he was chosen by One Man. Pax. 🙏🕯️

[@jonhannula2022]

I think Jesus rocks by the way, so I’m gonna stick with that!

[@DominicMazoch]

Jesus did not pick Peter. He picked Simon, which He later called Rock, Peter.

[@NoHomo1776]

So Simon and Peter were the same person. Yes.

[@JohnH.Sturgis]

Simon, Peter, Simon Peter... it's all the same person.

[@davidtolnay9945]

What is written on Jonathan^s shirt ?

[@charlespagano9636]

It's a Flannery O'Conner quote regarding the Eucharist, "If it's a symbol, to hell with it."

[@kuafer3687]

I always wondered why Peter and not John

[@Nerfherder-oo7iv]

John was the Beloved. Simon was the rock. God has a role for each of us

[@narrowroad444]

Peter was more of a spokesman who had leadership abilities. John was more of a theologian pastor prophet. The front man of the band isn’t always the most talented.

[@KittyM-]

John was a lad. Tradition says about 12 years old

[@doodleart7692]

Peter had so much faith, and humble. We assumed that The author of Fourth Gospel is John, there is no 100% conformity of that. But we know Peter was the rock 100%

[@KittyM-]

@@doodleart7692 Peter was energetic! Often spoke for the apostles = clearly their de facto leader.

[@crystalclear6864]

God chooses the weakest to show its about Him and his power/ might, not mans ability.

[@xrendezv0usx]

After being appointed the rock, Peter denied Christ 3 times. And then even after receiving the Holy Spirit, and even on important matters of church doctrine (Peter fell into false doctrines regarding the circumcision party), Peter fell into error and had to be publicly CORRECTED by Paul. There were many reasons why Peter was chosen to be the first of the church leaders, but certainly one of the big reasons was to demonstrate the FALLIBILITY of the church leaders, and to teach us NOT to hold them up as infallible men, but that even Peter the rock was fallible and subject to correction according to Scripture. How much more should Peter's successors the popes be subject to correction according to the Word of God?

[@misterkittyandfriends1441]

@@xrendezv0usx So Peter was ultimately correct about circumcision, right? The pope must be someone zealous enough to proclaim Christ on Pentecost, humble enough to serve God and the truth by listening and reasoning carefully, and fearless enough to die defending the truth.

[@xrendezv0usx]

@misterkittyandfriends1441 NO Peter was absolutely NOT right when he fell into the false doctrines of the circumcision party and had to be publicly CORRECTED by Paul. If Peter the rock was challenged and corrected according to Scripture, how much more should Peter's successors the popes be challenged and corrected according to God's Word?? Peter was NOT infallible, and neither are his successors. This is how you end up with rotten fruits such as bowing down to man made images and blessing homosexual couples.

[@misterkittyandfriends1441]

@@xrendezv0usx Peter announced a decision on the Judaisers that is recorded in scripture. It is the correct decision. Peter listened and reasoned when he needed to listen, and made the correct decision, right? You have an incorrect view of the infallibility of the church in the Catholic tradition. Peter was going by "sola scriptura" in applying the law of Moses more broadly, while Paul was applying the oral tradition of Jesus and the effect of the new covenant.

[@xrendezv0usx]

@@misterkittyandfriends1441 hopefully the popes are able to follow Peter's example and correct their false doctrines of bowing down to graven images, praying to the deceased, and now blessing homosexual couples. Peter repented of his false doctrines and corrected his errors when he fell into error. I pray his successors the popes wake up and follow his example.

[@diamondlou1]

@@xrendezv0usx Goodness, my friend, you have a lot to learn. Catholics don't "bow down to graven images" nor do they "pray to the deceased."

[@ToeTag1968]

"Any of us could become saints." All believers are saints. We are all priests.

[@arthurgrey8967]

You are misreading friend. Can't isolate passages out of context and then ignore whatever contradicts. Were all called to be saints. Works in progress, and not all will achieve and persevere. Faith isn't something you give to God. Its something He gives to you, and you cooperate with it and accept, because you need it for the whole saint thing

[@ToeTag1968]

@@arthurgrey8967 I think we are typing from two different understandings of the word. Is it your belief that a saint can only be someone who performed a certain number of miracles or deeds to be deemed a saint posthumously? The word saint applies to any Christian. Living or dead. The word simply means we are sanctified and set apart for God's purpose. There's no "out of context" passage here.

[@arthurgrey8967]

@@ToeTag1968 What you're speaking of is the canonization process. You don't need to perform miracles to be a saint in the Church. Its part of a formula, since we can't know precisely who is or isn't in heaven, of ascertaining if a specific person is or isn't. Its God speaking through those actions since no one, however Holy, actually performs the miracle. God does. But yes I think we are certainly dealing with two different ideas of saints. A saint is defined by our actions being in accordance with God's will. Not a title bestowed on any believer. Its not a nickname, its a true reflection of a persons nature. Not earned by shouting Jesus I love you, believe in you, and accept you as my personal savior. Certainly not while you are also cheating on your wife, robbing your customers etc etc

[@ToeTag1968]

@@arthurgrey8967 Scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christians are saints-and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.

[@arthurgrey8967]

@@ToeTag1968 Not mad or criticizing. One real pet peeve is all protestants, not just yourself, always claiming their interpretation as scriptural. Every one without exemption, no matter how many interpretations they have on the same scripture. Its just so obtuse and intellectually dishonest that it takes great effort to take anything they say after that seriously. Sorry had to get that off my chest. It makes every discussion like nails on a chalkboard. You I suggest are misinterpreting. The context of that passage was people who had come into the faith and having difficulty living out what Christ asked of them. Just as we all do. We know, no need to speculate, from written records such as Ignatius who lived in the time of and was a disciple of the apostles, that 3 things were required to be considered Christian. 1) Baptism2) Belonging to a congregation of apostolic succession 3) Belief in the real presence of the Eucharist. Thats minimum requirements. Not asking you to agree with their criteria, just placing context since I dont know what faith you practice. For Catholics (btw a term used by Ignatius at that time) Baptism allows us to receive the Holy Spirit. We are sanctified in that sense by God, which is why we are called to treat our bodies as a Temple of the Lord. Because that is who resides in us. That doesn't make us Holy. Plenty, perhaps in truth the vast majority to varying degrees are not Holy (pure). Which is why Christ said by water and being born again. We have to die to ourselves and take on the nature of Christ. Its not a magic ritual. Which is why protestants ignore all else Christ said, or dismiss it away, when they try to assert faith alone, and always saved. Christ never described judgement day by those standards. Without getting semantical because we appear to have differing understandings of saintly. Holy should be clearer. Yes we are called to be Holy. That's the point Catholics have been making for 2000 years. None of us are, so your interpretation necessitates we believe in a pretend holiness in name only. In essence you are saying Christ doesn't care what we do, just so long as we believe in Him. You treat faith like a currency in exchange for salvation. God doesnt need your faith. Moreover faith is a grace. You don't give it to Him, He gives it to you. Precisely because you need faith to bear the difficulty of living a holy life. Thats the message Christ was teaching. Not this bastardized version of it doesn't really matter what you do. yeah try to be good, but its immaterial in the end. I made you saints already. This is why the same Paul you're quoting form told all to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

[@e.m.8094]

Why did Jesus pick Peter for what? To be one of the 12 disciples?

[@doodleart7692]

No to be the prime Apostle... more like a prime minister in The Kingdom of God

[@Hope-kx9lz]

Interesting answer considering the way the Pope and the entire Roman Church represent Jesus' teachings. All of Jesus' words and actions indicated that He loved the common people, and not wealth, pomp and pretense.

[@jimferris9447]

Jonathan Roumie is Roman Catholic.

[@diamondlou1]

"Roman Church"? Which one, exactly? There are many churches in Rome.

[@oceanscaper]

I have bad news. Both Moses and Peter had a violence problem to the point of murder and attempted murder at Gethsemane unless you think Peter was a samurai and was aiming to cut the man’s ear off. But I have good news. God saw inside their violence….protectiveness of others but also severity. God would ask both men to assist Him verbally in the death of laity rebels…Moses assisting verbally in the deaths of Dathan and Abiram et al….and Peter assisting verbally in the deaths of Ananias and Saphirra in Acts5. Severity was possessed by both men….and was not possessed by our recent Popes who should have turned every molesting cleric over to police instantly. Christ whipped money changers out of the temple…and we could not turn over molesters to prison.

[@Sayantan805]

But what's wrong with going to toilet? what do you mean by that? by the way I don't know about Western countries but here in India people always look down at fishermen, plumbers, construction workers not the engineer or boss part, salon owner or barber although salon and barbershop is the the same thing they are not even being considered as a job people don't want to spend 1 or 2 US dollar for hair although they want to look like a filmy hero and demand a lot from the salon owners so maybe Peter being the leader has to do with humbleness so maybe Jesus picked an outcast from a economical perspective to humble us...