Why Did People HATE The Marshall Valvestate 8100 So Much?!

[@marciocunha2639]

I have my Valvestate VS100 since 1997. I bought a few more amps for my collection but kept it. For me it is as iconic as a Dual Rectifier and very representative of what bands were using to record, especially within the black/death metal community.

[@alexanderschubert9975]

The VS100 and the VS65 are awesome. Their clean channel is also really good.

[@jasondorsey7110]

@@alexanderschubert9975 I prefer the vs100 over the 8100, but then again I don't play metal...popping in the right tube can really make a world of difference with the vs100, I use old american 7025's in mine, helps reduce hum greatly too

[@ianedmonds9191]

@@jasondorsey7110 I've got a Valvestate 8100V. My first named amp was a Valvestate 20 I got for Christmas when I was 16 or 17. Great amp and I still have it. I always wanted one of the valvestates with a Tube. I got the 8100 a few years back and liked it but way to loud for my application. I bought an Origin 20 and Godamn that is the best sounding amp I've played. I've got an audiostorm powersoak on it so I can run it with the power amps overdriven too. Sounds amazing. Luv and Peace.

[@jasondorsey7110]

@@ianedmonds9191 With the 8100, the tube is only active on the overdrive channel, so it's not always gonna color the tone very much, you'll get much more tube tone out of that origin...I've heard good things about those, glad you like yours

[@rickleblanc8900]

​@@jasondorsey7110the Origin is fine for rock but needs a boost for heavier music cause it's not a high gain amp

[@SkyCrimsonSnow]

Excellent video, thank you! I have had my 8100 since 1995...recently I bought the 8412 cab. My settings are nearly identical to what you used...I essentially play 2nd wave Black Metal. Your composition and recording methods have inspired me as continue the process of my first solo project! ⚔💀⚔

[@woodward_alan]

I owned this at one point and hated it. Eventually blew it up. Later realized that the cab it was pared with was utterly crap and probably main reason for hating it. I kept the cab through the next amp head and sold it too before realizing the root was the cab. Lessons learned the hard way.

[@DreadNovella]

You have it right. This amp really shines depending on the cabinet. But when you do this amp is amazing.

[@soulsonicfx3826]

The stock cab was terrible. I even swapped out the speakers in mine and it sounded a bit better, but the low end was still weak. So much better sounding with a good full size 4x12.

[@ballsofdoom3124]

I disagree. Imo, the cab is not that bad. The speakers are better than the g12t-75 but not as good as a v30 so you really need to dial it in. Eq in the loop and boost the front is crucial. The stock speakers have a decent amount of low end and good mids. They break up pretty early which is nice being only 35 watts each. They are like a higher wattage greenback in character. But yeah... the cab construction is mdf and it's a bit smaller than a full size 1960

[@woodward_alan]

​@ballsofdoom3124 i was good at dialing it in. The speakers weren't my taste. I was after the v30s. Replaced with a Mesa cab and bingo. Even with IRs I cannot stand those style speakers. I only regret selling amps not realizing the cab makes up majority of the tone.

[@leearmitage]

never understood the hate for this amp, pair it with a good cab/IR it's a beast I keep looking out for one and hopefully one day I'll get one

[@vertabraille3709]

Love the Dusk and Her Embrace drapery, your grandma is a gem, and happy birthday! We all appreciate your advice, input, and help with achieving the best mixes we can!

[@JimmysGuitarGym]

Happy birthday man! (Mine is tomorrow!) I owned one of these back in the day….REALLY regret selling it!

[@J.D.0502]

Happy Birthday, buddy!

[@MrTheog1989]

woohoo! Happy birthday Scott!

[@InTheSh8]

I upvoted at the ad before the actual video! I know this is great content!

[@hardydrachmann8038]

Cool video. Also to add to this, if you can only find the 8080 combo model, that will sound equally awesome (same circuit).

[@soulsonicfx3826]

As some other people already said here, I think the stock 4x12 cabs these were usually sold with were the main reason they got a bad rep. They were slightly smaller than a usual Marshall 4x12, and the speakers were low powered with small magnets. I swapped the speakers out of mine for nice Webers and though the basic tone was much improved, it never got the big low-end happening. The undersized cab was a convenient size (fit into the back seat of a Volkswagen Cabriolet with room for me to squeeze next to it still!), but it really made the low end anemic and weak. The stock speakers seemed to emphasize the harshness as well. Playing it through a full-size 4x12 with nice speakers makes a world of difference and probably why so many folks are digging these amps now.

[@LarryWilliamsArtist]

Great vid. I had one of these back in the day and always loved it. I believe Chuck used one of these on the Sound of Perseverance, and some other Death albums. Good enough for me. Killer riff in the beginning-happy belated 🤘

[@LordEarthWolf]

You definitely nailed the “cold“ black metal sound quite well Happy birthday by the way!

[@carlsefni]

A Valvestate 8080 combo was my second-ever guitar amp back in the early '90s. It was a pretty cool amp -- or, at least, I remember it fondly -- and I recorded my first-ever demos in a studio with it. If I hadn't swapped continents several times since then, I'd probably still have it!

[@CoreyHunter]

I had one way back when I played in bands. It was great for Metal.

[@rickleblanc8900]

I used mine for classic rock to metal and it delivered big time. A great cab also helps. I got lucky and scored a good deal on a 1965A 4x10 cab, sounded awesome with that amp

[@mauricesanguinette8178]

Great video as always, happy beerday Scott, cheers!!

[@StigmatizedProductions]

Happy birthday Scott!...Very nice sound with the Valvestate and a very good melody...Keep the nice work going my friend.

[@DJ33]

HappyBirthday!!! I still have the 8100 I bought new in 96. Just love that amp.

[@CryptToneMusic]

Kinda like it without the boost, i like the chunkier low end since i play more loose punk riffs. But it sounds amazing with the boost as well

[@Zaspor]

Sick video as always dude! Have you thought of seeing how the Audiority plugin version compares to it? Just curious, sorry if you already made a video doing exactly that and I missed it

[@stacy_greyko]

Happy Birthday Scottланд 😁😘LU❤️

[@boersesaisonal]

Happy birthday Scott, healthy and .. all your wishes come true

[@caozarra]

Happy birthday,Scott!

[@cdawg-switchhitter2473]

Dude that song in the beginning is sick!

[@Epochstudios]

It's got that classic tone for sure. It's sounds okay, definitely not bad. But yeah I just prefer a more modern tighter tone. Need to pick one up though to have in my studio for those who want this particular sound.

[@bradzillarocks]

Only half stack I ever bought. For a broke teenager in 1995 it was great to get a Marshall half stack for $800. Unfortunately I'm not much of a guitarist. Great demo, shows what a good player can do with it. And happy birthday!

[@TheGreatBaronOBeefDip]

I have never heard of anyone hating these, these along with the ampeg crate and randall solid states are the sound of death metal.

[@clintmapes8454]

HAPPY B-DAY!! Hope u have a rockn day

[@depthsofdarknessofficial9677]

Got mine on doing a cover up tattoo and I boost it with the maxon od808 too suck a sick sound you got

[@caozarra]

An amp I own since 1995 o 1996 and nobody talked about ever and you can’t find anywhere is Carlsbro glx 150.Its a solid state and it never had any issue since I bought it. It could have separate EQ for channel 3 but it shares the same with channel 2 and only has a separate Clean Eq and separate volumes for the 3 channels.That is the only bad thing about it. It can sound a bit like a Randall. I remember Napalm Death used it around the Diatribes era.

[@satarello]

great sound. !! How you connect marshall to the interface? Are you using rective loader or what? all the best for you..

[@ChernobylAudio666]

Hey man! In this video it was probably the Two Notes Captor-X 🤘🏻

[@satarello]

@@ChernobylAudio666 thnaks bro !!! I have this unit and this maxon. Great sounding gear. You made o good sound.. I really like it..

[@chriscarpenter8122]

ive had a vs102r since 98 and i still love it

[@bebopsamurai_music]

That amp is a true gem and absolutely underrated I think the reason why many people hated that it were 1. no real tube amp you noob lol 😒 2. They didn’t know how to dial in that amp correctly (especially with the contour knob) 3. Guitarists are idiots 🤔🤔🤔 Love your demo dude Your content rips and your mixes are getting better and better with every video 🤘 Love it!

[@DeathinTexas]

Love your videos, man. I had a question about your DAW. Why do you prefer Cubase over the other options? No wrong answer, obviously, Im just trying to research before I commit. I used to use Ableton back in the day. I just downloaded Reaper to try it out but havent used it yet.

[@ChernobylAudio666]

Hey man, thanks for watching! 🤘🏻 I use Cubase because it has great MIDI writing functionality and capabilities, as well as easy automation writing. Also, drum editing and the "Events to Part" feature is something I couldn't live without!

[@DeathinTexas]

@@ChernobylAudio666 thanks for your insight. I appreciate it. Have a good one, man.

[@spoonerluv]

Intro song reminds me of Woods of Ypres, miss that band

[@johnwilliamdaly7453]

Yups! Me too.

[@DavChops]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BALDY BEARDY MAN

[@eightymusic]

Got mine for 70€ because "sold as defect". Amp-tech of my trust another 70€. Now it's like new and has killer sounds. Such a great amp!

[@boreanwisdom946]

Definitely one of your finest mixes! Cheers!

[@rickleblanc8900]

I had that amp for many years and It sounded great imo. Along with my 1965A 4x10 cab, it was a perfect set-up. Only reason I parted with it is because the band fell apart and I needed to downsize 😢

[@themixmusicandmore6280]

What are the chords used in metal that sound all eery and dreamy like the one in the intro to the song you played here? And how are they used?

[@krogwaugh]

My first valve amp, nobody I knew hated it

[@maraudermusic2714]

Hate??? Thought this was one of those hidden Death Metal amps? Sounded great!! Thanks for the demo!

[@zAvAvAz]

i love this amp and the ampeg VH140C, i feel the VH140C is better, its just they have different characteristics in sound really and this one you get the marshall name its a good amp better than digital thats for sure not only that it has even order harmonics in there for being a solid state that is hard to come by and it has a real tube quality in the sound as far as the preamp is concerned

[@caozarra]

As for Marshalls I remember the JCM 900 was cool but couldn’t get any great tones with a Valvestate.

[@mcinen67]

My first guitar amp was valvestate 8080 and it soundet awesome but I sold it. Damn. I could now, when I have more knowledge about speakers, keepet the amp section and connected with my Hesu Demon cabinet. Damn, damn...🤬 🤘😄

[@ughleegamer5598]

Happy birthday! mine is sept 8! lol

[@michaeledge7897]

Do you go straight from the lineout to the interface ?

[@Shawnmakesmuzic]

Amp sounds killer. I'd love to get my vs100 like that. Unrelated but is that a Dusk and her Embrace artwork flag under it?? I need one of those in my life

[@cmd_f5]

Honestly there's probs some hate because it's not all TUUUBE. This tone is killer bro And happy birthday 🍻 🥃🤘🎸

[@JackGraves]

Scott I’d think you’d a perfect person to do a comparison of this and the Audiority Solidus VS8100

[@dryzd]

OMG! That song is amazing! I love that kind of black metal.

[@alexanderschubert9975]

Could be straight from a Mgla album or one of those albums uploads on "Black Metal promotion". Really well done.

[@akosfarkas1159]

Happy Birthday :)

[@PooNinja]

Mmm blackback pack attack, Pete Thorn uses a blackback loaded 412 a lot, they are cool drivers. Contour , I thought only bass amps got those controls. If tubes were required for tone why is Ery bodys on tour using lil digital box’s ? Tone is in the mind! Have a great week Sir

[@PooNinja]

Happy birthday Sir 🤘🏽

[@matthewearl9824]

To make this thing shine you also need high output pickups. I have two of these and I wouldn't trade them for anything.

[@tobins6800]

Happy birthday. One of the reasons why this amp and the other VS ones got so much hate, unreliability. Some of them bonked out when you looked at em cross eyed. Others, still going strong.

[@EgoPhagist]

Dusk and her embrace \m/ what a sick record

[@VincentVegardSvart]

Metal Zone and Valvestate was my artillery 😁🤘🏻

[@francismcfadden3305]

The only reason I didn't buy one of these is because I've heard it has reliability issues. Considering how cheap they go for though maybe I should reconsider... I honestly don't know what there is not like other than that.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

I love my Master Effects Martyr. 8100 in a box.

[@kimo63kimo1]

I still have mine and I love it!

[@MK-oz2lf]

You’re way better off with the Martyr preamp pedal from Master Effects. It’s more reliable and same tone. Scott, you should also check out the Quilter Overdrive 202

[@Lukasz_KLAT]

People hate that amp because it's an amp that sounds great in mix, not in live band/rehearsal situation. It has kvlt status because of Death records and that's all. H&K Attax 93' and Randall RH100 G2, not to mention real kvlt status ss amp Ampeg VH140 or newer amps like RG1503 - those amps sound so much better and fuller than Valvestate.

[@cultshakere]

Do a spectre digital chernobyl amp sim with this. Make a cool s.t.a.l.k.e.r Black metalish ui and knobs representing your mix moves

[@Anthoniexg]

Great now I need one

[@zKySe]

where was the amp connected?

[@ChernobylAudio666]

With a speaker cable to the Two Notes Torpedo Captor-X

[@Metaldad87]

Yeah forget those mids lol But seriously the only marshalls I owned or played that I was just really disappointed in were the MG and the Code. No matter what I did those two never sounded good to me.

[@leongrinberg8758]

That's what the audiority solidus is??

[@devilreaper_inc6364]

I don't know why people hated this amp so much when I was growing up I had one and loved it and wish I still had it but mine was stolen eventually I will get another one.

[@dhplayground]

I would not say I hated it, as much as I had a real Marshal already... JCM800 :) Good luck hearing yourself through a valvestate when jamming with a guitarist with a 100W tube amp and a drummer pounding 2 bass drums! And back in those days, everyone jammed with other musician, we had no artificial bands(DAW) to play with at home, As far as boosting with an Overdrive, pretty much every metal guitarist I knew from 1986 and on, used one in front of their tube amps. But, I don't remember boosting being a thing in front of transistor pre-amps.

[@CrushingAxes]

Cool! Those amps definitely have some sort of a voice, some people hate it, but I think it's kind of cool!

[@WillieChilders-v9f]

I just feel like these amplifiers were a poor man’s JCM 800 or a plexi and they just sound really great

[@TheDeedeeFiles]

Cool amp

[@gregmccourt4730]

I don't. I love it.

[@leongrinberg8758]

Hey Scott! I hate that amp and I hate that thrash metal but I love your channel))

[@garretnelson2771]

There's still people in the comments refusing to accept that the Valvestate sounds good lol.

[@shaunlafountain7189]

Guitar players just need watch that treble knob... you can accidentally dial in some seriously wacked out tones if you're not careful! Lol.. definitely use your ears! 👂

[@marcuslangford4679]

If you live in the UK ignore the numbers he gave, they're about £120.

[@ChernobylAudio666]

Wish I lived in the UK then!

[@bloodwork100a]

try to play it with band :D

[@stacy_greyko]

Excellent video 😍 Now I know that you are good at joking 😂🗿

[@ChernobylAudio666]

Thanks 😅 I try very hard!

[@danmenez]

"Why Did People HATE The Marshall Valvestate 8100 So Much?!"...Well I'm definately one of them

[@galactusfortifier]

I have the same amp, and yeah. I think it has that odd "gonk-gonk-gonk" sound and its bit too nasal. For the price what it cost its was an ok amp when compared to amps that they had in stores back then in that price range. To be honest most ppl just think they like this amp cos it was in some 90's records. That preamp tube is a joke and the poweramp section is just so cold... doesnt have the "Oompf". I hate that amp :D

[@liaa5655]

nu metal bands dont boost their amp. so i boost it with the maxon i get the tone right :D:D:D: lol

[@liaa5655]

nice vid actually dont want to cringe keep it real youare good player good channel

[@liaa5655]

yes things you boost is probably was deal with the studio for eq i know that , sorry for the comment

[@krezorrr]

two words for haters: git gud

[@HugoWelti]

I don't think anybody hated those other than the people who like weak-minded music, LOL

[@DreadNovella]

There's not enough double picking. Lol just messing with your.

[@ChernobylAudio666]

Yeah it's a technique I was never really able to do, so I barely do it. 😂