Why did this British pump-action sniper not get adopted? With firearms expert Jonathan Ferguson

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Britain entered the Second World War with the Lee Enfield as its core sniper rifle. While it was an effective, accurate weapon, its very nature as a bolt-action rifle meant that users had to readjust their aim after reloading. The SREM-1 originated from a 1944 requirement from the War Office to tackle this very problem using an unconventional solution.
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@ironhead2008
@ironhead2008 2 жыл бұрын
"Keeper of Firearms and Artillery" has got to be one of the most kickass job titles out there.
@Gn8Lif3
@Gn8Lif3 2 жыл бұрын
specialy when used as a pickupline ;)
@onemorescout
@onemorescout 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gn8Lif3 “I know a lot about cannons…”
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
Try Toby Capwell, World Champion Jouster, then!
@davidlindsey6111
@davidlindsey6111 Жыл бұрын
Seriously though. What an honor. Many Americans are no doubt envious. Lol
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
@@davidlindsey6111 Not me, he's the American Curator of Armour at London's Wallace Collection, our ships are on an interception course as he's tearing the iconic Agincourt apart from a weaponry approach, I'm doing the same from a geopolitical angle on the edge of the Warburg Institute. When the Royal Armouries moved to Leeds, they commissioned a friend of the family (my late wife's, Welsh, you know...), Sir Karl Jenkins, to compose a work for them, The Armed Man. Where the idea came from is anybody's guess, it's possible Cousin Lesley, who ran his local, The Welcome to Gower, may have told him what we were up to, which was eventually gonged with the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize: the work culminated in catching the Roman Catholic seat of the Eucharist as it fell, which led me straight back to a new discovery in the roots of the Renaissance. The entire thing had been set up by a French Cardinal, attempting to stop the Hundred Years War, which had riven the Church, they'd ended up with 3 contending Popes! Allied with the Holy Roman Emperor who needed a unified Christendom to fight off the Ottomans, who clearly had eyes on the Danube lands - this is the setting of Vlad the Impaler, in passing - the French were irritants, and were taken down by Henry V at Agincourt. Now, Henry was closely allied with Burgundy, an HRE fiefdom, in the wool trade, so it doesn't take much to put two and two together, particularly with my experience at the same level in the modern European Council. Heck, one of my ancestors was the Sieur de Gosse de Gorre, head of a band of routiers, freelancer ronin of exactly the kind described in the work. Karl's is simply one of the most recent takes on a French folksong from the same area, first used as folk mass by Guillaume Dufay - it's been rearranged something like 80 times in the 600 years since. Coming into it tracing the religious side at the behest of the Belgian Supreme Court, I spotted this Cardinal had done exactly the same as we'd do now. He presented an argued case, where we'd use academic logic now, he used academic theology then. A Quadrivium case, where two of his team at the Concilium, Dufay and van Eyck, prepared studies of the text from which most Chrismas readings are drawn, Jan van Ruusbroec's Spiritual Tabernacle, the first consolidation of Eucharistic Theology. This was used to invert tgebsecular power structure, the Popes were now to be top dog.
@ExUSSailor
@ExUSSailor 2 жыл бұрын
That sounds like a really great way to make what should be a relatively simple weapons system, needlessly complex.
@mixmastermind
@mixmastermind 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it seems like a sharpshooter doesn't need the extra savings on weapon length
@mats7492
@mats7492 2 жыл бұрын
seems like a job for a german engineer
@user-un5xj1wl6p
@user-un5xj1wl6p 2 жыл бұрын
It's Czech design in one rifle
@TEAserOne
@TEAserOne 2 жыл бұрын
@@mixmastermind Well the bullpupness of this rifle really didn't hurt it, and if you can decrease length it's always a benefit
@janvesely6353
@janvesely6353 2 жыл бұрын
While odd, it is actually not that complex for what it is.
@DaisOfDestruction
@DaisOfDestruction Жыл бұрын
First of all, I'd like to express my thanks to Jonathan and Royal Armouries as well for even taking time to mention this and put it in the spotlight. I myself being Czech of origin, this means quite a lot to me, especially since I'm doing a little bit of a research of Czech firearms during WWI & II and pre-WWI & II. If you would like I could try to dig up these "unsung heroes" names from the archive of 'Zbrojovka Brno' (yes that "ZB" which would eventually collaborated into Bren gun), since I think that this rifle (being such an oddball) deserves this... ;)
@jackjones9460
@jackjones9460 Ай бұрын
Czechs design and make great firearms.
@dxb338
@dxb338 Жыл бұрын
You can tell he is a museum curator. He winced harder dry firing the rare artifact than many people do with live ammunition in a large caliber.
@bestrussianjaxfromrussia181
@bestrussianjaxfromrussia181 Жыл бұрын
I would too knowing that a dryfire can ruin my gun
@fpspwny995
@fpspwny995 Жыл бұрын
@@bestrussianjaxfromrussia181 The only one in existence I might add...
@zoeymcshane4789
@zoeymcshane4789 2 жыл бұрын
I only learned about this Rifle after Sniper Elite 5 came out. Such an odd concept I would’ve thought it stopped at the Drawing Desk
@supremeghost7950
@supremeghost7950 2 жыл бұрын
Even though its fairly complicated and awkward I find it's design with the pump-action oddly satisfying and pretty.
@LastGoatKnight
@LastGoatKnight 2 жыл бұрын
Same here. This gun would fit perfectly into the Star wars universe in my opinion. Because the vehicles and weapons (the older ones, not the sequel ones) are this mix of different things, with the main priority is that it can be cheaply model for the shots. This is why they look so iconic, chaotic and yet harmonic at the same time with e.g.TIE fighter and a Mon Calamari cruiser look so different and yet they fit perfectly into each other
@Stevarooni
@Stevarooni 2 жыл бұрын
Every innovation, however failed, improves the field.
@Aaron_mf
@Aaron_mf Жыл бұрын
The only one in the world! What a privilege to preserve this piece of history and show it off to the world - truly incredible
@TrainmanDan
@TrainmanDan 2 жыл бұрын
That is pretty much a nightmare. My grandfather had a Savage 99 which has a rear locking bolt that sort of drops down and back. It also has a sliding safety just behind the trigger. He put a round through the bedroom wall showing me how the safety worked. Very loud! Cheers, Dan.
@MadMatt13
@MadMatt13 Жыл бұрын
Great that game designers are working with you to make their games more historically accurate and realistic.
@jjforcebreaker
@jjforcebreaker 2 жыл бұрын
Now that's a title of a vid you can't miss.
@zwenkwiel816
@zwenkwiel816 2 жыл бұрын
I actually thought I read it wrong, I was like "cool, a pump action sniper?!" then he kept going on about it being bullpup and I was like "did I misread bullpup as pump action?!" had to exit full screen to check XD
@nigelosborne7471
@nigelosborne7471 2 жыл бұрын
Fabulous, I'd seen it in your book but to see it from multiple angles is even better. Thank you.
@whyjnot420
@whyjnot420 Жыл бұрын
I wish the camera showed his whole face when he dry fired it. It looked like it was painful and he was just expecting something to break.
@jimfrodsham7938
@jimfrodsham7938 2 жыл бұрын
I gained my Marksman badge on the old .303 in the CCF in the late '50's I could use the bolt without losing my aim too much, though whether that would be good enough for a sniper I don't know, it was good enough for a double tap once I joined up. My dad was posted as the Chief Clerk of the Small Arms School in Kent as a colour SGT in the Lancashire Fusiliers in the early '60's, he took us four boys into work quite often on a Saturday morning and we saw many fantastic small arms being tested. The ranges were just behind our Quarters in Dymchurch Cottages and we boys often squirmed up the sandunes to watch the action. Great times. Jonathan are your books available on Kindle?
@smokecrackhailsatan
@smokecrackhailsatan 2 жыл бұрын
Too picture heavy for kindle. They're available as hardback collector's books from Headstamp Publishing.
@jimfrodsham7938
@jimfrodsham7938 2 жыл бұрын
@@smokecrackhailsatan ah good point rewtuser, still, maybe in the future.
@Chiller01
@Chiller01 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like an interesting childhood.
@jimfrodsham7938
@jimfrodsham7938 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chiller01 I was an Army brat, went to an Army school and then joined up myself Chiller, I didn't know much else really.
@bman1824
@bman1824 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, Ian McCollum, owner of headstamp publishing and forgotten weapons, has said there will never be ebooks of headstamp titles due to piracy. Admittedly he has sound reasoning, but as someone with a large ebook collection and a small physical collection, id love to have one in ebook form as well.
@kebabsvein1
@kebabsvein1 2 жыл бұрын
Book plug within 30 seconds! Keep up the good content!
@thecircleoft.e.d2121
@thecircleoft.e.d2121 Жыл бұрын
Very odd to hear the words "pump-action" and "sniper rifle" in the same sentence, but I have to admit, the pump-action's visually subtle; was wondering where the hell it was on it. Plus, I love weird weapon designs like this are, so it's definitely unique.
@bmyattuk
@bmyattuk 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome to see a deep dive on this rifle!
@jon8304
@jon8304 2 жыл бұрын
I was aware of this rifle before SE5, but I love that it was included and I hope that people’s interests are peaked enough to discover your excellent video and seemingly endless repository of firearms history knowledge.
@slaughterround643
@slaughterround643 2 жыл бұрын
*piqued
@chasetower6773
@chasetower6773 2 жыл бұрын
Unusual for sure.
@Ferr1963
@Ferr1963 Жыл бұрын
05:00 By the time you shoot you have already lost the aiming point. Not to mention the extra movement of the hand and arm to pull back the grip and open the bolt. Push the grip again to feed the new cartridge. Retake the position and aiming again. The rifle is smaller, which leads to probably less weight and therefore greater recoil. Now, let's go to a poor single scope ring, which has to keep a telescope as heavy as No. 32 at zero after firing a 7.92x57 cartridge. Seriously, some designers were a little lost at the time.
@stephenbond1990
@stephenbond1990 2 жыл бұрын
A good comparison for the dropping bolt in a full power rifle would be the earlier Ed Browning self-loading rifle that competed with the Pederson and Garand rifles for the US Trials, there's a reason that Winchester changed the Bolt design of the G30 as they continued development, Forgotten Weapons has an entire series on the development of the G30 family for anyone interested. Here's the link, second video on the Winchester guns shows the problems with a bolt that drops into the stock: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6DMaHdsmMqSaZY
@skywalker4663
@skywalker4663 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this video! ever since i saw the gun in sniper elite 5 i have been looking for details on this gun but couldnt find much, you're video is nicely detailed and seeing the gun itself was awesome!
@wessexdruid7598
@wessexdruid7598 2 жыл бұрын
Jonathan is the reason Rebellion put it in the game, as he says.
@skywalker4663
@skywalker4663 2 жыл бұрын
@@wessexdruid7598 I know I saw his video on sniper elite 5 I added this comment because I couldn't find more details on the srem 1 anywhere and then this video came out
@johnyricco1220
@johnyricco1220 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the designer was the same guy who designed the Vz.54 sniper rifle. He lived in the UK during the war. The front end at least look similar.
@chesterrory
@chesterrory 2 жыл бұрын
Okay! ... Drumms!!!! It's a BULLPUMP-Action sniper rifle! Tadam-tssss
@smartassdroid5149
@smartassdroid5149 Жыл бұрын
My grandfather was WSI special forces/commando NCO and code breaker all through the war, serving in various units and regiments like the LRDG, SBS, SASB and 1stSSB. Running lots of recon, intelligence gathering sorties and capture/kill missions. He said they gave him and the blokes all kinds of experimental stuff to try, but in the end, most either didn't work or was too unreliable... (He hated the STEN and all variants for eg, if it didnt jam, it was just as dangerous to the owner as it was the enemy). Said if you had to be quiet, you used your dagger. The best British rifle he used was actually the P14, especially for sharpshooting. He tried to hold onto that for as long as he could, before they eventually took it off him and handed him a No4 claiming it was better (he didnt think so). Eventually late war, they were using a lot of American stuff (Which they traded booze and ciggies for). The regular UK Army would often "requision" their stuff prior to D-Day, so often had to go find new stuff or trade for it. Post D-Day tbey were dar better kitted out. The Bren was his all time favourite weapon of the war, it never let him down. They got the job done with what little they had. Special Operations often didnt have the best stuff, despite popular opinion.
@JelMain
@JelMain Жыл бұрын
SOE had half of Baker Street reworking everything anyway, as it had to pass German inspection in the street. Mum's aunt ran the La Libre Belgique, and she was picked up by MI9 aged 13, as their home became the unofficial consulate in 1940. By 43, she was one of the jailbait screen ahead of downed aircrew. She only let a couple of things slip, but then I found myself living among the Belgians who covered them while waiting for the next Comet Line run, and learned the lot.
@copisetic1104
@copisetic1104 Жыл бұрын
My family are long distance shooters, the right handers converted to left hand actions with bipod’s and the lefties to right hand actions. You can keep possession of the rifle and trigger better while you use what would be your front stock hand to reload and cycle the action. With a bipod you don’t need a front hand to hold the rifle it is now used to cycle the action. The back hand keeps the sights/scope on target and cycles the trigger.
@ryanford2965
@ryanford2965 Жыл бұрын
I have the unshakable feeling that he got some serious news like the second before they started recording
@Jiggyb00
@Jiggyb00 Жыл бұрын
Its funny seeing a real life rifle seeing more action in a videogame.
@RyeOnHam
@RyeOnHam 2 жыл бұрын
Ed Browning had a semi-auto with the bolt recoiling back and down: The G30. It has a related development to the M-1 Carbine. I think I got this info from Hatcher's Book of the Garand or maybe Hatcher's Notebook.
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 2 жыл бұрын
The G30 action was scaled down for the M-1 Carbine so the relationship is quite close.
@RyeOnHam
@RyeOnHam 2 жыл бұрын
@Kelly Harbeson I won't ask... because I have two also! Like the bible, but with more guns.
@iivin4233
@iivin4233 Жыл бұрын
Thanks to this channel and many others I have the most concerning wishlist in the country.
@keithorbell8946
@keithorbell8946 2 жыл бұрын
The idea of keeping the aim is sound, but it’s interesting that the British Armed Forces have kept bolt action rifles from WW1 to the present day.
@andreww2098
@andreww2098 2 жыл бұрын
they had massive stockpiles of .303 ammo and guns after WW1, and they were broke, so using what was left over made economic sense, when WWII started everyone was already trained with an Enfield the production lines were already running and there was no money or time to design and build the factories to make a new rifle and the .303 being a heavy rimmed round doesn't work as well in magazine fed semi/automatic weapons, though the BREN is an exception as mentioned in the Video it's only recently that Semi automatics have become as accurate as bolt action rifles and Accuracy International makes a really, really good bolt action Sniper Rifle, third longest confirmed kill in the world at 2,475 metres with an Accuracy International L115A3 long-range rifle this is why the British army stuck to Bolt action sniper rifles so long
@keithorbell8946
@keithorbell8946 2 жыл бұрын
@@andreww2098 and yet the Soviets and the Germans (two states that placed great importance on sniping) both used semi-auto sniper rifles in WWII…
@bigsteppamoe4173
@bigsteppamoe4173 2 жыл бұрын
@@keithorbell8946 yeah but they aren’t chambered in the bum ass round that is .303 british
@keithorbell8946
@keithorbell8946 2 жыл бұрын
@@bigsteppamoe4173 it was effective enough at the time, but by 1945 it was obvious that higher calibre rounds such as .303 were unnecessary, and there were more effective, lower calibre types in development. I wouldn’t say that .303 was a “bum round” it was still in use for the standard British sniper rifle (the No. 4 T) until the late ‘60’s / early ‘70’s with the adoption of the 7.62 L42. Taliban snipers were using the “Bum round” .303 in the 2010’s to great effect.
@Steve_Coates
@Steve_Coates 2 жыл бұрын
From the 1888 Lee Metford onwards.
@Brooksey1992
@Brooksey1992 5 ай бұрын
I would love to hear more your involvement with the Sniper Elite franchise please!
@zoiders
@zoiders 2 жыл бұрын
Its such a curious choice given how effective the No 4T was as a sharpshooters or snipers rifle. The bolt throw on the Enfield being so easy to use you can work it with just your fingers.
@TroopperFoFo
@TroopperFoFo 2 жыл бұрын
The fitelite scr rifle uses a downward bolt as it's an AR adapted to a traditional rifle stock.
@ihcfn
@ihcfn 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting as always
@solaraura8278
@solaraura8278 2 жыл бұрын
That is a fascinating design. I can definitely see why it was canned
@johnwiesen4440
@johnwiesen4440 2 жыл бұрын
It is a very good book. Love to read it alot.
@ZeHamberglar
@ZeHamberglar Жыл бұрын
"Why did this British pump-action sniper not get adopted?" Because just listen to that sentence out loud.
@timbrwolf1121
@timbrwolf1121 2 жыл бұрын
I was typing a comment about the vectors bolt when you mentioned it
@versebuchanan512
@versebuchanan512 Жыл бұрын
I felt like I was stroking out for a second there reading that title
@CWHolleman
@CWHolleman Жыл бұрын
Everything about this firearm in the title makes me almost physically ill. "British Pump-Action Bullpup Sniper"
@bazzathegreat3517
@bazzathegreat3517 2 жыл бұрын
My hunting rifle when I was younger was a Remington model 760 pump action. I really liked the rifle. At the time I thought a pump action rifle was just the coolest.
@derekp2674
@derekp2674 2 жыл бұрын
One of my UK shooting baddies had one until they were banned here. They were seen by some as the "gamer gun" for Running Deer Doubles at Bisley. I guess you had to fire two shots rapid at the moving (running deer) target and semiautos were not allowed for that competition.
@Chiller01
@Chiller01 2 жыл бұрын
What caliber? I had a Remington 700 chambered in .270 for my first deer rifle (Mulies in the Rockies). I had a grizzled old uncle that was an excellent tracker/hunter and he carried a pump action rifle but I forget the type.
@bazzathegreat3517
@bazzathegreat3517 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chiller01 It was .35 Rem.
@malcolmtaylor518
@malcolmtaylor518 Жыл бұрын
Probably intended more as a squad marksmen weapon, where quick follow up shots could be taken, or multiple targets. This rifle looks a neat, handy design.
@akmzd6938
@akmzd6938 Жыл бұрын
The marksman rifle emerged much later, when intermediate cartridges replaced full-power ones for ordinary service rifles.
@bobmetcalfe9640
@bobmetcalfe9640 2 жыл бұрын
Snipers - AFAIK - rarely rip the bolt backwards and forwards "at a fair old rate". And that looks to me almost as bad as a bolt action for destroying your sight picture, which wasn't a huge problem on the SMLE if I remember my cadet days.
@oubliette862
@oubliette862 2 жыл бұрын
sniper elite is a fun game one of the few I play anymore.
@tomasdelgado5233
@tomasdelgado5233 Жыл бұрын
If the bolt detach was in the handguard that might have been better, but pumping the trigger looks nuts.
@VanBurenPhilips
@VanBurenPhilips 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you for willing this into Sniper Elite. Now you've gotta make someone put an EM-2 in a game. MAKE THEM!
@sneakerfisch7684
@sneakerfisch7684 2 жыл бұрын
It already is, it was in Warzone for a bit lol
@VanBurenPhilips
@VanBurenPhilips 2 жыл бұрын
@@sneakerfisch7684 cool I'll take a look. EDIT dude I just searched 'warzone em2' and... oh god. I hate you for making me see that. 😭
@sneakyroots5210
@sneakyroots5210 2 жыл бұрын
I finished sniper elite not long ago and was hoping you would do a video on this! Not one I'm familiar with.
@reidycruise
@reidycruise 2 жыл бұрын
He does a Saturday video on game spot about weapons in games if you didn’t know pal
@sneakyroots5210
@sneakyroots5210 2 жыл бұрын
@Reidy Cruise I am but thanks for spreading the good word of Jonathan regardless :D
@gabrier165
@gabrier165 2 жыл бұрын
I'm tempted to say this was the inspiration for the Sommer & Ockenfuss Griffrepetierer. "Czech My Guns" did a review on one and this seems very similar...
@SnoopReddogg
@SnoopReddogg 2 жыл бұрын
Wish I had of brought one of those in the late 90s/early 2000s when I had the chance. They're Hobby Horse Poo rare now.
@johanarnfinnlvold5989
@johanarnfinnlvold5989 2 жыл бұрын
@@SnoopReddogg I own one. I got it for the equivalent of about 500€. And it was so worth it!
@mujdatozcelik8861
@mujdatozcelik8861 Жыл бұрын
Very cool rifle 👍
@oldmanpatriot1490
@oldmanpatriot1490 2 жыл бұрын
Given what we know about percision shooting today,,,, I would be interested in seeing the scopes of the world wars and how they functioned...
@nemilyk
@nemilyk Жыл бұрын
Because if there's one thing snipers want; it's a rifle with moveable grip that's also part of a loud, clacky action that requires you to move your whole shooting arm to operate (and I'm sure that bullpup trigger is a joy...).
@TheProfessionalDrift
@TheProfessionalDrift 2 жыл бұрын
7:51 I think the TKB-011 and TKB-22M also have a similar bolt concept.
@lsb2623
@lsb2623 2 жыл бұрын
This video was crazy! I'm into forgotten weapons, and this is a channel I would watch too. Weird one of a kind gun. Too cool.
@M0T0M451
@M0T0M451 2 жыл бұрын
A good few of Ians videos are filmed at The Royal Armouries. Wonderful collection.
@murunbuchstanzangur
@murunbuchstanzangur 11 ай бұрын
The pain on jons face while operating the weapon " with some welly " and when he dry fires it his expression can only be described as aghast. Its matched only by that pride when he says phrases like "the only one in the world" Just as a consummate proffessional in his field should. Jonathan is exactly what i want a keeper pf firearms and artillery should be. I can also see him doimg a cameo in a red dwarf episode, incidentally. Not sure why. Somethig about his humour.
@hungryhedgehog4201
@hungryhedgehog4201 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes I anticipated this review :D
@yeahbee8237
@yeahbee8237 2 жыл бұрын
Somner & Ockenfuss grieffrepieter was a german driven Hunt Gun made quite recently with the same type of reloading Czech My guns has a video about it
@johanarnfinnlvold5989
@johanarnfinnlvold5989 2 жыл бұрын
Sommer & Ockenfuss griffrepetierer. I have one, and it is very accurate. You can reload it pretty fast if you train with it for a while, but it is nothing I would ever consider for an infantry-rifle.
@johnathansaegal3156
@johnathansaegal3156 Жыл бұрын
With prototypes, at the time of testing, they are not thinking, "Let's keep this in as-made condition for a future museum", so if they are making another design, they will scavenge parts from the failed prototype to use in the next one they make - hence why scope and rings would be missing.
@megablaster349
@megablaster349 7 ай бұрын
Thought I'd chime in on weapons with bolts that ride a track down such as the SREM, the Russian TKB-011 I believe has a similar system to this. It was an experimental design in the early-mid 60's as a bullpup firearm with a wacky bolt system which can be seen by it's charging handle having to ride up to align with the barrel before pulling it back, no doubt meaning the bolt wasn't a typical straight or turn bolt design to it though ofc it was never taken beyond that phase as it would have been far to complex for any kind of widespread adoption.
@vulpsturm
@vulpsturm 2 жыл бұрын
Limies have a strange fascination with bullpup rifles. It's very strange the progression of this line up to the SA-80 boondoggle.
@SStealthbomb
@SStealthbomb Жыл бұрын
Before sniper elite 5 came out and there was only trailers based on the barrel I thought this was going to be similar to the Lee Enfield lol
@tristanc3873
@tristanc3873 2 жыл бұрын
The Garand itself is fairly like that, isn't it? Its bolt does drop down in the receiver and its track does go down at an angle. Much slighter than the SREM of course.
@borjesvensson8661
@borjesvensson8661 2 жыл бұрын
Never got that! Thats of course one of the reasons that the garand can have a relativley short reciver!
@user-dc6pm3mc4b
@user-dc6pm3mc4b Жыл бұрын
someone tell me what the 2 rifles bottom left in the screen are with the sling tacks on the bottom..... odd to see in the royal armouries
@boxfoxscoot1614
@boxfoxscoot1614 2 жыл бұрын
i imagine ripping the bolt back in a pump action would be more disruptive than a traditional bolt
@GaiusCaligula234
@GaiusCaligula234 Жыл бұрын
You'd imagine wrong
@scottjones8060
@scottjones8060 Жыл бұрын
Can you please explain how to reload this weapon ? Where are the bullets stored within the gun ?
@Chiller01
@Chiller01 2 жыл бұрын
Seems the propensity for poor triggers in bull pups would counter any potential sight picture advantage. It also seems the recoil of that cartridge would disrupt the sight picture more than either a pump or bolt action. Really interesting rifle though. The dead ends can be more fun than the successes.
@wessexdruid7598
@wessexdruid7598 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when we were issued with early SA80s in 1990 and went through NITAT (with .22 adaptors fitted). The rifle used to feed unfired .22LR rounds *into* the handgrip, behind the trigger - thankfully one was never crushed enough to go off...
@ATF43
@ATF43 2 жыл бұрын
Great presentation! nice weapon, but how do you charge it? magazine, clip, single load, precharge ammo in the stock?
@derekp2674
@derekp2674 2 жыл бұрын
In the video, I think you can see a charger guide for Mauser style stripper clips
@cdfe3388
@cdfe3388 Ай бұрын
I have an Enfield No. 4T model, which my Grandpa brought back from Korea. Supposedly he traded his Garand for it while waiting to board the troopship to go home in ‘53. As interesting as the SREM is, I’d much rather take the Enfield to war.
@JohnHughesChampigny
@JohnHughesChampigny 2 жыл бұрын
"We can now live with self loading rifles as true sniper rifles". So, waiting for an AR style rifle in .338 Laupua Magnum.
@huwtindall7096
@huwtindall7096 2 жыл бұрын
Was a good weapon in the Sniper Elite 5 game at least!! Interesting to know how they try to replicate actual performance into a computer game equivalent.
@sarchlalaith8836
@sarchlalaith8836 2 жыл бұрын
Perfection
@bev8200
@bev8200 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful wish some one would improve the design and put out a nice bush rifle
@marineduard6901
@marineduard6901 2 жыл бұрын
That's it folks . We reached peak cursed gun. Also willing to bet warzone will add this somehow if they didn't already
@chooseyouhandle
@chooseyouhandle 2 жыл бұрын
Pistol Pump Sniper sounds like a good band name
@carabus0354
@carabus0354 2 жыл бұрын
Where is the magazine or how do you load the weapon???
@tanfosbery1153
@tanfosbery1153 2 жыл бұрын
Is that a Parker Hale T4 target rife at far left of the rack directly behind you ?
@IRMacGuyver
@IRMacGuyver 2 жыл бұрын
The experimental Winchester G30M and related prototypes have a bolt that drops into the wrist of the stock. Also the Benelli MR-1 rifle and M4 Super 90 shotgun have a bolt extension that rides down into the stock to engage the recoil spring. Does that count?
@spoonamus7300
@spoonamus7300 2 жыл бұрын
an inclined bolt seems like a real dogs breakfast of geometry and design to machine a working action.
@loddude5706
@loddude5706 2 жыл бұрын
The bolt's camtrack looks like a 'Grit City' reservoir too . . . built to 'scrape by'.
@spoonamus7300
@spoonamus7300 2 жыл бұрын
@@loddude5706 At least you have a good hand hold to mortar clear the rifle when it gets sticky
@tarmaque
@tarmaque 2 жыл бұрын
Actually it isn't too bad. It's actually quite simple, and looks stronger than a lot of other straight pull bolt actions, which is essentially what this is. the only complication is to make it be able to tilt down into the stock, which was done rather cleverly by using the cam pin. In many ways it's quite similar to the Swiss K31.
@chooseyouhandle
@chooseyouhandle 2 жыл бұрын
similar to the MAS-36 submachine gun
@felixthecat265
@felixthecat265 2 жыл бұрын
The Pistol grip cocking comes from the BESA surely? (although the action is of course different)
@MegaGouch
@MegaGouch Жыл бұрын
I love that the British came up with a needlessly complicated design (which from the outset was a terrible idea) but ultimately thought "sod it this is too complicated" and just kept using the same rifle they already had for another 40 years
@brucebaxter6923
@brucebaxter6923 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not a dropping bolt but I vaguely remember a rotating system in the stock to absorb recoil and feed rounds? Mad looking clockwork thing.
@crystalbiro6158
@crystalbiro6158 2 жыл бұрын
That must be the German caseless gun prototype. I can't remember it's name.
@brucebaxter6923
@brucebaxter6923 2 жыл бұрын
@@crystalbiro6158 Kraut space magic? No, it’s old, 1800’s old. There is a huge heavy disk in the stock that winds a clock spring 270deg to absorb the recoil and feed the next round
@markworden9169
@markworden9169 10 ай бұрын
The Savage 99 drops down and back,but it's a falling block.
@kingkong81icloud
@kingkong81icloud Жыл бұрын
Cool gun
@beefgoat80
@beefgoat80 Жыл бұрын
Jonathan's videos always make me want to play games like RD2, or some such shooter like that. I have laundry to do, dammit. 🤣🤣🤣
@christopherwheeler688
@christopherwheeler688 Жыл бұрын
How and where do the cartridges go in? I can't belive that you didn't show that.
@dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073
@dwayneelizondomountaindewh6073 2 жыл бұрын
what a strange design. but very interesting for sure.
@minkinomics3002
@minkinomics3002 2 ай бұрын
Seems like with a straightline stock and a release lever under the triggerguard, you'd have the makings of a good system. Of course, the UK has access to accurized semiauto rifles these days.
@frankjrmuchnok2647
@frankjrmuchnok2647 2 жыл бұрын
Did I miss where the magazine is located, how many rounds, etc. ?
@Yupppi
@Yupppi Ай бұрын
Mr. Ferguson is this combination of features even legal in Europe? Pump-action bullpup sniper.
@shovelchop81bikeralex52
@shovelchop81bikeralex52 2 жыл бұрын
Clever idea! Only ever seen something similar but that was on an LMG where the pistol grip racked the first round. As for the cheek touching that metal cover, a rubber cover or leather glued over it would solve that, even the game model you showed has it covered with a wide canvas cover that would work too.
@MarvinCZ
@MarvinCZ Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's an accident that the LMGs you'll see using the system are from Czechoslovakia (and their derivatives, like the Finnish KVKK 62)
@thurin84
@thurin84 Ай бұрын
seems very awkward, but with a little refinement, it mightve turned out to be very natural and slick.
@harapaki3412
@harapaki3412 Ай бұрын
Ah the Srem ! I remember this from Sniper Elite 5
@glynwelshkarelian3489
@glynwelshkarelian3489 2 жыл бұрын
I splendid free extra to the book. I've got mine. I think it sold out(?). Pretend to buy it on Amazon and help get a second edition printed. Ian McCollum reprinted 'Chassepot to FAMAS' when it was being offered for more than the cover price.
@kevanhubbard9673
@kevanhubbard9673 Жыл бұрын
I'd never heard of this gun but apart from .22 Rimfire pump action centre fire rifles are rather rare.The Remington pump rifle springs to mind which was made in .30 06 and possibly other calibres too.I believe that it's held that pump action centre fire rifles tend to shake loose and are less accurate than bolt action.
@RvEijndhoven
@RvEijndhoven Ай бұрын
Of course the biggest mistake behind this design is the notion that it's bad for a sniper to 'disturb' their own sight picture by cycling the bolt in the first place. Because if you're a sniper and you want to keep your sight picture on the exact same spot after firing, it's because you missed and at that point you've either: a. already achieved your goal (if your goal, as it usually was for snipers, isn't necessarily to kill someone, but to force the enemy into cover) or b. already failed in your goal (if your goal _was_ to kill a specific someone, because if you have to manually cycle the bolt they'll probably have ducked into cover before you can fire again no matter how well you maintain your sight picture while cycling). 'I have to disrupt my sight picture to cycle the bolt' is the kind of complaint you'd find from people doing target shooting on a range, where the target is stationary and at a fixed distance, not in combat where having to cycle the bolt and re-acquire a target either isn't an issue or the issue is with having to cycle the bolt before being able to fire again in the first place, not whether that breaks up your sight picture (in which case the only real solution is a semi-automatic).
@TheWirksworthGunroom
@TheWirksworthGunroom 2 жыл бұрын
Was it even commissioned purely to demonstrate that it wasn't a good idea and that the status quo or a self loader were the only things worth pursuing?
@simonphoenix3789
@simonphoenix3789 Жыл бұрын
One thing I never understood is why countries didn't make magazine fed rifles their main weapon during WW2. I mean, by this point magazines were already commonplace right, and both the Russians and Germans had a magazine fed rifle. So why did other countries come up with solutions like this or even rely on bolt action rifles anyway? Is it because they didn't think it was necessary for soldiers to be able to have semiautomatic fire, or were there issues with magazine fed rifles of the time?
@stupitdog9686
@stupitdog9686 Жыл бұрын
I would have been interested to be shown where the magazine is, what it's capacity is, and how it's reloaded.
@clivedunning4317
@clivedunning4317 Ай бұрын
Did I miss any mention of how many rounds the magazine capacity was ?
@un1d
@un1d 2 жыл бұрын
This gun looks like images that an AI makes when you ask it to draw a gun
@txgunguy2766
@txgunguy2766 Жыл бұрын
Where's the magazine?
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