Why Didn't The Billionaires Deserve To Die? Destiny Pushes Against OceanGate Death Celebration

[@thescarecrow897]

"You dont deserve to die for making mistakes" League players : "debatable"

[@ukstevey]

Was this before or after the Paris cop callin.

[@augustineacevedo37]

U funny af 😂😂😂

[@ChillAssTurtle]

No ping =/= No right to life Simple as

[@Sue_Me_Too]

Playing League is a deathworthy mistake...

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@@Sue_Me_Too spoken like a true call of duty player.

[@ricecake4588]

If Hasan were in the submersible, would people feel the same way? Or is it different because he's only a millionaire?

[@lukasolson6581]

I would feel the exact same way.

[@anthbills307]

Well any random millionaire would only deserve it one thousandth as much as a billionaire, but Hasan specifically? I dunno...

[@meteorwalkergg]

I'd giggle the same stupid way he does

[@MaldingMan13]

Did hasans company decide to cut corners for his reason of death lol

[@SoiBoi_Kelda1059]

To be honest I would celebrate, but that makes me a hypocrite tho

[@tambourinesmusicmachine]

This is super justifying to hear. I was down with the memes, but from the start i was completely against these weirdos saying the folks aboard the sub DESEREVED to die for being uniformed. Happy to see Destiny push back against these awful ideas

[@nullobjecttype]

Personally idrc much abt the ppl who died and some of the memes were legitmately pretty funny. Then I heard far lefties defending saying that the 19 y/o dying was good for the revolution. Like even as a socialist, its pretty obvious some 19 y/o rich kid dying has no impact on ur cause 💀

[@ha-kh7ef]

@@nullobjecttype”revolution” 😂.

[@haimeur4773]

@@nullobjecttype ye the memes were funny, but i dont think saying they deserved to die really helps anyone.

[@storms888]

@@nullobjecttypethere is no revolution

[@G_Zilly]

@@storms888beyblade g revolution

[@Moshm4n]

I can use "everyone's gonna die eventually" to justify ANY death by this dude's logic. Now, let's talk about the Holocaust.

[@dwstrat1377]

@Moshm4n Exactly death is something no one can escape

[@rome7702]

My lawyer has informed me not to make a money joke

[@gloriouspurpose_]

Well the Jews didn't enact the Holocaust on themselves, the rich dudes.full of hubris however did bring it on themselves... So not a great comparison.

[@domerame5913]

Funny enough saying rich people deserve to die because they steal from the working class is not far from the justifications used in germany

[@SlothPossum]

thanks, seeing this comment prevented me from wasting my time watching this, if the guy he's talking to is that stupid.

[@michaeljoseph3475]

" Im spreading missinfo... im a lil bit evil" The most honest thing he said

[@Cliporis]

It's hilarious how people can dream about being a billionaire and think billionaires should die at the same time.

[@jht3fougifh393]

Envy personified.

[@bluebird5173]

People can want something and think it's wrong at the same time. Like having an affair, playing violent video games, eating junk food, or watching corn.

[@heroricspiritfreinen38]

​@@bluebird5173not the same thing at all😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

​@@bluebird5173 i too often compare waking up on the wrong side of the bed to murder.

[@SoulFistGaming]

​@bluebird5173 what kind of comparisons are these?

[@anthony452]

Funniest part is that it's all the people who demand compassion and acceptance from others who are first to wish death on those they disagree with.

[@Ktmfan450]

Hyperbole is a lost nuance

[@Cororo96]

​@@Ktmfan450True, but when every statement you make is hyperbolic then there is no room to be nuanced.

[@Rex-rg3ce]

I think there's a moral difference between going "these people knew the risks, I can't say I feel much sympathy for them" and "I'm performatively gloating about their deaths and saying more of them need to die so as to get my cosplay revolution virtue signal points"

[@maxsimes]

I agree, but its not performative for some. They actually believe that its good billionaires die. The reason being that in order to become a billionaire its impossible to not cause immense harm to many people

[@sugartoothYT]

It's really scary how many people there are who apparently are totally fine with not just disregarding someone's humanity because of how much wealth they have influence over, but think they have negative value. Where does it start, how many millions do I need to have before I'm a lesser human? And the most hilarious part is that everyone who thinks this way would turncoat the moment they reached the same wealth.

[@70othl3ss4]

Hasan is the perfect example of that. This guy has a 2 million dollar mansion and profits of millions of poor socialists who want to hear the ideas in their head be spoken by a handsome turkish man. Who is a bad person just depends on how much more or less money they have than hasan.

[@samueljackson3512]

If you have billions of dollars while people starve you do have negative value. You are actively hurting people, not even t have more fun yourself but just to have more power and a bigger number.

[@maxsimes]

@@samueljackson3512 yeah, billionaires are never 'good' people. Im sure bill gates is a nice guy, but the way he came to wealth many more people had to take a hit somehow. But that still doesnt justify celebrating their deaths

[@ravener96]

At nest you are passively hurting people, actively hurting people is you standing with the baseball bat. Me having water in the tap isnt actively hurting someone in a desert without water.

[@redvelvet9215]

I bet you’re a pro choicer 🤣

[@delornegg]

I think people conflate a lack of sympathy that they died with feeling like they deserved to. I wouldn't say they deserved to die, but I don't feel that bad that they did. They knew and accepted or disregarded the risks. They weren't doing anything heroic, just some bored rich people. Was a big shrug from me.

[@ladev91]

No, many were happy and reveling in their deaths simply because they were billionaires

[@delornegg]

@@ladev91 I get that there are some psycho's who felt that way. But listening to some of the arguments make me feel what I said.

[@Ajyia]

I don't think it's quite fair to say that they knew and accepted the risks. They knew there were some risks, but the actual risks and the risks were much greater. It's a bit like entering a plane knowing that there is some risk of crashing, but you might not know that the machine is in desperate need for maintenance, and both of your pilots are drunk. Yes, they accepted A risk, but simply did not know the extend of the risk that they put themselves into, and they might have made a different decision had they actually known all the facts.

[@delornegg]

@@Ajyia There are videos of them signing the waiver which was telling them the risks and that it was very experimental etc. They didn't care

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

​@@delornegg no one gets on a plane knowing it can crash ir knowing the state its maintenance team is in. no one takes tylenol knowing that one of the side effects in the 90s was "accidental death" . most people do not understand odds even if written for them let alone read a signed form. they didnt deserve to die nor caN anyone blame them for getting on a sub even if in hindsight it was faulty logic. expecting people to operate in what you believe you would have done is nonsensical

[@KarazolaX]

Nobody DESERVES to die. People can deserve punishment for their mistakes, but death isn't a punishment, because a punishment has to be done for the purpose of teaching right and wrong. When someone's dead, they can't learn from something.

[@coolboy9979]

Nah, my jungler does deserve it.

[@DestroManiak]

"death isn't a punishment, because a punishment has to be done for the purpose of teaching right and wrong." who says

[@coolboy9979]

The dead person doesn't learn from it, but that isn't the purpose of killing someone. The purpose is to get rid of them(hopefully to de-escalate a situation), rather than punish them and make them learn. Other people learn from it though.

[@MrAdamo]

@@DestroManiaksays “KarazolaX”

[@celebsindistress]

So if death isn’t a punishment, what would you say the purpose of the death penalty is?

[@RealmRabbit]

If I were one of the billionaires like, I would've expected it to be pretty safe because the CEO was on there... Like, what kind of madman runs a sub business, is a millionaire and puts himself on the sub and doesn't make sure that it's safe? Well, this one apparently... But you wouldn't think that... That's like an architect who builds bridges that it turns out are dangerous, but he's always among the first people to walk across every single one of them... Just perpetually putting his life in danger... You're not really going to expect that, that's highly abnormal... Like, rich ppl sometimes definitely do cut corners and put their clients in danger if they do a cost-benefit analysis and figure it's worth the profit, but to also put themselves in that same danger? You dying is never profitable... But yeah, you hear a CEO who goes on every submarine trip and normally that would lead you to conclude "Wow, this person has confidence in the safety of their sub!" It might even help sales, but there's a clear reason why you should only do that as the CEO if you legit have confidence in what you're offering...

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

The CEO was insane since experts had even told him his model wasn’t safe - but I agree, if the CEO is going with us, that’s like an endorsement that he believes there’s nothing unsafe about it.

[@anthbills307]

To anyone who would say that, I would tell them to read or watch Jurassic Park. It probably doesn't get any more naive than "This thing is good enough for the guy who made it up, must be good for me!"

[@FringeSpectre]

"Like, Like, Like, Like" Ffs dude you are typing. You don't have to type the same dumb way you talk lol

[@shgalagalaa]

⁠@@anthbills307Jurassic park one of the most influential research papers in academia…

[@barahng]

Historically speaking people who build amateur subs are FUCKING CRAZY. Remember the Swedish man who killed a reporter lady on board his home built submarine?

[@habijjj]

Tbh the only i dont care died is the ceo dude. Specifically because he knew that shit wasnt safe but proceeded on these trips anyway while telling the people going it was safe. He is straight up a bad person objectively him being rich really doesn't matter.

[@dillonblair6491]

Actually he literally told everyone that there was a chance of death and that it was experimental. Tge only person who really gets a pass is the kid

[@anthbills307]

Nah, the French Navy guy would have known even better that the craft wasn't fit for purpose, with decades of deep sea exploration and work under his belt. It's kind of disgusting that he didn't try to do everything in his power to prevent the trip from going ahead, but just got on because I dunno, he wanted to roll the dice.

[@frankmarano1118]

That type of ship gets weaker every time it goes down from the extreme pressure. Experts have said it shouldve been retired after the very first trip

[@melinagoranson]

he did over 30 trips and laughed at them for being paranoid.

[@FJaypewpew]

It 100% needed to be made of metal It was basically carbon fibre draped in plastic

[@Saru-yr3qk]

@@melinagoransonStupid comment. Yeah he did over 30 trips, but with different vessels that were designed for those depths. The titan, the experimental sub that imploded, only lasted two trips and imploded on the third. So much for those experts being paranoid.

[@barahng]

@@Saru-yr3qk This is why military subs have to pass a Federal accreditation program called SUBSAFE before they're ever allowed to put people inside them. The reason said program was created was because the USS Thresher (a sub) sunk in the 60s and claimed almost 200 souls.

[@KarazolaX]

There was a titanic expert on board that vessel who wasn't a billionaire. They didn't deserve to die. The son who wanted to spend fathers day with his dad in something that would have been profoundly memorable, for the rest of his life. We don't know how the CEO pitched it to his father, what either of them were told entirely. Even the CEO himself didn't deserve to die. I'll admit, I was rewatching Iron Man like a day before what happened, and it colored my thoughts a bit on him, but I was hoping he'd come out of that experience with an understanding of what he did, and could have made a huge difference a bit like Tony Stark does after he escapes captivity at the beginning of the first movie. And even beyond the way that the news have played Monday Morning quarterback on Oceangate, he was still a person, with a family, friends, and loved ones who will miss him when he's gone. It's easy for most people to blame and attach Malice on someone they've never met, but for me, I sort of have an opposite problem.

[@anthbills307]

It's been reported that the expert, Paul-Henri Nargeolet has a net worth of $1.5 billion, which actually makes him a candidate for the richest person on the submersible by a lot. I'm not telling you what to think, but if the standard of innocence is how much money you have, then he's guilty too. Personally, my standard is that he was a deep sea explorer for decades, going all the way back to his service in the Navy as a mine clearer, and he didn't tell the others how dodgy the Titan was and that they shouldn't get on it, but he got on himself so that makes the morality a bit murky doesn't it? I agree that the 19 year old got roped into it, I'm sure he's no saint but he was trying to do the right thing for his dad so no fault there on his part.

[@Ktmfan450]

The ocean gate CEO was either going to die or kill somebody else

[@DB1Dragoon]

This is cringe. Iron Man bro? 🤡

[@coreymeredith4001]

I agree with people attatching malace to the CEO being wrong. I dont think he intended to kill everybody and himselves. He probably genuinely believed it would work, they would be the first people to see the titanic since its sinking, and then resurface with an amazing memory. However he cut corners, brought expired carbon fibre to make the submarine and then it went horribly wrong. He didnt deserve to die. The father and son duo who wanted a great memory for fathers day didnt deserve to die. The titanic expert didnt deserve to die. Nor did the other billionaires. They dont deserve to die just because they have money. (Also a lot of people clown on the Logitec controller, but personally, if i had to pilot an aeroplane, a submarine, a boat, or a tank - i wouldnt know how to use the actual controlls of the vehicles, so if i can make it so i can just use a playstation controller to control it - AND IT WORKS - give me the controller any day.)

[@marcmaeda4905]

I agree with you, what's funny is that there was only potentially one billionaire on board, I'm not too sure why people are getting this notion that the CEO was a billionaire, or the father of the son, it was literally one British guy. But in terms of being opposite of the problem I completely agree, most people will just want to shit on them though. Don't take it to heart, some people just have nothing better to do but to type angry messages online I suppose.

[@AngryHandstands]

the argument that the sub incident doesn't do anything for knowledge\science like it does for Everest doesn't make sense.

[@Sue_Me_Too]

The only "science" that gets done on Everest these days is preserving the people who die for future science.

[@JJ-zn6ql]

Exploring the ocean would be much better for discoveries then climbing Everest for the billionth time.

[@Ktmfan450]

Plenty of rich idiots die doing that but it doesn't make the news until some jack ass gets carried off the mountain and doesn't thank his sherpas

[@hrolfthestrange]

'deserve' is a strong word BUT voluntarily taking risks that can and end up killing you does neutralize the aspect of it being a tragedy or being sympathetic. Like if 6 people voluntarily choose to play russian roulette, no person in the game 'deserves' to die but they have consented to the probability and inevitability that one of them will die making the death non tragic/non sympathetic, like play fucked up games get fucked up prizes. In this case there were multiple groups and individuals saying the vehicle was extremely dangerous and even the operator's public statements indicated the whole situation was dangerous but he thought it was worth the risk. SO if these people were aware of the risks and consented to them(and i mean we dont know exactly but i cant imagine most or all of them spent so much money without looking into the operation a little), then i dont think its some big tragedy that they died. If however they were truely ignorant of the risks and the consent process was deceptive then it could be a problem where they were victims of an unsafe and deceptive operation.

[@yomamma.ismydaddy216]

Gandalf already made all this crystal clear decades ago..

[@Ratchet299]

Of all the ways a billionaire can spend their money, exploring seems like the most inoffensive. It’s actually kinda admirable, to have that much money but still be willing to risk your life to see something special.

[@Punchmemommy]

Ok bro calm down. They’re not curing cancer. They were trying to see the Titanic. No need to glaze them. They can glaze themselves.

[@aiwillkillusall]

yeah, fuck helping the poor. Looking at underwater relics is way more fulfilling.

[@mikeparradise9333]

​@@aiwillkillusallPoor people gotta help themselves, thats how we get out of poverty, by working hard, not waiting for rich people or a communist revolution to save our asses

[@gloriouspurpose_]

Yea it is special, they joined the titanic wreck they were so obsessed with seeing for some reason. Maybe there will be some more stupidass rich people that will go to see their remains along with the Titanic in 10 years time

[@PhishyBusiness]

@@aiwillkillusallit’s they’re money, it’s not like they were funding death squads in other countries

[@josiahhance732]

“climbing Mount Everest isn’t that impressive” is my new favorite destiny take

[@dwstrat1377]

I only feel sorry for the kid becuase he didnt want to go. The two billionares knew this was a risk and the ceo took ever short cut you can think of to make that peace of crap. The Ceo was trash just for putting peoples lives in danger in the first place

[@gloriouspurpose_]

Yep

[@Enjoy1ng]

The CEO is the only one that deserved it. Knowing it's a risk means absolutely nothing. Technically speaking, you know it's a risk that a plane can crash whenever you fly, or that someone might crash into you while driving. It doesn't mean you can just tell people they deserve to die for going outside.

[@gloriouspurpose_]

@@Enjoy1ng Something more accurate is getting in a car that you know could definitely combust once you drive it too long, yet still choosing to get in it and also letting a kid get in too lol

[@DB1Dragoon]

​@@gloriouspurpose_ Not *COULD*, *WILL* combust

[@unconcernedcitizen4092]

@@DB1Dragoon No, *could. It had made plenty of successful trips.

[@jonesdaevilone]

I always appeal to the Milgram experiment. People believe people in authority when they are told its safe

[@pinip_f_werty1382]

I'm surprised there was a whole experiment about it, that seems like the most straightforward obvious thing ever.

[@richboii6597]

I think his argument wasn’t “they deserved to die” what he meant was “they asked for it.”

[@kietey14]

I think this is more accurate. Since they 'asked for it' with the risks, they deserved to die when the risk came to collect.

[@Punchmemommy]

There were literally news reports of how fucked up Oceangate was. The CEO is like “Fuck Safety. I’ll control this crap with a Logitech controller”. They knew

[@GikamesShadow]

He literally asks Destiny why they didnt deserve it in Destinies Eyes No I think the fuck not

[@GikamesShadow]

@@Punchmemommy Ok bud. Show me the proof of them knowing then. Please go ahead and show me where they knew how bad it was. How dumb do you have to be KNOWING stuff could very likely go wrong and still go onto that uboat? I dont know if you assume them to suffer from braindamage, but you certainly are suffering from it

[@satriowirawan3]

the old "they asked for it" argument, surely it's a wonderful and powerful point to argue if someone actually did deserve something bad happening to them

[@danielragsdale9849]

In no other situation would you catch non-billionaires saying “billionaires are way smarter than everyone else” unless it was a way to explain their blind death wish for people who have more than them.

[@aeric4304]

My issue with people drag them for being rich and doing absolute dumb things is that if most of us were in their postion, we would do the same thing. Lack of money is what prevents us from putting ourselves in that situation. So seeing people grandstand on this issue is kind of annoying

[@reddillon8425]

Uh, for most situations of billionaires getting themselves killed? MAYBE you could say that. But for this specific situation, it takes an absolutely special kind of complete fuckup of a person to do what Stockton Rush did. He was actively ignoring safety regulations and advice, firing people who were telling him his sub was unsafe, he was being told by everyone from submarine scientists to james cameron that his carbon fiber hull was eventually going to implode if he kept taking that shit out because it is just NOT a safe way to build a submarine. The only one I feel sorry for is the 19 year old. Benefit of the doubt to everyone else involved, I'm sure Stockton Rush was an absolute snake of a man who conned and talked his way to them believing that the sub was MUCH safer than it actually was. But there's two people who I cannot feel sorry for in any regard, one being Stockton Rush of course, and the second being Paul-Henri Nargeolet, who was a deep sea explorer and Titanic expert and thus ALMOST CERTAINLY knew better than to let anybody get on this thing or get on it himself, but he did anyway.

[@dru70292]

There was only one billionaire.

[@lindawenke2079]

They DEFINITELY didnt deserve to die, but saying that making the decision to being in a submersible at below 3000m is somehow comparable to doing any other kind of "extreme sport" like sky diving is crazy. I'm pretty sure oceangate is the only company that is even offering that sort of service, since its such a huge safety risk. Even in research people try to utilize ROVs as much as possible because they are aware of said big risk, despite regular safety maintenance. I feel the same about unexperienced millionaires dying on mt everest. It's still a tragedy for everyone involved, but maybe you can't just buy your way into everything and expect nothing to happen to you.

[@poadude]

I don’t know enough about the story because, frankly, it’s pretty boring. But my thought would be that if this is an actual company that does this professionally, all the moral and legal liability would be on the company, and the customers would be justified in putting their trust into a company even if there were some red flags. If this was a bunch of billionaires doing this in their free time it’s a lot different than a company putting on tours

[@DeynaAndSilaqui]

It goes beyond that. The sub was not properly certified for these depths, was built with very untested and experimental engineering methods/materials. There are like 9 other subs who can do what this sub was supposed to, and then go even deeper with no issues. But they need to be decommissioned or rebuilt after X number of dives due to the pressure, are built with very different materials and safety measures in place etc. And all of the owners/companies of those subs said THIS SUB is fucking DANGEROUS. Because Oceangate was focused on affordability/cutting corners to speed up development. The CEO was in interviews essentially saying that safety was just something that gets in the way and that if you're worried about safety you should stop getting out of bed because anything can kill you. The guy was a moron and died a moron, and people not looking into something like this before taking a trip are, frankly, also morons. They didn't deserve to die due to any moral reasons, they deserved to die because they were being retards.

[@blexxy5861]

Its actually not that risky james Cameron went down there 33 times.

[@vibez2806]

Is oceangate the only one because it is super dangerous or because it is a new thing?

[@Rex-rg3ce]

Actually to me, a very cowardly person, sky diving and bungee jumping and all that extreme sport stuff feels like insanity too. It's just about perspective.

[@sheev973]

I feel like there is so much hindsight on this with people going "its so obviously unsafe, I would never have gone on it" The only reason you even know that is because of all the news about it, you wouldn't have known anything about it and probably would have thought it was safe and regulated.

[@TheRealFlamingNinja]

It's not hindsight, many people were sounding the alarm months ago, try again.

[@sheev973]

@@TheRealFlamingNinja Idk I think the last time someone said the word submersible to me in a face to face conversation before this was never lol - I'm sure some people were but this guy talking to destiny is not James Cameron

[@TheRealFlamingNinja]

@@sheev973 maybe not you personally, but if you were booking the thing for a trip, or at least thinking about it, you would do your homework I would hope.

[@AcSlaytah56]

Look guys, I am fully convinced this guy doesn't know what "deserve" means. He's using it the exact same way you would explain something is "likely" to happen. Just because it's likely that getting in a car and driving will result in an accident doesn't mean you deserve it.

[@dinanga_revert]

the guy didn't argue it the way i wanted him to.

[@melinagoranson]

so hypocritical at 4:28 I knew from the beginning it was about their skin color, if there were black billionaires he would not say that.

[@dinanga_revert]

@@melinagoranson yea i was expecting the argument to be "the people who skipped every safety protocol and ignored all the warnings, deserve death. the 19 year old was young so if they also wanted to go it may have been due to influence from his father, so he may be not be deserving". And then the argument would follow from there.

[@ericmcmanus5179]

That submersible took 12 trips down to titanic depths before.

[@conot4006]

I wanted to give this a chance but I can't take bad faith arguments anymore. I get this guy is new but you don't have to win every debate you enter. If more of these people were willing to change their mind I think chat would like them more.

[@franklingoodwin]

Changing your mind so chat likes you is pick me behavior and isn't at all interesting

[@coreymeredith4001]

​@@franklingoodwinNono, you have intentionally reversed his logic. Its not: Changing your mind SO chat likes you. Its: Being willing to change your mind, accepting you were wrong, and chat begins to like you for it. One implies chat is the reason for the change. The other implies chat is the outcome of the change.

[@franklingoodwin]

@@coreymeredith4001 Regardless, how the chat feels about you or your takes isn't really relevant. Let the chat get in it's feelings. They're neither talking to or for the benefit of the chat. They're talking to Destiny or whoever is on the call. So why should they considered the chat unless they're talking just to illicit a response from the chat. You seem to think everyone should be like Zherka asking for for 1s in the chat for their cringe behaviour. They REALLY shouldn't.

[@coreymeredith4001]

@@franklingoodwin Once again you really are doing your best to avoid reading what is being said to try and argue something else. The chat doesnt matter, at all. However if somebody accepts that they had a wrong point of view and changes their mind accordingly, that is a good thing. And because they were able to accept that they were wrong, chat would like them more. I dont know how i can word it more clearly, i dont seem to think everybody should be like zerkah because i never even brought up zerkah, nor did i ever bring up that the guest should playcate to chat either.

[@thrash208]

Most people talking about the structural integrity of the sub had no idea anything about submersible engineering until after the accident.

[@shubashuba9209]

To be fair, the Ocean Gate submersible did have a 100% safety record right up until it didn't. 😅

[@Ktmfan450]

It lost contact with the ship multiple times and had to cancel dives previously Not 100% safe

[@JUNO-69]

“I don’t think people deserve to die for making a mistake” Unless they are about to steal $1 from you. That type of mistake and you get shot on site.

[@RanEncounter]

It is not a mistake if you are fully informed of the concequences. I don't think any of them would be in that sub if they knew they were getting shot.

[@RealFreedomMG]

It's always funny when people try to downplay crimes like the act wasn't a big deal. You might as well say "well he was only raping the girl for a few seconds, surely he doesn't deserve to die" As if the amount matters when talking about someone defending themselves.

[@ignotuscapillary8313]

My brother in Christ, it's not like the thief slipped, fell, and oopsied the money out of Destiny's wallet. They made the choice to steal. It's not a mistake.

[@hialeahtheo]

⁠@@RanEncounterthey were also fully aware of the consequences as well

[@josephk1342]

@@RealFreedomMGtheft amount absolutely does matter lmao. Every single state has different penalties depending on the amount stolen.

[@uh-ohspaghettio7826]

Took me 14 seconds to realize I don't need to watch this one. If you're too painfully morally r*tarded to not know why they didn't deserve to die then you're unironically not even human at this point.

[@chpgmr1372]

They basically were playing around with a loaded gun.

[@TR13400]

I mean I think he's saying they deserve to die for being so dumb, for putting themselves in this obviously life threatening position. He's basically saying if you're dumb enough to go hang on the edge of a volcano for fun, you're death is such a mockery of the gift of life that you don't deserve it anymore.

[@josephk1342]

Maybe not deserve, but it is a case of play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@jasonkunstmann327]

It took me until i saw the name "Evil Fossil"

[@bc9554]

With all the info that came out about OceanGates design policies around discriminating against certain groups of people despite their skillsets, its easy to make a case about how they deserve to die. Willfully putting themselves and passengers in mortal danger just to virtue signal by breaking civil rights laws, makes a good case study for other companies putting together similar ventures.

[@lustrazor44]

Every single marine scientist would be super offended by being told they’re doing nothing.

[@brandonjohnson2367]

To quote the warrior poet Lil Wayne "If you're scared go to church. You knew the job was dangerous when you started it."

[@blackhat4206]

“Life is a choice. Death is a decision.”

[@xtratoasty8044]

0:30, Definitely thought I hear Sylvester Stallone😂😂

[@ayokaven2fly]

You should never ask black hood people about curiosity. This guy is part of the problem that the black community hasn't advance

[@indeliblyronnie]

Most people don’t look at the safety certs when they enter a craft that they’re paying a company to use. People aren’t recognizing that they’re viewing this with hindsight.

[@luminous3558]

We have been trained by countless EULAs and ToS agreements to just handwave most of that stuff. Those things often also dont hold in court.

[@Bat0541]

"Deserve" is a strong ass word. That being said, This dude is basically saying "play stupid games win stupid prizes". He got way off base with the whole skydiving/rock climbing analogy. I keep the same energy with all that shit. If you climb big ass mountains, get lost, and freeze to death, or jump out of a plane and end up a stain on the ground, I'm not holding any candle lit vigils for you. Sure, you can call it a shame and all that, but you made a choice to do something you KNOW is dangerous, and if you DIDN'T know it was dangerous, that's on you. Same shit with this sub, the difference being, if most average people paid 250k for a trip on a sub to some of the deepest ocean around, and showed up on the day to find a small little tube, with some valves that had sharpie markings on them, and a shoddy looking video game controller for the set up, I'd like to think most of them would laugh, ask for their money back, and walk away, I know I would. The fact that these people can have all the money and resources in the world at their disposal and not have a basic sense for their own safety is what makes the whole thing so damn goofy. So no, not "deserved" but I'm sure as hell not crying over a Darwin award.

[@benk7234]

Billionaires going to the bottom of the ocean in extremely hazardous homemade soup cans is the rich guy equivalent to hopping into the gorilla enclosure at the zoo for fun. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

[@Braddockggb]

I deserve to die, and I'm not even a billionare. 🗿

[@melinagoranson]

based

[@billards9285]

I swear lycan has never said anything of value.

[@drizzy0712]

At certain points in this convo i litterally thought the meme “what is blud waffling about”

[@cryptotic5257]

I don’t think anyone deserved to die. The CEO earned his death through hardwork and dedication to his craft but no one, especially the families deserve that.

[@briano9397]

* through hard work and ignoring every safety measure while bragging like it's a good thing

[@melinagoranson]

Hasan and the Black Community think differently. If you have a lot of money and have white skin color, you deserve it.

[@EL-Nope]

​@@melinagoransonImagine if it were Oprah or Rhianna down there. They would still be in mourning

[@scottwaters998]

He also had a DEI program hiring engineers he built that sturdy turd.

[@sanders555]

Cucked for capitalism

[@onodatboi9041]

"Some of you may die but that is a risk I'm willing to take"

[@chumchum2191]

It’s crazy how far people go to justify them being happy for a person to die

[@coreymeredith4001]

Its as if these people arent happy with themselves and their own life - so the only way they can get any sliver of happiness is when people the dont like die.

[@mikeluss6213]

Keep virtue signaling dude

[@coreymeredith4001]

@@mikeluss6213 Is that really virtue signaling?

[@joshfranklin1894]

Jesus Christ, I just lost so many brain cells listening to that convo

[@melinagoranson]

"their" culture is always anti-white. If it would be black billionaires, I promise you, he would not say that.

[@Xypetotec]

Interesting he argued for more dives with his ideas on why Everest was different. Death adding value, the more people, the more experiences, make tech safer and the more others can access it. The more people dives to wrecks, the more experience can be gained to make it safer and less expensive. Thus making it safer and more accessible for others explore etc.

[@ElderlyKoala]

Basically by his logic we should be honoring these rich people because their deaths help society create safer voyages

[@Xypetotec]

@@ElderlyKoala well damn I'm not sure that was his intentions with the argument but you went even deeper then I did.. But in this case though wasn't the father some world explorer anyways? I think some may find it kind of fitting an explorer doing what he loves and his death, as well as the others inadvertently assisting with the betterment of civilian submersible tech following the logic a bit further... Hmm I thought dude said their deaths did nothing to help anyone but themselves.. 🤨

[@ElderlyKoala]

@@Xypetotec like I said he probably thinks hes being deep about the subject by bringing up all that crap but in reality he probably just doesn't actually have a good justification for them deserving to die now if he instead had the stance that it's not surprising that they died instead of deserving it then I could agree just like walking out of your house statistically increases your chances of die but he just had nothing to back up why he thought they DESERVED to die

[@Xypetotec]

@@ElderlyKoala yeah I was thinking something along those lines as well. Not shocked, dude ignored standards since they stifled innovations and several other critical lapses of judgement. So yeah I agree it's no surprise what so ever, and pretty much expected the series of events to unfold as they did. But still not a single one deserved it.

[@ElderlyKoala]

@@Xypetotec exactly for example madame curie i think died by radiation poisoning because she was working with radioactive materials is it surprising she died by it no not really because their knowledge on handling radioactive materials safely wasnt as good so she got poisoned but that doesn't mean she deserved to die

[@igorpedro8995]

This reminded me of an old question on EFAP "Does a person deserve to get an STD if they drank an e-girl's bathwater ?"

[@Sue_Me_Too]

Do gamblers deserve to lose their life savings? Do they deserve to win yours?

[@thrash208]

I love how all the billionaires on board were massive philanthropists and likely have contibuted more to the betterment of societies than all the tax dollars that these people will pay their entire lives

[@JDeezy3806]

I get the point of these comments but really “rich guy has more disposable income than poor guys to spend on charity” isn’t some ground breaking statement

[@RealmRabbit]

The "it could just be a camera" argument is kinda dumb... It's like "why watch a concert live when you can just watch it on KZbin?" or "why watch a movie in theatre when you could just watch it on Netflix?" or "why go into space when you could just use a camera?" Like, idk, it's different vibes to physically be there to see it with your own eyes rather than on a device connected to another device that is looking at it...

[@pinip_f_werty1382]

Easiest way to test it is look at a picture of the stars on the computer, then go look at the stars outside. It's a completely different experience.

[@hotlinewav]

theres a difference between saying that someone got darwin'd vs saying someone DESERVES to die. simple

[@barkter]

Stockton Rush sounds like it's from a dictionary. Stockton Rush- Ignoring safety standards to make money only to wind up dead.

[@Football7051]

Common sense is not common anymore…

[@melinagoranson]

Why would anyone trust anything in todays age? Never fly, never get into a car and never do anything remotely dangerous. Just stay at home and cry why they are rich and you poor.

[@nicholasg.5441]

Of course nobody deserves to die, but if they were informed of the risk and knew what they were getting into, I would hope they at least accept that they could die for science. Darwin award at best.

[@AHaptism003]

This Evil Fossil content between this and Kick or Keep is excessively amusing. Respect to the old ass tree.

[@Tonyrg1988]

Noone deserved to die, but the ceo was definitely asking for it, and he got it.

[@Ithinkjustzelda]

"do people that haven't done anything except being rich deserve to die?" We are truly asking lifes most important questions here. Keep pushing the boundaries destiny

[@toniokettner4821]

i don't think any two people agree on what "deserve" even means. deserve is a moral term, and i believe "he deserved it" translates to: "as a society, we would have punished him for his actions at least as much as what happened to him.". but because i oppose the death penalty, nobody deserves to die in my opinion.

[@toniokettner4821]

@mopmedia33 it means a lot of different things depending on what you mean by deserve

[@toniokettner4821]

@mopmedia33 ok what is it? are you gonna do a 'argument by dictionary' on me?

[@toniokettner4821]

@mopmedia33 "do something or have or show qualities worthy of (a reaction which rewards or punishes as appropriate)." meaning of worthy: having or showing the qualities that deserve the specified action or regard. "these issues are worthy of further consideration" oh no, we're in a loop

[@toniokettner4821]

@mopmedia33 because you're subhuman

[@BeauxJackson]

Sorry, but anyone that dodges regulation to make sure the mission can go on deserves what happens to them a couple miles underwater. This whole “Did they really deserve to die?” Yeah. It doesn’t matter that they’re billionaires. They could’ve been flat broke and did the same shit and they’d still deserve what happened.

[@Theo-vn9hm]

I don't feel bad for the CEO as he so blatantly disregarded *anyone* telling him he was being unsafe, going as far as firing people for it. And yet he got other people on board. Deserve it? Idk, he did bring others into the sub, the rest though? Nah it's not reasonable to say they deserved it

[@Ktmfan450]

They certainly paid for it

[@aries8910]

Deserve is too loaded. I don’t think any human DESERVES to die, I just don’t really care that they did. Besides the kid, they’re probably the last people in society I would use my energy caring about. It’s objectively unfortunate that they died, I guess, but they had everything they needed and sincerely made a choice to do something stupid af w their money. Millions of people don’t have what they need to even live, so I’ll use my energy caring about those people.

[@frostpyr0]

This guy saying black people deserve to die for not complying with police... No shot...

[@AssyrianTitan]

many shots.

[@melinagoranson]

Of course they do. They get a chance to live, but they decide not to. Just teach them to cooperate with the police, otherwise you will be shot and you will deserve it.

[@SHADOWCLOUDGAMING]

When someone sits there and says "bro", "boy", and "bet" every other sentence I immediately don't want to listen to them.

[@ryanhopson9172]

no shot

[@mathmexican4234]

I see it how I see cave divers or free climbers. Like, I'd shrug my shoulders and be like "welp, it is what it is". If a free climber falls to his death, I'm not going to lose sleep and weep at situation....

[@TheLumberjack1987]

The outstanding darwin award is the only thing to celebrate here. If they looked at this shoddy sub and didn't immediately nope out of there they did in fact kinda deserve it.

[@chpgmr1372]

@@BrandonHeat243 If I went out and did those things knowing full well that I could die I would accept that I deserve it.

[@burner627]

@@BrandonHeat243is earned a better word than deserved because if I kept swimming near hungry crocodiles eventually I’ll get what’s coming to me

[@hialeahtheo]

@@BrandonHeat243if you consent to driving a beat up car that looks like it’s not road worthy and proceed to crash and get injured, it’s is entirely your fault and you deserve the consequences.

[@chpgmr1372]

@@BrandonHeat243 Im sorry, I should have included "unnecessary risk." Cars are the biggest killers because of the amount of people driving. If I was the only one on the road then the risk basically drops to zero.

[@NewMetaTV]

I hope you have the same opinion about people getting raped then

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

I believe being a billionaire and being morally/ethically good person are necessarily mutually exclusive realities. So, I don’t have sympathy for the billionaire, but I wouldn’t say he needed to die.

[@FringeSpectre]

Why do you believe that? And why do you draw the line at billionaire and not millionaire?

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

@@FringeSpectre A billionaire is 1000x richer than a millionaire. Understand that a millionaire and billionaire aren’t even in the same ZIP code of wealth. A billionaire is someone is necessarily is conducting exploitive business practices and has enough monetary power to materially change the lives of their nation’s citizens for the better - but 100% of the time they lobby to make it worse. Like 80% of bad public policies in the US can be directly traced back to billionaires bribing (lobbying) politicians to enrich themselves further. The idealized version of a person that Americans love, I have no problem with. Someone who works hard, is smart in business, and has grown a company that pays employees well. But that’s not what billionaires do.

[@sanders555]

​@astrospect Uhhh because billionaires are literally a thousand times more wealthy. That's like asking where you draw the line between a pebble and a boulder. 🙄

[@FringeSpectre]

@@sanders555 that doesnt answer my questions. Speak less please.

[@dr_nocturnal5486]

Destiny:"I don't know why you think you deserve to die for making mistakes. Lol" Also Destiny:"If you try to steal something from me, you deserve to die. Good bye."

[@dwstrat1377]

@dr_nocturnal5486 i agree with you completely and the part about if someone steals from another thety deserve what they get no matter what happens to them

[@RealFreedomMG]

That's a bit more than just a "mistake" lol If I walk down a dark alley way at night and someone robs me, I made a mistake in judgement but I didn't deserve it. If someone is going out actively trying to rob, rape and kill people they aren't making a mistake, they are trying to harm people lol

[@dr_nocturnal5486]

@@RealFreedomMG that is in fact a mistake. And Destiny has stated that even simple theft with no direct personal harm warrants him killing the person on sight. A dumb 20 year old stealing a TV is a mistake. But this is a mistake that Destiny thinks deserves death. It's inconsistent.

[@RealFreedomMG]

​​@@dr_nocturnal5486If you think not tying your shoelace is the same type of mistake as someone actively and consciously aggressing on someone by robbing them then you need help. I wouldn't be on a jury of a robbery case and argue "Well we all make mistakes, I once stepped on a Lego and I don't deserve prison for my mistake so why should he be punished for a mistake" You know they are very different. I wouldn't be punished for stepping on Lego but I would for robbing an old lady. Why is that?

[@josephk1342]

@@RealFreedomMGbut would you sentence a thief to death for stealing if you were on a jury?

[@streetside2833]

This is a wild debate.

[@pey-yote]

They didn't 'deserve' to die....but goddamn the memes were funny

[@SpecterSeventy2]

The Titan had 7 previous dives to the Titanic.

[@tygeberger5100]

Destiny: "You dont deserve to die for making mistakes" Also destiny: French Algerian teen shot by police deserved to die.????

[@donet0death240]

They can’t be gta tier mistakes. Ppl could get run over 😂.

[@TheGreatJ]

According to that logic you could say that almost anything is considered 'a mistake'. When police have you at gun point and you had been driving recklessly through a city and you try to drive away, yes you do deserve to die because you are endangering other people. The Titan sub people do absolutely no such thing. You understand this logic, right?

[@RealFreedomMG]

Do you think someone deserves to be in prison for a mistake? Like yesterday I dropped my phone and cracked my screen. Do I deserve prison time just for a simple mistake, So because I wanted a new phone I robbed by elderly neighbour and used her money to get a new phone. Do I really deserve prison just for the mistake of dropping my phone?

[@tygeberger5100]

My point is that I don't think resisting arrest warrants being shot, also he was driving fast, lots of people drive fast, I still don't think that warrants the outcome of getting shot

[@RealFreedomMG]

@@tygeberger5100 It depends if the person can be reasonably found to be an active danger to others. It wasn't that long ago in France where someone did decide to use a vehicle to kill a bunch of people in Nice. Would it have been okay to kill that person before they drove their truck into that crowd of people? Would you say the life of the person actively trying to cause harm to people outweighs the innocent pedestrians?

[@erikvaldes4293]

I think a Fossil could go a step further and say not because of his stupidity but because of his hubris, because it wasn’t necessarily the stupidity but the fact that he was so egotistical to go through with it and take others lives with him

[@161x10]

Truest statement ever. It’s not ignorance or stupidity that gets you killed: it’s arrogance.

[@TheRobMr]

The anime pfp is the true beauty of this

[@aries8910]

I wouldn’t kill anyone but I’d save those guys last.

[@Nettamorphosis]

“I don’t know if climbing Everest is this monumental thing” … man, WHAT?

[@PhishyBusiness]

Imagine thinking someone deserves to die and celebrating their death because they were dumb. I wonder if people think that The King of Random deserved to die

[@Ktmfan450]

His wife said that he died doing what he loved Thats almost the same thing

[@D3vilUS]

I was in the u.s. air force, they didn't use proprietary controllers to control the drones.

[@jacksyoutubechannel4045]

I think the argument that they should've known better would be more compelling if: 1) The submersible hadn't made the trip before. 2) The CEO hadn't gone down with them.

[@LesterBrunt]

Lets say you want to do a safari and all the trips are like 500 bucks and then there is one guy that is like “I’ll take you on my bicycle 25 bucks, perfectly save bro, I’ll be here with you and did this like 7 times already” you are really going to cheap out on that? Risk being in it with lions, hippos, whatnot to save a few bucks? That is what these guys did, you don’t go to the Titanic in a private sub for 250K.

[@KingHalik]

People are so cruel...

[@Tantive]

If people were sorted by purported deserving fates, beware anyone in your life you feel has ever been slighted by you - falsely or truly.

[@ObsidianSecret]

this dude wasn't saying anything, and it almost sounded like he was ready to guilt trip too like when people do what they want to do this guy wants to be the "i told you so guy" any mistake in front of him, he is going to be the judge how bad it is on a scale of 1 to die.

[@DomAtaGlance]

My guy is actually 100% correct. The second I heard that the pressure hull was made from carbon fiber I immediately started laughing. Their is no fuxkikg way I would ever get into a deep sea submersible made out of plastic. No wfucking way

[@Freethecommons]

Billionaires honestly get way too much respect especially outside their given area of expertise.

[@MrAtbillings]

That first guy reminds me that I live in a relatively intelligent bubble in the world, and that there's many people that I would consider "exceptionally" stupid--but they're not "exceptionally" stupid.

[@HulkTheSurgeon]

I don't even know why it's a debate. No one "deserves" to die for being rich. Anyone who thinks that wealth has some form of punitive karmic justice related to such are mainly just projecting their jealousy into hatred and celebrating death. The only person I find it hard to feel pity for is the CEO who dragged them all into that deathtrap of a submarine, but no one there deserved to die. Anyone who says they "deserved" it needs to be checked into a mental ward for sociopathy and psychopathy. -Signed: A poor person who actually has empathy for all living beings.

[@larky368]

Damn, that was the most intelligent ape I've ever heard. It was almost speaking proper English and forming nearly infantile-like logical deductions.

[@zhenyucai8688]

Ok the military thing....when i served they did just use the 20$ logitech controller....

[@Sue_Me_Too]

My dad used to work on IED disposal robots and they all used xbox controllers. It's a lot easier to make the robot work with a familiar interface than it is to teach people how to use a new set of controls.

[@FringeSpectre]

I would say resisting police is "engaging in stupid behavior", but i dont think anyone wants to go down that road.

[@trashdoge1217]

I dont think they deserved to die but nothing of value was lost millionare does something extremely stupid and dies oh no how horrible 😒

[@yota8325]

Did he really say there's nothing more dangerous than going in a sub

[@deagle2yadome696]

play this guys voice whenever someone says “how can somebody SOUND black?”

[@ChichiNaka]

ask him if Kobe deserved to die

[@melinagoranson]

He did deserve it

[@justzeroboros]

Kobe did more for good things and actually put in hard work. What did those billionaires do their whole life? They ain’t help or do any type of charity.

[@jugarnaut40]

I'm so glad i found this video. I was laughing at the jokes and the memes, but then I'd read the comments under and it would be filled with people who seemed unironically happy that these people died a horrifying death. It wasnt just contempt, it was pure hatred for someone just because they were wealthy.

[@phoboskittym8500]

He is definitely afraid of the ocean...

[@Sue_Me_Too]

If you can't swim then maybe you shouldn't talk about the ocean...

[@phoboskittym8500]

@@Sue_Me_Too you can talk about drowning in the Ocean though...

[@Sue_Me_Too]

@@phoboskittym8500 How much could you add to the conversation aside from "I'd drown if I tried that" ?

[@shidcat9322]

black literally projecting his inability to swim

[@ThenewMattClark.Canadaprison]

Climbing everest is definitely a test of will. Lol

[@ThenewMattClark.Canadaprison]

Destiny couldn't do it. No disrespect, but let's get real

[@AwsOm3Fac3]

They signed a waiver that said that the sub wasn’t safe and would most likely kill them so yea the only one I feel sorry for was the 19 yr old who didn’t even want to be there.

[@tommyyoutubechannelok]

The waiver didn't say you most likely will die. It just says there is a chance for death

[@michaelroy6630]

Every waiver says that tho... You don't have to feel anything for them, but we can't claim to believe in human rights for everyone and then say these people deserved to die, especially when they committed no obvious crime

[@chpgmr1372]

@@michaelroy6630 I can claim to believe in human rights for everyone and then say some of these people deserve to die when they took an unnecessary risk.

[@dwstrat1377]

@@tommyyoutubechannelok to be fair that sub was crap some parts came from camper world another a video game controller and the houl was questionable there is a video of them making it online somewhere

[@tabby842]

@@tommyyoutubechannelok Didn't it say it wasn't approved by any regulatory body? I'm going to what, 12k ft deep, in a vessel that wasn't approved? Sure! What could go wrong...