Why Do BRAND NEW Machines Get Traded In?

[@chuckman2219]

I probably fit into 3+ of these categories.. new owner, retired, tractor therapy.. possibly dropping dead in the next few years. my wife should be contacting you in a few years...

[@brandoncaldwell95]

Least your wife has plans 😂

[@peterwill3699]

She can bury you first. Haha.

[@petergarland5020]

@@peterwill3699 As long as she keeps the tractor long enough to do the digging. My wife is learning to use ours now, lots of practice holes in our yard

[@scotbogart6551]

My wife told the delivery guy that she wants to learn how to use the backhoe just in case she needs a husband upgrade.

[@MrThenry1988]

Lol. Old bastard. Stay safe.

[@bradbosland2212]

“Tractor therapy” luv it and can totally relate too!

[@matteogomez3678]

Man you need to trade a tractor for a new roof, it’s hard to watch videos when my eyes keep gravitating towards those nasty looking shingles 🤮

[@laprepper]

I want a tractor really badly but I need about five acres first

[@jaybee2344]

How big of tractor do you want? Just just buy a compact model and get familiar with it..

[@trentelswick7673]

Hey I have 2 1/2 acres and I have an 83 hp John Deere 5083E Limited with a cab. I bought it for pleasure mostly but I do move some very heavy things. My neighbor bought a jewelers safe that weighs 3100 pounds and he’s using it as a gun safe. I put the pallet forks on, lifted it and delivered it right into his garage. He would’ve had to have hired a rigging company to professionally move that safe.

[@JoshuaHoldiman]

I bought a new BX23S a few years ago from a local dealer and tried to trade it in almost immediately, way too little tractor for what I needed but the salesman was a good salesman. Had nothing but problems with it and wanted to trade it in with under 10 hours on it. I couldn't do it because they were gonna keep about 6 grand for 10 hours of figuring out where the next leak was gonna start and wondering why the backhoe wouldn't scratch the dirt. Even now, two years later with 100 hours primarily as a lawn mower, the third function valve doesn't work and it'll refuse to start every now and then. Your videos were the reason I bought Kubota, but that dealer is why I never will again.

[@brandoncaldwell95]

Its all down to dealers now. Brand doesnt matter other than price. I have a wonderful Mahindra/New Holland dealer. Wont go deere as the dealer suck around here. My needs changed, and i sold that tractor. Found another tractor much larger for the new purpose.

[@peterwill3699]

New ones are really winny.

[@That1Carson]

Personally, i buy all tractors used, only new tractor i ever bought was a zero turn john deere. If you are willing to put in the mechanical and electrical work buying used will save you a ton of money.

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

Excellent coverage of a very popular yet rarely discussed topic!

[@timostler857]

Need some new shingles on that building.

[@Chris_In_Texas]

Exactly what I was thinking... Looks like its about 10 years past its useful life... 👍👍😎

[@DonnieDarko727]

Saving money for the dealer loan

[@LiveeviL6969]

I was thinking the same thing. Glad I don't have a need to post that now.

[@ridgerunner106]

I'd leave the new ones at the dealer. Buy pre emish only.

[@countrymorgan2942]

I’ll be back to read the comments on the roof 😂

[@MessicksEquip]

the roof needs its own video.

[@arthurr8670]

The roof needs its own video series, don't under sale that roof.

[@chriskent577]

Must be a roofer.

[@jaybee2344]

Another issue with used equipment and higher financing cost is... Warranty! How much of it is left, if any? 🤔

[@FF5754]

I have 20 acres and have a M7040. If I could do it again, I'd get the biggest tractor I could afford at that time. A few neighbors have newer tractors with all the def, scr, dpf, and alot of headaches too. 1 guy is a JD, other is a kubota like me, other guy has a MF, the newer tractors of any brand seem to have emmission problems. Makes me scared to buy a new 100 plus hp that I can really use.

[@nervousordo]

I just sold my 90 hr L3301 because the Kubota salesman didn't understand what I was going to do with my tractor. Now 2 yrs later I got the tractor I SHOULD have bought, MX5400. I should have listened to my instincts and not to the salesman or my wife.

[@bpfirehunt0192]

I wish my local dealer would have spent time and questioned me about my needs. I bought a bx2380 and love it for its size but its deffinatly not what i needed and its not near the machine that the old b 2150 i had. The cut quality is not even comparable to a zd 1211. I am so glad u r putting this video out and i hope other dealers see this and take note.

[@frosty6720]

How do you find out if a piece of equipment has a lien on it? Excellent vid / topic.

[@jbcowherder6210]

when it comes to equipment, rent it first if possible. use the crap out of it, find out if it's what you really need. or, buy what does 95% of what you need and rent that bigger piece of equipment for that "once in a while specialty project".

[@LiveeviL6969]

I bought my tractor with 60 hours on it because someone has reason #1. Best investment of my life! 1200 hours later I'm still enjoying it for my "tractor therapy". Wife- "Honey, can you hand me that rake? Me- "Let me go get the tractor to bring it to you".

[@greg86z28]

The discussion about liens is really important. Tractors are nothing like cars, where it is far easier to understand if there is a lien against the vehicle (tractors have no title or registration). It's something to more cautious over - especially if buying private party.

[@nemo227]

It's been my experience through many years that the best salesmen/women actually help the customer buy the best, most suitable, equipment for their needs. In my own business my customers were sometimes surprised when I showed them a less expensive way to get what they needed.

[@nrth-ng9sm]

Having an nice machine or brand new ones cool. But they're too expensive. I waited five years looking for a backhoe I was thinking about Kubota used one I was thinking other brands this and that went through everything in my head. Then I found a 1974 case 580b backhoe for $2,300 everybody thought I was freaking crazy it was a biggest hunk of crap on the lot but I saw something. Had to Flatts broken window leaky cylinders it did not look good at all left side door was torched off to get inside it sheet and steering wheel needs to be replaced. But it started up and didn't smoke diesel after another 2500 dollars took care of that and my time fixing it myself so for 5,000 bucks. Everything fixed works like a charm been using for the last three years with no problems now. Now my neighbors want to buy it or rent it for me. Sorry it's a piece of crap remember

[@farmalllover8217]

Nice video. The most common around me is someone older bought it to play with as there therapy toy and trade it every so often for something different.

[@cleonmain1291]

My L3200 gear drive was purchased new in 2012, it is a perfect fit but I only put about 30hrs a year on it. I have to have a tractor on hand for chores but my use is limited. I recently added a B2301 loader tractor so I have more capability. I don't expect the annual use to change much but when chores are waiting I need the correct equipment on hand. They will easily last for the future ownership of my rural property. And make having a rural acreage really possible. I did research the size and type of equipment that would be best suited for my land.

[@tx_mountaineer8203]

I worked at an RV dealership in college. We sold the same RV 3 times one summer because it was too small for each buyer....always talk to the salesman about your needs before buying

[@NoSQLKnowHow]

Now that I have an excavator too, I so want to trade/sell my b2650 and get a larger HP tractor. Since that does not make financial sense, I have not done it.

[@jamieshields9521]

Great vid👍my father had buyers regret because he brought to big of a tractor but show him time save in travelling but biggest plus was the front end loader as it lift two bales instead of one. I reckon save on hours, it’s 4 cylinder in big 6 chassis n good hydraulic flow.

[@earlyriser8998]

i love the bloopers at the end as it makes it show how hard this is to do well, which Neil does.

[@svtirefire]

My tractor has been in the family since before I was born, so I guess I'm not too good at getting the latest models.

[@arthurr8670]

Unless there is something on the new model that justifies the extra cost, there is no reason to upgrade. Emissions might be better but the cost will be terrible just for that. Most new features aren't needed unless you are doing something specific that will use that new feature often.

[@brucethomas3100]

@@arthurr8670 Well Sir, I have a 44 year old Ford tractor with a little more than 4,000 hours. It still runs great, no GPS, no particulate filter, no regeneration needed, just drop the bottom plow, give it fuel and go. Loader works fine, shelter kept, purchased from the original owner. Don't need the headaches and hassle of a newer tractor.

[@dan33klein]

Great video, should make another and go into more depth of kubota financing/liens on equipment. And buying/selling equipment that do have liens on them

[@cagrowin1962]

I can totally relate to tractor hoarding...

[@brandoncaldwell95]

We bought used and saved thousands. New equivalent was 30k along where we bought ours at 20k. Tractor turned to be too small after 2 years. Next tractor turned out to be cheaper to buy new.

[@otahu26]

Only Reason I bought my Tractor was to save on my ATV. I only put 27 hours a year on my'n. I plough a small garden and Plow the snow in winter and fix up my road to my camp. Since 2015. I am only at 311 hours. I'm told that's low hours. I bought the tractor to save me money and time but also to last my life time.

[@jerrytheriot6113]

Tractor therapy ! Thats me. I only have 1 acre back yard. I have always wanted a tractor. I finally found myself at a time in my life that I could afford to buy a tractor even though I didn,t have to have one.

[@tangoseal1]

I have a Grand L 4060 and I have yet to realize this things full potential and I have run it through the grinder so far and it keeps delivering the goods. I was running rotary cutter today and day before digging up dirt piles and this Tuesday pulling trees with a hydraulic front end tree puller. tractor just keeps on delivering. And to think I thought I needed a big 100hp tractor but this 40hp is just really delivering the goods. I think a person should give a tractor more time rather than thinking dumb make believe realities that just aren't so.

[@leedawson8301]

I've found that the more land I clear/clean up the smaller my tractor is getting. I will of course keep my little 40 hp tractor but I will need a bigger one soon.

[@brandoncaldwell95]

Thats the same issue we have. We had a 45hp mahindra 4530 6ft shredder. Great tractor, other then the seat becoming unbolted and the marker lights blowing. Everything else worked great. We were second owner. 2 years at 100hrs when we got it. Sold it at 2 years with us and 300hrs. Tractor proved to be too small after we began to have less time. Now, Mahindra 6570 cabin with 12 batwing. Only 20 acres, but the tractor size is whats required with 15 of it clear. Rather spend 8 hours shredding than 2 days (rough ground that thick with grass).

[@christianworthinton8000]

Good video. A greatn salesman. I would buy a slightly used.

[@wasupfool5692]

Biggest reason is people realizing they bought too small of a tractor

[@gregflaugher9363]

ive ran tractors since i was 11 years old retired now still enjoy being on a tractor

[@jesseamaya4413]

Oh boy I hear you there. Work in an industrial compressor shop. Some of the nice things about being on a tractor (especially cuttin/clearing brush) 1. Cannot hear the phone. 2. No wants to approach a piece if equipment that is regularly chunking 1 inch sticks and prickly pear catctus 50+ yards..

[@hphillips7425]

Good video with an interesting change of pace.

[@freedomlawnservice1987]

Cause people find out the bx can only really lift a pallet with about 350lbs on it lol a real bummer

[@hugostiglitz8465]

I agree.Get the biggest tractor you can afford I never heard anyone say "I wish I went smaller".

[@cornholio114]

Because of cheap bastards like me realizing their subcompact is no substitute for a real tractor.

[@scottelder3141]

Bought my L3540 in 2019 with 150hrs. Got a great deal

[@pureblood3127]

Or the hour meter was disconnected and emaculately kept

[@davekana8388]

Neil the tractor therapy guy, dig it!

[@bropocalypse2065]

Same reason I’ve traded my wives in early. Weren’t up to the task. My old lady now is one of them automatic gps tractors with 300 hp and a sturdy bucket ain’t nobody gonna get her with low hours

[@laanfox4778]

I'm just curious what are your thoughts on LS tractors?

[@muddpuppy07]

Same as New Holland, considering LS builds New Holland tractors.

[@rupe53]

My brother travels quite a distance to buy used with low hours... and he doesn't put more than a few hundred hours a year on the stuff he buys, mostly because "digging dirt" is not his primary business as a landscaper. OTOH, renting or leasing works out to be more money annually than buying right and turning it over again in a few more years. When he gets done with it in 5 years the unit was cared for like he owned it (because he did) and looks mint so he will get a good buck. In the meanwhile, the unit is at the job on HIS schedule and if it needs to sit there for a few days he's not paying rent while waiting for some inspector or supplies to show up. Owning at the right price has advantages!! Examples of where his stuff was previously used might be a horse breeder who basically used it for cleaning up after mucking stalls, or grading a riding rink weekly. Another use he came across was a guy who bought a machine to build his own house, along with the finished landscape. Never left the property and only did a few full weeks of work on the foundation over 2 years time.

[@chiefmik9108]

Hi Neil, we lucked out on our New Holland Boomer 45, with a cab/AC & radio, which had 18hrs on it... Turns out the prior owner bought it then found out it was too small for his usage... Had my thoughts when i saw the 18hrs, but the dealer transferred all of the warranty and off we went... It is working great and meets all of our needs...God Bless...Stay Safe...Chief..{NYS/ADK}

[@frantzjensen3983]

dude , you need new shingles on your building, looks like a failing business, that can't do property maintenance , and if you can't do that why would a customer think you can maintain their tractor.?

[@dwoodog]

wish you guys were up here in Canada.

[@MrThenry1988]

I have 230 hrs on a 2019 1725 Massey. I knew exactly what I needed. I have vids you can watch. All of these tractors could do what mine have I think. Keeping them properly is important.

[@osuoiler3605]

It's amazing to me that a) people have the money to buy a tractor just because they like tractors and enjoy running one, and b) people have the money to trade one in at low hours just because it was a little small. As a small farmer, I've had the same machine for 20 years now and still don't have the money to upgrade. Probably never will with the way these prices keep getting higher and our profits are increasingly negative. Times are bad in agriculture, real bad.

[@BretAllenStudios]

My new L2501 gets the job done on my 31 acres since only about 18 acres is pasture, however, I would like to upgrade to a cab tractor at some point. It’s hot as Haiti in TN during the summer. Maybe a Grand L is in my future, but the emissions garbage has really scared me away from bigger new tractors. Perhaps some enterprising individuals will come up with an emissions delete package for the modern tractors? Nobody around here would say anything about doing that, in fact it would increase its resale value by a lot! 😂

[@steph756]

Neil, I'm glad to see you're eating well!

[@357bullfrog2]

Where is your dealership located? I'm in Kentucky but for a good deal and honest salesmanship it would be worth hitching up a trailer and making a drive

[@dwayneloftice2326]

Great and appropriate review, Neil! I shopped for over a year before I bought. I knew my needs very specifically down to the height of my grass. My dealer was also tuned in to my needs like a great heart surgeon.

[@nfavor]

I'm guilty of 1 and 4. Only once did I buy the wrong thing. I did all my research. It should of been fine on paper but I guess my truly wanted something different than I thought I did. My advice there is to take as much time as you need at the dealer. If someone isn't willing to spend enough time with you then walk out and go somewhere else!

[@thall6076]

I got the bx2380 few weeks ago and wished I got the b2301 and my dealer finally got some in and really don't want to talk about me trading for the b2301.

[@turbodiesel4709]

Because all too often, they bought something they never should have bought in the first place. Either it was far too small for their needs, or on the other end of the spectrum, they never really needed it in the first place.

[@anthonysaucier2919]

Do they make any batwing mowers for the smaller bx2380 tractors

[@MessicksEquip]

No, not gonna work

[@anthonysaucier2919]

Ok thanks.

[@DougBittinger]

Good point about buying a piece of lightly used at 5% or new at 0% (at least for awhile)

[@davidcassady8491]

Looking for second tractor right now using my TL80 NH but that is tractor with grapple on it can't do both at same time

[@davidcassady8491]

Could you tell me which tractors pump at least 15 gallon /minute hydraulics need for Hoelshler accumulator

[@terrymcgillicuddy8056]

Enjoy all your videos. Very detailed. Thanks 👍

[@shelw195]

Does Kubota provide documentation when a tractor financed thru Kubota is paid off ?

[@greghickox9508]

Shel W, I financed a used L 4200 through Kubota and finished paying it off in April. They sent documentation the same as with a car loan or similar type finance stating the loan was paid and they were releasing any claim to the equipment.

[@mothman-jz8ug]

Too bad you don't have a tractor around to mow the weeds down a little.

[@snickrologen]

I find these specific “wine growing tractors” to be great with their compact measurements but still packing a punch, like the Kubota Narrow series etc.

[@Ramdodge582]

sounds like a dangerous job, repo-ing tractors.

[@WyattH]

And this is why you rent the one you think you need and see if it is good...

[@garyroach3479]

The funny thing u still charge about same price for a used equipment as a new 1 and can u say highway robbery when it comes to buying used equipment

[@MessicksEquip]

lots of videos on this. Not great if you the buyer, but good if your the owner trading it in. Its an investment that retains its value.

[@evandickens3917]

How do you know what the right machine is? Small square heritage hog breeding pin clean outside. And market gardens

[@denisrhodes54]

case 1816 repower with honda or “similar” engine great lift capacity, visibility, light weight, bucket, pallet forks, and pulls a harrow

[@deercreekmechanical]

I’ve told many many of my friends exactly what you said at the end about financing. In my opinion machines like these are a cash buyers market because like you said when you have to finance, the cost difference is little to none, if not overall more cost for used unit. That’s why I got my L3200 in 2012, local dealer had a L4xxx can’t remember exactly. Initially the used was cheaper, but after I added up the financing, I would have spent approximately $4k more for a used machine. No regrets to this day. It ultimately comes down to being a smart consumer and looking at things from all angles.

[@trentelswick7673]

It really makes no difference in the long run because equipment that is well taken care, of no matter the age holds it’s value. The equipment can always be ready to do work at a moments notice. You always have something that’s a very capable and can act as a true workhorse.

[@cardinalforlife1143]

Why should I buy a Kubota over a KIOTI

[@MessicksEquip]

Because its better.

[@Freakingstang]

More reliable. Better dealer support. Just wait until you have to wait on kioti parts.... the warranty on kioti is horrible

[@hugostiglitz8465]

Kubota makes 100% of its tractor. Parts are easy to obtain.

[@MrFrankturbo1]

I hear ya , when it snows , I hate to park my orange babies , it really is therapy playing in the snow !

[@curtanderson8655]

I am with ya on that. I bought a BX2360 used, snow blower, front blade, new rear blade and I can move any amount of snow I want. Have a GX345 John Deere with a blade and blower but kept getting stuck and then my wife said well so and so is down the street so go do them and I went from 4 driveways to 10. No problem getting them done now with 4 wheel drive.

[@danstevens2204]

Sold out of brush cutters I see 😂

[@derekdreke4990]

Tractors are the best

[@jerrysalgat3406]

Very good. I agree with all your points. Thank you.

[@petermarte70]

What does a dealer consider "low hours"?

[@MessicksEquip]

Under 200

[@bryansmalley2296]

Sold send me 2

[@DonnieDarko727]

Payments!

[@googleuser6875]

Good info!

[@hahahaha-dr2ge]

I got 6 skid steers now lol cause I like to f off / play

[@denisrhodes54]

i’ve got just one, case 1816, but would like to find a bobcat 963

[@randymagnum143]

Hey, i have a serious question. I was perusing Nebraska's test results, and was shocked to find very few Kubota reports. More to the point, most of the Kubota reports lacked the results of the drawbar tests. What gives? I was looking at results from a 50ish hp tractor with a loader that will lift at least 3k lbs, that would pull 3 16's, a 10' disc, a 9' haybine, safely handle a baler and loaded wagon on hilly ground, as well as a 3pt winch for forestry work. I'm already concerned about the relatively poor hp hr per gallon under load, and low torque rise #'s im seeing. I am now wondering if maybe i won't be able to find a replacement for my well aged tractor that will adequately handle the job, without going to a $100k machine. Any input?

[@MessicksEquip]

Nebraska does not generally do tractors that small

[@randymagnum143]

@@MessicksEquip i found the test for the M5700dt. No wonder kubota doesn't submit the smaller tractors to drawbar testing anymore. Oof. I do however feel it's incredibly dishonest that there isn't a disclaimer in the advertising for these tractors, that they are not intended for tractor applications.

[@MessicksEquip]

Nebraska is one of about 15 labs. You can find more info if you look at those websites. I did a video on it at some point.

[@denisrhodes54]

j a pan has an “equivalent” branch of the nebraska test look for an older farmall, perhaps a 400

[@randymagnum143]

@@denisrhodes54 What i have now is better than that, lol. I suppose I'll keep using what i have. Nebraska has copies of a few tests from Japans lab, but there are no drawbar reports.

[@jamestiller6125]

B S teir 4 regs

[@Crashing310]

Roofs not fixed yet?

[@trentelswick7673]

Fast facts on financing: Currently Americans have a record breaking $14.1 trillion in consumer debt. There is a record shattering $1.3 trillion alone in automotive financing debt. When the second financial crisis comes it will be in big part due to the automotive debt. The average credit score for Americans is 680. The typical American household is in an average debt of $137,000. That’s $51,000 more than in the year 2000. Did you know that many billionaires have poor credit scores? Most don’t have a personal credit history because they don’t have revolving debt. A persons income and net worth do not play a role in calculating credit scores by the three major credit bureaus. Billionaires do not need credit because credit is for poor people. They just don’t need to utilize credit personally and it’s basically an unknown concept to them. Credit scores are given to average people and awarded to them for being in debt and continually in debt. They give you a higher score so that they will take out more loans. Billionaires can afford not to pay certain debts and still get away with it. They are at such a financial level that they can take advantage of any monetary situation and profit on it.

[@MessicksEquip]

There is truth here. You'd be surprised how many well off people can't get financed because they have no lending history.

[@trentelswick7673]

@@MessicksEquip I’m just astonished that most Americans went $14.1 trillion into consumer debt. I’ve also noticed that people in their 20s want to make money on Instagram being “influencers” instead of getting real jobs. As in Hollywood that only works for a select few.

[@MessicksEquip]

@@trentelswick7673 hey hey hey your talking to a KZbin tractor celebrity here :-)

[@DC9Douglas]

@@MessicksEquip i completely agree. Neil I'd be happier to see you than some Hollywood actor! Ive been riding along with this channel since it was around 3k subscribers, by far my favorite. Thank you!!!

[@trentelswick7673]

@@MessicksEquip yes, but you have sales skills, training in construction equipment, agricultural equipment, turf gear, and training in High end sound equipment. You have a true career, you’re not some millennial with tight pants and gelled hair looking for a free ride while vaping and guzzling Red Bull all night. I live in the north east and I noticed that in the rural farm communities that people are more closely knit together and they care about Folks more. Agricultural and construction guys tend to be a lot nicer and help folks.

[@claetuswoodroofe4164]

There is another reason for low or no hours trade ins I have seen on several occasions. I have seen where a customer is so unhappy with a machine that the manufacturer replaced it with another but before using it they traded it to a competitor dealer for a different make

[@MessicksEquip]

Yes, those are usually sold as new though, not used.

[@thefrub]

"buy a little bit larger than you think you need" Gosh, I wonder why a salesman would tell you that

[@lesgallivan4159]

I started with a 40 hp loader tractor, moved to 80 , then to 100 , and to 135 , ended up with 180 hp . Every time I thought " boy , this is a lot better"

[@thall6076]

hello neil, you think you could help me i purchased a bx2380 2 months ago new, and wished i gotten the b2301 or b2601, you have a business email i can send you my serial number and pics of my kubota and work out a estimated deal, i used your contact us on your site twice and never heard from anyone, my bx has the front loader and 60 inch mowing deck and plus i put money down as well. thanks neil. my name is Thomas hall.

[@MessicksEquip]

Yes. [e-mail]

[@SingleBottomBoys]

Hi Neil, I was wondering where you dealer you work at is, I live in PA, and was wanting to buy something off of you thanks

[@MessicksEquip]

5 stores circling Harrisburg. See www.messicks.com