Why Do I Still Struggle with My Pre-Conversion Sins?

Ask Pastor John
Episode: 1402
Transcript: www.desiringgod.org/interview...

[@daniellynch5703]

As somebody fighting sexual immorality and trying to turn away from such a life style, and turn to Christ. I struggle with guilt and anxiety whenever I fall again into such sin, But because God is graceful and generous, know believer he will not turn from you when you turn to him. This is a truth I am still learning, and I pray that someday (hopefully soon) I can look back and thank God for how far he’s brought me. Prayers are always appreciated. Thank you Pastor John, and praise God for people like you.

[@yestothetruth]

If you are in 100% agreement with God about doing his will for the rest of your life, you will become "dead to sin" as the Bible says (1 Peter 2:21-24, Romans 6:1-2, Romans 6:11): that is how you will be set free from sin (John 8:34-36, Romans 6:4-7, Romans 6:14-18). If you are dead to porn and porn is dead to you, then you will be walking in freedom and overcoming it by the grace of God (Titus 2:11-14). That is different from being in a constant battle. You can be once and for all victorious in Jesus. The key is to obey Him. Hebrews 5:9 And having been made perfect, He [Jesus] became the author of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him It is the truth that will set you free (John 8:31-32, 36).

[@mv3380]

I became a Christian 12 years ago. I still struggle with alcohol, I get up every morning with intentions of quitting. I believe the Lord will help me out of this rut eventually. Prayers are appreciated, I'm not giving up. Wow. Thanks for all the support and prayers. I've read through most of the comments. So I am attending church regularly, and in one of the churches community groups. There were some wondering why I struggle with alcohol. I definitely do have some resentment issues, anger, self hatred for some things I have done even after salvation. So basically now I'm trying to spend more time in prayer, scripture and actually talking with people about my issues. I truly believe with time I will cut this sin out of my life permanently. So yeah... just trying to get to a point where I love jesus more than anything. Again thanks for all the prayers and support. God bless you all.

[@craigdrury4756]

Shayne Reimer me to brother i go back to it out of frustrations

[@JFlyer1973]

Shayne Reimer i am praying for you this very minute. And for myself. I became the dog returning to his vomit this year. I continue to pray for God to help me win this battle against my fleshly desires. We both need to keep looking to Him. We can do all things through Him who strengthens us.

[@faithdefender5186]

I'm the same way with pornography. I have to crucify it daily.

[@MrMcGuck]

Please Google “The Unconverted Subconscious” God has saved you through Christ but He doesn’t just let you off the hook from real world issues. Pick up your cross is exactly that a day in and day out struggle/fight against your learned behaviors and beliefs in your subconscious aka the “Old Man”.

[@JFlyer1973]

Issachar Sky your words are very helpful. God uses you to help those who need it. In theme with what you said we have His word from 1 Corinthians 10-13b “but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.” HE is that way.

[@naut_nigel]

"We are becoming what we are." Wow I have to sit on that one.

[@AtamMardes]

Christian writers created the resurrection hoax by making up a fake empty tomb story & fake eyewitnesses/testimonials, but didn’t realize the sin-sacrifice-resurrection implies a superstitious God who values blood-sacrifice, which was a common practice back then - e.g. sacrificing a goat for a new home. Superstitious early folks who valued blood sacrifice created the God of the Bible in their own image.

[@stevejackson8521]

How deceived you are may God have mercy on you in Jesus name.

[@AtamMardes]

@@stevejackson8521 You are funny. You believe in the fairy tales, superstitions, and imaginary invisible beings the religion scam has made up for the gullible fools, yet you think I am deceived. LOL

[@michaelceleskey4932]

Piper is a consistent source of solid scriptural teaching

[@feliciacastro5183]

Yes he is!!!

[@mv3380]

Most of the time.

[@williamnathanael412]

@@mv3380 I agree, we shouldn't say anyone is always perfect except Jesus.

[@lalorios9202]

What do you mean sometimes? Just asking

[@AtamMardes]

"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible." Mark Twain

[@christopherphillips8027]

Pastor John really didn't answer this gentleman's question. The believer asked why he is still struggling with past sins now that he is a Christian. Believer, if you read this and any believer, who wants an answer to this question, let me shed some light on the subject with the help of the Holy Spirit. We struggle with sin because it is our nature. The sin nature, this desire to do wrong is still there even though we are believers. Now, if you have accepted Jesus Christ, then you are saved and your sins have been forgiven, however, understand that we still have flesh. And the flesh, is at war with the spirit. That is why we are struggling with sin even though we are believers of Jesus Christ. For the believer who asked this question, my hope is that you are in a good Bible believing church, and you are around other believers who can encourage you in the faith. Also, is that you will learn to yield to the spirit of God and through his help, you will overcome the sin that you are struggling with. Satan will always try and tempt you. That is what he does. You can not overcome sin in your own strength. You need the help of the Holy Spirit. I pray that this helps you and other believers out there.

[@soweroftheword]

Amen to that!

[@TheCreationTutor]

I thought his answer was fine, he's a new believer vs someone whose life as a professed Christian still continues in such sins

[@TheCreationTutor]

@UNBEKANNT I feel that sentiment, fear of the Lord is wisdom, to turn from evil is understanding. Pray for wisdom, and understanding to conquer your sin and to kill it as He commands

[@q09876543]

Read my answer above. This will help you by giving you better understanding.

[@q09876543]

@UNBEKANNT I have came from that life and I know exactly what your talking about. For three years I struggled with the sexual sin. and every morning I got down on my knees and asked forgiveness. This is the answer I was given by God. When you sleep at night you have no control over your body. Matter of fact your body goes through the work of physical upkeep's. This is where wet dreams come in. Your body needs to keep the equipment working and so it provides the stimulation in order to do just that. Therefore it's not your desire that's causing this to happen. but your act of controlling that desire, is what creates the sexual tension and thereby the release. You body protect's you from physical harm as it's supposed to do and provides the necessary stimulus to cause that release to happen. Now your desire to control your sexual needs is proper, but it comes at a price. Jesus said, that because your heart is not in the act, you have not sinned. It's WHEN your heart is in the act that creates the sin. So if you see a beautiful woman and fantasize about her, then you do wrong. But because we are sexual creatures, desire for sex is natural. Scripture says we are to control those urges when they come upon us so that we do not sin. But Paul states that if we cannot control ourselves, then we should marry. The problem is, we cannot just grab someone and marry them. This would be a sin for you are not taking into concideratio, how the woman feels. No, if marriage is out. then you must learn to control your passions, for to do less is sin. but if desire is great and your body creates the release, no that your clear of sin for your heart was not in it. As I said, you cannot control your body for your body will seek release through wet dreams, but your not responsible for those.

[@Baezee2]

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. James 4:7 ESV

[@AprilPadua]

Hello brother, how are you? do you still commit sin?

[@The_Scouts_Code]

Salvation, sanctification, glorification.

[@ribhope5535]

Wow I didn't realize how much I needed this until I heard it

[@kennypowers17]

Rib Hope Your preaching to the choir my friend. Stay in Christ and stay strong. Count on His strength. WE can do this with Christ. 👍🏻

[@Risspamplemoose]

Thank you, Lord. Hallelujah! I struggle with sin, and I feel like a failure of a Christian. And I am comforted by your "already not yet". Thank you so much for this podcast. Thank you!

[@kathleenwharton2139]

+Risspamplemoose.. God Warned us of the Sins Beneath the sins. Those are ones causing the problem and the ones needing to be Faced and Healed. God Warns us of Pride..Lust..Greed..Anger..Worry. One or more of these Sins are the beneath the struggle.. Ask Jesus to Help You Examine your life.

[@mr.c2485]

Sin is a process. You can’t just sin spontaneously. Three things must happen in order for sin to become a reality. Temptation... conception...maturation. James 1:13-15 describes the process perfectly. By your words, I would say that you are only at step one. Remember...sin isn’t something you do.. it’s what you believe.

[@mr.c2485]

Billy Verve Exactly how many sins are there? Dozens...hundreds...thousands? Your perception of sin is errant.

[@yestothetruth]

@@mr.c2485 Sin is transgression of the law of God (1 John 3:4). It is something that is done. It's doing what is contrary to God's will. Sticking with James 1:13-15, how do you jump to saying sin is what you believe?

[@tamipowell2134]

kathleen Wharton very good!!! I took a screenshot of your message and I believe worries are top. TY

[@theg-men8961]

Wow! I’ve been asking this question for the past few months and then this video gets released on my birthday, feel like it’s just for me but we all need this! I had been sober for about 3yrs and then recently slipped up a few times as well. I knew everything was fine because I hate it and I’m not happy about it. I have a lot of victories fighting the temptations but I also have failures too. A few other sins from before my conversion have not come back which is amazing but this one thing drives me nuts but I will never give up fighting! It makes me think of Paul’s thorn in the flesh, maybe this is mine, or when he says he does not want to do what he hates but he still does it. Based on the comments it seems like we all go through this so I just want to encourage you guys to fight sin everyday, wake up ready for battle! I picture myself attacking sin like a scene from 300 or something hahaha! But that’s how it should be, fight sin without ceasing. Love you guys, keep focused and god bless you all my brothers and sisters

[@theg-men8961]

Carlie Trogicj thanks!! I’m 37 and very lucky that god let me see another year. That is very true! I put a lot of emphasis on my battles with sin as to why it’s ok but you’re right it is about the cross! My emphasis on the battle to me is just additional proof because it shows that I am truly born again because if I was not, I wouldn’t be worried about it at all. The answer is so simple in that it is because of Jesus and I don’t know why I forget that sometimes haha. I am very early on in my walk with god so hopefully I’ll just continue to grow and focus on that more and have less of these thoughts that distract and confuse me. Thanks for your comment! It helped

[@theg-men8961]

Carlie Trogicj hahaha!! No I get that for sure!! A couple of things about romans, I actually just read those over the weekend and this morning I read 7 and 8. Romans was so amazing to me the first time I read it and romans 12:2 was something I kept thinking about a lot early on because I was so conformed to ways of the world and needed to get out of it. It’s mind blowing to me how god changed me and changes all of us. I used to be a stupid gangster growing up, full of anger and ignorance and the change in my heart is where I’m just so blown away by god. I never cared about anything and now I find myself tearing up over anything and feel love towards everyone, it’s insane man haha! My wife jokes with me because she told me that she would pray for god to soften my heart but didn’t expect me to be a cry baby now hahahahaha!!! I’m constantly blown away by god but not surprised because that’s how good he is

[@theg-men8961]

Carlie Trogicj oh yeah, amen man! I definitely don’t think of those things as an assurance for salvation but just to praise god for all that he did. #1 on the cross but then all of the things he did for me and the transformation is amazing

[@football9947]

Happy birthday!

[@carlyerekson2035]

Same. Exactly the same. 2 years in and I’m still struggling. I think of that same verse. I believe it’s keeping me humble and running to God more. Resting in Him more on the days and I am sober, loving them so much that they’re happening more n more slowly.🙌🏼

[@jacobjasch4397]

God is so good. How awesome that He can use technology for the encouragement of thousands! And what an encouragement to know I'm not the only one who struggles with sin. Oh the joy - perfectly righteous in Christ.

[@julius_lewis]

Wow he said “We are becoming what we are.” 🤯😌

[@user-df3ye5nm9y]

I have drawn closer and closer to the Lord over the last few years....however, I struggle with the same sins as always. It is utterly pathetic. The only positive that comes from it is my repetitve recognition of my utter dependence on Jesus for forgiveness.

[@yestothetruth]

Make sure you approach God the way He expects you to with the right mindset. You must submit to God. That is essential: James 4:7-8 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. That's what your attitude needs to be when you are going through the process of *repentance* and committing to be obedient to God for the rest of your life (that's the kind of "change of mind" God wants to see). You must sincerely regret having sinned against God, and come to the point of hearing and agreeing 100% with Jesus' message saying, "I do not condemn you, now go and don't sin anymore" (John 8:11). Your obedience as you choose to follow God's ways is key--that's how you show your faith to God (John 3:36, Luke 6:46, Hebrews 3:17-18). That opens the door to receiving his *forgiveness* for your past sins (2 Peter 1:9), *healing* (Luke 5:31-32), *freedom from sin/addictions* (John 8:34-36), and the gift of *a new life* that you will live for God and no longer for sin and the passing things of the world (Romans 6:4, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15). That is the salvation you must make sure you have experienced: freedom from sin (John 8:36, Romans 8:1-2) versus bondage to sin (John 8:34, Romans 7:23). Approaching God in genuine repentance will lead to you receiving the Holy Spirit to lead you to "walk by the Spirit" (Acts 2:38, Galatians 5:16)--with a pure heart and self-control, which is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Any habit that controls you reveals idolatry in your heart. You have to choose to be done with that and it will be part of your past. That's one thing that will come out of your commitment to be obedient to God for the rest of your life. Please see 1 Peter 4:1-3 and 1 Thessalonians 1:9. James 1:21-22 21 Therefore, putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with humility the implanted word, which is able to save your souls [that's repentance]. 22 But be doers of the word [that's faith, which implies obedience], and not only hearers, deluding your own selves. Hebrews 5:9 And having been made perfect, He [Jesus] became the author of 👉 *eternal salvation to all those who obey Him [...].* Please stay in the word and obey it (James 1:21-22). The word of God is fuel for your faith. To live as a follower of Jesus you must go out of your way to put the word of God in your heart and keep it there, rejecting all distractions. It's a fight and that's how you need to stand to not fall down. The truth will set you free from all sin (John 8:31-32, 36).

[@brandonfield516]

Thank you Rico! Same struggle my brother.

[@MarkRidlen]

For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin. Romans 7:15‭-‬25 ESV bible.com/bible/59/rom.7.15-25.ESV

[@bstaylor85]

Until we are Glorified eternal bodies this is the Truth!!! We war against sin that dwells in our members. New creation Vs. old man Sin is a virus that we can't remove. Where sin abounds Grace all the more. Sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Amen.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

+Mark Ridlen.. God Warns us of the Sins beneath the sins. God Warns us of Pride..Lust..Greed..Anger and Worry. One or more of these is likely the cause of your struggle. Ask Jesus to Help you examine your life. Once you see the Real Problem..it is easier.

[@bstaylor85]

Sage of Synergism If we say we have no sin we lie. So yes you still sin. So do all the believers... Good luck being perfect.

[@twitterrandoms4057]

Mr Piper.... you have no idea how much you have helped me in my journey as a young Christian

[@twitterrandoms4057]

@Sage of Synergism Are you asking if I agree with calvinism?

[@twitterrandoms4057]

@Sage of Synergism If so then I wouldn't be the best person to answer that....yess the concept of the elect is found in the bible but I believe that is upto God We should remain focused on Jesus because to me.... There's is really no big issue

[@yestothetruth]

@@twitterrandoms4057 This is to study if you want: Romans 7:14-25 Bible Study yestothetruth.blogspot.com/2019/12/romans-714-25-bible-study.html Don't forget to pray always for God's guidance! Peace to you!

[@joshuasprinkle7730]

I needed this the exact day that I watched it. Thank God

[@kocoffgames4144]

This was excellent. Ty lord.

[@AdrianaStrothers]

This video was just what I needed. Very empowering, praise God.

[@kcstorytime4898]

beautiful explanation. Thank you.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

God Warns us of our Pride..Lust..Greed..Anger..and Worry. These Sins lie below our Struggles. When you Face these Sins and let Jesus Help You..You will See and Struggle no more.

[@mr.c2485]

kathleen Wharton Those are not the sins. They are merely manifestations of sin...trespasses. Fleshly fear is the singular most powerful sin. Yes it manifests itself as you describe but attempting to control those things is impossible. We need only transfer our fears to godly fear which is the beginning of wisdom. Your list will take its rightful place as we recognize and possess the fears that flesh demands of us. We don’t run or attempt to avoid...anything! We possess, control, and utilize ALL things for the glory of the father. Remember...ALL things work together for good....

[@kathleenwharton2139]

+Mr. C..you are Right about Fear! Fear Ruled my Life! And I am still a little shaky! But..I Am Stronger than I was. It is a new experience for me.. To actually be Able to Believe God Loves me..after the things I was Taught..All the manmade lies. I am still having a little trouble with my anger towards people who still do it. But I hope to get Better! Thank You for your insight!

[@kathleenwharton2139]

+Mr. C.. You are Right about Control too. I Can be Around many things and have complete control. I do avoid some things because they make me uncomfortable. I avoid Snobs..Sex stuff..and drunkenness. I am pretty happy on the Metro! Thank You Much..you really provoke my thinking and it has been very Helpful! God Bless You!

[@mr.c2485]

kathleen Wharton Manifest blessings to you!

[@JayDUB213512]

Amen Amen Glory to GOD

[@hugsandhomies]

This is very comforting. I'm at a time when I'm trying to rebuild after having royally screwed things up and hurt someone very dear to me in the process. Renewing my long dormant faith has been crucial to my recovery, but the guilt and regret still eat at me.

[@robraver]

you arent alone in that. I would be careful of trying to do the 'fixing' all by yourself. Have you got a Fellowship you can attend? becuase, hopefully, you will find others who have been through this and can help counsel you. I messed around for 20 odd years...wished I hadnt. You are going to stumble and fall, its the getting up and letting the Lord help thats crucial. He paid for it ALL. He said 'It is Finished' on the Cross. What helps me is to stay well away from anything that I know will cause problems. Not so easy if its friends and family...its more about situations that can cause you to fall. Its about finding alternatives, if that makes sense?

[@hugsandhomies]

​@@robraverThanks, I appreciate the concern. I've been getting a lot out of a Sunday school class, but sometimes I feel like the only person in there who's ever really messed up. Church services every week are absolutely non-negotiable for me. I think that along with consistently reading scripture every day has been the most important to helping me come back to life. I had gotten into a place where I was so isolated from everybody that just showing up and saying good morning to everybody I could felt like a huge step. But the work continues. I'm still trying to expand my circle to include people I might be able to share more with, which might take driving over to a big church in another town that has more small groups. The good news is I was able to stop a lot of my bad habits more or less cold turkey once I realized that any real progress was going to require pulling those things completely by the root. It might take some time though for the guilt and anxiety to subside.

[@localdwlr_cvtem1458]

Amen. I have thought about this for awhile.

[@vico100]

Great!

[@kelliknotts]

I can relate 💯.

[@elizaleski9618]

You forgot to mention the fact that “we will never be perfect in this life”. So hate to be a bummer and end my sentence like that… so I’ll say this thank GOD for saving us from our evil ways. Because I know for sure I need His forgiveness.

[@gregthomas82]

Amen

[@niematansolamenteazucaralg2259]

are the episodes on spotify

[@tommy11sixorozco9]

What about just dealing with images from your Past relationship? I don’t dwell on them or act on them, but out of nowhere I’ll get imagery of what my ex and I did.

[@MrMcGuck]

The renewing of the mind, the washing of the word, confession to brothers in Christ, prayer, fasting, making it a habit to cast down those disgusting memories the minute they pop up. It takes time and it’s a struggle and the struggle is real but you shall reap if you faint not! Keep fighting!

[@ThePaulKM]

While I appreciate Pastor John's answer to this question, I do wish he addressed it in more detail concerning the 'why' this happened to him, because I find myself in the same situation. It isn't simply the question as to why I keep falling to my pre-conversion sins, but why was it that when I was converted, I experienced such an overwhelming sense of joy and freedom in Christ for nearly a full year! But now, I find myself stumbling quite often with those same pre-conversion sins I struggled with before I knew Christ. Granted, the stumbles are far less frequent than they were while I was still in bondage, but I do feel rather helpless and almost abandoned by God. Because although I recognize that I have been sealed forever by the Holy Spirit regarding my salvation, I struggle to understand why the sanctifying work within me has seemed to stop. If anyone reads this and decides to try answering my question with further probing, let me save everyone the time and say; yes. I pray often. I read the Scriptures everyday. I am constantly in the Word and with God. I listen to good and faithful preachers who exposit the Word at least three times a week. I read other theological books as well in order to better grasp what is taught in the Scriptures. And I don't do all of this in order to be a 'super-Christian' as some may say, but because I have no other desire apart from the Lord. Sure, I have other hobbies that I do, but my one true desire is to server the Lord in all that I do. And if I am still maintaining this mindset, then why do I still stumble with pre-conversion sins? And why does the Lord feel so distant today than the day I was born again?

[@yestothetruth]

I am sure you have done your own share of thinking about the issues you are facing, but no one can do probing better than you, so my response is to invite you to further probing. My perspective is that there is a lot of use of words or expressions among Christians that may not line up with what is meant in the Bible. For instance, freedom in Christ. That means you were a slave to your sins and you got saved from that to be freed from sin (Romans 6:14-18). Being under grace would mean that sin have no more power over you to keep you bound as a slave to it (Romans 6:14). So, Jesus having come into the world to set the captives free (Luke 4:18) would have been a relatable reality. This is all probing the "square one" of your walk with God. Now, if you see no red flags, and you have found yourself in bondage to sin again, then it must be that you have left "the way of righteousness"-the path that you got saved to begin walking on faithfully to the end (please read 2 Peter 2:20-22), having your eyes on eternal life. Colossians 1:21-23 21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, 22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, *in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, 23 👉 IF indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven* [...]. There is no sanctification to speak of without a basis of continuous obedience to God: doing God's will steadfastly or doing/working righteousness: 1 John 3:6-7 6 Whoever abides in Him [Jesus] does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who does righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. If there is no faith to believe that there is such a thing as abiding in Jesus and not sinning (there is massive denial of that), then there will be problems because of the mere rejection of that truth as something Jesus came into the world to make possible for sinners who turn to Him. Hebrews 5:9 And having been made perfect, He [Jesus] became the author of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him Acts 10:34-35 34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. 35 But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him." Remark that you are not calling your present situation being in bondage, yet sin has power over you which is a contradiction to being under grace (Romans 6:14). But whatever the case is, you must agree with God about it or He cannot intervene in a situation that you are not acknowledging for what it is. My response may not have a follow up. I just want to leave it with you to take what you may from it. I have a sense that you have an assurance about certain things you are doing right, but they don't seem to be helping. Anyway, I have not answered you as a theologian. And I encourage you to examine the "square one" of your walk with God. Was getting born again synonymous to knowing your heart was purified and suddenly you knew you were no longer trapped in any sinful behavior or routine? Can you relate to having _"died to sins"?_ 1 Peter 2:21-24 21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for you, *leaving you an example, that you should follow his steps,* 2 who “committed no sin, nor was deceit found in his mouth.” 23 Who, when he was cursed, did not curse back. When he suffered, did not threaten, but committed himself to him who judges righteously; 24 who his own self bore our sins in his body on the tree, *that we, having died to sins, might live to righteousness;* by whose wounds you were healed. The probing is necessary. You can also ask, what was being "converted" about for you? Does that line up with what the Bible teaches or is it just that certain theologians you have listened to agree on a sense of it? What transformation did happen? Who were you and who did you become? So, if you have become who you were, what was the path you would have to follow for that to happen? I pray you get answers and the clarity you seek, and most of all the new life Jesus died to give you. See also: Two Paths express.adobe.com/post/hWx4FXYgrtr2B Obedience to Righteousness to Holiness express.adobe.com/post/NxzVEtfgzAp63

[@TitusJudah]

You have LITERALLY described my life and my struggles. I feel so demotivated and helpless.

[@Nate-pz1rf]

Im glad Piper is realistic, Theres another famous Calvinist youtube preacher whos default answer for struggling Christians is theyre false converts. As if after true conversion you become a sinless robot and have no weaknesses 🙄

[@yahweh247]

Paul Washer haha

[@cendallitak8140]

Paul washer is aweosme what u talking about

[@sammcneil1213]

We are not jellyfish, stand up, clench your fists, make war on Sin.

[@bstaylor85]

Until we are Glorified eternal bodies we will sin. This is the Truth!!! We war against sin that dwells in our members. New creation Vs. old man. Sin is a virus that we can't remove. Where sin abounds Grace all the more. Sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Amen. We confess our sins and the Lord is faithful to forgive restoring our fellowship. Walk in the light as He is in the light. Amen.

[@mr.c2485]

JesusChristLordofAll HolyBible100%Truth How can you ever be confident about your salvation if you expect to fail constantly? More people have given up on spiritual realities for that reason than any other. There is a perfection that illuminates doubt. Believing that we sin every day in word, thought, and deed is the devils playground. Your perception of sin is errant.

[@bstaylor85]

Mr. C Nope. If we say we have no sin we lie. You still sin. You sin by saying you don't sin. We try not to sin. Still sin.

[@mr.c2485]

JesusChristLordofAll HolyBible100%Truth Negative! Perfection is a reality. Your perception of sin is errant. Sin isn’t something you do...it’s what you believe. James 1:13-15 Describes the process of sin perfectly. Three things must happen....an evil desire...conception....maturation. Why would anyone allow a desire to conceive and mature. For every temptation Gods makes a way of escape. We have the power to control sin at the temptation level.

[@bstaylor85]

Mr. C Good luck buddy let me know when you are perfect as He is Holy. Are you Jesus Christ? No. You sin and lie that you are Holy as He is Holy. You sin by saying that you don't... Unbelievable!!!

[@mr.c2485]

JesusChristLordofAll HolyBible100%Truth Exactly how many sins are there? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? You’re making this too difficult on yourself. Sin isn’t something you do... it’s what you believe.

[@babynightcore3385]

Help I’m struggle with sin after I repent I go back to my sin for no reason but I’m not gonna give up this time I will try harder to not disappoint God again I’m useless I’m Christian I love God but my sin always pull me back I’m struggling after I’m safe by God how do i stop I’m really tired of sin

[@deborahanth3672]

everytime you get a thought of temptation pray immediately. when you're thoughts grow you cant cut them at the middle so you have to cut them at the root. hope that helped!

[@yestothetruth]

Best Nightcore, please listen to this message for a strategy you can follow to overcome sin/be set free from addictions: _Self-denial and Taking up One's Cross to Follow Jesus (Mark __8:34__)_ kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWnFoXmqeZhkfLc Peace to you!

[@jailahbryel305]

Jesus loves you and died so you can have eternal life. Repent and turn to Him because He is coming soon! He loves you!

[@VB-hf1js]

Another scripture came to mind as I was listening to this, Matthew 12:43-45. I may have this scripture out of context as I am not very well versed yet but, when we truly accept Jesus I feel we are delivered of many afflictions....I know I was. But the devil now hates us even more. He will try everything to torment us, especially with past sins and especially when he sees a true and beautiful relationship forming with our Lord and Saviour. This is where (as difficult as it is sometimes) to be Christians showing authority to fight against demons who are working hard to get us away from Him. Literally say out loud that we belong to Jesus, we are covered by his blood, now get the (insert word of choice here) out of here!!! Just like Jesus said when he was being tempted by satan....GO AWAY!!!

[@protectyoself3836]

I have the same problem, not really understanding what the solution was that was given here?

[@yestothetruth]

Please see _Self-denial and taking up one's cross to follow Jesus (Mark __8:34__)_ / Crucify The Flesh (playlist) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWnFoXmqeZhkfLc Peace to you!

[@festivalouscalpito7165]

Im helpless. Please pray for me.

[@joncooper7475]

I am praying for you right now. You are not helpless or hopeless in the Holy Spirit of Is in you.

[@festivalouscalpito7165]

@@joncooper7475 thank you. God will reveal your goodness you've done to me when we are in heaven. God bless you brother.

[@yestothetruth]

Festivalous Calpito Please lookup on KZbin two to the point messages by Zac Poonen: _Salvation From Sin_ and _True Repentance._ See also my video _Be Set Free From Sin_ for help to overcome (Revelation 2:7). Peace to you!

[@uncletacosupreme7023]

Short answer. Because you are human. That is why we rely on Christ for our salvation and not our works. We will be clothed in his righeousness not our own. Does NOT mean you are not saved or you lost your salvation.

[@User_Happy35]

But if you continue to sin deliberately, where is the evidence of your conversion? Aren't we new creations and the "old things" you did pre- conversion be cast away? How are you denying the "self" to follow God ( ie picking up your cross) when you aren't actually denying yourself?

[@uncletacosupreme7023]

@@User_Happy35 I did not say we were not striving to deny ourselves. People don't realize that repentance is every day. If you are saying you are perfect now then you are a heretic. We will not be sanctified until we are with the messiah and he whipes away all of our sin. Romans 8:17-30 KJVS And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. [18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. [19] For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. [20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. [23] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. [24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? [25] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. [26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. [27] And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. [28] And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. [29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. [30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

[@biblicalthinker2.083]

Not a Calvisnist buut... This is still helpful.

[@biblicalthinker2.083]

@Carlie Trogicj who said I was an arminian? Also if that is wrong in your view, what do you suggest is biblical, I have my own view but would like a different perspective

[@kingofwii]

@Carlie Trogicj like your answers a ton, amen! Sounds like arminian to me though? Could you say what you disagree with about arminianism?

[@biblicalthinker2.083]

@Carlie Trogicj that still sounds like arminianism which with your perspective, I now agree with.

[@kingofwii]

@Carlie Trogicj thanks for the answer, I appreciate it! But just cause someone believes you can lose your salvation doesn't mean he thinks he earned it by himself. If you get a present from somebody, let's say homemade clothes. It's your choice to receive it or reject it, and it's your choice to put on your clothes you got (not by your own works, by another one's handcraft) and it's your choice to keep it on or remove it, and throw the gift away. The clothes you received were completely finished and perfect for use before you put it on, but you can still throw them away, that doesn't take away the handcraft of the person who made it for you. If you throw them away, you're not saying "I believe I made those clothes", you're saying "I know he made them, but I don't want the clothes HE fully made anymore". "And if ANY man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall TAKE AWAY his part out of the BOOK OF LIFE, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:19

[@kingofwii]

@Carlie Trogicj what's your thoughts?

[@bnawpengyang8571]

Rico! You need to do 3 things; 1. Have faith in God, no doubt. 2. Do not go back to your old sin/ old life. 3.Pray to God the Father and command or cast the sin consciousness or the spirit of unforgiveness and bitterness out, in the name of Jesus. And ask God to purify your mind your heart and lead you according to His will... May the LordJesus' peace come into you this day. Amen.

[@chrisslayer9014]

:/ does that mean there is a contradiction? People get John mixed up with the other gospels I realized. Some say that this is proof that gnostic book of Thomas is true because the kingdom is outside of you and in you in Thomas. Or, would it rather mean it’s a metaphor/ parable.

[@half_r_mk5]

Sanctification is progressive, and is part of our Christian walk in this world. We must slay our sin everyday, and if we do sin, we have an Advocate who is Jesus Christ (1 John 2:1), and we must confess those sins to Him (1 John 1:9), because He is faithful and Just to forgive. However the warning here is that we must not be at PEACE with SIN. Confession of sin can either be sincere or fatalistic, and being fatalistic about sin is dangerous and can endanger our walk with the Lord.

[@lukewagner8871]

Romans 6:6-7 Concordant Literal New Testament 6 knowing this, that our old humanity was crucified together with Him, that the body of Sin may be nullified, for us by no means to be still slaving for Sin, 7 for one who dies has been justified from Sin 2 Corinthians 4:10 KJVS [10] Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. So how does the sin nature in a believer die? 1 Peter 4:1-2,12-13 KJVS [1] Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; [2] That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. [12] Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: [13] But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

[@T.Ravikumar]

"Romans 7" 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God - through Jesus Christ our Lord!

[@T.Ravikumar]

@Sage of Synergism The English used is one of present tense. He doesn't say, I was doing the evil I didn't want to do, but he says I am practicing the same evil I don't want to do. Why would an unsaved man have a fight in his inner man? Paul was a born-again believer when he wrote this. Infact that was the reason he wrote this. Towards the end of his life he even realises that "He is the Chief of sinners". 👇 "1 Timothy 1" 15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life. Notice that he says "I am" not "I was". It's a continuing tense. Infact he tells Timothy, in verse 16, that his own Christian life is an example of the "longsuffering" character of Christ and his believers. Longsuffering is a character that is shown (by our Savior) towards repeated offences by His children.

[@T.Ravikumar]

@Sage of Synergism The Amplified Version would make it more clear that Paul was a born-again believer in Romans 7. 👇 22 For I joyfully delight in the law of God in my inner self [with my new nature], 23 but I see a different law and rule of action in the members of my body [in its appetites and desires], waging war against the law of my mind and subduing me and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is within my members. 25 Thanks be to God [for my deliverance] through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind serve the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh [my human nature, my worldliness, my sinful capacity-I serve] the law of sin. ✍️ Every true child of God, struggles with sin (just like Paul). It's the pain of this struggle that's the evidence of the Love of God in a born-again believer.

[@T.Ravikumar]

@Sage of Synergism This gives a clear explanation of what is flesh. The unredeemed, Holy Spirit less person. 👇 "Romans 8" 1 Therefore there is now no condemnation [no guilty verdict, no punishment] for those who are in Christ Jesus [who believe in Him as personal Lord and Savior]. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has set you free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the Law could not do [that is, overcome sin and remove its penalty, its power] being weakened by the flesh [man’s nature without the Holy Spirit], God did: He sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful man as an offering for sin. And He condemned sin in the flesh [subdued it and overcame it in the person of His own Son], 4 so that the [righteous and just] requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not live our lives in the ways of the flesh [guided by worldliness and our sinful nature], but [live our lives] in the ways of the Spirit [guided by His power]. 5 For those who are living according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh [which gratify the body], but those who are living according to the Spirit, [set their minds on] the things of the Spirit [His will and purpose]. 6 Now the mind of the flesh is death [both now and forever-because it pursues sin]; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace [the spiritual well-being that comes from walking with God-both now and forever]; 7 the mind of the flesh [with its sinful pursuits] is actively hostile to God. It does not submit itself to God’s law, since it cannot, 8 and those who are in the flesh [living a life that caters to sinful appetites and impulses] cannot please God. 9 However, you are not [living] in the flesh [controlled by the sinful nature] but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God lives in you [directing and guiding you]. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him [and is not a child of God]. 10 If Christ lives in you, though your [natural] body is dead because of sin, your spirit is alive because of righteousness [which He provides].

[@T.Ravikumar]

@Sage of Synergism When your sin satisfies you (or too seem comfortable with the sin in you), you are acting in your flesh. If your sins hurt you, trouble you & push you to go back to your Savior's hope with pain & anguish, thats the Spirit led believer. 👇 "Romans 8" 12 So then, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation, but not to our flesh [our human nature, our worldliness, our sinful capacity], to live according to the [impulses of the] flesh [our nature without the Holy Spirit]- 13 for if you are living according to the [impulses of the] flesh, you are going to die. But if [you are living] by the [power of the Holy] Spirit you are habitually putting to death the sinful deeds of the body, you will [really] live forever. 14 For all who are allowing themselves to be led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading again to fear [of God’s judgment], but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons [the Spirit producing sonship] by which we [joyfully] cry, “Abba! Father!”

[@T.Ravikumar]

@Sage of Synergism I'd presume you are born-again. Have you thought of shouting at someone who's upset you? Have you said something that's a lie? Have you had a thought that is against God's teaching/commandment? Please remember that the thought of doing something is as good as doing it, in God's eye.

[@katelyn9800]

i hate how i struggle with my evil sin

[@yestothetruth]

Please see the videos in my playlist called _"Be Set Free From Sin"_ for help. It is God's grace that will help you overcome sin and live a new life that is pleasing to Him (Titus 2:11-14). But it starts with repentance first, in the way that the Bible teaches it. Peace to you!

[@benitojohngenitojr.5608]

Your Spirits likes to Think the Foolishness of Sins.it will make your mind and heart to become Merciless Hell to Sinners, while you are a Sinner yourself.

[@tanakachiganga3326]

Colossians 1:13

[@yestothetruth]

Colossians 1:13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love Returning under the power of darkness one was delivered from is a possibility, so as believers we are warned against that too.

[@Myjesus-1]

Christians with cravings of the flesh who continue sinning do not have the Holy Spirit living in them and they have not been converted. When one is truly born again the flesh nature is removed. Colossians 2; 11 "and in Him (Jesus) you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ,"

[@jimkraft9445]

Romans 6:23 What we are is sinners saved by grace. Romans 11:6 First John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. First John 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we call God a liar. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that BELIEVETH on me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. The GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Since it is a GIFT, the payments have already been made. Our sin debt is paid in full, and we can never be condemned again. John 3:18 I have eternal life because Jesus said so and He can not lie. John 3:16 John 6:37-40 Hebrews 13:5 He will never leave us or forsake us. He will never cast us out. We have the promise of everlasting life because we have believed on His name. John 1:12. Romans 1:16. First John 5:13. Since Jesus paid my sin debt in full, and imputed His perfect righteousness to me, Romans 4:6-8 I can not go to hell no matter what I do. I already have everlasting life. Paid in full.

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

You still struggle with sin because we are still in bodies of flesh with human nature. It is IN CHRIST that we are a new creation. He is the first born from among the dead and it is on resurrection ground that we are accepted before God as to our standing. Take the time to read Romans chapters 1 to 8. Remember chapter 5 comes before chapters 6 to 8 in order in your Bible, also in order as to your spiritual experience in understanding that there is a difference between your sins which you commit and sin which is in your nature. Chapter 5 v 11 is the step from one to the other.

[@kingofwii]

@Sage of Synergism Amen! Could you explain more about the flesh? What's your views? I think we have kind of the same view but I'm pretty new to the idea of Christians not having a sin nature anymore (our flesh has been crucified etc.)

[@smeatonlighthouse4384]

@Sage of Synergism Where do you get the idea of 'free will' from? Try reading Romans ch. 5 which is in two portions, the first dealing with our sins up to verse 11, and then it deals with sin which is in our nature. It is dangerous to give advice to someone looking for truth and help, when you haven't got a clue yourself. You are mixing up Kingdom teaching with the gospel of Grace, and they are poles apart. YOU must be born again.

[@user-tv6sv5lv6t]

This time the answer pastor John is giving is wrong! The right answer: Jesus completed everything in the spiritual realm and now it is our work, along with the H,S. to fulfill this reality He has accomplished also in the flesh and in this world. Sadly it seems that pastor John don't have someone near him to give him building criticism when it needed.

[@gknight4719]

Just imagine this , giving anything free will comes with disappointment ! Humans were never made perfect ( in the bible its states JUST VERY GOOD ) And of cause they failed and then this loving god just turned up his contempt for us , making life here horrible you know tsunamis, cancer, plagues mosquitoes spreading malaria and so on. What loving father would do that to his children ?

[@timothyasberry3470]

Cuz you're in the flesh and it weak

[@q09876543]

What this pastor is saying will not help you. Here's the truth of it. For a while your eyes were diverted from the drugs you were taking in your old life by your new life in Christ. But lately your faith in Christ was not enough. Do you remember when Jesus was saying that in order to follow me, you must hate your father and mother? He wasn't saying to hate your father and mother for that would go against honoring your father and mother. No, what he was saying is that in order to follow me. you must hate that which you love. Your problem is, that even though you hate the drug scene, you haven't replaced it with something that you can love. So you have an empty house inside of you. Remember, Jesus said when an evil creature has left the place where he dwelt, that creature will roam the world till he finds a new home which has been swept clean, he then will move in and invite more of his kind and make that persons life worse than it was before. This what's happening with you. Your desire for Christ is only the start of your faith. Now you must find something that can help you grow in your faith. The gift of the Spirit is goodness, kindness. truth, justice, mercy, compassion, honesty, grace, virtue, long suffering, joy, peace, and all others like these. Do you know why Jesus forgave Paul for the things he had done? It was because of all the Apostles, Paul was unique. You too are unique for in you is knowledge and you can use that knowledge to help others who are going through the same thing you are. Jesus said that a true Christian should help those in need. These people with drug problems have a need and you can help them. Not only that, but through them, you will find that which you seek, something that gives your life meaning. This will take away this back and forth problem for in a way, you will become these peoples big brother.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

+Kenny Taylor..You sound like you have been to a good AA meeting! And it is Good! There is something else. God Warned us of the Sins beneath the sin. These are Pride..Lust..Greed..Anger..and Worry. One or more of these is usually beneath the surface. Jesus Helps us Examine our lives to see the root cause. I see people have trouble with Boredom..as well.

[@q09876543]

@@kathleenwharton2139 Actually, I have never had a drinking problem, but my friend who did 30 years ago, runs an AA meeting. There, he has 30 or more members showing up. As for your list. yes! those things happen, and when they do, you need to repent from them. But Kathleen, do you know WHY they're such a problem?

[@mr.c2485]

Kenny Taylor There is only one sin...fleshly fear! The laundry list of things she mentioned are merely manifestations of manmade fears. The fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom. Until fleshly fear is replaced with godly fear there can be no confidence with god. The enemies only weapon is condemnation through fear. We must master and possess the knowledge of fear both in self and in others. Jesus spent 33 years teaching that. There is no love or forgiveness where fleshly fear exists.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

+Kenny Taylor.. I have never had a drinking problem either. When I was young and tried to smoke and drink with my friends..I had a voice in my Mind..that said.."don't Do that!". So I didn't! God Had to Give us a natural selfishness..so we Woud not die as babies. We have to have a certain degree of Survival skills in order to survive and thrive. But then God needs to Help us Temper those Selfish survival skills as we learn to be a cooperative community. When you are a mother..you see how it works. We are just naturally pleasure seeking creatures too. It is just the nature of the beast! As they say.

[@kathleenwharton2139]

+Mr. C.. You are Right about Fear! Fear Ruled my Life! I was terrified of God and People! It took me a Long Time for me to Finally Believe God Loved me..but things Got Better from There! I understand Better Now and it Feels I have been Saved! I let the Proud go their way and no longer fear all the man-made Stuff they put upon me.

[@joshuamakinson5949]

John Piper is not qualified to answer this question. Next time you are tempted with evil "remember you're dead" "Dont let sin reign" Oh gosh, this man must not battle true evil, because you can talk about being dead to sin all day, and watch how it still pursues you. The truth answer is, no man is free of sin, unless God gives deliverance... Why do we fall down into sin? Well, God allows it; for many reasons, primarily to teach us, humble us, and remind us of what we really are, outside of Christ. We are vile and dominated by sin, only by Gods grace do we have a chance to say no to sin, outside of that grace we are HELPLESS.

[@Ian_622]

You know nothing about drugs john piper

[@deemisquadis9437]

Because you didn't fully repent. ❤

[@JohnQPublic11]

Because the Calvinist God failed to regenerate your mind properly.

[@HearGodsWord]

The person asking the question is going through the process of sanctification so it's no surprise that they are not yet fully regenerate is it.

[@JohnQPublic11]

@@HearGodsWord --- Please explain to the class *HOW* the Calvinist God chose the non-elect goat people he sovereignly decreed to predestine to barbecue in Hell for his own good selfish glory and his own good sadistic pleasure?

[@HearGodsWord]

I've answered by explaining God. How was my answer different to what you've been told about Him and sanctification?

[@JohnQPublic11]

@@HearGodsWord --- Your reading comprehension skills are awful. Traditional Christianity believes sanctification is a process. But a process is not what Calvinists actually believe. Calvinists believe the regeneration of the mind is prior to belief and irreversible. Being irreversible no process is warranted or necessary. Except in the case of Calvinism needing to come up with another explanation to explain their explanations. Ergo, my next question which you failed to address.

[@HearGodsWord]

I think your anti-Calvinist anger is blinding you because I clearly referenced the fact that sanctification is an ongoing process for the person who asked the question! That suggests it's you own 'reading comprehension' which is awful ☺

[@AtamMardes]

"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible." Mark Twain

[@HearGodsWord]

When did he say this?

[@AtamMardes]

@@HearGodsWord Right after he read the Bible. He also said: "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." "It (Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies."

[@AtamMardes]

@@HearGodsWord After reading the Bible, Issac Asimov said: "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." Isaac Asimov

[@AtamMardes]

@@HearGodsWord After reading the Bible, Albert Einstein said: "The Bible, a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." Albert Einstein

[@AtamMardes]

@@HearGodsWord After reading the Bible, Thomas Paine said: “It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes.” Thomas Paine.

[@yashubryjy]

Amen