Why do Latter-day Saints save sex for marriage? | Ep. 215

[@allergyboy8954]

I am not Mormon but one thing i love about Mormonism is The Law of Chastity ✓

[@bobbykatru4273]

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[@tpbarron]

The Law of Chastity is awesome. It's been a huge blessing in my life.

[@bluedreams517]

Hi! I'm an LDS therapy who's specialty is sex therapy. I generally agree with much of what was mentioned in the video. There's a couple points I'd be cautious in how it's worded. One big one is the part where you mentioned the primary purpose of sex is to have children. You quote a manual from about little over 20 years ago quoting an ensign article from 1975. What I've noticed from more recent church quotes is what you mentioned near the end. where both enjoyment/bonding with a spouse and children are mentioned without labeling one as a primary purpose. This may seem slight, but it honestly made me wince. Member of our faith can often be extremely uncomfortable with sexual pleasure...and it can get so bad that the only time they'll have sex is for procreative purposes. I've heard of some who felt like that was the only really good reason to have sex. How we teach and talk about sex has drastically shifted since the 1970's and shifted still from the 00's. I think the general principle of the LoC is a good one with many benefits. But there are still ways that we think, talk, and practice it that come with concerns and need refinement.

[@eveadame1059]

💍💍MARK 10:8-9 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder

[@suem6004]

"That which is bound on earth shall be bound in heaven. And which you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

[@RyanMercer]

🤘

[@StewartFletcher]

Whatthe. That's a picture of my brother in the baptismal font!!?

[@zionmama150]

That’s my brother too! (Spiritually) 😏

[@tezzerii]

Here's an angle - latter-day saints marry for eternity. Faithfulness in marriage is important. Eternity goes both ways - so being faithful to your spouse in eternity means faithful to them before as well as after marriage. Just a thought. =o)

[@imkakashisbabe15]

New member here. Which leader said we shouldn't talk about sex as a subject of entertainment and jokes?

[@davidsnell2605]

That was a quote taken from the updated "For the Strength of Youth" booklet, which is presumably approved of and supported by the First Presidency.

[@ReachingForTheBrightestStar]

Excellent post. The law of chastity was a hinge point for my mom‘s conversion story from Hollywood actress to joining the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. SAINTS UNSCRIPTED: Would love to be interviewed on your channel! Let me know. My new book, REACHING FOR THE BRIGHTEST STAR, is now available, based on the inspiring true story of my mom, former Hollywood actress Dana Kimmell (Friday the 13th part 3), who joined the church and left Hollywood behind.

[@carlosenriqueulloa]

Must be a great story. I'm looking forward to reading it!

[@ReachingForTheBrightestStar]

@@carlosenriqueulloa Thank you! It's a very good story! Excited for you to read it.

[@mr.fullest8393]

That's great to hear. So are you Cody or Kyle?

[@ReachingForTheBrightestStar]

I am Kyle, Dana's second son. Unfortunately, my older brother Cody died by suicide in 2021, which is part of the story I tell in my book. Obviously a tragedy, but the book overall is positive, good, and happy@@mr.fullest8393

[@ReachingForTheBrightestStar]

I am Kyle. Unfortunately my older brother Cody died by suicide in 2021, which is a discussion point in my book, but the overall story/message is one of hope and happiness@@mr.fullest8393

[@BrianTerrill]

It was embarrassing enough one time after church seeing my wife sitting down at a couch in the foyer talking to someone, she just met who happened to be an ex-girlfriend of mine, I'm glad we didn't do anything unchaste that would have made that moment even more awkward than it already was.

[@jamesbaldwin7676]

I believe wholeheartedly in the law of chastity. I also beieve that breaking the law of chastity is second only to the shedding of innocent blood, only because it is listed next to it in the Ten Commandments. I also believe exactly what it says in Alma 22 whereas Alma's son was chastized for forsaking the church, for pride and visiting a harlot (a paid professional prostitute.) This is quite a different sin than two young people in love (in my opinion.) I believe a lot of overzealous bishops and parents have caused quite a lot of emotional pain and suffering among "not so perfect young adults" as a result of an overzealous interpretation of a very difficult doctrine. Life is about making mistakes and learning from them and no one is perfect.

[@Godwin_the_Scribe]

I agree. Though my interpretation of Alma 39:5 is a little different. I think that the terrible sin he is referring to is neglecting the ministry werewith he was instructed. The reason he neglected it was the lust of his eyes, but I think the greater crime is that the Lord entrusted him with a sacred calling and he ignored it for selfish reasons. I don't necessarily know why it's always interpreted as being just the sexual sin.

[@jamesbaldwin7676]

​@calebwilliams5516 Yes to your correction of 39:5 and yes to your explanation.

[@tonyfarhner9714]

We follow the Biblical Law of Chastity. We refrain from sexual intercourse, before marriage, because sex between a man and woman is a divine act that can lead to the creation of a precious human life. After marriage we remain chaste by only engaging in intercourse with our spouse.

[@tessannmacallister5747]

Sexual feelings are not sinful they are meant for marriage sex within marriage is for pleasure and to express love between husband and wife who are legally married and married according to Gods laws either by a pastor in a church and also by a judge in a courtroom or by being married in the temple I agree that we should be faithful to our spouse but I do not think the only purpose of sex is to get pregnant and make thousands of babies

[@jackzones678]

Maybe reverse the order here. The purpose/function of sex on both a secular and spiritual level is to make babies. Humans have sex to make other humans and to propagate humankind. God's children need bodies to fulfill the Plan of Salvation; therefore, sex is critical to the Plan of Salvation. However (and to your point), a husband and wife are obviously encouraged to be intimate because it is unifying and pleasurable.

[@mumroberts8359]

He didn’t say that sex was only for making babies, that is one of the reasons the other reason is for expression of love to one another. It’s both.

[@suem6004]

The video says it's not the only reason. You have selective hearing.

[@AgrippaTheMighty]

The law of chastity as we know it today is a Church of Rome invention. The LDS Church simply decided to adopt that model. In biblical times, it was very different. If you disagree, just find one verse in the bible that condemns a married man to have intercourse with a single woman, that is, aside from an economical condemnation (damaged goods). Just my two cents.

[@tessannmacallister5747]

@@AgrippaTheMighty okay I see what your saying but your comment is meant for public usage and viewing not a reply to my comment I assume ? I believe sex should only be between a man and woman who are legally married but that’s just my two cents

[@maphezdlin]

My problem isn't with the Law of Chastity, my problem is how it was (hopefully not anymore) enforced and taught. Used gum anyone? When you scare people so bad about breaking the law of chastity to the point where they kill themselves or have PTSD, or they feel guilty about sex inside of marriage, you have caused more consequences than even the blatant breaking of the commandment could or would have done.

[@KyleTheDalek]

Asked this a few times but Big request could you do a response or debunking of the videos were a guy talks about his vision into hell. When he was a kid. Saw things and didn’t find out until later on that he saw Joseph Smith and his followers. And worshiping a demon or such. Or has anyone made a response to that? Also the second video in that series shows Masonic connection, words, demons and such. The Masons during their ceremony show some of their chest, and leg. And the LDS logo with Jesus has a similar position of his robes on the logo. And where can I go to get questions answered?

[@suem6004]

All demonic evangelical BS. Evangelicals even say Mother Teresa is in hell along with every Catholic. The same people who burned witches at the stake say everyone is in hell except them of course.

[@AdamPrdS]

Send a video of this person, it's probably someone trying to get attention.

[@antyrak7905]

The masons topic is very interesting. You have to remember that all the knowledge of the supernatural comes from our heavenly father, there are even Christian Rituals to enslave demons and make them do your bidding. Also all the supernatural powers are priesthood because priesthood is the power heavenly father does things. Also such visions Joseph Smith worshipping demons in hell, you gotta ask yourself what Joseph Smith preached, did he demand blood sacrifices at 3am? Did he start an insurrection? (I kinda wish he did) and what does the Church says you do now. All the Church does is speak of Christ and asks you to heed the spirit. Again, back to masons, they kept all the secret knowledge, the so called occult safe and gatekept it. Joseph Smith was tasked with retriving it and now what the Church does is shares it widely with no restrictions. Everything is available to you from the go. You just have to ask, your bishop or missionaries. As for the symbolism, I'm pretty sure, bare chest and a leg foward is an inviting pose basically "I mean you no harm, come follow me", now would you rather heed it from Christ or some demon?

[@vendingdudes]

I've watched it. It's psychotic and not really believable. No debunking really needed

[@Hamann9631]

@kylethedalek I started a video like that. The person who supposedly saw certain people in hell died or almost died from a recreational drug overdose. That is not how God reveals things to us.

[@LibertarianUSA1982]

This is the law I break the most

[@Hamann9631]

In addition to obeying God's commandments, we have other reasons it makes sense to wait until marriage for sex and be faithful in marriage. There is to avoid sexual diseases. There is for future marital pleasure. A person who waits until marriage will not be tempted to compare their spouse with previous sex partners. There is so their married sex is special to them. There is because girl friends and boy friends who want sex do not love their partners.

[@geraldflake3174]

Fick

[@lisaroper421]

Nice summation!

[@vendingdudes]

Other Christians: Jesus is God in the flesh. He is God. Also other Christians: Jesus died and was resurrected. His body and spirit are eternally united. Also other Christians: Muh, God can't have a body! The creeds! Heresy! I've always been puzzled by this.

[@sagegallagher]

​@@allieooop3923 Except that Christ says He only does what He's seen His Father do.

[@suem6004]

@@allieooop3923God the Father not having a body contradicts Genesis "we created man in our image". Contradicts every vision of God the Father seated on his throne. Father is not a nebula. Saying material body is somehow not godly is Gnosticism.

[@suem6004]

@@allieooop3923 Sorry I know it can challenge to follow intricate logic and reasoning. Do you accept that most Christian theologies say that God the Father has NO body? Follow me? LDS say: Yes, for my above reasons. Understand? Not hard if you think really hard and make connections.

[@suem6004]

@@allieooop3923 Nope. You are just too stupid for discussion.

[@suem6004]

@@allieooop3923 You have no points at all except slander and lies. Those are demonic behaviors.

[@Fernando_Lerma]

Heavenly mother?

[@sunlight-sky151]

Similar to Heavenly Father but Female.

[@landenmcniven7963]

Shane what saints unscripted did to kwaku

[@SaintsUnscripted]

We love Kwaku! He quit the show a few years ago and started a different show. We'll always love him.

[@cattleyaentrolezo2276]

@@SaintsUnscripted but why take him off the thumbnail of videos he was in? seems unnecessary even if someone had an idea to do a facelift for this channel.. why go through that effort? It just seems to send out a confusing message. Doesn't seem like he asked to be removed from the thumbnails too. I don't always agree with him but I give credit to the fact he contributed to the growth of this channel at its early stage. For now.. unsubscribing.. until I see better representation from this channel.

[@Canadian_Unicorn]

Isn’t another purpose of sex in marriage to consummate the marriage?

[@GrantZabriskie]

I’d personally put that under “expressing love”.

[@ballardfx1140]

Polygyny or what you call plural marriage written in the handbook is not against the commandments. I suggest you keep the commandments that you were baptized with see Deuteronomy chapter 4.

[@tessannmacallister5747]

God the father does have a body but it’s not the same as our sinful fallen full of germs and disease physical earthly bodies his body is immortal and eternal and is made of light and is a Heavenly body Jesus’s body is resurrected but both of them exist currently outside of our realm

[@MichaelPeters-s7u]

😂

[@KMFCenCal]

Why do comedians like you have to hide their identity. I pray Heavenly Father touches your heart. You don't have to hide in fear.❤

[@ballardfx1140]

We do not come from one father and one mother. The word God, or Elohim in the Old Testament means the head of the gods. El is singular masculine and heim Is plural feminine. Thus, let us make mankind and OUR image BOTH male AND female. Our father is speaking to women, I don’t know why everyone thinks two guys can have a child. Just pay attention to what you read. See also Ether ch 3! Also, all the scriptures teach that Jesus is our father, he is the one that created us spiritually, and physically.

[@gingersnaps215]

“Elohim” is “gods,” not “head of the gods,” (El Elyon is, I believe, but could be mistaken, “Most High God,”) but if you look up on Bible hub it usually says in the definition for the Hebrew something like “God, or gods, in the general sense” The “-im” ending of “Elohim” is plural masculine, not feminine. Feminine plural endings are usually “-ot.” However, as with most gender languages, when dealing with both masculine and feminine nouns represented by one descriptive word, or one plural, the masculine ending is applied to both (like in French: if you have a crowd of men and women masculine descriptors are used to apply to the crowd as a whole.) I appreciate the argument you’re trying to make, but I dislike the (mistaken in this case) perpetuation of incorrect information! (And I am LDS 🙃)

[@ballardfx1140]

@@gingersnaps215 i’m sorry but you’re incorrect. Even joeseph Smith knew that it meant the head of the Gods. Here are some common sense for you. Let US make mankind BOTH male AND female in OUR image! That means that there were female in that conversation. How can you be LDS and not grasp the concept of a mother?

[@ballardfx1140]

The law of chastity is no sexual relations outside of marriage, not no sexual activity. Self pleasure is not against the commandments, as it is written in the Old Testament. It’s about cleanliness. Whenever a man enters a woman she becomes his wife and whenever a woman has a man entering into her that becomes her husband. Other than that we are to watch our thoughts because if we look upon a woman to lust after her, then you are committed it in your heart. But the laws and statutes of the Lord, do not condemn self pleasure, it regulates it with cleanliness. Stop twisting the Commandments to your own opinions and teach correct principles, and then people will govern themselves and not get so out of control.

[@Hamann9631]

@ballardfx1140, you are the one doing twisting. Self-sex (self pleasure as you called it) is a sexual relationship with oneself.

[@whatsup3270]

That sounds very Catholic, I doubt it was accidental.

[@sketchygetchey8299]

Except LDS (and other Christian Denominations) ecclesiastical leaders are married and Catholic ecclesiastical leaders aren’t allowed to get married.

[@whatsup3270]

@@sketchygetchey8299 Agreed, the relevance is missing at least to me. I do find this ironic when the Church taught polygamy as a requirement.

[@suem6004]

@@whatsup3270Sex is not polygamy. Polygamy was a spiritual covenant not one convenient shacking up like David or Solomon or Abraham or Moses. Hope you reject all scriptures from those Old Testament polygamists.

[@whatsup3270]

@@suem6004 Polygamy verses the Law of Chasity.

[@suem6004]

@@whatsup3270 God defines chastity. Not you. He said ok to Moses, Abraham and David. Deal with it. Polygamy is not sinful.

[@ballardfx1140]

Stop using the word legal, the creator does not care about the paperwork of mankind. Marriage certificates started because of slaves in America. There is an ordinance, and then the activity seals the marriage. That’s how it’s been since Adam.

[@PLopezA]

You are being misled. If not burn all your money, make sure is paper money and legal money!

[@Hamann9631]

@ballardfx1140, you are wrong. Jesus Christ said to grant unto Ceasar. That proves marriage paperwork matters to God.

[@ballardfx1140]

@@Hamann9631 ​​⁠that was about money! You know nothing about scriptures. What about all the stuff that the house of Israel took from the Egyptians when they came out of bondage? Or the laws about taking bounty from enemies in war? Try again!

[@sheldonmurphy6031]

Joseph, Brigham and his men FAILED chastity. That dude was bonking many wemon. Josephs dirty rotten affair, where he was busted by his wife banging this chick in a barn, didnt end up pregnant. Josie Poo believe in bending it over, and taking it through the car wash! 😂

[@gingersnaps215]

First off, you’re jumping to conclusions about the time “Joseph was busted by his wife.” What is said about Fanny Alger, is a second hand account from a man who says Emma said she “caught them in the act” in the barn. The context of that statement was Joseph’s marriage to Fanny Alger. We cannot tell from the statement if “the act” was a marriage ordinance, a kiss, or sex. You are leaping to conclusions because of the phrasing of “caught in the act” and living in the 21st century. If you want to make arguments against Joseph and polygamy, go right ahead! But use good information and stick to the facts and not assumptions as the basis of your disgust. He did have many wives, and yes, he did have some for both time (meaning wives in every sense, including sexually) and eternity. He also had a lot of “sealings only” marriages, which were NOT consummated (including to teenager Helen Mar Kimball, AND to older women past childbearing age).

[@sheldonmurphy6031]

@@gingersnaps215 Whatever you need to say to make yourself feel better! 😜

[@sunlight-sky151]

@@sheldonmurphy6031 Why don't you just plug your fingers in your ear and close your eyes then?

[@sheldonmurphy6031]

@@sunlight-sky151 Damn It! I was very mad those days, and now I don't have any words to say! 🤣 I ran out of troll power! However that was a better response than the other! 😊 Apologetics are just bad excuses to justify b.s. I honestly appreciate your comment Sir or Ma'am! 😊

[@Heartsinmelody]

This channel is so cringe

[@RyanMercer]

🤘🤘

[@gingersnaps215]

And yet you take the time to comment.. (and presumably also to watch)