Why Do Level 10s Play High Tier?

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[@Deathwing21]

This is only acceptable if you use some of the money to open WT crates :)

[@Wubb333]

@@Deathwing21 deal

[@thorluis226]

Ground rb rp is trash, and I personally find it worse since for air rb you only need 1 plane, but for ground you need a whole lineup, so the rewards should at least be the same, but instead it is far worse and makes ground so much worse to grind.

[@DraconixDG]

First Donut and now Wubb, the Raid sponsors are starting to spread to War Thunder

[@Wubb333]

@@DraconixDG gotta make money somehow 😓

[@lilpixelx7039]

As an American player I can confirm half my teamates are noobs who bought high teir, and the other half are using shermans for the memes.

[@scarydogse2760]

i hate to be this guy but, my buddy gave me his old account which has like 4 10.0+ vehicles. luckily i'm not TERRIBLE and i'm learning but i still will say, apologies on my behalf. i do tend to stick with lower tier germany and Russia but randomly i'll play high tier and always come short. Apologies for that man hope you get good mates

[@iimasheriiol222]

@@scarydogse2760careful that’s bannable

[@Immortal_BP]

luckily shermans are usually stabilized so they will play fine

[@LøvæFråNordn]

Whales demand plankton

[@specc_s1452]

​@@scarydogse2760 don't tell anyone what the account is called you can get it banned

[@pulemyot1337]

The problem is in the game design. WT advertises top tier vehicles to get new players hooked, and once they jump into the game, they realize it's gonna take them YEARS OF GRIND to reach top tiers, so they just buy their way through

[@Wubb333]

1000%

[@ryanrautenberg6092]

It's the perfect scheme, isn't it?

[@turtleboyz8864]

I folded and bought 1 month of premium and an A10A and in that one month so far starting from rank 3 I’ve made it to rank 7 1/2 and I only have 7 days in the game

[@pulemyot1337]

@@turtleboyz8864 I did the same with T-72AV. I guess Gaijin intended us to do so...

[@midnightvibes5485]

Im a returning OG player that turned into a "wallet warrior" just to grind out vehicles at low and mid tier and then play it casually from there. Im going to be honest, players are just mad that they cant afford premiums because they either dont have the money or for the sake of elitism.

[@titan_fx]

The war thunder paradox, where level 10 plays at 12.0 and level 100 plays at 3.0

[@leventekocsis9103]

If it wasn't for War Thunder having a monopoly by being the only game of it's kind, and there was an alternative that was really similar and had basically no grind i think Gaijin would go bankrupt.

[@tjreal2k]

As much as people hate the grind it is also what keeps them playing

[@potatosoup19129]

@@tjreal2kyep just spent around half of my gaming time in the last 2 weeks rawdogging the t72b3 stock grind and researching the t90m with only premium account, no premium vehicles. And I actually enjoyed it.

[@nesyboi9421]

​@@tjreal2kWrong I would enjoy the game infinitely more if there wasn't a grind. The time I take to just play the game in between grinding for a vehicle when I haven't picked out a new vehicle to gun for is usually the time I actually have fun, and the second I set a goal the game gets painful.

[@matthewjrw268]

@@nesyboi9421 if i didnt have to play 200 matches to get a new vehical the grind would be fun there should be at least a small like 100 match pity were if you play 100-150 matches with a top tier plane it gives you 50k rp

[@nattythepanda4692]

While I do agree that the grind is the main factor that people buy premiums, there's another factor that directly affects the perspective of new players coming into War Thunder. Check any of the promotional material, literally any ad or any sponsorship, every single time without fail they NEVER mention "hey, here's the deal, the majority of the game is actually 90% WW2 vehicles! No jets, no missiles, no Top Gear shenanigans, you're gonna get on a propeller plane and spend 15 minutes climbing only to get shot down in your first engagement". Every single ad goes "YOU CAN FLY JETS, THAT'S RIGHT, YOU CAN FLY AT THE SPEED OF SOUND! LOOK AT THIS MISSILE HITTING THIS JET!!! LOOK AT THIS MODERN TANK!! THAT'S AN ABRAMS!!! SO COOL!", and when a new player joins the game and sees that the jets they were promised are actually locked behind a 1000 hour grind, they buy a premium to get to it.

[@Wubb333]

1000% agree. another comment recommended splitting the tech-trees by era, allowing new players to start at either WW2 or cold war. do u think that would help the issue?

[@nattythepanda4692]

​@@Wubb333 I think that's honestly missing the point, because many of the fundamentals you learn during the early stages of the game translate directly to the end game, so allowing new players to immediately go to the cold war era would put them at a very big disadvantage. At a fundamental level, the real problem of War Thunder is the grind, the grind NEEDS to be reworked, the grind takes too long, it's not satisfying, it's not fun, and it's mainly a waste of time, I'd rather take away research in general and just make it an SL grind. You have the money to buy the next plane? Go ahead, buy it, skip straight ahead if you have the money! It allows new players to still go through the learning process at a faster rate while letting old players skip most of the grind when they get to a new nation.

[@diprosla592]

​​​@@Wubb333spliting the acces points to starting the grind could work, if they could skip from rank 3 - 5 if they get to their first rank 3 tank in said tree it could open up straight way to Grinding rank 5 tanks, that could allow those who want to skip the rank 3-4 late ww2 tanks right into 1960 era of rank 5, - and regarding the idea the other guy mentioned above about Silver lions being only thing needed to buy another vehicles i 100% agree with that idea 👍 - the Ressearch points could still remain to grind the modifications+ they could remove the need to BUY each Mod with SL, but it would need to be brought into reasonable level especially after rank 5 on all vehicles so that you dont have to waste many battles just to get for example basic things like Apfsds, laser rangefinder/thermals ect

[@tardactual8791]

Id have skipped WW2 tbh. Props arent fun to me at all ​@@Wubb333

[@alex190alex]

As a person who completely grinded the entire swedish tech tree I can confirm that ground RP bonuses are absolute trash

[@norske_ow3440]

I lost all ambition to play wt ground after unlocking the strv 121

[@Pxslz]

At one point I was a low level wallet warrior. Now I’m a lvl 100 with over 3k hours

[@F-16c-block50]

I remember the premium glory days.. when the f5c was the best and it was straight aces every match..

[@daeskk]

thats me… I still have the record of my premium with a extremely shit kda from when I was a level 15 playing top tier

[@Qourii_YT]

Same with me i was a low level noob too with the A-10A Premium. Now im lvl 100 and finished usa tree, german tree, russian tree, and almost swedish and french.

[@tobi2233]

@@F-16c-block50omg I remember, after 3 years my number 1 plane is still the f5c

[@oniceguard9205]

other thing to consider are that the same wallet warriors bomb rushers end up later with some high tier / top tier jet and continue to bomb (talking about F-15 and F-16 bombing for example) because they learned nothing. Or in some cases they become more dangerous than the enemy itself because they dont have an idea of how to use the weapons they have and end up team killing

[@Wubb333]

@@oniceguard9205 u see it all too often

[@TheChickenJ]

Sometimes if I just want to grind a bit more chill I take bombs on the f15 becuase you can still have a full ATA. If it’s looking bad I’ll just drop the bombs and fight like normal at the start

[@LokirofRoriksted]

I think one of the reasons noobs buy high tier jets is because most people play groundRB, so they dont level up their planes as often to bring it in a GRB match, so they try to cut corners by buying a premium plane to grind the separate tech tree and play along with their tanks. Grinding planes and modifications takes way too long compared to tanks.

[@Wubb333]

this is also very true

[@yaya123abc4]

About the time to grind, do you really think so? I feel like the grind to get new tanks/tank mods is waaaayy slower compared to planes 🤷

[@PaxBritannica34563]

Nah. I'm a GRB player and its way easier grinding out planes with a premium jet if you know what you're doing. A noob doing base runs in a F-4S is going to grind out his aviation tree way quicker than a noob in a clickbait is going to grind his ground tree. It isn't even a debate.

[@rx7sp]

@@yaya123abc4 i f2p'd germany and it felt wayyyyy easier to reach top tier germany air, meanwhile im still at 9.7 german ground

[@yaya123abc4]

@@rx7sp me too, just for usa. I got to 8.3 for tanks, it was horrible. So I switched to planes and got from 4.7 to 13.7 in about 2 months as f2p

[@mardi_studio9946]

The amount of kvts, aims nad click baits on top tier is insane, basically america on your side = death in literally 90% of the time, played with friend (duo) we won 14 battles in a row against them, 15th was with britain on his nation we were with america we lost instantly, everybody left and did nothing.... 1000 likes on the video please i am curious, amazing videos Wubb keep it going :)) PS: such a good music in the background

[@tyray3p]

The game's crazy compared to how it used to be. I reached "Top tier" (at the time the F-86F-2) without a premium account or premium vehicles by the time I hit level 21. When people make the argument that level 20s to level 50s shouldn't play top tier I always look at them sort of weird, because I didn't get where they were coming from. Hearing you say that most people report they now hit top tier around level 70 to 80 is insane to me. The amount of experience needed to level up in the game has not changed at all to my knowledge. The requirement from 1 to 100 is the same now as it was 8, 10 years ago. That just goes to show how much more time and effort you have to put into the game to make the same amount of progress (bottom to top tier) now compared to back then. As a comparison, it took me a handful of months to grind out the swedish air tree when it came out. Reserve to the Viggen (JA37C). I had a premium account, and I did have the premium SAAB as well. That was my entry vehicle into getting early access to the tree. That was... 5 years ago? I still play the game regularly. I have a talisman on my JA37C. I still have a premium account, and I play often. I still have yet to research a Gripen in that air tree. I mean I have yet to even break into rank 8. In a few months of admittedly relatively no-lifing the game (I was just outta high school don't blame me lol) I researched an ENTIRE tech tree (mainly by just flying the premium SAAB). Over the past 5 years, with the addition of the Finish Aircraft being a requirement to unlock rank 8, I have yet to even begin researching the JA37D. When the F-100 first came out, it took me about 6 hours of gameplay to get (Again, premium account, Talisman on the F-86F-2). That's including the time sat waiting for queue, or just taking short breaks between battles. Now-a-days it takes me weeks, upwards of 2 months, to research a single top tier vehicle, ground or air. Just to add: The game has a new player problem. People try the game, realize the shit they wanna play is years worth of grinding away, and leave. That, or they buy a top tier premium, and get crucified by the community. This community is old, and very much not welcoming to new players. While at the same time we sit and complain about the growth of the game being minimal. We complain about Gaijin constantly upping monetization, when in reality they have very few new players to actually monetize too (hence increased prices and amounts of premium to non-premium vehicle ratio). It's Gaijin's fault, as they're the ones who dictate how long it takes to reach top tier. It's also the community's fault, for allowing Gaijin to do this, and not pushing back enough. People view the whole "Free Parts and FPE" as a massive win for the community. Why? Did we get free parts? No. Did we get free FPE? Barely. Did we take it as a massive win, congratulate Gaijin for doing the right thing, and then just ignored the remainder of the problem? Absolutely.

[@geronimo5537]

Honestly if Gaijin just cut back half way on prices and grind time it would be a much more choose your playstyle game. Instead of simply being a time sink. Another issue for me is the boosters. They should last a period of time per day or days. Instead there are insane limitations and per match limit uses. This is where Gaijin started to really betray their own model. A heavy grind system would be fine in its current form. Unfortunately they dont give much value to the player in RNG bonuses to keep playing. I started an account back in like 2018. Ignored the game for years prior and after due to lack of maps and grind model. Only now in 2024 am I actually putting in some time to learn to play as I feel there is some actual content in the game to warrant it. But Im seeing all the little cash grab tactics and pay to win tactics used in the game. While also experiencing it from other players who paid to win in matches. All this combines together as rather a turn off to keep playing instead of continuing. I much rather go drop several $100s in star citizen per year than pay what Gaijin is doing by so much nickel and diming to bypass their horrid grind system. Really a shame, for much how Gaijin wastes in advertisements. They could have easily funded much more content to allure more players keeping things fresh without extensive grind schemes. Much could be improved in the game with their premium mechanics. Both in vehicles and boosters. Not by increasing the benefits further. But by making those without premium actually get fulfilling rewards to keep them hooked and encourage them to see the worthwhile of using what premium could offer. Currently, the only benefit of premium is simply to slightly avoid grind whoopy do waste of money. People can spend their money any way they want. Just more people would be willing to spend bits of money than chunks of money if the grind model was actually more well designed. Take me for example, I just avoided playing the game for over a decade. Where I could have spent time and money it in war thunder instead. The same could be said for millions of other players that get turned off from playing looking at how the game is managed.

[@TackshooterOG]

I came from DCS and snagged the f20 to grind the US tree. It took me 2 weeks to complete it and then my brother came over from DCS and VTOL VR. I don’t mind supporting devs, the grind of the game is not fun for me as an adult with kids and limited time but plenty of skill. Some people are wallet warriors with 4 IQ but I only fly and I only fly jets so it was nice to be able to effectively and efficiently grind to the F-16C, talisman that and then finish the US as a nation in like 3 more days.

[@Wubb333]

great choice, love the F-20 hope u and ur brother are enjoying the war thunder flyouts

[@TackshooterOG]

@@Wubb333 dude it’s great! I love the f-20 and would gladly grind for a tech tree equivalent with Fox-3’s. Would be a great change up compared to the f-16C in terms of high performance dog fighters. Would be fun to see a 4 AMRAAM, 2 AIM-9M on the Tigershark. I’m really enjoying it. It makes me wonder how fun the MiG-21 Bison would be since it seems to feel similar in some aspects in a similar BR.

[@shahbaz6741]

Dcs players have all the right to buy premiums straight away imo

[@CoolLink-Zelda]

DCS players have the aerial combat skills to compete in top tier, maybe it will take some time to get used to the new flight controls. So good luck and have fun grinding!

[@FutureGohanGlazer]

I got F-5C and i got every US top tier last week and i bought it at the end of june

[@tutelwt]

as a f2p US player, the premium spam really messes you up..

[@sihani1603]

hey, i am too!

[@Peter_Soma]

im f2p us player too, i find the premium spam is just free kills, maybe they ruin the experience but it is faster grind to 13.7, that i wanna play

[@jappe-d1x]

@@Peter_Soma13.7 is just launching missiles, getting 0-3 kills and them dying. How is that Fun? 😅 the Games last like 5 min

[@Peter_Soma]

@@jappe-d1x it isnt fun, who said that? Wt is life and faster grind to 13.7 means that my family will be free sooner.

[@Inanescissors49]

I play top tier because it’s what I got into the game for. I bought the F4S after working through some basic early planes in arcade and seeing how long it was going to take to get to the missiles and jets I wanted so badly. So I bought it and started learning it. It took me days to just learn how to use the radar and weapon system and remember all my important keybinds. It took me weeks to internalize it and start getting the strategies down and start getting even half way decent. Now after nearly 600 games in the plane I’m over a 1.0 KD and can get consistent games with a few kills with my highest being 6! I love this plane and even after spading my F-15C, which was always the end goal for me, I still prefer to play the F4S. It’s what I know and love and it pays me damn well for having a good game. I bring in a loadout with four 9’s and four 7’s with the gun pod and no intention of bombing now but I don’t blame those who do. It’s part of the fun!

[@400smallblock]

I was a noob that bought an f4s roughly around rank 15-20 cuz i was tired of the agonizing slow research progress. Once I reached top tier on USA I stopped using the f4s. But I didn't really focus on bases, I tried to be a team player and just kill enemy players. I did the same with the mig23 on the USSR tech tree

[@Wubb333]

this is the wallet warrior noob that i respect 🙏

[@conarteest2939]

Yeah, we all knew of the problem of low levels in high tier. And imma be real, at high tier, with the premiums the provide, as long as you have a few key binds bound, you don’t need a lot to play well, no matter your level. The issue for me specifically comes when I see people strapping their F5Cs, F4Ss, and other planes designed for fighting other planes full of bombs. You can be like level 10, and as long as you are at least trying to fight, I believe most of the high tier players of a high level won’t really complain. It’s just that they don’t do that and become dead weight. Wish it would change, but there ain’t nothing we can do.

[@Wubb333]

completely agree. whenever i see an F-4S with missiles instead of bombs, i breathe a sigh of relief lol

[@oniceguard9205]

@@Wubb333 especially when is a good aircraft... hell i would kill to have the F-4S in japan TT instead of the EJ (or at least have the slats)

[@oniceguard9205]

thats my main grasp most of those players do not do any effort to be usefull and they often kill each other or others players for the funsies so they are not even just non existent but a detriment for the team because you need to keep an eye on them

[@shadow_spark8788]

I'm level 63 and I have all US top tier jets, except strike branch. I bought an F-5C then I reached rank 6 (I was 30 ish level), bc progression started to get painfully slow. Prior to that I ran premium + talisman bc I hate props and wanted to skip them asap. So, with help from God, arcade, bombing runs and wallet I speedran my way to rank 5, and here I started to learn air combat properly. No bombing, air-to-air gameplay only. And I think early jets are the planes I had the most fun with (F-80 and Sabers are amazing). Then there was the sale, I bought F-5C, bc like I said after rank 6 grind is painfully slow. As of today, F-5C is my most played aircraft (300+ matches, KD above 1.2), and imo it's one of the best planes to learn jet combat. Now I don't know what do in the game, I bored from top tier (F-15C is my second most played aircraft), I want to grind Russia or France, but don't want to start from props. Guess I need single player game treatment)

[@Wubb333]

i wish more people used the F-5C as its intended (like u), but i see so many low level players using it to bomb or ground pound 😭

[@VIT-ey8wo]

The mig-23ml is still good, despite the nerf. No to mention that the tomcats are finally going up. Though gaijin could also introduce a rank 8 premium for the soviet tech tree(that was the biggest reason for them to nerf the mig 23) so you might as well want to wait. For France you could get the new sea hawk if you have the event mirage 2000C-S4. The sea hawk is a joy to fly. The event mirage is great too. The mirage c1 f200 seems to be rather meh, due to radar missiles having a pulse signal. Matra Magic 2 IR missiles are OP though. Doubt they would add a new 8 rank for France anytime soon, at least because they didnt nerf the MTI mode on the mirage, unlike with the mig 23.

[@AuGTN01]

I love F-4S players, they give the early match entertainment of crashing on take off even when Gaijin added the "instructor will stop back back of plane to hit ground when pulling up" at take off option On at default

[@Wubb333]

im always amazed at how many people crash at takeoff...

[@Msggaming786]

As a level 16 player, I was stupid enough when I was like level 10 maybe? To browse the marketplace and asking my mom to buy the f-4s for a Christmas present. But now I learnt from my mistake and I rarely play the f-4s. I only play the f-4s with my friends, and when I’m not playing with my friends I stick to low tier.

[@SovietEKitten123]

Same for me, I bought the f-104s taf because i thoguht it was cool but its pretty much the same story for me

[@sihani1603]

F4s is good, you have good radar missiles and the radar seems to be fine

[@detonater7441]

@@sihani1603f4s is very good. I’m assuming that he meant he either doesn’t enjoy or isn’t good enough at high tier/the game yet to play it.

[@tr0fast280]

Nah dude you should definetely play it. Just check some KZbin for guides on how to play it. Take into a test match and get used to the guns & misslies. Then you're all set.

[@pliat]

It’s seasonal. If you play the game at peak player numbers, and especially just after they add a new and awaited premium, you can get game after game of literally the entire team of that vehicle. If anyone was about when the xm1 first came out, you know what I’m talking about.

[@SoulsThieve]

I love when a user with pt-76-57 died they just spawn the most powerful vehicle of all.. a SU-76M 😂

[@naughtyewok]

I'm a ground main so would love to see the Ground video but this was really enlightening. Appreciate the video man

[@darealsherlock8026]

Bro got the RAID money I congratulate you.

[@koosalakoopakoop8388]

I just started playing 2 days ago and I really like your videos thanks bud

[@Wubb333]

welcome! (please run away before its too late, or else WT will consume u...)

[@cabbageashthe1st594]

I remember a lvl 10 wallet warrior... now Im a lvl 100 wallet warrior! and my winrate is actually above 50% now

[@Bob_games9]

The lowest level player i have ever seen in a high tier air RB game was a level 2 in a AV8B NA

[@Wubb333]

for me, a level 5 in AV-8B NA..... something about that plane........

[@dolfars]

as a lvl 90 i think 7.0 is the best for tanks

[@skylordmax7108]

Part of the problem IMO is that war thunder's gamemode doesn't contribute to varied play style well. Wanna actually play the game? Be a fighter. If not, you are effectively not contributing anything to the match. There are ways to fix this, during the EC playtests bombers had a ground spawn, which meant they had to spend time deciding how far they would climb to bomb a base, not to mention the compartmental damage for each airfield, so you could target the enemy's ability to refuel at certain airfields. But right now it's essentially just kills that are the only way to win an air RB match.

[@runakovacs4759]

Sim EC is a lot of fun. My only complaints are shit-tier rewards (get 2 kills? you get no more reward for 15 minutes afterwards. Bomb a base? Same deal. Useful actions is horrible for actual active play) and china. I really, really hate flying my mustang, seeing another mustang or a p-38 or b-25j and ignoring them since, hey - friendly! Then they open up and murder me. Lend-lease and visual ID should not mix.

[@skylordmax7108]

@@runakovacs4759 Yeah, I don't play sim because it's in a kind of uncanny valley area for me, for me if I wanna just pop into a game casually, that's what WT does for me. But sim I would prefer to use my stick because I'm not a fan of the mouse control scheme. And at that point I'd just rather play a proper simulator like IL-2 because I'd want some more realism. That's why I loved those playtests because it hit that sweet spot of enjoyment for me, but alas it is gone

[@fairnut6418]

4:56 lol skill issue on that 4S

[@radiomanreal]

2:26 THE NAME OF THE GUY IN THE MIG-21 IS FemboyPounder

[@MrLefXi]

Former low level Top Tier jet player here. When I first started the game my friend and I just bought a jet because we loved jets more than prop planes and it took ages before I found out that bombing bases is more effective than killing actual players so my first 100h of jet gameplay was to learn on how to actually play the jet and use the missles and radar modes correct but oh boy let me tell you when I found out I could just bomb bases to get more progress I deleted half the missles in my loadout to bomb at least one base and kill maybe one enemy before getting shot down and even today I enjoy jets more than prop planes even so I grinded the whole swedish air tree to get the Gripen because I think its a cool plane and at the end of the day its just a video game and I think everyone should play what he enjoys most

[@endless_havoc123]

My friend bought me my F-4S and im just happy to play and enjoy the more complex aircraft mechanics

[@Weston-ir3jb]

ngl im fine with the guy who just loves the plane honest to god what a good guy

[@ReepecheepV]

I was this person i bought the f5c. At Christmas at level 30 or so. Why I think many people do it is just because the plane just makes them happy or they just like playing in a jet like top gun.

[@SkiddyOcean117]

As much as people like to play alone and grind, Air RB is truly a team based gamemode, if your team is even at a slight disadvantage and you don't have at least a few very competent players to make up for it on your team than there is literally nothing you can do and the game goes to the dumpster fire which is very common. This is especially annoying for the people that arent as good in Air RB but still want to have fun getting kills and learning their planes. They really have to change game modes up for it to appeal to all types of players, not every lobby can have Defyn, Seek or me carrying the team to a victory.

[@drogothunderson8343]

Hey man, excellent analysis and data collection, love that you put in the work and critical thinking! Keep it up brother, this is the first video I watch from you but made me subscribe. Amazing work.

[@Wubb333]

i appreciate that a lot. positive comments like this keep me going

[@cfournell]

Maybe because we want to have fun

[@cfournell]

Also to be clear it’s not just fun we like our cool planes

[@cfournell]

Grinding is a perk of corse but base bombing gets boring so I don’t do it unless I really want a plane I will say playing it is much faster then normal 500 hours to 10.7 is good

[@er00ic]

It's ultimately Gaijin's fault for setting up the expectation that more experienced players will be using more modern vehicles. There is some real potential for high skill gameplay with lower tier stuff and for the reverse, but the way you progress through the game rewards people with more and more advanced vehicles rather than a greater variety of them

[@TheJokingJoker.]

I am one of the “wallet warriors” (which btw great name lol) and I bought the A-10A Early and the F4S-Phantom II. They were both on sale when I got them so I didn’t just waste $140 on some pixels. Instead I spent about $70 on some pixels. The reason why I got the A-10A was because the A-10 is my favorite plane in the whole wide world and I do not regret buying it because it makes me have fun. The reason why I got the F4S was because I wanted a top tier fighter jet. I completely regret buying the F4S because it just sucks compared to the other premiums I could’ve gotten in my opinion. And yes I am pretty bad at the game (level 12) but I have fun and that is the only reason why I play games nowadays

[@user-zo7vp6zl3z]

Imma just say this, the lvl 5's and 10's are literally a waste of a team slot at top tier.

[@bobbob-jf9mi]

The war thunder community is like tarkov. In WT, youre a noob until you hit level 100. In tarkov, youre a noob until you hit 1k hours. Strange people.

[@Frogg-YT]

for arb my experience with high tier premium noobs was really bad a year-ish ago but about 9 months ago my teams stopped being filled with noobs who suck and only bomb/rocket bases

[@Tekalook]

5:28 shameless kill steal wubb

[@Pvrge.]

Watching this video while base bombing in my F4S in the background

[@michaelvigil5321]

The problem with player lvl is that you get to lvl 100 pretty fast compared to other games that have prestiges and stuff to keep going. I would agree that about lvl 70, that's about when the game clicked for me, but I would still consider myself pretty bad at lvl 100 200 hours vs lvl 100 3600 hours. Basically people may be lvl 100 and still be noobs, there's too much to learn for a number to represent skill

[@Veinseven]

Great video! I was a wallet warrior and in my opinion i liked that route.. took me 1 and a half week ish (a little less) to get Gripen. I had a lot of aircraft knowledge from Arma 3 which i applied and it worked out pretty good. Now im grinding the french tech tree from props and i find it much easier with the knowledge acquired to be good and have fun in those lower tiers. Low tier air is more skilled imo since it is straight dogfights and high tier is just whoever can notch or dodge and has more missiles usually wins.

[@IronMike5]

When it comes to ground, I have to admit, Gaijin's new top tier research bonus - in which you get a 5 battle XP bonus every day for all tech trees of that vehicle type, for unlocking top tier in one tree and vehicle type - has made ground grinding quite a bit easier. I literally unlocked every single American tank, so when this got added, I now have a daily bonus for every other tank tech tree. But that bonus only applies to researching vehicles, not modifications, and the modifications take forever. Especially with vehicles that suffer from stock syndrome, like the M48A2 C in the German tree. On that note, with grinding taking so long, the amount of premiums - especially in top tier - is absurd. I constantly see M1 KVTs, Clickbaits, Leopard 2 PzBtl, T-72 TURMS, and 2S38s all the time. America by far has it the worst and even my friend bought a bunch of top tier premiums, which I advised him not to...

[@ShadowestWizard]

it isnt necessarily the grind that kills the game, its more the rewards for actually doing good, theres basically no difference between getting 12 kills and 3 kills

[@Moniieko]

The number of Leopard pzbtl lvl 10's in ground battles during summer sale was so much it was impossible to win a game if you had Germany in your team

[@Wubb333]

how it feels playing the new Boxer MGS lol

[@vinnygee173]

the only players that should get top tier premiums as soon as they start imo are the dcs and vtol vr players

[@ltkmwarthunder]

In sim EC, the AV-8B can score you well over 150k RP from one match from bombing, and the JDAMs make hitting ground battles targets an absolute turkey shoot. Absolutely ludicrous

[@thoms6982]

I love gaming, its hard to combine with a full time job. I dont have the time to grind my way to the top. I enjoy a casual game, trying strategics and having fun. I buy a few verhicles each nation, so i can respawn a few times. Call me a walletwarrior or whatever. But i enioy the game my way, so should you. I rather work a few hours for my verhicles then playing hundreds of hours for it

[@Wubb333]

not knocking at all, my gripe is with the game design not the player (i was one of them too!)

[@nastyyyt2470]

Now bro made me feel bad for buying the F4s as a lvl 15. I want to buy it cause it was part of my childhood. Grew up watching those fly over my head and it will help me grind the tech tree 😅

[@Wubb333]

go for it, brother

[@1itrak]

I recently took a very long break from the game. I realized that I had spent 2000 hours in war thunder and realized that I had never had fun during those hours. I really want war thunder to be a good game that I want to come back to, but i found myself wanting to go back for all the wrong reasons. "I need to finish my daily tasks and complete the special task" "I need to buy whatever I need from the warbond shop before it resets" "I need to get more value out of my premium time." Are things I would tell myself so that I wouldn't feel like I was losing out on money I had already spent on the game. But that is not all. I realised that 50% of low tier air realistic matches are just spent watching youtube while climing, and high/top tier air realistic is just not fun with the 16 v 16 game mode. The only way I found myself to have fun in war thunder was when I was playing low tier ground battles with friends of mine. But they never wanted to put in the time or money it takes to reach higher tiers, they simply are not interested. High/top tier ground battles are not really a fun experience either, but that is due to a fundamentally bad game mode and game design. Why is a barely armored artillery piece facing heavy, nearly indestructable soviet monster tanks? The game modes make no sense and most vehicles simply can not do the functions they were designed to do in real life. It really ruins ground battles. I really feel like war thunder is in need of a complete battle rating overhaul as well as bringing enduring confrontation to realistic in both air and ground modes. I can't see myself returning anytime soon, and the wallet warriors are definetly not helping. I remember when gaijin was saying that they would never add high tier premiums, but here we are.

[@geronimo5537]

Honestly if Gaijin just cut back half way on prices and grind time it would be a much more choose your playstyle game. Instead of simply being a time sink. Another issue for me is the boosters. They should last a period of time per day or days. Instead there are insane limitations and per match limit uses. This is where Gaijin started to really betray their own model. A heavy grind system would be fine in its current form. Unfortunately they dont give much value to the player in RNG bonuses to keep playing. I started an account back in like 2018. Ignored the game for years prior and after due to lack of maps and grind model. Only now in 2024 am I actually putting in some time to learn to play as I feel there is some actual content in the game to warrant it. But Im seeing all the little cash grab tactics and pay to win tactics used in the game. While also experiencing it from other players who paid to win in matches. All this combines together as rather a turn off to keep playing instead of continuing. I much rather go drop several $100s in star citizen per year than pay what Gaijin is doing by so much nickel and diming to bypass their horrid grind system. Really a shame, for much how Gaijin wastes in advertisements. They could have easily funded much more content to allure more players keeping things fresh without extensive grind schemes. Much could be improved in the game with their premium mechanics. Both in vehicles and boosters. Not by increasing the benefits further. But by making those without premium actually get fulfilling rewards to keep them hooked and encourage them to see the worthwhile of using what premium could offer. Currently, the only benefit of premium is simply to slightly avoid grind whoopy do waste of money. People can spend their money any way they want. Just more people would be willing to spend bits of money than chunks of money if the grind model was actually more well designed. Take me for example, I just avoided playing the game for over a decade. Where I could have spent time and money it in war thunder instead. The same could be said for millions of other players that get turned off from playing looking at how the game is managed.

[@1itrak]

@@geronimo5537 Since they literally do not have a competitor in their space, they have no reason to improve the game except for their own satisfaction and love of the game. But as the years have passed and the company has grown, they put their focus on how to extract as much money from the playerbase as possible with the least ammount of work put in. It is clearly hurting not only the community but their own game as well. Besides the nearly endless grind, there is not much of an objective for me, the player. I dont sit down and think "Today I will try to see how many ground unit kills I can get in 4 matches!" The gameplay is extremely stale and is really only a way for the player to earn RP and SL. They have all of the ground work built up to have extremely fun and engaging game modes that fit a lot of different players, regardless of what kind of plane or ground vehicle you are playing. I think the lack of AI Units on maps is strange, their focus on raw PVP gameplay is hurting them. Not all players want to fight other players. Some just want to get into a ground attacker and attack ground vehicles. Some want to be in a bomber and bomb objectives. But gaijin is knowingly limiting the way people can play. Because they are knowingly making the game as annoying as possible to get you to spend money on premium time and vehicles to just skip the grind. But even then, at high tier, even with premium time and vehicles. It takes several days of 2-3 hours per day grinding to unlock a single vehicle. Without premium, you are looking at weeks, or even months if you dont have that much time to play every day. I want to like war thunder, but it is so hard when Gaijin does it best to make it unlikeable. Why is there no realistic co-op SEAD style missions in the game? Why is there not smaller air matches where its more a instant 2v2 kind of game. Why is there not more veriety in the game? Gaijin is a greedy company, that is why.

[@The_gaming_guy-z7a]

Wubb is cooking with this one, keep up the good work man, and yes I am that same gaming guy in the discord

[@The_gaming_guy-z7a]

Idk if you remember me wubb, but it’s worth a shot

[@Wubb333]

the pilot guy

[@wolflittlepsycho3437]

I started 2-3 years ago. It was after the volumetric update and laser rangefinder update that adjusted the range automatically. I got T34-57, KV1-C, few low br planes as it was recommended to me. Suddenly I had multiple high br packs. Even for bad battle I had 10-15K rp with my Leopard L44. For good battle even 30K. Now I have 14 kills, drop a nuke, prem account and my reward is 10K rp in ground... In air RB I just drob bombs twice or even 3 times if battle isnt over and I get 45K rp :D They nerfed the RP gains to oblivion.

[@RuskThunder]

As a formal low level high tier player, I just wNted a change of pace, now im a level 100 and barely use any premium vehicles

[@aejerthegreat]

There is plenty of LV.1s with the tornado too, for some reason...

[@XYVTN]

I originally started War Thunder with buying the MiG-23ML. Now to the reason. I have a huge passion for aviation and I am also studying to become an aerospace design engineer. I always loved military aircraft and the MiG-23 is one of my favorite cold war era interceptors. Thing is I already have experience with simulators so I started out with ARB and had immediate success. In the beginning I got maybe 1-2 kills per match, but now I am at a consistent 3-5. Considering that I already had an understanding of aircraft and a basic understanding of its weaponry it was a very easy transition and start for me. I never used my MiG-23 for bombing. And the second reason is that I just don't care about playing low tier. I don't enjoy low tier, never did, I do like the aircraft historically, but from a gameplay pov I find them very boring. My main interest lies in modern aircraft and their technology (avionics, etc.) When it comes to others, I can imagine that most just buy their way into top tier, because fighter jets are just cool, but they don't really know how to play them and get frustrated so they resort to bombing. But it's honestly also down to how War Thunder is advertised. It is advertised as an easy to learn arcade vehicular combat game, which is very far from the truth. They do not mention the steep learning curve. And having some basic knowledge of aircraft is kind of required todo well.

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

4:04 ehm yes

[@I_MR2]

probably because they see the cool stuff in the ads and stuff and realizing you not actually getting the thing instanty

[@thug_a_la_fraise885]

This is my experience as a premium player. Last year, I bought the F5C a little after beginning my journey in this game. I mostly used it as a dogfighter and occasionally rocketed bases when I felt tired of PVP (but it was mostly PVP). I used it until I unlocked the F5E and F4J and now I use those instead (BTW, the F4J is so nice, I can see why the F4S is so popular since it has good DF capabilities). RN I've unlocked the first F16 and am OMW to unlock the rest of rank 8 (I know that my grind is slow, but I can't play constantly because of college) Although starting with the F5C was hard because there was a learning curve, it got me used to the basics of jet fighting. So I really don't regret it, even if I started really bad and got often called a wallet warrior. Plus, after playing them later on, I realized that I really don't like props and that it is likely that if I had to grind a tech tree using them, I would've quit before reaching rank 5

[@Wubb333]

good on u for actually learning the fundamentals, instead of giving into the ease of base bombing

[@TruEliocean]

i got the f5c when lvl 35(i was tired of propeller planes and saw youtubers with shiny top tier jets) and the f 4s at lvl 80 (to help grinding faster)

[@99redpontoons]

"And that was without the bonus for winning the match" ...something you're never gonna see at that BR if there's an American flag on your team's nation lineup.

[@PerciusLive]

I will say, grinding air is significantly easier if you have a semblance of knowing what youre doing. the skill curve is much mor linear and winning is much less random as ground is.

[@donk8961]

>Be me > Level 40, high paying job > Buy into 10.x BR > Easy to learn, flight fundamentals at lower tiers work here too except I have shitty IR Missiles now > "UOGUGH WALLET WARRIORS ON MY TEAM REEEEEEE" - guy who died 5 minutes after takeoff > me, wallet warrior, 5 kills with my cannon. my friend, wallet warrior, 3 kills with his TRAM's IR missiles many such cases.

[@timewaster504]

I bought my high tier because I love enduring confrontation sim, and you can’t find it anywhere else.

[@makotoyuki2199]

I was Rank 4 or 5 of the US aircraft tech tree when I said fuck it and spent the money to get the F-4S. However before I even TOUCHED the aircraft, I knew I was gonna need to learn how the radar, missiles, fuel consumption, and other things worked, as well as learning what key binds would be a good idea. So I watched some guides on the F-4S and how the radars worked and that stuff, and I eventually settled on a base-bomber + dogfighter loadout for most my grinding with the F-4S. Eventually I got good at actually dogfighting with the F-4S after some trial and error, and put more emphasis on attacking enemy fighters as a way to boost the SL and RP earned. These days after I've grinded the US tech tree and the French tech tree, I have key binds tailored to my preference, and I only get one kill a game if I have a really really bad match, with two kills now being the bare minimum I get now. I'm level 80+ now, and am setting my sights on grinding the Russian or Japanese tech tree after the BR changes happen this next update.

[@Wubb333]

this is 100% the correct mindset. i dont care if people buy high tier premiums... i just wish they would know what theyre doing or try to actually learn the plane, rather than give in to the ease of base-bombing.

[@makotoyuki2199]

@@Wubb333 My reasoning for putting so much time into learning the ins and outs of dogfighting and also learning the pros and cons of various radars and such was really due to my desire to see what it’s like to be a back-up character in Ace Combat >w> But in all seriousness I knew if I only did bombing during my grind, I’d be hopeless once I get the planes I wanted in the first place. The F-15C, F-16C, and the Mirage 2000-5F. (Although I recently realized that the M2K 5F is the only plane in Rank 8 that truly fits my exact play style)

[@SirusFIN]

I bought the Tornado IDS WTD61 because 1. I wanted a plane that I could use for Air TT grinding AND as a CAS plane in my 10.3 ground line up (where I got F2P) 2. I wasn't a good air player at the time of purchase so I wanted a plane that had relatively easy gameplay loop, got more experienced in jet combat also using that, because after i bombed a base i still had 2x AIM-9Ls 3. I'm not realy intrested in props, I like jet gameplay more 4. I needed a SL grinder because I were at top tier ground so everything is so darn expencive

[@The_best_Quack]

another thing is that since theres so many f4s and such,most plane at 11.3 will get uptier to 12.0 or 12.3 it completely ruin the br

[@confirmed_sinner]

im at level 35 if i remember correctly , i use the f4s as a fighter(aka 4 aim7s and i think 4 aim9s) but i also carry 2 napalm bomb for when i get near a base.

[@tayyebodeh5903]

as someone who did this with the f-4s its bc i had money to spare i had a job to make me more money i was a teenager in summer break with a job that made me a millionare in comparison to others i did it bc i didnt want to spend thousands of hours grinding a tech tree i wanted to get to top tier also the learning curve really does help you to understand the game faster its been like 3 months since i bought the f-4s im level 55 but im bassicly done with the US tech tree i just stopped before the last 2 jets bc i saw a discount on the chinese j-7D yesterday so i got it (im in rank 3 rn of china and i love the j-7D) but at some point i realized i shouldnt bomb bases as i did start to learn more about dog fighting and such so

[@MyMika2004]

i got my boyfriend the draken because hes swedish and so that i have someone to play with even if he is level 10

[@PSS_VENOM666]

Im level 34 with F5C and I tell you - Im doing my best, not trying to bomb bases. Sometimes I die from random R60, sometimes I get 3 kills with my guns only. I like jets, played every game possible with them and trust me if I could just chill in PVE rather than "ruining" your matches, I would. We are all in this together :)

[@djyppo]

As a Lv.100 old guard, In high tier AIR RB my most used strategy is going really fast for the left base (usually use the MF-1 for this, since it's way faster than the overloaded F-4S with 5 billion bombs), getting the free SL and then i'll engage into battle from a flanking position, it's pretty easy to score some 2 kills on distracted people this way.

[@Wubb333]

new players need to listen up 🏫

[@djyppo]

@@Wubb333 problem is that this is only viable with a fast premium plane, you also dont want to have any more kg of tnt that necessary for a base, fuel is also like just around 21min. Reason being, it's just not profitable to use this kind of playstile with a tech tree or event vehicle coz of the low bonus % of rewards. It makes my blood boil seeing F-14s and F-15s base bombing when they have a much more competitive loadout and are much more important on the overall team structure

[@EditsJomama]

As a level 17 who owns a F4s it’s great for bombing but I would only use the aim 7 for air to air combat, and only buy things that high up the tech tree when there’s a big sale

[@MadelynofHell]

this is actually really fascinating info

[@aquafire_yt6247]

It’s really crazy bc I saw people that had 3 rounds in arcade with their bi planes and then bought a F5c. And in chat he asked how to play the game/plane. Everyone just told him to get 30h of arcade/ gameplay to learn how to play/fight. I don’t get it how you spend 70$ but you haven’t even played more than 5h. I bought my first high tier premium at around lvl 70 (2s38) and at around lvl 80 the F5c

[@thisisaduck]

Could you make a similar video looking into high tier ground wallet warriors with some emphasis on people who leave the game early?

[@thisisaduck]

It really is worse in ground as you’ll often be left to fight half the team on your own or find you’ve won in 5 minutes by doing nothing depending on how many new/inexperienced players are in a game.

[@fleet_admiral_xman]

This is why I’m glad that I reached 13.7 with the F15C. No low level noobs ruining my games up here lol. I am very thankful for not having to deal with the level 10 noobs and instead duke it out with fellow “pros” and enthusiasts. If you are lv 10, try getting a premium that’s on your own br level please

[@plazmaguy13yago9]

there is nothonf wrong witg being cannon fodder for me i actually appreciate low le els in top teir easing up my research

[@JustinM4]

I bought the F4S Phantom II Yesterday because i was below 300K Sl and i wanted to do some grinding without Beeing mad when my skill starts lacking so i got the Phantom played a few rounds and then switched between the Phantom and my Me262 Squadron wich those are the only 2 jets i own at lvl 24 or 25... before i got the phantom i didnt play the 262 much since it wasnt profitable i dodnt have a strategy nor the skill to do it after i got the phantom i had a new perspective and i seemed easier so it might also be for skill reasons why i got the F4s

[@JustinM4]

And due to the Halloween event the Phantom was way Cheaper than ussually i am considering getting myself something else for christmas too

[@TapczanZaglady]

you should teach that lvl 5 with av8 how to play sims, this is the best mode for that plane. You take off, drop bombs, you go back, repeat.

[@remkirkthegamer1157]

I bought the F-4S because I was level 25 and already wasn't having fun with the game. I just wanted to unlock the F-15A and F-15C, because the F-15 is my favorite plane. Initially, I base-bombed with a loadout that a more experienced player recommended to me (it was this same player that suggested I buy the F-4S to grind with), but after rockets vs. bases got nerfed and I grabbed the A2D-1 (the snail graced me with a coupon and my neurons activated upon seeing a 4000 lb. bomb), I stopped base bombing in high tier. Nowadays, I take out the F-4S when I want to have fun (2 AIM-9s, 5 AIM-7s, and the cannon pod, time to weave through canyons and die to another Magic 2). I've found that high tier ARB is a lot more fun than props and early jets, probably because it isn't as dependent on having a plane that can't climb but has to BnZ to survive. Edit: Oh, I also bought the Click-Bait. Yes, it was to grind, yes, I regret it because I haven't earned anything with it as GRB is a lot harder to do well in than ARB. On the bright side, I have an Abrams and plastered it in weeb shit.

[@brandonrashall9157]

speaking for ground, When they added the M1128 (Premium and Wolfpack) I bought those two flat out, more or less because I have worked with the type before (not the specific variant) and fell in love with strykers (Mind you im just now getting into the 9.7 range when i did this two years ago). Ended up buying the A10/ F5C so that i had CAS, i avoid air like the plague best i can because its missile jousting in the higher tiers, and lower tiers its... slow, i love the planes not the gameplay. The only premium ive ever used to legit grind out tiers 3 through 5 was the Premium A26 that i "Think" is exclusive to Playstation and i used it for its intended role, base bombing. Had a game I made 150K SL just bombing and a bomber joust with the last JU288. I really only buy premiums, if i am in that specific tier bracket with Germany and Israel being the only exceptions.

[@FunFishFacts]

Mig 23 is by no means a base bomber , with full layload it cant even take out a base afaik but the players suck so much that they bomb in it anyway

[@michaelgow7461]

The biggest problem for me is the lack of diversity at high tier now, I have had multiple games where the only vehicles on my team are Phantoms and every game it seems like half of both teams are using event vehicles, squadron vehicles or premiums, it gets boring fighting the same planes over and over again.

[@Wubb333]

high tier USA today: 40% F-14 IRIAF / 40% F-4S II / 5% F-14A / 5% F-16A

[@jellyninjabean6894]

As someone who is level 49 and plays in an f4s, I didnt want to manage the economy (I bought before it was made easier) and wanted to get to the top within a somewhat reasonable time.

[@gorilla6911]

aint no way bro hit us with a raid shadow legends sponsor

[@Wubb333]

certified bag chaser

[@maxcarlos1355]

This was literally me. But honestly the J7D wasn't too hard to learn and have gotten so much fun out of it.

[@Opiumdioxidus]

As a level 13 free to play at 6.0, it kind of builds skill if you just go through the tiers without spending money. It forces you to learn tactics and how the game works. Not exactly friendly to your mental health though.

[@L8_nght]

My point of hate with top tier premiums is that if you buy for example an f20 or F4s then there is really no point in grinding the tech tree. You already have very good planes and end up regretting your purchase. I would buy the T54E1 for murcia because its fun. But nothing else.

[@bean_eater1558]

Why are people complaining? The high levels kill the low levels like predators to prey. Just let nature do its thing.

[@shikikanaz4624]

Tank research is bad enough... but the Heli grind... is a whole other hell (video idea?)

[@Wubb333]

perhaps.................

[@GeoGoji]

I cant even be mad about the raid sponsorship, im just happy your getting sponsored

[@Wubb333]

its been hurting the views though 😓 double edged sword

[@GeoGoji]

@@Wubb333 yeaaaa

[@NickymaboberGaming]

Im a level 29 in a f5c with a pretty impressive kd for my level at 2.3. We also buy premiums so we can have fun with missles and make it easier to get to the f15s and f16s at the end of the tech tree

[@Wubb333]

W the F-5C is a great plane for fighting, but u would not believe how many new players i see using it to bomb or ground pound....

[@NickymaboberGaming]

@@Wubb333 yeah ive done that before

[@theallmightycantalope]

I "wubb" your channel, keep up the amazing work!

[@Wubb333]

i wubb your positive comment

[@Lievanec_]

Honestly i bought high SU-25K just because i love that plane. That was it

[@Wubb333]

sometimes, thats the only reason u need lol

[@haniel_mintz]

Also recently got a AV-8B at about the same lvl as that guy (lvl 5) for the exact same reason lol. Still trying to adapt to ARB but since im not entirely new (grinded every swedish tank in GRB and started grinding planes and got to A21RB but then i quit WT and couldnt recover my account ever since i got back) i already know some basic stuff