Why do people HATE The Tau?

[@majorkill]

It goes without saying that the main reason is their inferior Big Tiddie Girlfriends... ELDAR 4 LYF To see tiddies of both Eldar and Tau, go here : www.patreon.com/majorkill

[@user-yr5nv2gv7m]

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[@memesofwarhemmer7076]

Tau controversy shit here we goo again

[@Alex-pj8nz]

I dislike the Tau because they took imperial planets, the imperium tends to lose against them unlike Chaos, never officially ally with the imperium against Chaos/bugs like the Eldar and are not funny like the Orks.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

@Ke baX communists at least have commissars like the imperium, Tau are not communist. They are more like Hindu with Japanese robot suits.

[@Boat_guy28]

My question is why does everyone compare tau mechs to Gundams. Like seriously why does everyone look at tau mechs and be like “Hmmm. That looks Boxy = Gundam.”. Like in my opinion they look more like Titanfall mechs than anything.

[@devj6598]

Mans just casually threw in a picture of the tau doing peace talks with the quarians from Mass Effect lmao

[@InquisitorShepard]

Quarians: Sees T'au artificial intelligence. Oh hell naw, to the naw naw naw!

[@puppetmasterey]

@@InquisitorShepard Guillimane Primarch, does this unit have a soul?.

[@Rcdvst808]

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[@AsprinceRemix]

Timestamp please

[@puppetmasterey]

@@AsprinceRemix 2:58

[@hermannlagrange803]

Having a faction who isn't Grim or Dark is actually a boon to the 40k Universe. It helps to contrast how effed up the Galaxy is, by comparing it to a race of 'Normal' people. When you have Tau reacting to the horrors of a very low level daemon showing up, it does help emphasize that this Galaxy is indeed Grim and Dark. In that regard, the Tau kind of act as avatars for modern day Humans.

[@wikipiiimp9420]

I would add that saying that the Tau players are "freedom hating" is kinda incorrect : For an human being, living in the Tau empire is probably the option that give you the most freedom : The imperium is the worst form of political regime that can exist : it's a brutal backward theocracy coupled with extreme facism and corrupt bureaucracy : it's extremely bad on so many levels : it's inefficient, superstitious, value human life very badly, etc. Yes, there is the Eldars, but the Eldars don't care about other species, so if you are an Human, you are not very important to the Eldars, while the Taus will be more than happy to make you participate to the "greater good" And for the other species... can really be free if you are dead (orks, tyrannids, necrons) or tortured (drukharis) Yes the Tau empire IS a dictatorship, that violate a lot of human rights. But being the 40k équivalent of a modern day dictatorship is still way better than being the Imperium, both in living conditions and in personnal freedoms. For example humans (and other species) are given the ability to self manage their planets, pay lower taxes compared to in the imperium, and have some form of religious freedom, they only need to fight alongside the Taus and contribute to the greater good : Much more free compared to the Imperium despite it being a dictatorship.

[@princeofpokemon2934]

​​@@wikipiiimp9420 they're actually is just one part of the Imperium that represents what it should have been. It's actually a good section of the Imperium to live and thrive in. Because it is mostly Untouched by the corruption that plagued the government in the Imperium. The Realm of Ultramarr.

[@oscarandreas1431]

@@princeofpokemon2934 yes but they have been the home of Guilliman, the primarch of beurocracy and getting stuff done

[@callsignburka7446]

Followers of Slaanesh must REALLY dislike these guys. Their way of living would likely kill a dark eldar as well. I'm just guessing.

[@just4joebob]

Even better when you consider them just more "new and naive" to how fucked things can be with the rest of the galaxy.

[@michielvanderzee457]

I never really got why it's so silly for the Tau to think daemons are just weird aliens. They can't be possessed themselves so there's no extra danger there, and otherwise daemons go down to enough rail rounds just like any other creature. So what should be so special about them to the Tau?

[@Nukefandango]

Right. It's sort of the fabius bile approach: these things are spooky looking, but at the end of the day can be understood as part of the greater taxonomy of nature.

[@Doombringer_r]

“If it bleeds, we can kill it.”

[@JustABattlesuitPilot]

We can be possesed, happens to a Pool qater caste guy who tauchen a warp drive Pol'machaor or so was his Name

[@michielvanderzee457]

@@JustABattlesuitPilot Right so it happened... once? And maybe that (non-canon?) Fire Warrior from Fire Warrior who was kind of egged on by Khorne? Anyway doesn't seem like something major to take into account when just shooting the frakkers helps to undo the possession.

[@jsn1252]

Maybe because even objects can be corrupted/ possessed by daemons? The tau aren't blanks; their presence in the warp is just so faint that they're unlikely to attract attention. Lore-wise, there's no reason they'd be immune.

[@yellaturd]

The Tau are what got me into 40k. I've never even been a fan of anything mecha but something about the Tau just pulled me in.

[@Marthe535]

me to first army i ever got i have not tried them yet but i want to

[@vyst8132]

Same lol

[@dunkerbunker2501]

Same

[@threshngo]

Probably that something is an Ethereal

[@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong]

Same, Grimdark would be boring without some kind of hopeful people. Asshats complaining about Tau gameplay? I guess I understand, but people complaining about Tau LORE no fucking clue

[@rickysullivan7584]

I think one thing that GW should expand on what would be the tau auxillary races because when you think about it tau auxillary races would be a gold mine for creativity.

[@rickysullivan7584]

@@cecrops9289 well the humans of the tau empire have subverted the greater good frome a concept into Warp God this made some of the tau angry but has far has I've read they haven't extermintided any of there auxillary races but I might be missing something two.

[@lordhamster9452]

@@cecrops9289 I think that this might have been an isolated incident. Rather than a sanctioned thing done in larger scale. Wouldn’t make much sense considering that Tau have very small forces as it is. But same as you, Tau isn’t my primary force. So I could be wrong.

[@rickysullivan7584]

@@lordhamster9452 yeah I'm pretty sure it was an isolated event

[@aguywithalotofopinions412]

@@cecrops9289 They were but that got retconned too. Basically it was an isolated incident and those Tau were severely punished.

[@ShineyFace1337]

Imagine an auxillary army that focuses on Mont'ka or Kauyon

[@feroexe7965]

"But...they can't even fight in melee" *Ominous sound*

[@jek_si2251]

That sounds like a Knarloc to me...

[@ezequielmorales4221]

E: I'm sorry, but what did you just said? K: The Tau are a cowardly race that only fire upon their enemies from afar, never engaging in any form of melee combat. E: Is this true, Magnus? M: Well...yes. E: That. Is. *ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFULL!*

[@akumaking1]

At least there’s Commander Farsight

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

Ironically the tau can actually be beasts in melee combat too while there's only few of them they have made melee oriented battlesuits that are broken and can shit on dreadnoughts soo yeah the tau can actually melee they just chose not to

[@kingnothing8570]

@@akumaking1 pretty sure hes the only reason the speicies deserves to live plus the whole 40k from the perspective of a new and upcoming race.

[@Atoll-ok1zm]

Funny thing is that tau fight reasonably, kind of like how modern militaries do. Strike from long range, try to stay hidden, avoid engaging at close range as much as possible...essentially be able to hit your enemy without them being able to hit back. Not to mention unlike a lot of the other factions, tau actually somewhat value the lives of their soldiers. Edit: emphasis on somewhat

[@stevenhewes1990]

But modern militaries lack the ability to engage in GLORIOUS MALEE COMBAT like space marines, nids, orks etc.

[@thatguyjayce4467]

@@stevenhewes1990 indeed who wouldn't want to engage in Glorious Melee Combat?

[@MandoMTL]

Like how one Ethereal noble convoy barely blinked when 100s of their Fire Cast warriors were butchered by terrorists?

[@imperiumCirca41]

@@thatguyjayce4467 everyone on the opposite side of a Chainblade or energy Blades or fancy metal meat Slashers

[@jackruby6696]

You mean when that ethereal stayed stoic and in control?

[@blitzburn2871]

Also, a few editions ago Tau earned a reputation for being one of the most obnoxious armies to fight. They were nerfed into the ground later but the damage was done.

[@sirgaz8699]

Still need more nerfing. They might not be doing well at tournaments but casually, how I play, they're still very obnoxious.

[@ShepherdsLoveMetal]

You must be the worst player I have lost 9 games on the trot as tau after they got nerfed. I then had to fork out for forgeworld minis to make them viable again and it’s still a 50/50 win or loss I’m running on armies with standard minis. This is all casual gameplay aswell.

[@blitzburn2871]

@@ShepherdsLoveMetal Not necesarilly, the current consensus is that Tau is underpowered but that doesnt prevent them from being situationally strong given the nature of the game since the playstyle of the Tau will naturall counter other factions. Some people have claimed that Tau is actually doing really well against Dark Eldar which are considered to be much stronger atm. When also you account for army composition and points it is entirely possible that sirgaz is having a really bad time against them because it simply isnt in their budget to buy a army that can adequately counter Tau while retaining the theme they built it with.

[@ironclad6471]

@@blitzburn2871 Naaahh 8th edition Tau fighting in 9th edition was absolutely abysmal, literally worst faction in the game except maybe Imperial Guard. FFS Admech could DOMINATE Tau in the shooting phase while having none of the drawbacks, we had 0 chance in matchups like that, but Admech still don't get bitched at nearly as much as us Tau players.

[@burnbobquist8999]

Maybe it's because i joined Warhammer to a bad time, but playing against Space Marines is what i hate the most, not every chapter but some of them are just so fucking annoying.

[@acephas3]

The T’au are the only race that ACTUALLY fight like they don’t have unkillable and unlimited forces.

[@wikipiiimp9420]

And that actually somewhat care for their people, they try to limit the loss of Taus fire soilders and the other species they allied with (like the Kroot)

[@Xeno7001]

And the T'au are the only race that doesnt have infinite manpower and resources 😂 Except eldars probably

[@Xogroroth666]

This!

[@jamingaunt2189]

@@Xeno7001that’s true but at least they don’t waste resources and actually use it wisely like the lives of their different species aswell

[@ahumbleoperatormcn3548]

@@jamingaunt2189 Tbh, The Imperial Army is functionally unlimited.

[@darthplagueis13]

Frankly, I think T'au naivity really adds to the experience. Like, I remember seeing someone play the T'au campaign in DoW Dark Crusade and they were attacking the Ork stronghold. Good old Shas-O Kais then proceeded to tell Boss Gorgutz that he'd spare him and his boyz if they surrendered without a fight....

[@joe31226]

its worth a try, i guess?

[@iloveplayingpr]

I wish there was more PoV of Tau exploring the universe of warhammer.

[@HubiKoshi]

Genre: Horror

[@michelecastellotti9172]

Wich is why i thought they were far more interesting. The horrors wouldn't have come from them direrly, but by imagining or seeing how they would've reacted to the horrors, we are too used to batshit insanity of 40k to accept a normal faction that rwacts to it WITHIN the universe

[@The-Samuil]

@@michelecastellotti9172 I remember a short story where a Tau water caste stumbled on an abandoned Death watch facility where they were experimenting on Tyranids. By its end she was in full blown purge mood against the Tyranids she was fighting. I want more stuff like that.

[@paulenan9636]

@@michelecastellotti9172 which could then either turn into lovecraftian horror, with the protagonist understanding how little the Tau matter (at the moment) and how horrifying everything is, or actually turn stupidly hopeful, with the Tau somehow overcoming the horrors by applying common sense. ("The cathedral started walking? Slap some big fuckoff guns on the flyer and make it stop")

[@koymakilbahhd5593]

@@The-Samuil may I please have link?

[@littleDainolf]

I think Tau was overshadowed by the cool edgy Necron, both released about the same time. Here in Sweden we got the both codex at the same time. No one picked up the Tau one. Was 20 years ago tho so might remember it wrong.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

I actually prefer Necrons, because their lords are like humans. Backstabbing each other and full of Ego. Tau has nothing relatable with railguns.

[@maxydal3512]

@@Alex-pj8nz You do know Railguns are actually a thing, right?

[@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ1248]

@@Alex-pj8nz the u.s has railguns you know, they're loud as fk

[@Alex-pj8nz]

@@maxydal3512 Railguns do kill special characters easily.

[@mattislindehag3065]

@@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ1248 Having rail guns is not relateable for a Swede. Yet.

[@DeadGothicRed]

I mean there is a short story of a Mortifactor Scout basically losing his whole squad to one Tau Sniper and after the Guard completely artillery Striked and burned the country side. The scout ended up hunting him down and wearing his skull as a trophy. Taker of heads I think it's called. The tau aren't "bad" like I do enjoy their mecha Gundam and Farsight Enclave is pretty awesome but that's about it. Just different tastes for different fans.

[@koymakilbahhd5593]

Can I have link?

[@DeadGothicRed]

@@koymakilbahhd5593 "Taker of Heads" by Ian St. Martin on audible.

[@koymakilbahhd5593]

@@DeadGothicRed thx a lot

[@josephahner3031]

Farsight is legit.

[@ScullyBoy]

Sounds a lot like White Death inspired. Nice

[@BenYork-UBY]

Honestly I really liked the idea of original tau being the only "normal" beings in an otherwise insane world. They're like normal sane human beings suddenly injected into the warhammer universe and left to boggle over how insane everything is and go wtf at everything. Lots of good writing opportunities to explore this trope from the aliens perspective I also love the role swap, where instead of human space exporers coming across ancient aliens ruins and civilisations and coming under attack by an ancient and technologically superior invader, it's the other way around: aliens discovering ancient humans and marveling at our ancient and yet seemingly magical technology, and then its their planet getting invaded by humans from outer space instead of vice versa

[@LoneWolf20213]

yeah, the tau being legitimately good and peaceful who don't screw you over or have ulterior motives would have really been great to have

[@TheRewasder97]

The tau cast system also draws from the greek elements, thus the names. For the ancient greeks, the universe was made of the main 4 elements, Fire, Earth, Water, Air, and all 4 of them stayed together thanks to a fifth element, the Ether. What I'm getting at is that the tau cast chart is not a piramid, but rather 4 circles inside a bigger circle.

[@Bigred073]

Makes me think of General Iroh's bending philosophy from AtLA...

[@here1359]

I mean I really like the idea of an overconfident young race that's in waaaaayyyyyyy over their heads but has a suprising amount of growth and of course actual fuckin mechs

[@Smarackto]

yeah im also a big fan of big range coupled with dive mechas. also tau waifus also i like the design

[@ricodesouza-swanick6553]

who doesn't like technologically advanced weaponized wheelchairs though

[@here1359]

@@Smarackto If only the mechanicus learned of wheelchair technology. They could make the golden thron mobile.

[@Smarackto]

@@here1359 i think being immobile is the best trait ... this way he cant get fucked up by random shit

[@here1359]

@@Smarackto but imagine the shenanigans of a giant psychic stephen hawkin

[@eligostheexalted]

2:58 The Tau got so good at developing tech that they figured out how to cross franchises.

[@puppetmasterey]

That's how the Geth survived the destroy ending.

[@NeoDragonCount]

As a Finnish person, meaning I gotta play to our stereotypes: The Tau being pretty much sniper specialists has its charms. And to a society that is so new to the Galaxy, meaning they did not know that Orks swing around deyr choppas and Space Marines rush into battle with chain and power swords: To them the notion of fighting in melee from a more closed-off perspective makes sense: We in the real world stopped using swords as primary weapons when we learned to craft guns that could fire more than one bullet at a time before needing to (strenuously) reload. Because a gun is just easier to learn and doesn't need prolonged extensive training to use effectively to a standard footsoldier. Really the only melee weapons actively being used anymore in modern militaries are bayonets, and possibly knives, machetes and such on some rare occasions. After all the whole point of Warhammer 40K is that humanity has pretty much regressed and become more savage all things considered. To a civilization embracing advancement, regressing to what is arguably a more inefficient and more difficult mode of combat would be considered outdated and illogical.

[@Psychosofi]

Can't go to minutes without Finns saying out loud their nationality. Are Finns the Vegans of the Nationalities? Vittu saatana

[@Jawzah]

HAkkaa päälle!!! Melee combat works in WH40k because of Dune and Rule of Cool.. The logic of melee in scifi is that'st there's some kind of armor - perhaps an energy shield (dune) or sword that can parry blasters (star wars) - that counters projectile weapons well and melee somehow get's past that better. Tau do have a warrior caste and I suppose they train to fight their whole life so I don't think it would be too difficult for them to learn to use swords effectively. They could develop bullsithium vibroblade lakota katanas or something - eventually.

[@St4ticScratch]

Man I hate when people compare wh40k to modern military shit. By the way, Astra Militarum exists. The rank and file human soldiers of the imperium use guns and artillery. Super human space marines clad in ceramite power armor use swords that can penetrate tank armor and boltguns that fire massive explosive shells. So what's your point? That you're a Finnish xeno lover? Lol

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@St4ticScratch wtf do you mean massive the heavy bolter sure but a regular bolter fires a round the size of a shotgun shell

[@Psychosofi]

@@St4ticScratch ey, easy there.. its just a boardgame for nerds

[@charliefingerhut8935]

It’s really good that the Tau aren’t that grim dark in comparison to the setting. Such contrast emphasizes the brutality of 40k

[@Seq-ei2pw]

tau can be grim theyre a literal new race. give them another millennia maybe 20 and they catch up to the golden age tech of man or eldar...

[@raptorxrise5386]

@@Seq-ei2pw No that would be dumb. The tau are grim dark in the same way that the lamenters are. Bad stuff happens to good people

[@TeensierPython]

Then you might as well add a bunch more contrasting elements. My little pony and the cheery happy gnomes or something.

[@ravenwhiteduck6460]

That's another old line I keep hearing, always by contrast of others but not on their own, tells you something

[@willm.275]

Seeing a Hammerhead tank on the table at some random shop in the early 2000's is what got me into Warhammer. People getting assmad about big guns beating out pointy sticks has rekindled the flame.

[@PunishedVenomDrake]

Ngl that sounds so fucking backwards for a 40K fan. Big guns is literally the appeal of the Space Marines. Hell, it's why I love being an Imperial Guard fan. HAHA BASILISK go *B O O M*

[@raptorxrise5386]

@@PunishedVenomDrake im convinced all of the "why dont tau melee" people are just mad at getting shot of the board turn 1

[@dmgroberts5471]

@@raptorxrise5386 Then they should reassess their tactics, 'cause that's clearly the problem. Tau aren't unbeatable or anything, so don't blame the enemy if you don't know how to fight them. The first time I played a Tau player he was pretty confident, he rolled to set up first, he set up all his guns...then I told him my whole army was in reserve (SM could do that back then) and half of them would be arriving via Drop Pod in the 1st turn, no dangerous terrain tests. We fought a tense and very enjoyable battle that swung back-and-forth until I ultimately won. We both had a good time, and we both learned from mistakes.

[@ravenwhiteduck6460]

​@@dmgroberts5471 very lucky

[@dmgroberts5471]

@@ravenwhiteduck6460 If you mean finding an opponent that wasn't a colossal, tantrum-throwing manchild, then yes, lucky. If you mean winning the battle, a large part of that was deep striking a Dreadnought with a Multi-melta behind the rear armour of his Hammerhead and turning it into slag. It wasn't a one-sided victory, sure, but I definitely made sound tactical decisions.

[@doctorcorvus1319]

The T’au and Farsight Enclave are possibly my favorite empires to play in 40k, it actually quite nice to have both a morally grey and good factions then just the dark ones. It’s to bad that GW really like to suck off humanity only and not give any love to the other factions… I mean, they did try with the Eldar but screwed them over in the end because it wasn’t “making good sales* Also what’s wrong with fighting from a distance? If you see a eight to nine foot tall armored behemoth with a chain sword screaming at the top of their lungs from a mile away then your going to want to snipe them. It’s not dishonorable, it’s smart…

[@koymakilbahhd5593]

They do not participate in *GLORIOUS* melee combat , they deserve to be purged. They have mechs to carry BIGGGER guns and NOT bigger melee weapons to make up for what they lack the most. Dishonorable smh (its a joke as you may see sorry if it looks mean)

[@deezboyeed6764]

Unfortunately a fan base like this tends to attract those who are edge, who bitch and whine when every character isnt morally reprehensable.

[@hijackdallas6052]

I´ve just got my first set of Tau and i want to go with 2 Sept´s and one of them is Farsight. I want to rush into enemy lines and blast them with the breacher and crisis suits into bits. Tau should be feared in both, close and far range combat. That´s why i think, the 2nd Sept would be a defensiv and Obsec one to clear the points. Farsight for close range, the other one for Obsec. That... sound´s very agressiv.

[@marcusaustralius2416]

They snipe from range like cowards I'll send in my acolyte hybrids and steal their lunch money for the revolution

[@singularleaf3895]

@@hijackdallas6052 if you want to get close just get kroot, they are so under rated. They are basically less wacky orks with better die rolls, and sadly, less randomness.

[@jek_si2251]

Honestly, it would have been better if Tau lore went in the direction of "good but naive and often get rekt for it" rather then the shady Ethereals crap we got. It goes against what Tau fans want and does little to address the complaints of other fans.

[@harley4683]

Yes thank you! I fucking hate the "evil" tau stuff.

[@jossypoo]

I feel like the same feeling could be handled without naïveté, but with discussing propaganda. For some reason they're discussing mind control, but i always hear 'greater good' as 'if you're not with us, you're against us', and the groupthink that comes with that. The duality of a caste system that accepts any allies.

[@BrandonL337]

I mostly agree, but it did give us the farsighted enclaves, which I really like the idea of. Corrupt leadership send their charismatic, free- thinking commander on a mission to leave him to die, only for said commander to dig in and make his own, well, enclaves without them.

[@jek_si2251]

@@BrandonL337 Yeah, and with that plus Aun'shi comes the chance for a kind of Tau revolution - the Ethereals go from absolute rulers to advisors/wise elders and the Empire has a renaissance of free thought and enthusiasm (only to get hit by another Hive Fleet or sth to keep the grimdarkness up).

[@requiemlul3140]

I do like evil Tau stuff, I just wish it was different. Like someone else here said, groupthink. Make them very subtly fascist and have officials secretly keep tabs on everyone and spy on the people or something like that.

[@JIMT412]

Even if the Tau were the morally good guys of 40k, I'm still an Imperium of Mankind fan, mostly because I started this setting with the Horus Heresy books and really like anything the Imperium can offer (except the Grimderp moments), of course having a good guys in the setting is refreshing and can have interesting contrasts with the Galaxy of the Grim Future.

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

i like that the tau are pretty much doomed from the start. full of potential but born into a cruel universe and will eventualy become just as cruel. the enclave is litteraly the only good faction but what chance do they have to survive or accomplish anything? also spicy demon sword might go brrr one day

[@crowe6961]

The Tau aren't even morally good, they have a strict caste system that's low-key mind controlled by the Ethereals, and are known for treating other species as second-class citizens and cannon fodder.

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

@@crowe6961 my brother in christ, a faction that avoids conflict for the sake of peace in the 40k setting is an actual embodiment of good. If you want true goodness you look for the enclave.

[@crowe6961]

@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 Morally, the Tau as a whole are comparable to Space China at best, and the Farsight Enclave, while free of Ethereal mind control, is even more strategically irrelevant than the Tau Empire proper. Also, a bunch of my comments criticizing the Tau keep getting randomly censored, which just makes me dislike them more, including my previous one which only shows up if I'm logged in.

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

@@crowe6961 so what lmao

[@tauempire1793]

Yeah...I've been told oh so many times that the "Tau aren't Grimdark enough". As the saying goes from a friend "being a Tau fan is like being interracial couple in the 60s"

[@kindperson7047]

Typical Tau player; Comparing being mocked for the toys you play with to racist discrimination.

[@tauempire1793]

​@@kindperson7047 yes, indeed as jokes do not exist I guess

[@mohammedabdul4832]

​@@kindperson7047did someone rape you?

[@dowkinners4106]

@kindperson7047 Typical Tau hater. Dog whistle Asian hating racist

[@derekdrake8706]

"In the grim darkness of the far future, there can be no good guys." Personally, I think that's bullshit. The Tau being the altruistic but naive newcomers gave the setting a much needed contrast to flush out the lore. Grim looks even more grim from the greener grass, know what I mean? But, I don't hate the direction the writers took the Tau either, it makes sense they'd be into some seriously underhanded shit. And there's always the Farsight Enclaves for your decent dudes faction, more or less. Besides, it also means Shadowsun is single now and I don't have to feel guilty about fapping to her.

[@BirdmansDen]

Its not fucking canon- some custodian that goes by the name relatable to cats

[@AnvilMAn603]

considering what they do when they take over an imperial planet, id hardly call them good guys

[@huykhuc291]

@@AnvilMAn603 you mean the Tau sterilize an entire human planet? Nah, that information only comes from the game Dawn of war. And the game is not cannon.

[@drivernephisson7034]

Reminder that the Tau still have a rigid caste system that ensures you are born and die with a single job 'they're just as anal about Fire Caste members messing with technology as the Adeptus Mechanicus is about outsiders" and that their race will always be the one in control. Individual human worlds might have comfier lives under the Tau than under the Imperium, but they will forever be second class citizens, and the Tau will dispose of them as soon as ruling them becomes inconvenient "just look at the Fourth Sphere of Expansion" If the Imperium wins, humanity has the opportunity to live a Golden age under Guilliman, and recover what was lost. While under the Tau, humanity's only fate is being comfortable slaves forever, if we're not exterminated for being gateways to the warp anyway.

[@benjaminparent4115]

And I think your answer is bullshit. that contrast already existed. They are plenty of good guys in the warhammer universe, a great example is the lamenters or even the salamander to some extent, the subtility was that there was not straight up good guys faction at best you have a faction with good guys and bad guys. The massive differences between them and the T'au is that they struggle to stay good, they constantly have avoid falling to chaos, even physical fight against non chaos threat are still mental fight against chaos corruption, while the T'au are effortlessly good. They also break the whole end times feel of the universe by being the only relatively good faction that is expanding.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

I always see the Tau like a wholesome Asian tourist who doesn't know what the hells going on but they're just happy to be there

[@MeanGuy969]

I love the Tau. They are like the actual Xeno races we think of in WH40k setting which is full of high fantasy races. I just wish their lore gets expanded upon, maybe a human subfaction within them that the ethereal mind controls and uses as pawns. That would make Tau look quite evil.

[@tristanellis-mascoll1171]

Maybe read about commander Coldstar and the 4th expansion. Those are true evil Tau.

[@chrismath149]

That story about mindcontrol is complete nonsense, isn't it? It has only ever been used by members of the Imperium, and Commander Farsight could interact with an Ethereal after the schism without becoming a slave. Also, simple answers are usually the correct ones. The best time to split of and go awol is when there is no one around to hold you responsible. Like when your superior officer dies. I have not read the material about farsight going AWOL but it is a likely explanation as it happens in real-life. Also, Tau do not have warp-powers so they should not be able to influence humans like they are supposed to. Maybe other Tau but not other species.

[@Boat_guy28]

I’d like to see more out of the farsight enclave as well. Out of all the factions even the Tau empire they’d seam the best to join the imperium or whatnot. Even then the Farsight enclave on their own are interesting as is. Something new is always appreciated

[@michelecastellotti9172]

@@chrismath149 yeah, that last part always buggled me

[@tristanellis-mascoll1171]

@@chrismath149 Well Mindcontrol is in 40k indeed a warppower, so no chance for the etherials to access that. But mind suggestion (like they did with Farsight and Shadowsun, and how they told her that he went nuts) is something very common to use without warp power. However, without the etherials, there would be no greater good nor the tau empire.

[@gallopingoctopus1364]

Also I am a Tau/Ork player, and I can say with confidence that spacemarine neck beards are the worst humans in the hobby, and because GW caters to them so often, they feel justified in their shallow mindsets.

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

Preach it brother!!! Space Marine neckbeards suck

[@gallopingoctopus1364]

@@PelinalDidNothingWrong The Ethearals will not find me wanting!

[@revanamell1791]

Orks and Tau is honestly such a perfect contrast. Spacefaring good guys meet unstoppable hordes of war fetishists. You tell me that isn't grimdark. Going into the galaxy hoping to meet new races and expand understanding and you instead find fucking Orks.

[@gallopingoctopus1364]

@@revanamell1791 I agree, I like the contrast, but I also just like both factions in general. Some days I wake up feeling like more of an Ork than a Tau. Some days I want to destroy the world just to say I was the one who did it, and some days I want to help everyone understand my philosophies, so we can live in harmony.

[@gallopingoctopus1364]

@@OpulentConnoisseur That is all for The Greater Good.

[@NicholasBrakespear]

The main problem is tonal - the basic framing for the franchise (contrary to GW's later and seemingly endless retconned/expanded lore) was that all the major events had happened 10,000 years ago, and the galaxy was now in a state of stagnant decay, with the Imperium in a holding pattern, desperately surviving, but perhaps ultimately doomed on a galactic timescale. Literally the heart of the franchise... was a feeling of the weight of history. The present didn't really exist in the setting; the present was just a battlefield. This was point of the words "In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only war" - people fixated upon the "grimdark" bit, and forgot the meaning of "there is only war". There is only war - means there is only now, and before. There is no future. There is no resolution. There is no end in sight. There is only the battle today, and the battle yesterday. And then along come the Tau, and suddenly... uh... new species, new technology, new technological style, new attitudes, and a race whose lore does not revolve around the sheer weight of history anchoring them down. Tonally, they were totally at odds with the setting, not because they weren't grimdark, but because they weren't OLD. Of course, GW in its ongoing failure to understand its own franchise doubled down on this mistake, and so now we've gone from "The Space Marines sometimes march into battle using armour and weapons a thousand years old, because there's nothing new" to "Here's a brand new lab-grown Space Marine! And he has a Space Marine suit that he can wear on top of his Space Marine suit so he can Space Marine while he Space Marines!"

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

The only major event that happened 10,000 years ago was the horus heresy. Furthermore, the Tau aren't the only "new" faction. 'Nids are new, Orks aren't shackled by history. The "basic framing for the franchise" really only applies to the imperium of man, not the franchise.

[@ravenwhiteduck6460]

After running into some condescending tau fans, never playing against tau

[@justacrusaderguy3320]

@@ravenwhiteduck6460 After running into some condescending SM fans, never playing against SM's.

[@TheGreatMoonFrog]

As far as I'm concerned there are 2 upstanding moral races in 40k. The Tau, who believe in the greater good for all, and the Orks, who believe in everyone havin' a good time krumpin'.

[@Smarackto]

i love the tau. having a "good guy"( yes im gonna call them good they are factually the nicest of all factions) with hopes and dreams and technology but being so small that they cant influence large scale events (YET) is a type of existencial horror. i blame fans for not getting that mindset.

[@Generalized615]

This is exactly it, the Tau are essentially a star trek like federation that was wide eyed and brimming with hope of exploring and uniting the galaxy- then they are met with literal demons, horrifying space creatures, and THE IMPERIUM. Fighting on the back foot from there on out. They have their back against the wall 24/7. I don't mind the mind control stuff, because it has a meta irony to it- in that theres so many "mind control" villains in everything, the 40k universe is so evil a bunch of dudes mind controlling people for peace sounds kinda nice actually

[@milkshakebarrage9581]

Because they are so young, the fans understand the simple mindset that the Tau will become like the other factions as they grow older, and are therefore no existential horror. In fact, the current Tau are already morally and ethically worse than in their recent past, so their fall and corruption has already started once they left the isolation of the storms and entered reality.

[@Smarackto]

@@milkshakebarrage9581 dont cut yourself on that edge

[@milkshakebarrage9581]

@@Smarackto Don't worry, I use the proper protection when dissecting Tau.

[@Smarackto]

@@milkshakebarrage9581 yeah your imagination

[@rambosquirrel6943]

Back in the original lore from the Xenology book it was heavily implied the Tau as they became were the Eldar playing old ones. They basically realised they cant fight chaos themselves so found a race with the right genetics (high genetic adaptability as they were already dimorphic into castes and near zero psychic presence). They created a new caste (the ethereals) with a genetic gem thing from a "wasp" like race which allowed them to guide the race like a queen bee. They then covered the planet in warp storms to prevent interference from other races. So basically Tau are the Eldars attempt at defeating all the issues of the galaxy as chaos cant corrupt them and they adapt as quickly as Tyranids plus benefit that they would work with the eldar in the galaxy not try to destroy them.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

I just presumed it was Old Ones fuckery. Some poor SOB survivors having one last roll of the dice going "Well immortal, powerful psyker races blew up in our faces, what it we went the opposite way? Got nothing to lose at this point." I always thought that Farsight's story had a suspicious feel about it as well. His sword could plausibly be a relic. Though the Dawn Blade would fit an Eldar weapon as well as your theory goes.

[@rambosquirrel6943]

@@RJALEXANDER777 it’s the eldar that took it from the wasp race in the book

[@rambosquirrel6943]

@@attemptedunkindness3632 I don’t know I quite like the idea of a group of eldar running round thinking they are the new old ones in a similar way to Eldrad trying a different plan trying to wake Ynnead. I mean that’s why the eldar even exist as a ancient dying race realised it didn’t have the numbers to control the galaxy so created a “lesser” race to help them

[@richardswreckshop6035]

afraid it is not cannon/no longer cannon. not sure I like it as the eldar have never even attempted to be friends with the tau (although it would be great for both of them, tua gaining access to the web way and psychers, eldar getting good guns, better armor and a place to park their craftworlds while they rebuilt their population). if they were an eldar creation why didnt they bother just being their gods rather than making etherials (which currently in the law suck) why didnt they help them develop technologically so they wouldn't have to wait 6000 years for them to be viable allies/troops? and its clear they didnt help as tau tech is way better. personally I think they have written themselves into a corner with the etherials, they have to be magic or connected to something grander for them to have just shown up and unite the tau (I hate etherial lore btw, why couldnt they just have been normal tau with a vision?) my head cannon (from that one drawing of neckrons when they were flesh) is that the tau are descended from the original neckrons, avoided the ctan incident and de then re evolved as the planet they were on became more livable. explorers known as the etherials found ancient neckron teck from pre ctan influence and realized there was more out there (as being in warpstorms they wouldn't have astronomy) I dont like the mind control stuff (even though im pretty sure neckrons do have mind control stuff) but i can just imagin the etherials turning up to diplomasize and get the other tau on board and be like look at this crazy techo stuff we got, its a good idea to listen to us as we aint alone in the universe. the tau wouldn't recognise themselves as being from neckron lineage as there arnt really any references to fleshy neckrons and tau have evolved so differently from a common ancesstor they would be unrecognizable, thats my head cannon and i'd be fine with GW going with it as it is better than oh the old ones did it or tau are an eldar creation even though they dont interact with the tau at all. but it is a suitable explanation of the tau etherial nonsense and doesnt actually change anything as tau and neckrons still gonna fight and it may explain why the eldar are so stubborn about teaming up with the tau.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@attemptedunkindness3632 you can't devolve an artificial race theirs nothing to go back to the orks probably just evolved into much weaker beings because the galaxy was getting weaker

[@jodypschaeffer]

I also loved the Tau specifically because they were the one faction trying to be reasonable in a highly unreasonable galaxy. They highlighted just how bad the Imperium had become, and perhaps offered a glimpse into what humanity might have resembled back during the golden age.

[@noahcurtis250]

for an all gun army, all the 8th edition codex units (including the heavy walkers) had a 4 up to hit, which made it rather difficult to hit anything

[@themanoffate]

"When they kilt their first space marine they thought they kilt the emperor" Oh dear

[@lordhamster9452]

since my first expirience with the TAU in DOW1, i liked the quite a lot. but one thing i got to rant about is the lack of other aliens in their current lineup. the TAU empire is supposed to consist of many diferent species working together with the blue TAU for the greater good. and in DOW, it was nicely represented with each auxiliary filling in a specific and important role. sadly in the current 40k, the emphasis is more on big railguns and new fancier mechs. leaving the bugs and the birbs almost forgotten. (The NOT squats and mind edgelords from BFG don't even have proper art works) this in turn is helping fuel the Tau can't melee meme/grudge.

[@jplum3891]

Video: I don't play tabletop Also video: Y dO pEoPLE nOt LIKe TaU Play the game and find out.

[@Mankorra_Gomorrah]

As someone who doesn’t play tabletop, I love the tau. I think that their style of benevolent imperialism is not only the most believable out of all the different factions but actually allows the plot to progress whereas the other factions are all attempting to maintain the status quo but with ever so slightly more in their favor. If you look up the East Asian Co-Prosperity sphere you can get the gist of what I believe the Tau are supposed to be going for. However, i don’t think it was made as clear as it could have been and also it is such a random thing to throw into 40K that people didn’t get it and games workshop caved and said “uh ya so they’re just a shitty hive mind but blue, there are you happy now? Is that evil and dark enough for you fuckers?” And the fans rejoiced that they had managed to force games workshop into shitty writing and tropes over interesting empire development.

[@creamedgravy]

I think bringing up the East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere isn't the best way to come across, considering that its intention was to place japanese supremacy over other asians and not an effort to uplift everyone in the region to work together under an imperial rule.

[@Mankorra_Gomorrah]

@@creamedgravy no, that exactly the point. I don’t think the original intention was for the tau to come across as “Star Trek in Warhammer” they are supposed to be suprematists believing that only through their benevolent rule can the greater good be achieved. They don’t have any Ill will against the other alien species, except maybe the orks, but those species just don’t have what it takes to bring the galaxy along the path of the greater good and therefore must be shepherded towards it. I believe that the tau are supposed to be helping their allies not out of altruism but out of a sort of “blue mans burden” This was horribly executed and instead the nuance came across less as a suprematist society ruling over a large swath of foreigners who have few rights and almost no political power it came across as “United Federation of Xenos” and instead of trying to fix their portrayal of the tau, if they even consciously understood the parallels they were drawing, GW decided to just slap “brainwashing” onto the tau lore like the CIA does with classified documents to get all the sweaty neckbeards to stop yelling at them. Now the tau lore is pretty confused and feels fairly generic and cheap rather then being the Anti-imperium where everyone is openly nice to aliens but doesn’t oppress them any less.

[@efffvss]

I think you may have missed the point as to why comparing the Tau to the East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere isn't a good analogy. The 'Co-Prosperity Sphere' was a lie, the Japanese were building a racist, extractive Empire that did shit at least as bad (arguably much worse at times) than the European Empires. There was no 'Japanese Man's Burden' sentiment at play. Everyone else was lesser and only existed to serve the greater need of Emperor and the Japanese homeland. Also, while I agree that 'blue man's burden' would have been a very interesting angle for GW to take with the Tau, I disagree that this was the plan. Initial Tau fluff had absolutely no nuance or indication that the 'Star Trek' vibe was anything other than 100% sincere. Which given the point in time (early 2000s) was when the GW studio still had some of its best and brightest on staff, I don't think they executed their idea badly, it was just a bad idea that didn't mesh well with the wider 40k setting. Hence the initial dislike, which was cultivated over time for some (speaking personally plus most of my 40k playing friends) by the way that the Tau never seemed to have anything in the fluff go badly for them (unlike pretty much every other faction).

[@Mankorra_Gomorrah]

@@efffvss no, again, thats the point, it’s a lie in 40k as well. The kroot, vespids and other tau allies have no power and are used basically as tactical cannon fodder for the fire caste. Their cultures have been completely reworked to serve the tau and the human worlds aren’t much different. The allied races aren’t there for fun, they are tolerated so far as they can further the tau quest for expansion. They’ve outright forbidden the orks from ever becoming a part of their empire because the orks can’t serve their goals so they’re just straight up genocided and human worlds that refuse to cooperate are pretty brutally suppressed. The tau don’t have any particular love for aliens, they’re just smart enough to realize that giving people conformable beds and smart fridges leads to less rebellions and if they do rebel? Well we just kill them all because they weren’t that important anyway. Yes, in the actual co-prosperity sphere the states were theoretically separate with their own national governments that were responsible for development, hence the Japanese not needing to justify the expense of building railways in China or ports in Vietnam and also no need to ask why the locals deserved such help. But as the video we came to watch explains, the tau are not a 1:1 exchange with the real world, they are a composite of various Asian cultures and histories blended together into a single cohesive whole. Things are inspired by real world events and cultures but not directly copied because that would be an even worse rendition than what we actually got since we know what’s going to happen next. The tau have a ruling caste and not a god emperor, the tau use pew pew plasma guns where the Japanese used their planes as weapons, the tau are trash at melee whereas the Japanese loved bayonet charges, the tau take place in 41st millennia where WW2 happened in the mid 1900s There are innumerable differences but that’s fiction, if GW just copied a college history textbook and changed the cover to a jacked guy with power armor it might be more accurate to the source material but it wouldn’t be 40k.

[@charlesc.9012]

The Tau will definitely change to be more like the rest over time, because there is a reason everyone who survives the galaxy ends up like that. It would be interesting to see them encounter betrayal and malevolence on a scale they could not even imagine, and reacting to it without noblebright plot armour interfering. And yes, I think it is faithful to the source material you proposed. The species of the faction are not equal, and not even the tau themselves have freedom and equality of anything, just that they have fancy toasters or rice cookers. They actually have even worse foundation than humanity, so I think they would eventually turn out to be the most violent. Just give them a few thousand years, and we can realise that young factions have hope and potential, but few are actually benevolent in nature.

[@doublestarships646]

The Tau are very interesting. I think the hate stems from the same cult like behavior of hating the Ultramarines. I love reading the Farsight novels and probably my favorite reads so far in the Warhammer 40k universe. Sometimes it's depressing reading about crazy religious people and I much rather read about strange aliens tripping out over what kind of aliens daemons are lol.

[@Mondy667]

Most memes are outdated but like the Imperium, the fan base is stagnant when it comes to mwmws

[@triton8583]

I don't hate them because it's a meme I hate them because they fuck up my favourite strategy we are not the same

[@adrienwatson2179]

Not really the reason why I dislike them. I typically dislike Tau FANS of the lore. Who say things like "The Imperium better watch out" etc. Tau have some cool characters and Lore, but typically their fans are annoying.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

They are as annoying as the ultramarines during the time of Matt Ward.

[@thechazz3230]

@@adrienwatson2179 That and their fans handwaving their Mary Sueism and asspulls which was annoyingly prevalent in older lore. Like even hardcore Smurf fans back in the day didn't like all of "His Spiritual Liege's" constant wanking. But unless they're people who are down with Farsight's Band of Bros, they will defend wankery comparable to some of the worst of the Wardian era.

[@RubyGalaxyYT]

My fav army I collected was Tau, I just love the designs of the units, from the unique robot style lenses, to the whole variety of battlesuits and it all being high tech. Was really disapointed by the reveal of their governement being corrupt and later angered that it was a desicision to placete angry boomers. You'll never placate a sweaty neckbeard, they will always find something to complain about and seeking their approvial will damage your brand and or setting. I also agree on the whole naive and optimistic as they can serve as both a stright man and reaction board to the crazyness of the setting, a 'close' analoge of a normal person. I didn't even consider them taking down a dreadnought and they discover that it was older than thier empire, that's was a mind blow there and that is a scene for some great story telling and character development. Now while I love the battlesuits, I can't help but sigh as the rest of the army is left in the dust, the Kroot and Vespid not getting any love, no new stories or lore, or any model updates or additions. No new races added to the empire, that was created to be a collectivist with multiple races. Technicly the Imperium model line up has more stuff for the abhumans from Ogryns, Rattlings and Squats. Something just doesn't seem right here you know?

[@DracoTheBlack]

Tau hate was far more mild, memey, and light hearted back before Taudar cheese left everyone assblasted. The salt from that still lingers to this day.

[@demodave6054]

Personally the tau are my second favorite faction next to the alpha legion. I really like they're true scifi aesthetic and the fact that they have some common sense by not charging the enemy with a sword. It gives them a nice bit of uniqueness compared to the other factions. But you know blue people bad. Hydra dominatus

[@-jax-3631]

We have the same favorites bro. Love the alpha legion, love the tau. Hydra Dominatus

[@Daarkreth]

Man, my two armies are tau and alpha legion too! 🐍🐍🐍

[@demodave6054]

@@-jax-3631 that's awesome it's too bad though that our factions are arguably the most underappreciated.

[@brandonvallier4214]

Ya I've always liked the Tau probably because the old fire warrior game was my first glimpse into 40k and the books I've read have hands down made the alpha legion the most interesting space marine faction. Hydra Dominatus

[@capitalistball2924]

@@demodave6054 I always thought the Alpha Legion looked badass

[@OST1350]

I don't hate Tau. I would say that they are one of my favourite factions in 40K.

[@alexanderbruwer9363]

Having a "morally good" and optimistic race in 40K is great because it provides grounding for just how messed up things are

[@irpwellyn]

What makes them fit need only be naivety to how bad things really are

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

You can do that without having communist undertones...

[@alexanderbruwer9363]

@@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 if they weren't communists (fascists in practice, go figure) they'd be "too good" and would stand out waaay too hard

[@irrelevant1242]

Also kind of grimdark that the tau are the only hope the galaxy has but there so small that being conquered is inevitable

[@sharkenjoyer]

@@irpwellyn I mean it would take the entire point away if you made them into literal nazis too but only kept their naiviety

[@n0rdlys_40]

I honestly think that T'au's views of Daemons just make them more intimidating than the Daemons themselves. Imagine being a Daemon and being operated on by T'au scientists. It doesn't matter how far you've come, or how vile you are. You are simply just another specimen that can be examined and dissected to them.

[@Nyghtking]

I like them, they're like the least grimdark thing in the setting, and I enjoy that since constant endless grimdark gets tiring after a while, the setting gets to the point where you can go "What will happen next? probably something horrible if not the most horrible thing I can imagine."

[@snip105]

I don’t hate the Tau. I just want to purge them with blade and bolter

[@kingnaga619]

Fucking love the Tau. Gives GW and 40k some creative freedom without being tied to a conventional fantasy race. PS: love the Quarian Tau pic

[@DtWolfwood]

I wanted a shooting army, so I started with imperial guard. Then they came out with tau... I've been their fan ever since. I mean to have a shooting range 50% greater than any other race is incredible. Also love the fact they have kroot which to me was nice melee cannon fodder to allow me to keep shooting

[@revanamell1791]

Get some defector Guardsmen for extra padding and all is good in the world.

[@marduke45]

i am kroot

[@Zyllo5164]

Rail guns can't target Guilliman out of the blue unless he's the closest enemy model since he only has 9 wounds but they are extremely hazardous to vehicle and monster units.

[@jalakor]

Even with the True Good “nerf”, the Farsight Enclaves still evade the nerf by having no Ethereals and the caste system being much looser.

[@Doombringer_r]

I’ll forever despise the people that bitched and moaned about the T’au when they were first introduced which caused GW to retcon them into the generic 1984 bad guys we have today. I find the naive but overall good hearted T’au to be infinitely more interesting in this setting than more generic villains for named Space Marines to kill to look badass. Space Marine players are genuinely deranged.

[@shinygoldcoin4661]

It's not about being a Space Marine fan, it's about being a bitchy neckbeard Space Marine fen

[@targitausrithux2320]

40k is SUPPOSED to be grim dark with some pieces of hope scattered all about, the tau being “good guys” completely shits on that whole theme and frankly they don’t belong in warhammer if they were kept that way, it would just as out of place as putting an anime protagonist of modern day media and putting him in a horror story, it just doesn’t workout most of the time, you end up getting two very different themes clashing and contradicting eachother which dulls the over all themes of both sides

[@EvilGNU]

Doombringer i wholeheartedly agree. I also am sad that a whole lot of the irony and dark humor the setting brings with it was lost to a large part of the playerbase. As much as I like the Grimdark vibe, I sometimes feel there are so many Edgelords in the Community that they became the part of the Fanbase GW caters to.

[@Cirac1]

@@targitausrithux2320 i would disagree with you there. To have grimdark, you need to have something to contrast it in setting otherwise you just get 1-upmanship of edgy grim derp. The only people who didn't like the Tau being a benevolent naive race were the imperium players a little too invested in the fascist themes - and that was because the contrast made them feel like they werent the super special good guys they liked to think.

[@blacklistedpirate4169]

@@Cirac1 1-upmanship is the entirety of warhammer's conflicts wtf are you even talking about

[@luckyno.9371]

From what I've seen of Math-hammer channels, the railgun needs to be as strong as it is in the new update to be viable, as a single shot weapon all you have to do is wiff the hit and or wound roll and that big gun is wasted for the turn (also you get plenty of units and stratagems that make it so units can't be wounded on 2-3+s that's a 33-50% chance of them failing the wound, assuming they hit)

[@Aredel]

That’s a damned difficult shot to fail. With marker lights you’re hitting and wounding on 3s and 2s for everything except a Warlord Titan, and they’re so cheap that you can bring 2-3 of them.

[@luckyno.9371]

@@Aredel that's fair, with markerlights tau are pretty capable shots

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

@@luckyno.9371 LOL Agreed, each of my Fire Squads rolled with 2 Marker Drones but when the markers whiffed...

[@Erebdai]

I remember when the tau came out and they changed 3rd edition. In 2003 i stopped playing 40k and shipped off to basic training. I then returned back to 40k in 2012. 6th edition rolled in and was shooty themed. The Tau were not fun to play against. Then 7th edition came out and Tau-Dar (eldar tau allies) were not fun to fight. When 9th edition finally some things started to balance out for a while. Over time i learned that it is not my goal to win in 40k but have fun and invest into the hobby and lore. I play a deffskullz xeno looting themed Orks and enjoy kitbashing looted alien vehicles.

[@muratferguson4534]

its because they always had too much game mechanics which were awkward for all close combat players.

[@clanpsi]

You should post pics of your army. I love kitbashing Orks.

[@Erebdai]

@@clanpsi I post my photos in different gaming groups and discorda

[@lynx-alpha2073]

Ere iz git of kultur

[@RocRolDis]

Basically, this. "Good guys?! In MY GRIMDERP game?! *furious sharting*

[@andrewbohlender223]

4:10 “raging neckbeards that take the lore of their little plastic toys a bit too seriously” 😂 Thanks Majorkill for calling them out. I expect nothing less. I love 40K, but lore for toys is exactly what it is after all

[@emman799]

Indeed 👍

[@ChasemeChaos]

It's obviously because the Emperor said we all should hate xenos including blueberry dudes in battle suits.

[@deusdex1186]

Anything else would be heresy. Good to see you made the right choice, citizen.

[@ChasemeChaos]

@@deusdex1186 For the fucking Emperor brother.

[@starhammer5247]

I like the blueberries.

[@ChasemeChaos]

@@starhammer5247 Like the actual blueberries or??

[@starhammer5247]

@@ChasemeChaos, You know what I mean.

[@tizthehappy229]

I feel like people are being alarmists about the rail gun in a vacuum it's really strong against large vehicles but people forget warhammer is more than just I stand in the open and shoot at each other

[@Aredel]

It’s not just in a vacuum. Hammerheads are 140 points a piece and hit on 3s (2s with marker lights). Therefore you can spam enough of these that your opponent has no choice but to spam nothing but infantry and bikes or they’ll be shot off the table, and even then they’re going to be completely screwed by the constant dealing of mortal wounds from the supposed vehicle sniper. Tall factions like marines and Custodes are also screwed, especially Custodes. Terminators will be sniped off the table the minute their turn is over.

[@shadowfox662]

Hammerheads were running a screen for the broadsides. Railrifles are a much better value then the hammerhead rail gun

[@xanderlee51]

I think the tau are cool, probably because I plan on getting a Combat Patrol eventually.

[@yewtatertomater8670]

Frog

[@xanderlee51]

@@yewtatertomater8670 Indeed

[@yewtatertomater8670]

@@xanderlee51 :)

[@xanderlee51]

@@yewtatertomater8670 :)

[@nexusfoxy6842]

40k fans:T'au don't fit 40k Also 40k fans:punk rock space chaos marines is awesome it fits in the world of 40k

[@WoolfJ35]

Sounds like abunch of gatekeepers are mad that they have to adapt their play style but would rather cry about it

[@rommdan2716]

The Tau should have stayed as the good guys of the setting, that was their charm.

[@Char1iBr0wn]

Ewww, they got more interesting by becoming lowkey evil.

[@rommdan2716]

@@Char1iBr0wn I disagree

[@Char1iBr0wn]

@@rommdan2716 and you're welcome to your opinion mate. As someone who likes the Tau, I much prefer them to be a degree of evil then noblebright, because it's unrealistic in the sheer steeped terror that is that existence.

[@rommdan2716]

@@Char1iBr0wn Yeah, but some people like me likes the idea of being the only good guys in a Galaxy full of a-holes, you can call me weak or softboy I don't care

[@Char1iBr0wn]

@@rommdan2716 no no, you're not a softboy or weak. I understand that fatigue of all the darkness. But that is 40k, that's it's charm

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

I play Death Guard and I actually really like The T'au. Their asethetic just appeals to me with how sleek it is compared to the likes of the Imperium,Orks and other factions. Some say they're "too good" for 40k but I do like how they've been recently shone in a more Orwellian-esque light and it makes a change of pace for the setting. Also Commander Farsight is such an underrated character!

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

It's heavy 1, which means it only fires once and gets -1 to hit if the hammerhead moved beforehand. Additionally, getting the first strike on a hammerhead absolutely destroyed its usage, so I suggest keeping some Allarus Custodes with Guardian Spears in the Teleportatum chamber (out of the battlefield).

[@MoDlegion]

Why would it get -1 to hit? It's a vehicle.

[@Aredel]

And it’s hitting on 2s with marker lights. Even with the heavy 1, it still deals 3 mortal wounds, so you can grab 2-3 of these things and basically kill whatever unit on the board you want.

[@AlucardsBlood69]

@@Aredel Its hitting on 3s with Marker-lights, its going up to BS 4 cause whiny bitches like you wont let the shooting army actually shoot. Tau are, in the lore, some of the best shots in the galaxy, fire-warriors train their entire lives, they have AI in their guns that adjust for temperature and range, marker-lights make it so the guns DON'T miss. On table top all their units are worse shots than half the Imperial Guard, who in lore cant hit the side of a barn.

[@billalumni7760]

GW should have gone with making the "Greater Good" theme a more of a moral hazard type theme than make the etherials questionable. It would have worked so much better having a naive group doing the "Greater Good" just for it blow up in their faces. The Road to Hell (CHAOS) is paved with good intentions.

[@robertallan8035]

On the other hand, considering how long humanity got away with it, I don't see any need for them to have to face the music quite so fast.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

They were originally written as the good guys with no bad traits, then hastily rewritten to have potentially a bad trait but overall theres just not enough exploration of their society to fully flesh them out

[@stepheneaton4978]

It's the whole naive good guy thing. Let's see how their bubblegum optimism fares after Grandfather Nurgle decides to plop out a steaming pile of great unclean ones and beasts of Nurgle right in their backyard. Or have a few warlord titans come cruising down the streets of one of their newly "liberated" worlds.

[@chrismath149]

Chaos is not a mysterious threat that just pops up out of nowhere. One can defend from Chaos simply by being a decent person (see how slaneesh was born after the Aeldari went nuts). Also, the Tau themselves cannot be influenced by Chaos as they have very weak souls and do not appear in the warp.

[@hawk4192]

That's the charm of them. The "new kid" vibe where they are very capable, but the galaxy just laughs at their efforts.

[@heitorpedrodegodoi5646]

Thats the neat part they dont, Tau dont use deep warp travel so Chaos is non existant in Tau space.

[@MrFallenone]

@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 Thats why chaos warbands are a thing. Also chaos is everywhere because of the fall of Cadia.

[@ravenwhiteduck6460]

​@@MrFallenone death guard nearly got them but lost due to a deus ex machina

[@Salty__]

I will admit I find having no real melee is a bit dull sometimes. That’s why I usually run a farsighted detachment with farsight and a cold star with fusion blades. I find it fun to drop them both in alongside some crisis suits and just charge into melee even if it isn’t the best idea

[@sparkie1j]

"Made the imperium look unjustifiable and needlessly cruel" oh so you mean the entire point of warhammer?

[@ThorOdinson]

10:30 It’s going to get spammed. Believe me, IT’S GOING TO GET SPAMMED!

[@darth_elsa6681]

Because they don't understand the beauty of the Greater Good comrade Majorkill

[@Chodor101]

In the lore? Because Tau are kinda nice and so insignificant they could be a small subfaction. On the tabletop? Because they skip most phases and all games with them are one sided. Depending on which codex is newest either Tau players learn to pack their stuff efficiently or everyone else does, either way it's hard to call fun.

[@heitorpedrodegodoi5646]

POWER OF RANGE!!!

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 LOL Tau: GO GO POWER RANGER!

[@Crs9072]

Fucking hilarious that someone would deny playing Tau because they think it's about communism. Considering that the Empire of Man is pretty much a fascist empire, and everyone seems to get a hard on for the space marines...

[@guruvedra]

I highly suspect that this man just do not want play against tau in general and just seek reason to refuse. I seen something similar happens many times.

[@rapatacush3]

Better fascist than commies.

[@Sorain1]

Imperium is not even remotely Fascist. (To be fair they shop at the same clothing store.) It's a feudal system through and through. Same way the Tau aren't communist, they're a caste system. (So, a form of Oligarchy.)

[@BOYVIRGO666]

I was playing when Tau were first released and i dont like them based on how badly balanced they seem to always be. But i do sorta like the lore of the tau and i think they structurally work within 40k very well. I even like the idea that they are the 'good guys' until you look closer at their culture and see they arent totally clean handed(which makes them make alot more sense in context)

[@MistaDox]

i think one of the biggest gripes is that the Tau are treated like an intergalactic threat like imperium and the eldar, yet they have only a star system and that's it.. while other micro alien races that actually have a intergalactic presence are ignored by GW

[@Sorain1]

... Tau have something like 50+ systems last I heard. They're getting to the point Ultramar is only somewhat bigger than they are. Yeah, that's not a galactic threat but it's sure as hell a significant one for that segmentum.

[@tythomason6228]

Ever since I got into 40k a little over a year or so ago I thought the Tau were so cool but didn't like them because nobody else did. Then I learned about the Farsight Enclave and actually really like the Tau now. They are very different to the rest of the galaxy, which is great. They offer a nice variety to the rest of the other factions.

[@huss4realz]

God i would love to read about the Tau coming across a squad of Custodes. Imagine: an entire group of fire caste warriors, or two, unloading EVERYTHING onto ONE Custodes and he's STILL coming at them. Talk about getting torn a new asshole.

[@ekulerudamuru]

Or meeting Guiliman while on the indominus crusade,

[@Vankodek]

@@ekulerudamuru " So *THIS* must be the Emperor they all rave about!"

[@japandave3871]

The power of the space marines and the different variants is just to sell models at this point. The lore for them is so retarded that it's not even cool.

[@thuranz2773]

@@Vankodek "nah, the Emperor's my douche dad".

[@evolve117]

I had a match agaist them with the Starter T'au kit along with 6 crisis suits. I got hammered. Though i somehow managed to kill one in melee with a drone (been a while but i think it was a t'au soldier instead). The custodian player may have lost 3 or 1 model while my whole army was decimated

[@spacejunk2186]

There was also this tabletop setup with two Tau landing craft that made the tau pretty much unbeatable.

[@1973Washu]

The most quoted 'proof' the Tau are evil is from a non-canon end of Dawn Of War which itself is only partially canon .

[@jamesbenedict7516]

The "I don't play with communist" must've been an excuse because he doesn't want to drown in supressive fire

[@Zanzabarchocolate]

I honestly think the Tau were a bit wasted on the whole Ethereals and Elemental Caste system thing. They could still keep the Japanese aesthetic, but I think it would have been cooler if they actually were "the good guys" of 40k. Think about it. Imagine a bunch of young races on the eastern fringe of the galaxy creating essentially the Citadel Council and other species like Mass Effect. Definitely western ideals to allow the majority of readers to ground themselves along side them. Idealistic, hopeful, and proud... and then you hit them with the state of the galaxy. As the reader, you view the Imperium from the outside as the massive, bloated, xenophobic, utterly alien (by our standards), behemoth that it is. And then throughout the series of Tau books you see them paint the picture of the rest of the galaxy and realize that the Imperium is ironically saving them by taking the brunt of everything else. They begin realizing they're on the edge of an abyss of unknowable horrors. They may be the good guys, but they sure as shit ain't the protagonists.

[@mcarrowtime7095]

That could’ve worked well, but GW is notoriously bad at writing and it would take far too long. Even so, I think it could still work if they wanted to try

[@fabioviti7384]

They could have done that with humanity, but the sad thing is that the "good guy", the imperator; is the worse guy in the universe, the emperor of man didn't fell, it was shit from the beginning; wow space augustus i don't care if you've been a good father for space caesar if it's canon that the god of plagues and illness is a father far better than you, that love his soon and a lot of guys.

[@wesleyfilms]

As a Tau fan, I think it’s logical that the Tau would be authoritarians who censor and purge anyone that questions the established order.

[@Darksmirk1]

Tau rule and I don’t even have an army of them. I love the lore alternative of them being the “ good guys “ just like Salamanders being the only “ Good guy space marines “… A healthy alternative to constant grim dark is fantastic.

[@kindperson7047]

MikeCats

[@Matt-md5yt]

I don't mind the Tau being a thing in the lore and besides they got good tech for the orks to loot

[@carlzerris6566]

And the Admech aswell. Apparently they nicked an XV-15 stealthsuit. Whats funny is apparently thats the lore reason the XVF-25 is now the mianstream for the stealth suits

[@Matt-md5yt]

@@carlzerris6566 true and Necromunda is rumored to have some of their older model of armor

[@carlzerris6566]

@@Matt-md5yt of battlesuits you mean or the standard firewarrior armor?

[@Matt-md5yt]

@@carlzerris6566 if forget what exactly but something they taken from Tau

[@carlzerris6566]

@@Matt-md5yt Huh neat. They could really do some damage with even a pulse pistol

[@Its_me_Stolas]

Here is a question for warhammer meele enjoyers.why would you bring knife to a gun fight, considering that there are apex Bois, who can tear apart dreadnoughts, like they are made out of paper? Last resort? Fine, whatever. But not as a main weapon

[@yuridezanet7560]

About the railgun: I don't play and I don't even know the rules of the game, but it seems fitting to me that a sci-fi ultra-powerful tank is enough to kill a primarch, after all the imperium has titans and they have been shown to be potentially able to take down a normal primarch (Angron being barely strong enough to lift a titan would be an example) easily since it's a matter of 1 roided up demigod against a vehicle specifically designed to blow things up. I would assume that an imperial titan could be enough to destroy even a primarch that's not Vulkan or Magnus (the first being nearly unkillable, the latter being able to probably go overdrive-psychic-god mode), they just don't get used like that because the titan is much better suited taking down other titans, and probably the tau railgun is the same: a weapon specifically made to take down titans, if you're in the way while it shoots that's on you.

[@vralingfrostmere1561]

the counter to the hammerhead railgun being op is that the hammerhead kit is fuck all expensive

[@cavareenvius7886]

But every single model, kit is unreasonable expensive.

[@keztannis6848]

Putting overpowered shit behind a pay-wall is not going to make it balanced.

[@vralingfrostmere1561]

@@keztannis6848 i know, im not saying i support it but it seems to be the way 40k is going, and i think the main reason most (but not all) people complain is that factions like the imperial guard have all manner of op vehicles, take the leman russ or the basilisk for example, nobody complains about how op those are, consistently the tau has been a bit underwhelming and now that the tau are capable of simply deleting the expensive op shit ig players have, they're going all "but muh hammer of the emprah, ur weak xenos should be hard to play and weak!!!"

[@vralingfrostmere1561]

And a metric fuck ton of the percentage of people i've seen play are going with astartes or ig and they are the same ones usually complaining.

[@vralingfrostmere1561]

I know, hence the world of buying like 1 kit, then scanning and 3d printing those kits 10 times over, that's how i have so many fire warrior squads.

[@a15thcenturysuitofgothicarmor]

I mean hey if the ethereals fuck off then the tau and enclave can team up with the humans. That'd be pretty based. Maybe that was the emperors plan all along? Or an unintended option to defeat the dark Eldar, Tyranids, and Chaos? Although I could just be hoping too much tho...

[@Asraeks]

they already team up with humans. They just dont team up with imperium for obvious reasons

[@mattmark94]

@Pablito123 IIRC the Tau have a truce with the Imperium right now.

[@chrismath149]

I don't think the EOM has had any plans outside of creating a totalitarian government and thinking everything would be fine then. He criticized religion, but created his own, made completely retarded assumptions (no it is not nationalism or economic deprivation, difference in interrests or cultural conflict that causes massive conflicts: it is religion - that's on par with the r/atheism level of understanding regarding religion). By attempting to build a single pillar for all of humanity, making it the same, he took it hostage and made the devastating effect of the Horus heresy even possible. In one sentence: The Emperor of Mankind is a zynical and retarded imbecile who should be stuck in a daycare and not in charge of anything but a handful of playdough.

[@Asraeks]

@@chrismath149 Exactly, people make Big E to be some godly master mind, when in reality he was roided up warlock on ego-trip, but undeniable genius gene scientist.

[@Feitoria89]

@@chrismath149 He did not create his own ???

[@DtWolfwood]

The range weapon of the tau has to be strong since they crumble in melee. It's kinda of stupid if their guns can't rip an incoming army apart from afar. Then they'll just lose in every battle.

[@Aredel]

It’s also stupid that an unblockable, practically unmissable gun that will snipe anything off the table in a single turn is put on a 140p vehicle with no limiters. Most Lords of War don’t have guns even half as strong.

[@seijurohikko6382]

@@Aredel but they can tank for a while and destroy things in melee, can the railgun do that? i don't think so... so if you do not have ANY impact in melee, and so have no use if sent on the front line, you imagine that they must be really REALLY good at the last thing they can do: obliterate things from far away. Maybe they can somewhat increase it's cost, or lower somewhat it's effectiveness for one turn after one shoting something big, i don't know... but it is the only thing they can do, so obviously they do it real good! And when you know your opponent is not balanced, you can think of tactics to play so heavily on his weaknesses that even if he one shot kills your big guys, he can't win overall... (but i don't know how much it cost because i don't play tabletop, i just watch some games sometimes. If it cost nothing i think it is the main issue, not the one shot ability!)

[@Aredel]

@@seijurohikko6382 Hammerheads are 140 a pop. If this gun is to be balanced, they NEED to raise the price up to at least 180, because you can spam 6 of these and still half 1k points left over.

[@seijurohikko6382]

@@Aredel yeah but it is "minor" fixes, just raise the price by a bit isn't a full rework needed... but yeah i agree, if it is too cheap it is unbalanced

[@AlucardsBlood69]

@@Aredel Man some of you need to read your rules better. The most you can bring is 3 at 2000 points. If you bring Longstrike you can have a 4th, but his rules are changing so he doesn't provide the plus 1 to hit anymore. That means you have a 140 point tank with a 1 shot gun hitting on 4s. 3s if you get Markerlights. 140P for 1 shot is a fucking lot. To make it viable you have to use markerlights, which means you are bringing an entire other unit just to support a 1 SHOT tank. If anything its too damn expensive.

[@CRAM079]

to be fair. Tau really only have one phase they get to actually do something in. I was fighting a friend with a Nid army, and they got to Psych me, Shoot me, and Melee me, while all I could do was shoot and roll like shit.

[@Blu_Moon_Owl]

I’m very surface level when it comes to stuff about WH 40K and the Table Top games, but I like learning about the Tau and how they aren’t as “grim dark” as the other factions, and while I do love the Space Marines as well, they are just as bad as the rest. So hearing how much Tau gets trashed on by the extreme fanboys is sad

[@TheLaughingReaper525]

The cast system is close to the cast system that was implemented in Japan during the edo period. With the parallel of avoiding melee being close to how during the Meiji restoration which is considered to be the death of the samurai. With the farsight enclave potentially being the samurai holdouts that were around at the time. The whole thing with the Tau and Japan integrating different cultures also match as the newly integrated peoples are considered to be of lower standing or birth. I don’t think that the Tau cast system is like the Indian one because of the two tier thing compared to India’s. if GW wanted to have the Tau be more of Asian lands that would be cool af. Imagine the Tau empire being of multiple principalities under ethereal rule who conduct intrigue to usurp power (India), while also slowly force assimilating its lesser people’s into all becoming one demographic (CCP), or integrating their peoples to become common practice on lesser cared for imperial worlds, making their presence common so that they can spread their culture(kind of like the movement of Turkic peoples).

[@thomas4092]

As a guard play i laugh at railguns

[@Zadrias6386]

Same… I oh you can one shot tanks… ok… here’s 1,000 penal troopers for you to deal with…

[@stevensanders6696]

@@Zadrias6386 new tau dex will make it easier pretty handily to deal with the guard. I run an armored division and I'm already revisiting my list to figure out how to protect my lemans

[@Zadrias6386]

@@stevensanders6696 I run mainly infantry, with a tank or 2 (when I get a second) backing up my squads for heavier support or to deal with anti infantry…

[@stevensanders6696]

@@Zadrias6386 the main issue I see going against Tau as just about any infantry heavy army is battlesuits being able to shoot in melee. With the new mont'ka rules, crisis squads are going to be able to jump on an objective (counting as 3 models each and with an enforcer, will have obsec), get tangled in the melee with their opponents to hide from vehicles, and still wipe the squad

[@RogueFox2185]

The idea of the Tau is fine and their atheistic is cool enough but having an objectivity “good” faction in WH: 40K without any downsides or at least some shades of grey just doesn’t quite fit in the setting, WH: Fantasy sure that’s acceptable but not in 40K since the entire universe (or at least most of it) tossed out it’s morals centuries ago.

[@arewe9647]

Well… they don’t w are you talking about?

[@RogueFox2185]

@@arewe9647 I’m talking about how they were in the beginning when they were first introduced, they are more balanced out now.

[@chrismath149]

*the entire galaxy. But no, there are moral people and factions in 40k. Two human factions like that were destroyed by the IOM during the Great Crusade (can't remember their names now). The Aeldari are also not downright evil. You could state looking out for our own nation/people is the right thing to do. Similarly, there are Necron tomb worlds who do not intend to kill everything but want to be left alone (provided they are not influenced by anything other than their own senses). Their reasoning in declaring war on the old ones was also understandable. Furthermore, why does it not fit? The idea that whole races always turn evil is pretty retarded in my opinion. It's not that the Tau cannot be mistaken or misguided as this happens in real life but stating that they must be complete dickheads is just a turn-off and threatens to make 40k either a parody (which I would be fine with, or well...stupid). Moral ambiguity is good, straight evil bad - also because there's already the Orks, the Dark Eldar, the Tyranids. It's like sensory overload that threatens to make the universe boring and tedious.

[@cowboydoggo6168]

@@RogueFox2185 Yet they’re still better then every other faction lol

[@tristanellis-mascoll1171]

I disagree on that. Why does the "benefit to all" (which could be the base teaching of the Emperor of Mankind himself) has do have the human abusive downside? Tau are young and idealistic. They have no connection to the warp, which is why they can be the "good" guys. Being the "good" guys refers to the goal and mayor way of achieving it. The moment you roll out soldiers, they are never the "good guys". No matter the faction.

[@lamMeTV]

Either I want troops with tower shields or mechs with swords. Nothing cooler than that

[@Lightscribe225]

Speaking of Mass effect, there are 3D printable models of Turian auxiliaries for the Tau floating out there..

[@Neoyugi]

Tau lore is pretty good, I just haven't had good interactions with the people who tend to play Tau or as I call them 'Tau stans'. The Tau stans I've met are obnoxious, holier than thou types that will spend a match telling you how well their faction can kill you in the lore or that in the lore their riptide wouldn't of died to a rocket, like my guy it's just a game relax. I understand not everyone that plays Tau is like that but yeah I just immediately think of obnoxious people when Tau is brought up.

[@hakijoe]

Been playing Tau since 2006 and yeah I run to people of all hobbies acting that way, that's usually personal issues of some kind coming out, but sorry to hear that's been your experience, would love to give a chill time playing against my Tau and having some beers.

[@slemph2214]

Really? For me it was always necron players. No matter what you tell them about your lore for fun, no matter what happens on the tabletop, they always feel like they have to one-up you with their own lore.

[@FractalSpiral1]

@@slemph2214 Oh god, or the space marine players who are all like 'my chaptermaster wouldn't have died to an entire turn's worth of shooting, cuz lore I literally made up about my homebrew chapter'. Then they complain about only wiping out half my army in melee with one of their units.

[@richardswreckshop6035]

sorry to say but you get those people with all factions, sorry that thats been your experience but rest assured there are many tau players who are just there for fun and will join in with the weeb jokes

[@sparking023]

That's more being a Stan than being a Tau fan, I assume. Never had a good interaction with a single stan once

[@homelessperson5455]

I think the Tau are cool, and fit the aesthetic just fine. Seriously, how do slightly different mechs in a sci-fi setting with everything from war nuns to the power of imagination somehow stir up the pot?

[@grimreaper5004]

I remember when I was around 10 me and my friend were playing in a internet cafe Warhammer 40k dark crusade before I even knew what Warhammer basically even was and I used to freaking love the Tau it was by far my favorite faction all these high tech and cool helmet and armor stuff rly hit the spot for me looking back at it now I might have actually been the only one that felt like this

[@Mr.Beanyuwu]

Warhammer comunity at the UltraSpaceMarines being good at everything: i sleep Warhammer comunity at the TauEmpire being good at shooting: I will end you with these rock

[@alexandrejorge5591]

The idea of the greater good is not exclusive of the communism. It's an idea that is present in a lot of religions like Taoism and Sikhism, and was thought by a lot of philosophers in the ancient and medieval times.