Why do people like Sunday so much???

[@Cpagan722]

Another early reminder, feel free to share your thoughts as always but remember to be kind and cordial :) (I see everything)

[@JustaNormalDoge]

Oliver speaking like a preacher/priest is so funny lol

[@melit.]

@@JustaNormalDogeit’s especially ironic since the video is about Sunday

[@alliew31]

You guys keep on saying he tried to kill everyone, but he didn’t try to actually kill anyone. I think that’s the main reason why I don’t hold it against him. Yeah, he definitely talks too much and is lacking in charisma, but also he gives a lot of anxious mom friend energy. He kind of sees everyone else as children that he needs to wrap in bubble wrap and his backstory shows that it’s out of care and not arrogance because he thinks everyone else would be happy in a box and he’s ok with never being happy. And it’s not just a power grab because it seems like he would be ok if Gopher Woof or Robin had enacted the plan instead which can’t be said for a lot of villains who become dictators for the “greater good” I started liking him as a character when he was trying to convince the astral express crew to go along with his plan by explaining his reasoning. When he was hunting down Robin’s killer and dealing with Adventurine, he really felt like a side character who was going to be a repeat of Bronya (has the wrong info then learns that nefarious things are happening behind the scenes) and I didn’t see a reason to have another one. Once it was revealed that he was working with the Order and had pretty much been guided into believing taking away free will was the only way people could live under the Harmony (kind of like if Bronya had been under the stellaron’s influence when the express arrived) then I got intrigued by him. I wanted to pull for him when I saw his new outfit because it is gorgeous. I also like his kit. Unfortunately I lost my 50/50. I am excited for his character to continue to be part of the story because his ideals haven’t changed but now he needs to create a better world by working with other people instead of just being more powerful. He has a lot of classic protagonist vibes with Gopher Wood giving him a villain’s plan to follow, so now that he can come up with his own plan I’m interestsd

[@poppyseedbun-3336]

I’m personally drawn to Sunday as someone who just loves characters with good intentions but go about it the wrong way. I just find people like him so interesting from a writing standpoint and I like how he deviates from some other characters in gacha games who are written solely to be likable. Another character he reminds me of is Dimitri from fire emblem: a person with admirable traits but due to his circumstances, ends up acting horrifically. Not everyone is going to like these types of characters and I think all opinions are equally valid! I really appreciate your effort to try and understand people’s love for Sunday, even though he doesn’t do it for you :)

[@shinrakai]

My reason for why I like Sunday so much is that he's an antihero, much like Magneto. He's allowed to be vulnerable in the story when a lot of our villains in Star Rail don't usually get to be vulnerable. He has complex motivations and an interesting backstory to enjoy. Sunday has a specific ideal that he follows, even if it comes off badly to the general public. A character having the ability to be complex makes him so interesting and makes me want to pull for him.

[@Aiolet]

I thought he was an anti villain? He believes that sheltering others in a cage, it will keep them safe and happy because he's genuinely worried about them. Anti hero are goodguys who don't do good things from the goodness but the benefit it gives them. Anti villains usually have good intentions behind their cruel or questionable act.

[@shinji7541]

That's not how anti-hero works

[@alliew31]

@@Aiolet This is more complex than you’re making it, but you are correct that he’s an anti-villain not an anti-hero because he isn’t a protagonist at the point when he’s doing contradictory acts and once he’s a protagonist he’s a regular hero. An anti hero could be someone who is doing heroic acts for non heroic reasons, doing non heroic acts for heroic reasons, or just doing heroic acts with a non heroic attitude. Probably the original anti hero would be Odysseus because he was using trickery to win for the “good guys” at a time when real heroes were meant to charge in and fight (non heroic means but heroic reasons). The punisher would also fall into this category as he kills people. The other side would be your mercenaries, like the borderlands players. The thing that makes them heroes isn’t the reason or method, but that they’re the protagonist Anti villains have the exact same thing except they’re the antagonist. Sunday would be non heroic means but heroic reason like Odysseus but he’s opposing the main characters instead of helping them. An example of an anti hero in Star Rail would be the Stellaron Hunters since all of them are working against Destruction but they cause mayhem in worlds, but even though you fight them they’re always framed more as protagonists than antagonists by the story. More like the rival character in a shonen that might do a battle or two with the main character, but you know they’d help out when things are really bad

[@jonathanrobinson198]

Honestly I’m shocked Sunday didn’t turn out worse. His sister was just spreading love a peace and got shot in the neck. Some people with power would’ve become ruthless.

[@luckymuddypaw]

he is the scaramouche of star rail lol. Except he doesnt hate people XD

[@jonathanrobinson198]

People have a fondness for characters that are actually nice but trauma and grooming turned them something they clearly don’t want to be deep down. Characters like Sunday and Scara aren’t that emotionally available, but not because they don’t want to be. It’s that they forgotten how to allow themselves to feel safe. It’s tragic.

[@nelumb000]

Im only at the beginning but I just want to say he is IMO the best written character in HSR and wider

[@user-nc5kq2jo9z]

I also loved him since the 1.6 livestream lol. Been waiting for him since then. I had a similar situation with Aventurine during the Topaz event in Belobog when she spoke to him on the phone (I use the jp dub btw)

[@phrinus]

I would say I don't understand that feeling of not liking a character if they affected your self-insert protagonist character in the game, despite them being well-written, but one of the main reasons I dislike Aventurine is actually BECAUSE the writers made it so you're always "below him" in terms of dialogue options when he's still playing that antagonistic role as a facade and that simply hurts my fragile ego. (Yes, even in 2.1 I wholeheartedly rooted for Sunday) But, on the other hand, there are other writing issues with Aventurine that objectively put him in the tier of characters that don't quite reach THAT high in their writing, so, I'm not entirely sure whether the bias I described even comes into play, since usually my enjoyment of characters is very much proportional to their quality of writing and complexity. I still believe it to be extremely limiting and, frankly, kind of telling (mostly about a person's level of education in media literacy department) to dislike a character if they did something you find morally reprehensible. Stories are made so you'd be able to observe these actions, pass judgment as you see fit, and still be able to enjoy the character in their morally ambiguous glory. Not being able to see past that is just... as I said, limiting. Because, to me, specifically, most of the enjoyment in stories altogether comes from analyzing this characterization the writers gave their creations. This complex nature of certain characters is WHY I love fiction. It's sometimes completely incomprehensible to me why it's not the case for other people. Sunday is BY FAR the least "offensive" in that department. I'm saying this as someone who has Griffith listed as of of their top 10 favorite characters. You simply CANNOT deny the power of good writing.

[@vinhinh6810]

I think how he acts like he's always above you is because that's how he grew up, he was a slave that gamble with his life, one slip up and he loses. It eventually turns into a habit, even without playing the villain or at a disadvantage, he still acts like a little shit and I honestly love it, or maybe I'm just have high tolerance cuz I have yet to be offended by anything irl

[@akirakhan4790]

Aventurine just has NPD due to his trauma, so he's going to act like this, as a defense mechanism, coping mechanism, and way to survive. It's fair to dislike feeling like you're being condescended to, but Ratio is a far worse offender in that regard.

[@vinhinh6810]

@@akirakhan4790 I find ratio funny lol like dude basically calls u stupid not to belittle u but becuz he's genuinely alergic to stupidity itself

[@breadds863]

I agree with most of what you said, it is really limiting for people to only enjoy characters that are nice to the MC. I really think that's silly. Props to you for pointing that out. But I really take issue with the idea that Aventurine's writing is "objectively" way worse than Sunday and that makes it valid to dislike him. It's fine to dislike him. People disliking characters does not need to be rational, and rarely is. But don't frame your opinions as objective reality. I think Aventurine and Sunday have similar levels of writing. Both have strong points and weak points that I could point out. I love Sunday but I actually think Aventurine's writing was a lot stronger in many respects. There are a lot of issues with Sunday's backstory for instance, and I think you are betraying a personal bias here. It is your subjective opinion that Aventurine is that much lower in terms of writing. Both are also similarly complex so I don't really think that's a fair argument.

[@phrinus]

@ Nuh-uh. That's not an opinion, my fellow complex character enjoyer. Everything in Sunday's dialogue and character presentation has been absolutely outstanding and... intentional pretty much all the time he's been on screen. Aventurine really falls victim to the story very unsubtly trying to paint him as one. While even what almost everyone deemed a "weak point" with Sunday - the Charmony dove scenes - serve to further show how fixated he is on a singular idea. There are more examples I could bring to light, such as, once again, the writers purposely making it so, the protagonist doesn't have the options to "tease" him back in conversations, which tries to solidify his characterization as the "smarter one" or the "two steps ahead type" while taking a shortcut to dulling our responses instead of "showing" us his abilities in action some other way. Ah, there's a lot I have to say about the topic. And, Sunday, especially now with the 2.7 has created a big rift between the quality of both in terms of character complexity.

[@jerryeljeremy7790]

I bet if Sunday a girl you will like him more lmao /j

[@breadds863]

/srs

[@MrWizardjr9]

im a sunday hater and a kafka hater

[@most_ly]

@@MrWizardjr9oh my god W fellow Kafka hater

[@heroes8844]

he didnt try to kill you, in fact he could kill you many times in your dreams, but he gave you a fair chance to fight him.

[@riowiicha]

i like him, he's a genuinely interesting character. HSR players have no reading comprehension and insist on seeing things in black and white. especially when the character involved isn't wife bait i understand disliking a character just because they dislike it but it's annoying when they mischaracterize the character just to find a reason to hate it lol

[@nelumb000]

Yeah that's what most of the people who dislike him are lik... There's never a reason other than mischaracterisation or just because (for example the English VA stuff)

[@melit.]

Yeah it’s this exactly, I’ve seen the take where someone expressed disliking him because he tried to kill everyone in Penacony including his sister. And I’m just so confused on how they came to that conclusion.

[@SmangaZone]

The reason why people love him I because everyone loves eating chicken

[@JustaNormalDoge]

Agreed

[@Bubbleppop]

I really love how both the phych ward and my personal phych ward are visible this entire video, Should of done the interview in the phych ward ngl

[@JustaNormalDoge]

Agreed, would have been more realistic

[@moontheforest2632]

When screwllum splash art comes out, you know who you are interviewing I hope…….

[@hireathecho4]

Because he's one of the few characters with the glimmer of intrigue and an interesting motivation, and he actually does something tangible with it, as opposed to it being hidden away in his character profiles. Is he a great character? Not really, no, but considering how bland most hsr characters are and how safe hoyo plays it with their narraitives, he's at least more interesting than your typical hsr character.

[@ObliviOath]

You might be Herta the way you hit that nail on the head

[@ChaolaoFueChi]

Also, i still want to see you to show the world of fire embelm to your freinds.

[@pythiusplaysgames]

That was a really fun video!

[@Odeofodium]

I was and still am a Sunday not wanter but nonetheless while accruing pity for fugue I became a haver Can't use him, own sparkle and bronya and also can't use them I accidently became pretty much just a superbreak account and as such cannot use crit chara

[@ShyMel]

Omg, you can hear when I put my head in my hands lmaoo

[@yengereng9962]

i too do not like sunday for the same reasons you stated, and like you i can respect his motives and understand that he was basically indoctrinated and brainwashed since childhood so i can forgive the guy to an extent, especially now that he seems to see the error in his ways and man can we talk about the part when he said that everyday should be sunday, preach brother, eternal dreams? sign me up lmao. spoilers for elden ring dlc but funny thing is though, a character i do like and is arguably more harmful is miquella. both of these guys have essentially the same motives with a very similar execution of their goals, one seeks to trap everyone in a blissful dream free of suffering, the other seeks to charm everyone into blind subservience to create a kinder world. both deny the people of free will, both are willing to give up their personal freedom and both require ascending to godhood. from the top of my head the real difference for me may just be that sunday yapped for a little too long lmao

[@PlatinumDustVA]

Cause it's the Weekend

[@de_vix]

Me personally I don’t give a freak about Sunday cause no matter what my character will still do huge damage and from leaks remembrance trailblazer literally does what he does except the energy regain Sunday gives aside from that you don’t need him cause even the new relics does what he does to so dude is not needed

[@jerryeljeremy7790]

Same people said this with Robin when Sparkle still around in the meta btw

[@de_vix]

@ never pulled for sparkle and my character where still nuking everything so what your point I only got robin cause I like her if not I would have skipped her too lol cause my Acheron, firefly ,rappa and feixao solos everything and legit the leaks for remembrance trailblazer and the relic that are coming out are literally crit rate and crit damage summon relic literally making Sunday more and more useless his only use is his energy Regen aside from that all you need is remembrance mc and the new relic and you can do 900k dmg literally video of people doing so are already out on twitter so yh Sunday isn’t needed another thing I need to save for Herta and agalea so I don’t need Sunday

[@jerryeljeremy7790]

@@de_vix sure bro, it's not like Feixiao need Robin right. Or Castorice with Sunday. The buff Sunday provided also different from RMC but sure, you do you.

[@de_vix]

@@jerryeljeremy7790 exactly if you have bronya you can use her in feixao team and yh once again the only buff Sunday gives that Rmc doesn’t is energy Regen that all but once again the new relics that are coming plus rmc buffs you legit don’t need to pull for Sunday and just save for Herta and agalea

[@awesome7006]

People like Sunday because he is one of the only characters in version 2.7 that have a voice. We can hear Sunday and understand him versus the other mute characters.

[@AuroraDreams_]

Uh not the only reason funny guy

[@nelumb000]

I can't relate i play in Japanese 🤟

[@OnEllisDee]

The only thing I like about Sunday is his sister

[@Zeklyon]

Sunday is like a theater kid that thinks he is deep, but he is a strong harmony so I pulled for him.

[@wikidpsycokilla]

People like Sunday because they look at him and think "poor guy got led astray, I can fix him". They like Aventurine because tragic backstory, and they like Firefly because terminal illness. Good villains like Askeladd, Otto Apocalypse and Thanos were good because they acknowledged they were doing the wrong thing for the right reason, with no need to justify their actions. Meanwhile Sunday wouldnt admit what he was doing was wrong and Aventurine perpetuated the cycle of abuse and manipulation without trying to break it. Without the terminal illness people would have dismissed Firefly as shallow waifu bait. Once you look past the emotional manipulation there just isnt much substance.

[@vladprus4019]

"Without the terminal illness people would have dismissed Firefly as shallow waifu bait." I did it purely, because of how blatant they were with the death flags. The "shocking" scene in 2.0 came for me not as shock but "Really, we're doing this already? Not a little too fast?" Than later, they done something so cheap... they brought back the character that up to this point had personality and backstory consisting entirely out of death flags. Her whole being was one gaint death flag. But it turned out that death was a fakeout! Other Penaconny storyline also showed multiple instances of "who cares what we set up, surprising twists are more important." (what they did to Anihillation gang was big example of wasting the villain set up for no reason than to hype out Acheron even more - why they even bothered with making trailer for them bruh, just to make it more "shocking" when they will throw it all away? Yeah, I'm shocked, because I've expected actual ability from the writer instead of cheap tricks like "plot twist you never expected as it makes so sense", "fakeout deaths of walking waifubait death flags" and "using complex terminology and cryptic wording to hide the problems with the story on a basic level")

[@Sandstimes]

Sunday did think what he was doing was wrong? That was literally his entire part in the new quest, trying to fix his mess and make amends before journeying off with the exact goal of becoming a better person. Also, a character doesn't need to be a good person to be a complex and engaging character, aventurine is messy as hell but that's just what happens when you lose everything you thought was worth fighting for. He's a good, realistic representation of how untreated trauma and mental illness can warp someone. He hasn't even had the chance to have a proper arc yet, we only have flashbacks to his past, but hyv are clearly setting up a gradual shift as he keeps getting surrounded by more people who want him to do better for himself (ratio, ironically our current sunday, the express crew, etc)

[@SaikaSaika-s9b]

fake attraction to make him popular that goes when every characters go out average or not

[@dr.strange1300]

We hate Sunday in this house 🗣🗣🗣🗣