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Why do Trombones have triggers, and what do they do???

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Trent Hamilton

Trent Hamilton

Күн бұрын

This video attempts to tackle the questions relating to trombone's triggers; why trombone's have them, and what do they do.
Please let me know if you think I've missed anything out here. If I didn't cut out all the ramblings and technicalities from my recording, this video would have been nearly 3/4 of an hour long... Yeah, I get carried away.
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@twelvetears7653
@twelvetears7653 7 жыл бұрын
Believe it or not, I've known trombonists who've played for 6+ years ask what the trigger does just as I have known a tubist who played for well over 10 years never know what the 4th valve was for
@ultramanxk7
@ultramanxk7 5 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@Stephenp503
@Stephenp503 4 жыл бұрын
I had only played for a few months in a student model trombone when someone explained what the trigger did.
@AlrFrWhoAmI
@AlrFrWhoAmI 3 жыл бұрын
im going into my senior year and im the low brass section leader. I just now found out how this works
@ricepile1343
@ricepile1343 2 жыл бұрын
I'm in 8th grade, just got to try playing a tenor trigger trombone, and knew about them before that but never shown too much attention to them until now
@liamsamples
@liamsamples 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a third-year trombone and I USE a trigger.
@Phoenixspin
@Phoenixspin 7 жыл бұрын
TRIGGER WARNING!
@angelodjapa2600
@angelodjapa2600 4 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@nathanlucas6465
@nathanlucas6465 5 жыл бұрын
After 25+ years of playing with a trigger, I've just got a pbone. I hadn't realised just how reliant on my trigger I had become.
@Kibaomaru
@Kibaomaru 8 жыл бұрын
We call the trombones without a trigger a peashooter
@noapleb5397
@noapleb5397 8 жыл бұрын
+SmartGamer heh ...
@tiarascott4127
@tiarascott4127 6 жыл бұрын
Yunyoung Kim yeah
@brandonlowe8457
@brandonlowe8457 5 жыл бұрын
Yassssss
@ephronium
@ephronium 4 жыл бұрын
yes
@Rosie6857
@Rosie6857 4 жыл бұрын
Triggers are for trombonists with short arms.
@cicadaboi101
@cicadaboi101 3 жыл бұрын
I have a bass trombone where both triggers are in the same place and that makes it really hard to switch between the two on fast passages. The small rotating bit that helps your finger slide across the triggers broke off too. But it's a school rental so you get what you get. Someday I'm gonna buy my own bass trombone.
@ktang001
@ktang001 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I've been learning on a small - bore straight tenor trombone for nearly 7 months. I got a large - bore B flat with F attachment trombone last week, and the biggest problem I had was holding the instrument.
@isaaclewispiano
@isaaclewispiano Жыл бұрын
I had no idea the second bassbone trigger puts it in Gb, all this time I thought my schools instrument was messed up.
@lilbigrigw9904
@lilbigrigw9904 7 жыл бұрын
TRIGGERED
@alexn1482
@alexn1482 7 жыл бұрын
I had to like this.
@pitpao
@pitpao 7 жыл бұрын
before I watch this I'm going to guess to make flames come out.
@The_MikeM
@The_MikeM 3 жыл бұрын
Facts
@musicalsarelife
@musicalsarelife 9 жыл бұрын
You didn't mention the fact that as the overtone series of notes in any position gets lower the distance between them gets wider. The trigger fills in the gap that the slide cannot bridge in the lowest note in any given overtone series. i.e.the gap between low e and pedal Bb. And the second trigger helps because the slide instill not long enough to get the low B.
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 9 жыл бұрын
I did originally talk about that, but I cut it from this video because it was getting too long. I think there's another video in my channel that talks about that, or there's another one waiting to be edited where I talk about that.
@optiTHOMAS
@optiTHOMAS 2 жыл бұрын
love the triggers! been playing a medium bore horn with a trigger forever, and man it's so convenient! 😁👍🏻 I really wanna get a large bore or bass trombone one day!
@sapi8502
@sapi8502 7 жыл бұрын
I saw a friend use this and he barely had to move his slide.
@sheeloesreallycool
@sheeloesreallycool 4 жыл бұрын
Wow
@xdanulicious4275
@xdanulicious4275 8 жыл бұрын
Have you ever seen or played a Superbone before?
@thotumn2896
@thotumn2896 6 жыл бұрын
xShadows Yes! I know you’re talking to Trent but I have played one before in my life and they are very fun. I played one the other day actually. I have various mouthpieces but it’s technically just a very large trumpet. The slide is functional and it has all 7 positions. Your non-dominate hand is the same as any other trombone besides bass+ . It has the same tone as a trombone. It’s not any different from a tenor trombone besides it has valves.
@kj4ilk
@kj4ilk 6 жыл бұрын
i keep wondering if a trigger on a tenor makes it to F what would happen on a superbone if you push let's say 2nd valve in 4th position slide can you use the valves as trigger's?
@crazygamer-mr6nr
@crazygamer-mr6nr 6 жыл бұрын
heartbreaker t
@williamsonsmd5646
@williamsonsmd5646 6 жыл бұрын
every valve combination is essentially a trigger. if you were to press the 2nd valve and use the slide, it would be a half step lower than Bb and play in the key of A. 4th position would be about a half step lower than normal and would have a Gb fundamental as opposed to G on a standard trombone
@quantumjoss
@quantumjoss 6 жыл бұрын
I have experience with preforming with a superbone but I’m not sure what instrument that is
@jacobgregory4844
@jacobgregory4844 6 жыл бұрын
The Fundamental, or Pedal Tone, is an octave below the note played this video presentation. The presenter demonstrates the first harmonic, an octave higher..
@Blake10Man
@Blake10Man 8 жыл бұрын
These videos are so informative and interesting!
@tonyandrade1731
@tonyandrade1731 4 жыл бұрын
Blake McManus I know right?
@Robin-jf4kv
@Robin-jf4kv 7 жыл бұрын
The thing about bass trombonist is that yeah people might think they are lazy but they probably said the same thing when the added the valves to the trumpet
@keithshockley3443
@keithshockley3443 2 жыл бұрын
F attachment trombones are not just designed for short people or those with small arms. It helps those who have trombone, I mean trouble with playing musical passages fast. 😂😂😂😂😆😆😆 it also allows you to play 6th and 7th position quicker and more accurately than before. So it is a must for any advancing musician.
@manjot2727
@manjot2727 6 жыл бұрын
So is pressing the trigger on a single trigger trombone the same as pressing the first trigger on the trombone with 2 triggers?
@esiotrot1018
@esiotrot1018 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@zxKAOS1
@zxKAOS1 7 жыл бұрын
Hmm sounds similar to having a 4th valve on a euphonium? The 4th valve also dramatically increases the range of really lower register notes available, and makes some of the some lower notes better in tune, but otherwise, alternative fingering has made it easier to play certain things!
@danielquaile2960
@danielquaile2960 7 жыл бұрын
Yep, the first trigger has the same function as your 4th valve. When pressed, the first trigger mimics roughly the 6th position on the slide. On the Eupho, the 4th valve played by itself mimics the 1st and 3rd valve combo. The second trigger on the Bass Trom is a new ball game for me, I've just started learning what it does!
@mal2ksc
@mal2ksc 6 жыл бұрын
It is similar. The pitch change is the same, as is the problem that your "slide positions get further apart". Of course on a purely valve instrument, you don't have the ability to alter your valve lengths on the fly, which is what compensating valves are for. Trombones don't need mechanical compensation, because the player has to use a different set of slide positions instead. However, like a non-compensating 4-valve euphonium, the slide will not allow a low B natural on the first trigger alone, and that is the primary reason second triggers were added (and why most tenors neither need nor have them, they aren't asked to play lower than low E).
@aleostubasecftw
@aleostubasecftw 3 жыл бұрын
died @ "rather crusty homemade worked bench" xD loved the vid!!
@MichaelSidneyTimpson
@MichaelSidneyTimpson 6 жыл бұрын
Here's a legit question. With triggers, doesn't it allow some passages to be played as a true slur? Also, some trills would be cleaner too, right?
@staritone3883
@staritone3883 4 жыл бұрын
Well, the straight trombone already has lip slurs which, combined with slide movement, create effective slurs. The trigger does allow for slurs on the same partial that otherwise would have to be legato tongued, but you very often can eliminate the legato tongue with some simple alternate positions. As for trills, if you use a trigger for a trill written as a lip trill, it won't sound like the composer intended but could potentially be cleaner depending on what you are good at. Whether that is an issue is up to the player's opinions.
@cicadaboi101
@cicadaboi101 3 жыл бұрын
@@staritone3883 Going from C to Bb or B to Bb cannot be slurred on a tenor without a trigger.
@staritone3883
@staritone3883 3 жыл бұрын
@@cicadaboi101 Those are actually good examples of notes you CAN slur without a trigger, since you are changing partials. Just make sure your slide is well aligned and clean.
@cicadaboi101
@cicadaboi101 3 жыл бұрын
@@staritone3883 I mean low C to low Bb not middle C to high Bb.
@thinkerly1
@thinkerly1 4 жыл бұрын
The example at the end of the two types of trombones playing one above the other is splendid. Thank you.
@turnitback
@turnitback 7 жыл бұрын
Another excellent presentation from my favourite producer of videos on brass.
@cookie0329
@cookie0329 2 жыл бұрын
to me the main reason for a trigger is just so i can actually play the notes between low E and pedal Bb
@josephcolon5812
@josephcolon5812 8 жыл бұрын
another scale you can use as an example was the 2 octave Bb major. the slide only moves for regular Eb, and G. Every other note can be hit open or with a trigger.
@LittleGenevieve
@LittleGenevieve 4 жыл бұрын
the way trent looks into the camera whilst explaining the trumpets its horrifying
@chasemacecm5728
@chasemacecm5728 8 жыл бұрын
So the first trigger on a bass trombone allows you to play notes in 6th position in first like low C and low F, and the second trigger does the same but for notes in 7th position, and both together do both leaving 5 positions?
@Clarisaxx22
@Clarisaxx22 7 жыл бұрын
Trigger 1 goes to F and C, Trigger 2 is F# and C#, both make D. You end up only needing to move the slide to play A/E, Ab/Eb, G,D2 and B natural. So you can play Bb(all), F(all), F#(all), C(all), C#(All), D(except D2), E4,Eb4, G4,Ab4,A4, B4 all in first with 2 triggers. Why you would need to do that on Bass trombone is unreasonable tho
@Clarisaxx22
@Clarisaxx22 7 жыл бұрын
Trigger 1 with 2- position is the same as 7th
@Chris-rz3wq
@Chris-rz3wq 8 жыл бұрын
Do you think the double horn concept could be applied to other valved brass instruments? A trumpet at least could certainly take the extra weight. Maybe it just isn't really needed...
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 8 жыл бұрын
The double horn concept is a bit reverse to me, as the 'other' side is higher, rather than lower.
@Chris-rz3wq
@Chris-rz3wq 8 жыл бұрын
It's done so horn players have less harmonics to negotiate in the higher register. I guess the "default" length on the trombone and horn respectively are the most needed for general playing and produce the fullest sound.The extra sides are added for slightly different reasons on the trombone and horn i'd say. Thanks for making all of these fun videos and talking with so many of your subs. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@martineyles
@martineyles 7 жыл бұрын
Trent Hamilton I play a horn standing in F, but it can be configured on most double horns, and I know 1 or 2 people who have the horn standing in Bb, making it a more Trombone like experience. Borrowing a horn that has the valve the other way round is very confusing, making a normally decent player struggle to get the right note!
@mal2ksc
@mal2ksc 6 жыл бұрын
I had an old Conn compensating double, and I set it up to stand in B♭ because it sounded much better on that side of the horn. Why put all the wear and tear on your thumb if you're going to play on the B♭ side 90% of the time? I also had a single F horn available when the music called for it, but I was playing first horn and only used the single horn when we did brass quintets. I never did get to gig with the brass quintet, as the only time they got booked, the same director had also booked the saxophone quartet at a different location at the same time. I had to bring the second horn player up to speed with about two weeks notice because I couldn't physically be at both shows, and then they decided to just keep her instead of dealing with my schedule conflicts. (Never mind that she had schedule conflicts of her own, because she was, by profession, a drummer.)
@christinabishop7352
@christinabishop7352 8 жыл бұрын
I hear a lot of people say that a 4-valve tuba is beater than a 3-valve tuba but when I hear a 4-valve tuba play a solo it sounds like a singing elephant and less like a really good sounding tuba. I have a Jupiter 3/4 tuba and when I play the high register it sounds beater than the 4-valve tubas I have heard professional tuba players play. Why are they so dismissive of the 3-valve when it has a high range advantage?
@wwemario12345
@wwemario12345 8 жыл бұрын
I'm not a tuba expert, but I think the 4th valve is so you can get a lower range.
@christinabishop7352
@christinabishop7352 8 жыл бұрын
wwemario12345 True but then why do most 3/4 tubas get flack even if they sound good and all respect is given to the person with the 4/4 tuba? 3/4 can have good high range advantages if played by someone who has worked hard on the high register, but when it comes down to the directors of any music department they say the 3/4 does not sound good because they been told otherwise even if that player is a good player. It's time that 3/4 tubas get accepted and appreciated for their quality of reaching high resister without sounding like an elephant, but like a baritone that is played really well.
@gigabyte2248
@gigabyte2248 8 жыл бұрын
I've been playing the Bb tuba for about 7 years in the UK and I find the distinction of tuba size (3/4, 4/4, 5/4 etc.) a little odd. They're not clearly defined sizes, the fundamental length doesn't change and the bore is already given in the specification. Just a thought. Small tubas have their advantages. Professional tuba solos are usually played on F tubas that get called '4/4' rather than a '5/4' F tuba or an Eb tuba that might be used in tutti playing (normal playing, like a symphony). There are, however, a couple of problems with your idea of using small tubas more regularly. Firstly, they cut through the texture nicely - a good feature when you're a soloist but not when you're 'just' the bottom of the brass section in a symphony and a dreadful one if the composer wants a really rich, strong bass sound. Secondly, you said yourself your 3/4 tuba sounds 'like a baritone that is played really well' - why not replace it with a baritone or euphonium, then? The tuba is designed to be a rich bass voice and is almost unrivalled in this regard but it usually bows out to the euphonium and baritone when a light sound is called for, as they can do the job better. I love my Bb tuba and the sound it makes in the middle and lower register. I play it in a British brass band where I have the contrabass part and it has an essential presence - they don't think 'that Bb tuba playing is awesome' but they'd definitely notice something wrong if I wasn't there (my bandmaster was freaking out a little when I had to miss a concert for a business trip). The tuba can sound very rich and 'elephant-like' doesn't have to be a downside. Anyway, now that I've gone off on my rant: your original point on 3-valve vs. 4-valve. I think I've largely addressed it above - 3-valve instruments are usually made small ('3/4') for beginners while professional instruments demand the flexibility and range of more valves. 4 valves allow you to play chromatically down to the fundamental (the pedal tone) and give you an alternate fingering for the notes usually played on 1-3 and 1-2-3 so you can play more in tune. For compensating systems (a whole other kettle of fish I can get into if you like) this is all you ever need to play in tune but for non-compensating systems (read: all tubas except British brass band tubas) having slightly flat alternatives to the first 3 valves helps play in tune in the bottom range. F tubas have between 4 and 6 valves for this purpose. Hope this helps :)
@christinabishop7352
@christinabishop7352 8 жыл бұрын
I have been thinking about learning how to play a 4 -valve tuba should I get a white plastic Tiger tuba or just get a small compact brass one with piston valves?
@gigabyte2248
@gigabyte2248 8 жыл бұрын
Set a budget, work within that. An intermediate model would be a good idea if you've already played a small 3-valve, although ask your teacher and bear in mind what's normal in your part of the world (if you're in the USA, you'd struggle to get help with a British Eb compensating model). A professional model might not be appropriate for you right now, even if you have the money. If it's a matter of just having your own instrument then a small, lightweight tuba would be fine to learn on but a plastic instrument is usually a false investment (Trent lambasted a plastic trumpet a few weeks ago). In terms of size, bear in mind, too, what you can handle - C and Bb tubas are big. My top tip, thought, is to see if your school/county/band have an instrument you could borrow, particularly if you're still learning.
@rkaebe6481
@rkaebe6481 7 жыл бұрын
Please can you review Schiller Bass Trombone?
@InsaneVibz
@InsaneVibz 5 жыл бұрын
I have a closed wrap **TRIGGERED TROMBONE** (conn) {brand}
@aarondrek8945
@aarondrek8945 4 жыл бұрын
InsaneVoid-YT same (Bach)
@joshbarber5538
@joshbarber5538 6 жыл бұрын
Trent I have a closed wrap tenor trombone
@nicovertriest349
@nicovertriest349 Жыл бұрын
I would be very interested to see you make a review of a Carolbrass trigger trombone. I hear them praised all the time, but have never seen a video review of one.
@pawbiter
@pawbiter 4 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Thank you.
@Gabie76
@Gabie76 9 жыл бұрын
I don't understand I have a bass trombone (and no its not a tener) that has only one trigger what kind of bass trombone is it
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 9 жыл бұрын
+purplicious_cactuse/lag Triggers are the defining point of a bass trombone. You can have a bass trombone with none, one, or two triggers.
@Gabie76
@Gabie76 9 жыл бұрын
+Trent Hamilton cool thanks!
@MichaelSidneyTimpson
@MichaelSidneyTimpson 6 жыл бұрын
It is still an F trigger or something different (like Eb), otherwise B-nat would be missing from your range?
@timzawicki1393
@timzawicki1393 4 жыл бұрын
Generally, in the US there are two defining characteristics of a Bass Trombone. 1) It has a relatively large bore (the diameter of the tubing usually .562 inch) 2) At least one valve and related tubing lowering the fundamental pitch from Bb to F. There may be a second valve in various configurations closing the gap in the F side from C (end of extendable hand slide length) to the Bb fundamental pedal with the slide closed. The gap being B natural (C natural to Bb). The most famous headache for the Bass Trombonist is the gliss in the Bartok "Concerto for Orchestra" of B natural up to F (first position on F trigger). There being no alternative but to use the second valve for the B natural and closing it during the gliss thereby interrupting a true smooth gliss.
@TheMotherOfBambi
@TheMotherOfBambi Жыл бұрын
thank you so much for this video, i was so confused about this. thank you from a composer!
@guest1658
@guest1658 5 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to make trombone with additional tubes between which you can switch with trigger to change octaves to higher/lower when you reach highest/lowest note to reach higher than highest/lower than lowest?
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 5 жыл бұрын
On some level it is possible, but the resulting instrument would be so impractical you might as well just carry around a second instrument.
@AbysmalSlumber
@AbysmalSlumber 6 жыл бұрын
I play a closed b flat tenor and I love it
@giovannigarcia6100
@giovannigarcia6100 8 жыл бұрын
I have a question, could you play a D with just the second trigger or do you have to use both to play it in 1st position
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 8 жыл бұрын
You could play it with just the second trigger, but the slide would have to be in about 5th-6th position.
@francoislefebvre9824
@francoislefebvre9824 4 жыл бұрын
Trigger is a bad in general and increase resistance and perfection of the natural instrument. Trigger is useful for low part only. Many 1st player part don’t need this cumbersome attachment. No trigger means purer sound, intonation and much clear sound. Normal trigger are lighter and spund more responsive to clear attack.
@briannaspencer9169
@briannaspencer9169 4 жыл бұрын
I have a closed wrap f attachment
@nickrushworth6925
@nickrushworth6925 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@briannaspencer9169
@briannaspencer9169 4 жыл бұрын
@@nickrushworth6925 what brand do you have?
@nickrushworth6925
@nickrushworth6925 4 жыл бұрын
Yamaha YBL-321 Single trigger bass trombone
@briannaspencer9169
@briannaspencer9169 4 жыл бұрын
@@nickrushworth6925 nice
@maddisonhsiao3877
@maddisonhsiao3877 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought it functioned similar to the trigger on a F/Bb double horn but I could be wrong lol I do play horn but manly woodwinds aha
@Serge_Korr_Music
@Serge_Korr_Music 6 жыл бұрын
Does anybody know, is we have in present the Tenor Trombones with this double-valve mechanism (Bb/F/Gb or Bb/F/G), as on Bass Trombone on this video, or standard single (Bb/F) only? And does the trombone Bb/F/Gb has a low B1 (H1) note? I know, that the original trombone Bb/F doesn't have one. Thanks!
@somefreelog
@somefreelog 4 жыл бұрын
So is a trigger trombone just another name for F attachment/Quart valve trombone?
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 4 жыл бұрын
Yes :)
@somefreelog
@somefreelog 4 жыл бұрын
@@TrentHamilton Awesome thank you!
@Goriaas
@Goriaas 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone use the F attachment above say a concert C inside of bass clef? I think many horn players switch to their F side higher than that. Do trombonists do it too?
@samdavis649
@samdavis649 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, no. I find the timbre less appealing.
@thearbyarbiter
@thearbyarbiter 11 ай бұрын
where do you buy the no valve trumpet?
@Pretzel3567
@Pretzel3567 8 жыл бұрын
i can understand why you wouldnt mention this but trigger trombones are used in marching bands so trombonists dont have to reach into 7th position while marching and potentially hitting someone in the head
@Pretzel3567
@Pretzel3567 8 жыл бұрын
the hitting people is mostly if your band is doing a parade in a block
@winstonelston5743
@winstonelston5743 6 жыл бұрын
Or having the slide slip out of your gloved hand.
@denfinch5694
@denfinch5694 4 жыл бұрын
I owned a Holton TR181 for decades and thought that l was not so good at hitting lower triggered notes, from E-flat below the stave. That instrument was closed wrap. I had a thought and did some research into open wrap trombones which are very much more modern. I, therefore, bought a Yamaha Custom double independent with open wrap tubing. This wonderful instrument allows excellent volume at all registers across the entire range so it wasn't me that was the problem voicing the lower notes!
@dedf1sh790
@dedf1sh790 3 жыл бұрын
How do I Play 6th position on a trigger trombone??? Please help me
@zamnou1873
@zamnou1873 3 жыл бұрын
Depends what note, if you need to play the F you can press the trigger and play the F which is normally 6th position in first. I think that is what you mean
@giovannifalvo1729
@giovannifalvo1729 4 жыл бұрын
I have a question when I would play a low c on the Trigger Trombone using the Trigger it sound out of tune in 1st position but its sounds fine in 2nd
@nigward.1018
@nigward.1018 3 жыл бұрын
u just have to tune it Pull the slide on the trigger out some more if you need too
@Jarhead-ji3lq
@Jarhead-ji3lq 8 жыл бұрын
how many triggers can a trombone have?
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 8 жыл бұрын
+Jacob Ramos Typically only one or two. There are some trombones which have three triggers, but they're designed to mirror the function of normal valves.
@Jarhead-ji3lq
@Jarhead-ji3lq 8 жыл бұрын
Oh ok. Thanks trent
@manjot2727
@manjot2727 6 жыл бұрын
Trent Hamilton So is pressing the trigger on a single trigger trombone the same as pressing the first trigger on the trombone with 2 triggers? Also they sound the same on 1st position normal ( f in a straight trombone)
@kevincao8856
@kevincao8856 5 жыл бұрын
Manjot Brar yes and yes, the fundamental frequency of all trombones mentioned are in Bb, the first trigger on both will drop it down to an F and the second will drop it to a Gb. I like to think of them as extra slide positions to play lower, like a non-compensating valve on a 4 valve euphonium. The first trigger acts like a 6th position and the second acts like a 5th
@manjot2727
@manjot2727 5 жыл бұрын
kevwasbored oh ok 👍 thank you
@BandGGaming
@BandGGaming 9 жыл бұрын
Dropping from b flat to f only works in the pedal tones. A b flat 2 (bottom of the staff while still on the staff) rises up to a c. Does this have anything to do with that I have a tenor with f attachment?
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 9 жыл бұрын
B&G Gaming No, that's just you. If you try to hit a low F (bottom of the stave) in first position with F attachment activated then you can hit it. It's easier to go from Bb to C, but that's not the only note you can go to :)
@gameguy8101
@gameguy8101 9 жыл бұрын
I have a question, I play tenor trombone without a trigger but I really think one would be useful. So are there places where I can get a trigger trombone bell piece, so I can save money on not buying an entirely new slide?
@wt4629
@wt4629 8 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried it myself but the King 606 might have the same sized bore and tightening screw as a King 607. (Talk to a brass specialist at your local music store, don't make a purchase because of me). You could in theory mate any bell section to any slide section of similar bore size and it would work fine, however the amount of elbow grease involved probably wouldn't be worth it.
@BEAN.MACHINE
@BEAN.MACHINE Жыл бұрын
Funny you should mention that with closed-wrap trombones you won't have to sharpen it to put it in the case because I have the exact example picture you used and I have to do exactly that only with the main slide😂 But yes I realise with most this won't be the case Haha case
@masterpage69420
@masterpage69420 6 жыл бұрын
Is it uncommon for a Bass Bone to have 1 trigger? The bass trombonist in my corps band plays one with 1 trigger
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 6 жыл бұрын
It depends on the level band. In competing bands it is rare, but in bands made of volunteers then it’s not rare at all. The second trigger does give you improved flexibility, but there’s only one note you can play on a double trigger trombone that you can’t play on a single trigger trombone, and again, if you’re not playing competition grade music then you’ll never actually come across an actual need for it.
@ronnielozynsky7919
@ronnielozynsky7919 3 жыл бұрын
I've heard tenor trombones with triggers called a "Tenor bass" trombone before, and found a page that shows that type of trombone having a slightly larger lower end in terms of pitch compared to a regular tenor trombone without a trigger. (Here is a link to it if you scroll down) hub.yamaha.com/six-things-you-never-knew-about-trombone/ I treat the Tenor bass trombone as its own separate type of trombone, rather than another form a tenor trombone. I was just wondering what your thoughts were on all of this, as I do find it a bit confusing.
@andpeggy6048
@andpeggy6048 Жыл бұрын
Late reply, but I believe the tenor bass name came from when the bass trombone was in f, and because of that there were notes the bass trombone could play notes the tenor couldn’t. Tenor bass means it could play both the bass and tenor parts( I believe).
@ronnielozynsky7919
@ronnielozynsky7919 Жыл бұрын
@@andpeggy6048 Ah thanks for the reply. That is interesting. 🙂
@RockStarOscarStern634
@RockStarOscarStern634 Жыл бұрын
They're useful
@finnmcool2
@finnmcool2 Жыл бұрын
Triggers and valves on trombones are there so they can simulate a musical instrument. (snicker)
@cyndie26
@cyndie26 6 жыл бұрын
If F and Gb triggers are both actuated, shouldn't the instrument be in the key of Db?
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 6 жыл бұрын
Check out this video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b17XqqJ5qrSJnbc
@cyndie26
@cyndie26 6 жыл бұрын
Trent Hamilton The bass trombonist in my university's jazz ensemble has triggers for F and G and if both are depressed, it still gets lowered to D.
@steverossen2816
@steverossen2816 6 жыл бұрын
You used the 2014 intro with a January 1st, 2015 video. I’m triggered.
@zipherdias420
@zipherdias420 5 жыл бұрын
Soo...its basically like the octave key on a sax.
@bobbysheridan9636
@bobbysheridan9636 6 жыл бұрын
I play a tenor trombone without a trigger and I was wondering, If you press the F-Attachment down can you play the f scale in the same positions as a b-flat scale without the trigger depressed (1, 6, 4, 3, 1, 4, 2, 1)?
@mal2ksc
@mal2ksc 6 жыл бұрын
Technically, yes. Practically, no, because those slide positions (except 1st) will all be further out on the slide, meaning any effort saved in learning the position pattern is more than offset by having to learn five new positions.
@tobytcc930
@tobytcc930 7 жыл бұрын
triggerd
@mesekkai
@mesekkai 6 жыл бұрын
why have instruments in different keys if all of them can basically play the same notes..unlesss im wrong
@mal2ksc
@mal2ksc 6 жыл бұрын
They can't all basically play the same notes. Tenor trombones cannot play the notes between low E and pedal B♭ without a trigger, and with a single trigger they still can't play low B♮ because there is no seventh position when the trigger is in use. Also, so sane composer would ask them to play in that range when bass trombones exist, sound better, and are physically easier to play. Conversely, you dnot' play screaming trombone solos on a bass because that's just not what it was designed to do. Can it hit the notes? Maybe, but they're going to be much less well defined and much less stable in pitch. The bass is designed to play better toward the bottom of the harmonic series, 1 (fundamental) to 6, where the tenor is optimized more around the middle harmonics, 2 to 8, and is not designed with the fundamental in mind at all. You can play it, but no effort has gone into making it play in tune.
@mesekkai
@mesekkai 6 жыл бұрын
i can play low b natural with a single trigger...but yea i just remembered low E through low C with the trigger.. everyone that plays a trombone at my school can play pedal tone b flat.
@sGSdYgsdGA8fSWrRb2uzpMzzt2ys90
@sGSdYgsdGA8fSWrRb2uzpMzzt2ys90 7 жыл бұрын
The thing you take off to oil a trigger is stuck on my trombone what do I do
@aromuskosincalti1479
@aromuskosincalti1479 7 жыл бұрын
Andrew Wallace grab a wrench
@sGSdYgsdGA8fSWrRb2uzpMzzt2ys90
@sGSdYgsdGA8fSWrRb2uzpMzzt2ys90 7 жыл бұрын
Aromuskos Incalti i already took it to the shop
@aromuskosincalti1479
@aromuskosincalti1479 7 жыл бұрын
So you're paying someone else for the safety of mind that your instrument won't end up fucked. Reasonable.
@sGSdYgsdGA8fSWrRb2uzpMzzt2ys90
@sGSdYgsdGA8fSWrRb2uzpMzzt2ys90 7 жыл бұрын
Aromuskos Incalti he did it for free
@aromuskosincalti1479
@aromuskosincalti1479 7 жыл бұрын
Who and where? The place near me charges $50 just to look at it.
@keithshockley3443
@keithshockley3443 2 жыл бұрын
I call a valveless trombone a straight trombone.
@wddgaming2576
@wddgaming2576 4 жыл бұрын
I prefer playing triggers despite playing a tenor for my whole band career
@EtaCarinaStar
@EtaCarinaStar 7 жыл бұрын
I have some triggers too, but i already know what they do.
@winstonelston5743
@winstonelston5743 6 жыл бұрын
My old dog had a trigger, activated when you tried to take her bone away from her.
@JackalSniperSnipez
@JackalSniperSnipez 5 жыл бұрын
Contrabass trombone trigger and what it does
@aarondrek8945
@aarondrek8945 4 жыл бұрын
Jackalsnipahz Oneoneseven I am definitely no expert but as far as I know, many of them do the same thing as Bass trombone triggers, just bigger😂
@lilbigrigw9904
@lilbigrigw9904 7 жыл бұрын
f triggers are also known as f attachment
@williealexander4513
@williealexander4513 5 жыл бұрын
That bad boy base get low with the tubas
@soupdrinker
@soupdrinker 4 жыл бұрын
I have closed wrap 😔👌👌
@matthewlockyer5571
@matthewlockyer5571 7 жыл бұрын
just use them for trills......
@Hababa2
@Hababa2 7 жыл бұрын
Matthew Lockyer actually it doesn't work that well, it sounds bad because of the time between rotating the tube makes no sound so there are holes in the trill
@ja_e314
@ja_e314 4 жыл бұрын
I play the regular trombone.
@stolentictac4919
@stolentictac4919 6 жыл бұрын
It turns them into a rifle
@AnabaticPat
@AnabaticPat 3 жыл бұрын
Hello fascinating internet corner
@Capnbeaner
@Capnbeaner 8 жыл бұрын
I miss my bass trombone... can I have yours? Lol
@wwemario12345
@wwemario12345 8 жыл бұрын
I can't give you one, but you can give me one.
@tiarascott4127
@tiarascott4127 6 жыл бұрын
Lil
@tiarascott4127
@tiarascott4127 6 жыл бұрын
Lol
@johnjohnson7425
@johnjohnson7425 7 жыл бұрын
Are there triggers oriented a different way for left handed players
@carsonstephens2508
@carsonstephens2508 7 жыл бұрын
John Johnson what do you mean? There are only right handed trombones
@atommtf2850
@atommtf2850 7 жыл бұрын
Carson Stephens are you like gay or something you can turn the slide
@bryangray9279
@bryangray9279 7 жыл бұрын
FusionTech Gaming The trigger is on the right...
@mal2ksc
@mal2ksc 6 жыл бұрын
No. You could have modifications done for this -- the valves themselves wouldn't have to be changed but the actual touchpieces and levers would have to be re-fabricated or at least severely altered-- but as far as I know, nobody actually ships them that way from the factory.
@djdavisiscool
@djdavisiscool 6 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter what hand you are it's played with your right hand. like you play woodwinds with your left hand on top and right on bottom
@shannonsimble77
@shannonsimble77 9 жыл бұрын
And you also look left out that you can use it in the second note of the b flat scale
@MRIDNETGUY2004
@MRIDNETGUY2004 8 жыл бұрын
Why is is there a gas can under the table
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 8 жыл бұрын
+spcsyracuse 1056 because this is my garage.
@MRIDNETGUY2004
@MRIDNETGUY2004 8 жыл бұрын
ok and i play a yamaha tenor trigger trombone
@wddgaming2576
@wddgaming2576 4 жыл бұрын
I play a f attachment in class
@winstonelston5743
@winstonelston5743 6 жыл бұрын
Reading the comments, it looks like some of your viewers are trigger-happy.
@theturtlerguy1236
@theturtlerguy1236 2 жыл бұрын
My dad played trombone in middle school and I'm thinking of getting him a $89 rotor yamaha trombone
@theturtlerguy1236
@theturtlerguy1236 2 жыл бұрын
Nevermind it's a scam website
@isaacshaw1596
@isaacshaw1596 Жыл бұрын
I can certainly tell you have a bias towards Trombones which is understandable you typically have bias with instruments you start learning from early. One thing I will say unless I haven't understood the purpose of the video, trumpets and instruments like that very rarely if ever need to change there fundamental pitch. With Trombones it's more necessary because of the slide. Trombones are an interesting instrument and I have never fully appreciated the complexities and as a composer sometimes they are a pain to write for. Triggers another matter, in the science of brass tuning, you get a contra out and really you only have 5 slide positions if you have any triggers that decreases. With normal trombones that most people can access in terms of slide positions that effect is still there and in fact this whole twiddly obsession you have is far trickier to achieve properly on a trombone. I write for brass band myself and without actually playing the trombone it often becomes tricky to write for them because something that is easy on valved instruments in terms of intervals at a decent speed become incredibly tricky for trombone. So to be honest they are just a pain to write for. I conducted a practice where I just told the trombones just to play what they found easiest because I couldn't be bothered with the amount of questions and issues they had because of what problems slides causes.
@peytoncox8146
@peytoncox8146 7 жыл бұрын
TRIGGERD wait, someone beat me to this comment?
@MarkSmith-uo7vc
@MarkSmith-uo7vc 7 жыл бұрын
There's one behind u
@billygarvey633
@billygarvey633 7 жыл бұрын
TUNA IS HERE one what
@MarkSmith-uo7vc
@MarkSmith-uo7vc 7 жыл бұрын
Billy Garvey nvm I'm imagining things
@battalion8736
@battalion8736 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder how his four slice toaster is doing
@TrentHamilton
@TrentHamilton 5 жыл бұрын
It’s doing great! It’s lasted a long time too.
@battalion8736
@battalion8736 5 жыл бұрын
@@TrentHamilton XD cool!
@MmANCZ
@MmANCZ 7 жыл бұрын
I feel triggered
@majcrash
@majcrash 6 жыл бұрын
You've got to figure out which one goes in which hole
@FanPlastic
@FanPlastic 7 жыл бұрын
triggered
@samd7476
@samd7476 7 жыл бұрын
You god damn feminist!
@jadewolf3094
@jadewolf3094 7 жыл бұрын
bit tryhard are we?
@jakesizer6483
@jakesizer6483 7 жыл бұрын
When you say f I thought you said if
@cobalt._.27
@cobalt._.27 5 жыл бұрын
I guess that Trent was a little trigger happy. :)
@josephbrainard441
@josephbrainard441 5 жыл бұрын
It's called an F Extender.
@cock-a-doodle-do7387
@cock-a-doodle-do7387 6 жыл бұрын
You look a little triggered...
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