Why Do We Love The Exterminator?

Today, we get back into touch with an old stealthy friend.
Exterminator MF Record Sheet: (Updated to deal with Heavy Flamers needing ammo) www.dropbox.co...
References: Operation Klondike, Land of Dreams by Randall Bills, Visions of Rebirth by Randall N Bills, No Tears by Craig A Reed, Succession Wars TRO, TROs 2750, 3025, 3050, XTRO Comstar, IlClan Rec Guide 14, No Greater Fear
Thank you to Dwane Loose, Anthony Scroggins, Matt Plog, Bishop Steiner, Alan Blackwell, Chris Lowry, Dale Eadeh, Harri Kallio, Loston Wallace, and all the other BattleTech artists that have brought the IP to life through their amazing work.
BattleTech imagery and mech info remains the property of Topps.
Some imagery/video from Pixabay
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[@MechanicalFrog]

There was a mistake at the 1:45 mark. I re-used the title card from the Ion Sparrow and the "20 ton omni-mech" didn't get erased. I apologize for this error. Obviously, the Exterminator is not a 20 ton Omni-mech.

[@thil2894]

To be fair It would a very spicy 20 tons and I would not challenge clan Coyote to make one.

[@andresabourin2423]

I love the idea of a 20 ton mech being called "Exterminator" though.

[@pete7872]

Too late, 20 Ton Exterminator is now canon.

[@ambientlight3876]

Lol I noticed that.

[@merkarion7883]

^^ Mistakes Happen^^ I wondered why you did not talked about the Royal Exterminator EXT-4Db (XL-Engine, 6/9/6, 1 ER-Large Laser in the Right Arm, 6 Medium Laser (2 Mediums each Torso Side and 2 Mediums in Center Torso), 1 Small Laser in the Head, Endo Steel, 13 tons of Standard Armor and 11 Double Heatsinks. The Mech has enough free Space so that a Chameleon Light Polariation Shield could be used (it is not known if it did). The EXT-4Db was the Mech of Andrej Kerensky durng Operation Klondike (and he died in it when Nicholas Kerenskys Wife send a Star of Assasins to kill him and make him a Martyr to further Nicholas Plans for the Clans...it seems Nicholas did not know about it, but he also seems not extremely disturbed) PS: The entry for the EXT-4Db in Sarna ist not correct. You need to look into Operation Klondike Record Sheets to get the correct data.

[@scytheseven9173]

The most fundamental problem with the Exterminator is it would simply have more weight to play with at 5 tons lighter (at 60 tons), with a 300 or 360 XL engine. It doesn't use its maximum armor so the larger chassis is mostly wasted.

[@JoshuaCairns]

This mech holds a place in my heart that logic can't define. I've loved it since it first came out, even if doesn't play like it reads.

[@catboxvideo]

I am right there with you chummer ... i loved the look and apparently (per MFs description ) must have played it 'safe' though i am having a hard time seeing that ever happening :)

[@anselmoffrisia2930]

Im not a huge fan of something that's a huge threat in the lore but can't be too OP on tabletop. Interesting video as always!

[@MechanicalFrog]

It at least did better over time.

[@MrNachtwulf]

Exterminators are a joke. I'd literally rather have a Whitworth. It's more powerful.

[@psychkosys]

We saw one of these in a long standing tabletop MechWarrior campaign. It was liberated from a star league cache we were also searching for and we had to fight it and a couple other 2750 mechs. The game master came up with special rulea for the null signature system as advanced rules for it did not exist yet. Those homebrew rules made it effective as the books portrayed, it was hard to hit and even disabled our command mech.

[@Somewhat-Evil]

The null-sig and chameleon systems were restricted to Exterminators and Spectors assigned to SL Spec Ops groups (Blackhearts). My own head canon has the 4D model being a Royal SLDF "fast cavalry" mech typically used as a recon-hunter/killer.

[@gregbird5684]

All this time watching your vids and I just noticed elemental frogs 🐸 mouth is moving ..... I guess u really do learn something new every day😅 Thanks for your content😊

[@MechanicalFrog]

A lot of effort went into that. Glad when people notice.

[@Tatsu_of_Liao]

Historically under-appreciated, but incredibly useful ‘Mech. Thanks, Frog!

[@MechanicalFrog]

It can definitely be of use, carefully.

[@77professional]

Insert Predator clicking sounds.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Uh oh...

[@covahredro8370]

As soon as you complained about the Light PPCs my first thought was replace them with a Snubnose PPC. That and I also thought for a mech named the Exterminator it was lacking a war crime weapon like a Flamer and need one And that what the MF version did lol

[@MechanicalFrog]

Great minds... :D

[@roguerifter9724]

The 4DB is one of my two favorite Star League era Mechs (The other being the Lancelot LNC25-01X) Edit: Out of curiosity why was the 4DB left out of the video? The MF looks fun.

[@fergie89]

@@roguerifter9724 I was wondering where it was too. Great mech.

[@thecommuterzombie]

I like that MF variant and the ilClan era one. The earlier variants don't quite match the lore hype for me but I'm going to try and make the 4D work in a Tukayyid campaign regardless.

[@MechanicalFrog]

It's definitely a loadout that improves as the timeline progresses.

[@lexington476]

Another good video Frog, 4 out of 5. But I'm surprised you didn't put a plasma cannon on the MF version, I mean not only did you put a flamer it you put a heavy flamer on it 🙂.

[@scytheseven9173]

Thanks for the video! It was funny hearing you come up with so many synonyms for "exterminate." I really like the MF variant!

[@MechanicalFrog]

We've got to find ways to laugh these days.

[@Raist474]

"Like a drunk NASCAR fan being tazed by the local PD." Speaking from experience Toad?

[@MechanicalFrog]

My legal team has advised me not to answer this question.

[@OptimusJedi]

I love the lore of this Mech and the mini is pretty cool looking. Rules wise it is a bit of a dud though especially without any stealth tech.

[@MechanicalFrog]

It's definitely a mech that does better on the tabletop with age.

[@therakshasan8547]

You work so hard for your channel , appreciate that .

[@MechanicalFrog]

Thank you.

[@downix]

I have to say, the MF version is very close to my own custom build of the Exterminator. Nice!

[@MechanicalFrog]

Sweet!

[@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462]

"EXTERMINATE!" Me: "Get that stupid Dalek out of the cockpit before it hurts itself."

[@MechanicalFrog]

Mrs.MechFrog used to be very into that show. I never really got it.

[@EdmondHiggins]

I love this thing. It is a bit fragile, but it is a great way to start advancing new players into the some of the more wild tech. I like to set up a kind of "perfect conditions" for newer players using fancy mechs to really make some great "Did you see that!" moments. A few fun table top moments later and the "New Guy" is bringing his custom Solaris mech with a dang RISC Hyper Laser. Extra good variant on this one.

[@nurgle333]

Hyper laser? What is hyper laser?

[@EdmondHiggins]

I 'think' it is in Interstellar Operations, it is a Republic of the Sphere failed super weapon based on Clan heavy laser tech. It does 20 damage and explodes if hit. It may be the piece of tech that is on the fewest mechs in any TRO@@nurgle333

[@oliver7102]

The common load out seems geared towards a raiding mech but lacks the weaponry of a hunter killer mech. I would add a Gauss Rifle and med pulse lasers to give this mech a knockout ability.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Something with a big punch would be nice.

[@mattmelton7389]

With every MF variant I wonder what infantry hurt you. Then I realize they're probably all dead now.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Embrace the purifying flame.

[@krissteel4074]

The jungle, it came alive and took him! They aren't a bad 65tonner, the extra armour will help when you inevitably bite off more than you can chew and most of the weapon loadouts are kind of 'so-so'. Does it live up to its name as an Exterminator? I'm sort of not quite sold on it being that but it would have some really good uses finding enemies and not getting blown away by them immediately as soon as it got into range, plus its plenty fast for doing the GTFO maneuver Personally, I would like to have seen it given something spiky or for bashing other robots- set of claws, retractable blade, big hatchet etc I think having one pop up and remove all your back armour or head knocked off would have contributed to the pants shitting terror it was supposed to inflict on enemy forces

[@MechanicalFrog]

This is why so many battlefield commanders are painting their mechs brown?

[@krissteel4074]

@@MechanicalFrog That may have also started when they came across clan heavy omni mechs! :)

[@strcmdrbookwyrm]

This is a good video. While the only thing that really notable about the original Exterminator is it's slick design and maybe it's speed, I liked how it gets a bit of a "redemption ark" as the tech it's supposed to have had becomes available. If I did get my hands on a 4D, the low-tech tweaks I'd make would be to drop the engine to a XL325. I'd also swap all the lasers to their pulse forms, add about 2 tons of armor, and another double heat sink or two. I'd still have 2-3 tons left over and I don't know what I'd do with them. More lasers, maybe? Anyway, I think with even that "minor" tweak it helps it slide into it's head hunter role a little better, even if it's moving at a more average speed. Can't wait for whatever is coming next!

[@Gigas0101]

I like the idea of the Ilkhan era Exterminator getting variable speed pulse lasers, it reminds me of a quote from Aqua Teen Hunger Force; "...I'd just run towards the nearest living thing, and kill it."

[@camerancole8433]

The mini from Snor's irregular's with the jump jet trail is incredible!

[@MechanicalFrog]

Quite good.

[@KeystoneCarcajou]

You missed the clan refits, and the Royal.

[@MechanicalFrog]

I wouldn't say I've been missing them, Bob.

[@rmcdudmk212]

I like the MechFrog variant of the Exterminator. But then again I'm a fan of the mech and it's little brother the Grim Reaper. Great video. 👍

[@MechanicalFrog]

I'm glad it has its supporters.

[@KageRyuu6]

No idea why you dropped the NSS on the MF variant. Personally, would've gone with an ER Flamer and LAMS though.

[@MechanicalFrog]

I dunno... spite maybe... *shrug*

[@tripwire31]

The Exterminator is my favorite mech to play with, well the 4C to be specific. The Exterminator is a Battlemech that does an amazing job regardless of the variant.(Yes even including the 3rd Succession War FWL downgrade) it's a staggered fire runner that jumps in and out of cover any chance it can. The iNarc platform and the more niche support platform made by the WoB are fun gimmick mechs, but the Comstar refit with CLPS like the original and the "standard" 4D are brutes on the board for being a skirmish mech. The only variant I'm mixed on is the new ilClan rec guide version, or really any version that drops the jump jets, since the mech works best with them as a 5/8/5 platform. Again, this machine is my favorite in the setting, it's the epitome of a nightmare made reality and I love every inch of that mech. Plus it looks amazing.

[@MechanicalFrog]

It definitely has some charm.

[@ambientlight3876]

Generally speaking, I find the Exterminator to be 'ok' but not truly living up to being a hunter killer mech. Its ammo based weapons are counterintuitive to something that is supposed to be in the field for extended periods of time, and it simply lacks the firepower it should need for such a role. Of course, I've played with my own variants, including a 3025 variant that was little more than a PPC armed lighter version of the Grasshopper. I also created an ER PPC version with stealth armor and a supercharger, as well as improved Jump Jets...

[@Primearch-GG]

You can just hear the mech pilots and players chanting "Exterminate! Exterminate!" On the open comms/attack phase...

[@MechanicalFrog]

I'm sure that wouldn't get old.

[@ianclark3571]

Extirpate: To root out and destroy completely.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Gesundheit.

[@KeiNova]

That opening quote really made me want to seek out the old Battletech novels. I'm still trying to just get into the game, though I have no community.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Every once in a while there's a good sale on the old novel pdfs. Audible has a few good classics too.

[@KeiNova]

@@MechanicalFrog thanks I might start getting that going tonight

[@Roknese]

Finally my favorite mech gets a spotlight

[@leonasmith6180]

E RAD E CATED, you asked, Leona

[@MechanicalFrog]

mystery solved.

[@meining-mech4378]

Never used the Exterminator on the tabletop, so I cant say much to its performance. I would like to try one out just to see what shenanigans I can do with it, maybe the 4D for starts. The lack of a dedicated primary weapon leaves it a bit underwhelming. The MechFrog Variant I like for that snub-nose PPC so it can finally deliver a nasty hit in one shot (admittedly the closer you get). Art wise, It grew on me over time. I like the sort of smoothed over look of the original, but the new CGL art is great too.

[@madcat3525]

Great video! Looking forward to more videos.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Harasser Missile Platform today!

[@flushmastercyclonis186]

MF variant, showing that sometimes there is such a thing as anemotional support flamethrower.

[@MechanicalFrog]

*supportive fire noises*

[@Robo-kz3nr]

I wish there was some kind of open-market variant, atleast in the Ilclan

[@MechanicalFrog]

Hopefully in good time.

[@kierdalemodels]

I love the look of it and it has some great artwork featuring it. I have one and in AlphaStrike it’s okay. Not a particularly heavy hitter, but it isn’t expensive for a heavy.👍 Thanks again for a great vid.

[@MechanicalFrog]

It does have a cool look. I'm glad the newer variants bring it up to its stealthy ideal.

[@Ironclockwork]

...I'm just glad that Locusts and Fleas don't turn into Exterminators if they reach the far opposite end of the battlefield.

[@MechanicalFrog]

That would sure change the dynamic...

[@catboxvideo]

I made an Exterminator IIC following the introduction of IICs all of those years ago. I followed the idea of dropping weight for cost savings, it is still 7/11/6, LRM 10 (2 tns ammor) 4 ERML AMS ECM Active Probe w/ 6 tns armor ... is great for hunting Wasps, Stingers, Valks, etc. made a 6/9/6 that had additional SRM 6 (1 tn ammo) ERSL 3 ERML ECM AP LRM 10(2 tns ammo). I like the two tons of LRM as it can be used for Mines, or Smoke as well as direct attack. The SRMs on the slower were an added crit seeker. Personally I always loved the original art of this mech and even though it had no bells or whistles of star league i had a character run one for many many campaigns ... it has so many replacement weapons over the years - i swear every one of its lasers was a different manufacture by the end... his son had it into the clan invasion by the time he left the fields of battle, it had been upgraded with 4 clan er ML, 1 ATM9 (2 tns ammo) the orig AMS and ferro armor - the 1/5 for the small put on in armor. .. the fun of having long running campaigns back in the day

[@covahredro8370]

As a previous chess player I get that reference about the Queen.

[@MechanicalFrog]

A bit of an entry-level reference but, it worked.

[@lukedudley5030]

I quite like the faster heavies but when it's the biggest guy you have the exterminator is a bit of a victim...another fun watch :-)

[@matthewneuendorf5763]

I can't help but think we're missing a re-engineered laser Exterminator. Roll up with all the stealth tech on that CO in his Hardened Armor and then just tear it to pieces before fading away.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Hmm... Might need to try this.

[@sim.frischh9781]

The Exterminator is one awesome looking mech, almost like a blade. And the latest artwork by Alan Blackwell looks fantastic, i love it. On the other hand, capabilities-wise, the mech is kinda lacking. It sacrifices too much for speed IMO. Granted, that gives it the capability to get where it needs to be when it needs to be there, but the weapons are awfully limited, most other 65-tonners have significantly more. At least the LRMs give it long range indirect fire support capability while the medium lasers are solid for short range engagements. Yet it seems like a one-trick-pony.

[@JohnDoe-oh7gf]

Well the redesign by C-Labs is grand. And your vid did give it a huge target on its back. Im gonna have to swap it out once I get any 65 t mech generated. Cheers

[@MechanicalFrog]

Happy hunting.

[@biancamitchell-x3f]

Thank you

[@MechanicalFrog]

Welcome!

[@TheWolf2694]

Not going to lie. I was expecting some plasma on that MF variant. Overheating your target make makes it easy to hunt down.

[@MechanicalFrog]

It is always a temptation.

[@1nONLY_DRock]

I like this mech for the looks alone! The stats... not so much. Especially in Alpha Strike. Way too lightly armored for its tonnage. But at least it's fast. Also, if they vent the heat through the feet, wouldn't that leave huge heated footprints on infrared making it easier to track?

[@MechanicalFrog]

We have to suspend a lot of disbelief when it comes to the advanced technology described in the early lore.

[@1nONLY_DRock]

@@MechanicalFrog fair enough. But I think I'll use it as a plausible reason how these things got hunted down to near extinction

[@Mr._Anderpson]

Just dropping a comment for the mathematic sorcery which determines how videos perform.

[@haileysaint5443]

I don't mind the Exterminator, though the best variant (imo) is the EXT-4C with the Null-Sig CLPS systems. The MechFrog variant isn't bad, either. As always, I've created my own variants. Yes, variants, as in 'more than one'. The first one, the EXT-4ISM, makes the Exterminator into more of an infantry-/Battle Armor-hunter design. It goes for mixed-tech, using an Clan XL engine, Clan DHS, and a few Clan weapons. In the right torso I placed an IS Plasma Rifle with 2 tons of ammo, while a pair of Clan ER Medium Lasers are carried in the left. Rounding out its offensive power is a pair of Clan Micro Pulse Lasers in each arm. The second variant, the EXT-4ISM-2, has the same base stats and such, though its armor is Clan Standard rather than IS Standard. While it lacks an AMS or L-AMS (like the first ISM variant), it's geared more for 'Mech vs 'Mech combat with a right arm Large Re-Engineered Laser and a pair of left arm Medium Pulse Lasers. Both of the ISM variants would rely upon their Null-Sig and CLPS systems to get close to targets, but infantry and Battle Armor would definitely need to be wary which version is after them.

[@MechanicalFrog]

You do like your Re-Engineered lasers. :D

[@catboxvideo]

Exactly, awarness patience memory concentration all of those ... it is also something she and i do together, dad and daughter activity. Istarted teaching her last summer at a public over sized set at a local water front. Your vids are fantastic... hrmm need to put you and your tadpole against my littles and i in megamek 😂

[@Brigand231]

I think I'm suffering from the Mandella effect as it feels like we've already seen a video for the Exterminator or at least discussed it in the comments. Weird. It certainly has a fun history and reputation to say the least.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Just wait until we get to the 40 ton Berenstein Bear.

[@michaelkimberling7307]

You know with how it says it’s shunting the excess heat of a fusion engine towards the ground. It makes me wonder if it leaves scorched plants and glass sand footprints wherever it goes.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Probably. Could be useful for clearing pine needles...

[@michaelkimberling7307]

@@MechanicalFrog that would’ve been useful at my parents house those things get everywhere

[@Andrewlik]

The EXT-4C is the one with all the fancy tech - there is a sheet for that and rules in TacOps AU

[@MechanicalFrog]

Aff.

[@MZA-b3e]

I really like this typo since it'd imply that the average 4d pilot just carries around a 20 ton omnimech like a baby or smth

[@MechanicalFrog]

Let's go with that.

[@jeremysaklad6703]

The EXT-MF lacks a way to hide from sensors entirely: the Chameleon Light Polarization Shield doesn't help with that, and the ECM Suite will tip off enemies that something is jamming them. I'd have gone with the Null Signature System, which *does* hide the 'Mech without any indication it is nearby. Stealth armor (like the Kontio, which is honestly way better in this niche) and the Void Signature System can also do that.

[@hurnn1543]

Exterminator = Fat Phoenix Hawk

[@covahredro8370]

It looks like the Assassin's bigger brother.

[@MechanicalFrog]

A little bit... Ah! Now I can't unsee it!

[@jasonfarley9025]

This 'mech was my first experience with the advertising not matching performance. But with the reborn Stealth tech it should be able to achieve what it originally claimed. I am curious to see Stealth Armour and Nul Signature Systems on the tabletop.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Yep they definitely get better with age.

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

This is a fine example of a mech that is amazing in fiction, but the game rules simply do not allow that to be the case on the tabletop. My house rules modification to allow for this is to add to the effect of the stealth systems. I change them for each system as follows. book rules: +1 medium, +2 long house rules: +1 short, +2 medium, +3 long, +5 extreme This takes the mech to +6 to hit at long range making it much more in line with the fiction. Just make sure you put in a limit on the number of mechs that can be in game with these systems so as to keep it in it's 'specialized' and rare class, or the game will become completely unbalanced.

[@cobalt968]

I’m honestly a bit surprised that House Davion hasn’t come out with their own Exterminator variant or substitute. They can already replicate the CLPS for production model Scarecrows, and they’ve shown an affinity for high damage energy weapons since Kurita started using Hardened and Reinforced armor. While I’m still a bit biased against FedRat stuff, this really seems like something that they should and could do.

[@MechanicalFrog]

They're probably working out how to put some ballistics weapons on it.

[@cobalt968]

@@MechanicalFrogan invisible improved heavy Gauss rifle DOES sound pretty tempting.

[@derekburge5294]

Also the personal ride of Kerensky's less broken son. That's worth something, yeah?

[@MechanicalFrog]

Glorious end...

[@derekburge5294]

@@MechanicalFrog I heard he fell taking on five assault mechs!

[@MechanicalFrog]

That is the rumor.

[@Yacovo]

Sad the lore doesn't meet up to the mechanics. Thanks for the video

[@MechanicalFrog]

Thankfully, the newer variants get close.

[@bthsr7113]

I can see the successor states targeting this puppy as a priority asset to control or destroy given the sneak tech, but I feel like the prime armaments are suboptimal to capitalize on said sneak tech. Usually you'd want Gauss head clipping or some other kind of knockout punch. A generalized loadout can work on a stealth, but being able to end a fight quicker is usually better when you're already springing for the good toys to get into position without being detected or effectively target locked. Because if you have to start slugging it out and range bracketing, you've lost the element of surprise. Now, maybe you've already done enough damage or evaded enough before the straight fire fight to have made it worth it, but fading away and eliminating witnesses seems harder than it would ideally be here. Though the prime loadout is quite nice for a generalist heavy. As is the 4A. I like the 5E, but I'm a sucker for combined arms systems even ones that are only great in theory. Also load Nemesis pods for maximum, "F_ck you in particular." 7X is just a mess. Do not want. Your MF variant seems best suited to rival the Scarecrow.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Yeah it's hard to pack on the weaponry needed to put a mech down AND the stealth gear required to get you there. Opportunity cost is a cruel mistress.

[@Heatx79]

EXT MF just became THE Exterminator 🫡

[@MechanicalFrog]

Sneaky Frog.

[@mikecampos1193]

Isn't that Comstar and Cappellans favorite mech because they they always go after the head of company in the battlefield.

[@mtswenson85]

Why didn't you put angle ecm on the exterminator guardian is the older version . And off hand question what's up with tag is it only for artillery? Back in the day we used it for lrm. Thank you enjoyed the video.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Because we can't have nice things. TAG is for artillery and Arrow IV. NARCs work with LRMs though.

[@JosephMitchell-zw3db]

I loved it we never found the rolls for it till2000

[@georgesulea]

I'm very surprised... no plasma rifle in the MF variant? 😊

[@MechanicalFrog]

Gotta keep you guessing.

[@georgesulea]

@@MechanicalFrog 🤣

[@TheStraycat74]

3035 full clan tech rebuild EXT-6A Exterminator, 6/9/6, armor factor 211. 65 tons, 3.25 tons endo steel, 23 tons XL engine and DHS, 7 ton standard cockpit and gyro, 11 tons fero-fiberous, 6 tons of jump jets, leaving 14.75 tons of pod space. PRIME: 2 Streak SRM-4 and 1t ammo(case) (R/LT), 4 ERML (R/LA two in each), Targeting Computer (H), MG and 0.5 ton ammo(case) (RA), 3 DHS (R/LL, CT) ALT CONFIG: swaps out streaks for LRM-10's, otherwise it's the same. minus the extra DHS

[@beskar66]

Love me the exterminator it and the spector are some of the coolest mechs in the lore..... just which they where slightly better on the tabletop to help match up with their lore

[@MechanicalFrog]

They are definitely getting better with age.

[@egaroadkill8701]

I've always felt that the 4D was never armed properly for head hunting. All that sneaky technology suggested it could get in close so why the LRM? SRM's seem the better fit, as well as a flamer. An elite head hunter would sneak in close, turn the target into flambe with inferno's and the flamer, then backstab with lasers and another SRM hit. Exchanging the M Lasers for Pulse lasers would be nice but heat and weight might cause issue.

[@defiantmechwarrior2397]

The mf variant is close to what I was thinking. Ra snub. La twin pulse med. Lt srm4 with art. JJ and supercharger. I believe there a little left over add armor

[@MechanicalFrog]

Add armor if there's some mass left over. No big deal.

[@fenny1578]

Exterminator? I just met her!

[@MechanicalFrog]

*drum rimshot*

[@Finleymcg]

I start painting one and you release this? Are you spying on me? 😜 But anyway, it seems perfectly reasonable that someone would try to make a stealth mech, what with the number of stealth tank concepts in the real world.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Spying? Me? By the way you need more eggs. You're almost out.

[@stormcrow28]

The 4C is the official model with the Chameleon Light Polarization Shield and the Null Signature system, both which have rules in TacOps. The 4D is the monkey model which Comstar, the Clans and the Successor states inherited The Clans also had the Exterminator 4C and 4db, but hated the stealth systems so it went poof. Ironically stealth armor is based on the CPS and Null Sig, which the Capellans copied and built into a lesser but still useful feature

[@joshlong9140]

Great video, thanks MF.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@keebbles]

I modded an exterminator to live upto its name. TSM + Battlefist + RAA (reinforced arm actuators) in arms. JJ std Sprawlings. Pair of 3 ton hatchets, one held in each hand. Battlefists are backup to hatchets should they get dropped. Last few tons of carry weight were bolt on disposables changed for missions or arena duels. Weapons in arms changed to pair small pulse lasers on each. But torso upgraded to hold weapons that could be used in melee. 325 Vox std fusion engine with 10 DHS. 5/8/4 profile. SRM 6 with 1.5 tons mixed utility ammo in case. In LT. RT med range weapons were a snubbie and CT and Head had medium ERs. Head also sported an armored cowl, which made ejection sys require a full head ejection sys. ECM, Beagle or active probe to help find and target infantry, movers, and stealthy mechs. Retains IR baffles and had room for stealth armor/sys upgrade, but I had no points/tech available or c-bills for it. Alternatively, you could drop the hatchets for a plasma rifle or pair of laser pistols with limited shots. My intent was to make a headhunter actually capable of taking a mech's Head and carting it off. Rest of tonnage reserved for armor.

[@isaacrubin9606]

How about Caine “I’m not officially a Gunslinger” Barclay’s personal tricked-out machine? I think it’s the only time I’ve seen laser insulators used.

[@MechanicalFrog]

I saw it but figured one experimental/one-of machine was enough to try to restrain the video time a bit.

[@nukenuked5749]

thanks mate need a good video to watch before bed mate thanks frog oh hows atlas the cat going my horse is doing ok got to ask if you done a video on painting a mech in the NEC patten let me know even what 40k paint i need :) thanks again frog

[@michaelmoolick9419]

I just wonder at the idea of heavy flamer in the head on the MF variant. Toasty fire so close. If I were a pilot 's rather swap it with an arm laser so a lucky crit couldn't take out all three.

[@jasonhenninger8220]

5/8(10)/5, XL engine, supercharger, Endo-composite, 13t Armor, 16DHS, 6 ER-Md Lasers, Streak6 (1t A), Angel ECM, Targeting computer, Chameleon system (BV2 2335)

[@MechanicalFrog]

Sounds like a nasty stealthy version.

[@dwwolf4636]

5 Er med lasers, snubnose PPC, Capacitor. no streak. 12.5 tons armor

[@catboxvideo]

Heeeyyy... I am teaching my five year old daughter how to play chess... shogi and table top battletech are on the list for up coming games she wants to learn. she already plays HBS BTA - loves physical attacks and literally kicking people to the floor and yelling "Welcome to the Floor!!!" maybe a little bit of a chess nerd,

[@MechanicalFrog]

That's awesome. Teaching a child chess is a great way to impart patience and thinking things through before acting.

[@Kingofdragons117]

The 7X Exterminator repulses me. They could easily change some stuff around to get the engine to an XL and still get the knife fighter they want. MRM seems like a waste of tonnage.

[@MechanicalFrog]

It's definitely not for everyone.

[@JefferyCuddletrousers]

Error in the text on screen. It says 20tons for the first version.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Yep. I re-used the template and missed clearing that text. I apologize.

[@ChaosTicket]

Oh I kind of hate the Exterminator by itself. Its so wrong. Its got a huge engine with only light weaponry. Its a Quickdraw, but even more impractical. It could be a "bully mech" that specifically targets lighter mechs. It would be good at hunting Wasps. Its not a good idea to send a 15million+ Cbill mechs versus mechs worth 1/10th of its cost though. But then you have it as a platform for the Chameleon Light Polarization System. Now then it has an actual mission profile as a hunter-killer for and against commanders.The Exterminator is okay with that, but theres another mech, the light Spector, that uses both Chameleon LPS and a Null-Signature Generator. If people allow it then Chameleon LPS and a Null Sig-Generator should be used, because they cause so many accuracy penalties on the tabletop. The Clans still technically have them and in fact one clan faction, The Society, made both and applied them to make the Cephalus electronic warfare mech.

[@MechanicalFrog]

The Null and Chameleon paring is nasty on an already fast-moving mech. Really really difficult to hit.

[@jamesbeard5513]

Lore wise, it is pretty nice. Tabletop, not so much. As the standard 4D is, it makes more of a cavalry mech or something heavier being part of a faster unit than usual, similar in concept to the Linebacker in that way, if just weaker with Inner Sphere weapons and equipment.

[@laggybum3218]

I would love to see this in MWO.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Stealth in MWO would be crazy.

[@gregkun1]

I have variant of this mech with all IS tech which is rare for me only because the Gm forced me to do it. lol Cost: BV: 1,510 Cost: 17,471,025 C-bills Movement: 6/9 Engine: 390 XL Double Heat Sinks: 16 [32] Cockpit: Small Cockpit Gyro: XL Gyro Internal: 104 (Endo-Steel) Armor: 192/211 (Stealth) weapon's: 6x Medium Pulse lasers 2 in LA & RA, 1 in LT & RT LAMS in the LT Equipment: ECM Suite (Guardian) in HD Active Probe (Beagle) in LT Stealth LL

[@Takantwins]

A conceptually cool but somewhat flawed tabletop design for sure. CPLS I feel should be a given for the unit and without it, it feels somewhat naked. Love the MF version though, always love me a Snubby

[@mathewkelly9968]

While im a fan of the Exterminator the Capellan in me says this is not how you design a stealth mech , where's the ranged weapons ?

[@AMX0009]

Hmm what if we start with a ext 4d. Switch out the armor with clan stealth sourced from the spector lines. And a clan lrm 10. Using that saved weight for a half ton more armor, and lowering the engine to a 380xl and using the saved weight for a guardian ecm and 4 c or is medium pulses and a targeting computer. All this off the top of my head. By doing this we could save a ton on refits in the feild with this pack age alone

[@riptors9777]

A specialist that has trouble fullfilling other battlefield roles then search and destroy and hit n run. The exterminator comes across as a speedier quickdraw with marginally lower firepower. Wich considering its 5 tons heavier... is not so great considering the quickdraw being a poor mans heavy mech to begin with. The exterminators meager firepower puts it at a real disadvantage against equally sized mechs, or even heavier medium mechs. It is best used as a melee combatant but even there it has to pick its targets wisely due to its low armor wich makes it vulnerable to counter attacks. As a merc this one is tricky to recommend. Its nearly extinct status during the 3025s makes it allmost impossible to aquire so its not even an option. Later on after it re-entered production an aspiring merc commander has to understand that the exterminator is not a frontline unit, nor does it have the flexibility of other designs. It might be a good pick for merc units that focus on target liquidiation, industrial sabotage and hit and run tactics though. The Exterminator also makes a decent guerillia fighter thanks to its basic weapons loadout and its 9 hex jump range, allowing it to strike and disapear as needed, provided theres difficult terrain to exploit. Lastly the machine has a reputation of being difficult to maintain, so unless you have some veteran or elite mechtechs you might want to skip on this one before it falls apart in your hangar or your mechtechs rebel because of overwork. All of these reasons make the exterminator a mech I would only recommend to seasoned units with the necesary experience and bank account. Mercs who are starting out or are just getting into the thick of things should prolly avoid fielding this machine. My last bit of advice is: The exterminator is a dagger that you jab into the back of the enemy. So.. dont bring a dagger to a gun fight XD

[@tallestgesse6125]

I have tried the 4D a few times always found it a bit underwhelming

[@MechanicalFrog]

It struggles without the fancy gear.

[@fmailaender]

I have a very fond memory of a game where an Exterminator 4Db duelled with a Yu Hung and cored it. (Of course the dice gods played favourites that day but I will not complain) The 6 Jumpjets were the key to disengage after overheating and cooling of a round or two.

[@Steiner5769]

What rule books have the heavy flamer stats in it?

[@MechanicalFrog]

Tactical Operations: Advanced Rules Pg124

[@Steiner5769]

@@MechanicalFrog Thanks :)

[@hermes7587]

The Exterminator in most of it´s iterations can´t meet the expections the name implies. It is basically a medium Mech with some excess weight. A main battery of only 4 medium lasers is not impressive for a heavy Mech and the single missile launcher does not have the punch to bring down any Mech within a reasonable amount of time. It could be argued that a highly mobile heavy Mech would be good in melee but unfortunately even this is not the case because the arms are not available for melee attacks due to the placement of the medium lasers. The Exterminator is a lackluster design that might have a role in spec ops but in a standard BT fight I would not have it in my force. It is not worth the costs.

[@mathewkelly9968]

Holy moly that -7X is terrible , like you're going to close on that Capellan Commander ive got in a Ti Ts'ang in a mech with an XXL engine and worse composite internal stucture ? Yes please i dare you . My Mercs have one of these and I'll still be using the 4D right upto the IlClan era until a more sensible variant is made up .

[@mathewkelly9968]

Your variant is half way there I think ........ But since you're taking the ECM why go the CLPS over stealth . Otherwise I really like this , I'd say I'd just take a 4D lose the AMS put an ECM and Stealth armour on , ER the lasers and I do really like your idea of swapping the LRM and ammo for a Snub Nose so I'd steal that .

[@truckingjoe7715]

I use 2 EXT-5E in my WoB

[@MechanicalFrog]

How does that work out?

[@truckingjoe7715]

@@MechanicalFrog really well. I use the Nemesis ammo with the iNarc to help lock down enemy lrm fire. The c3i integrates well with the celestial line, dropping the EXT into a more harassment role.