Why Do We Love the Jenner IIC?

Today we take a look at the Jenner IIC and what similarities and differences its history has with the other 2nd Line Clan IIC designs.
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[@BoisegangGaming]

"So howd the clans get the Jenner? Industrial sabotage?" "Drugs."

[@MechanicalFrog]

Heh

[@ghoulbuster1]

It was revealed to them in a dream.

[@BoisegangGaming]

@ghoulbuster1 ah yes the "it came to me in a dream" explanation. Just imagine being the nova cat pilot who has the weirdest dreams imaginable and is too embarrassed to speak up.

[@joshuaturnquist5538]

I mean, the backstory kinda makes sense. One of the best light mechs in the Inner Sphere gets taken back to the Cats and they are just like "oh yeah this is great, we need our own."

[@schitify]

Jenner IIC-3 is one of the cheapest narc beacon carrying mechs the clans can field. Given my personal enjoyment of the bane and ARAD ammo (clan smoke jags only good addition to clan tech) it makes a gunnery 2 jump 7 Jenner IIC look pretty appealing.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Slap a NARC on it along with an ECM and it would be incredible.

[@schitify]

Ecm would be nice for sure, esp for ghost targets if your table plays with those. But it's not required. If you're running with the bane you can usually cover your Jenner with smoke so getting +6 or +7 to your TMM is not impossible. Yeah, the cluster bonuses stack. It's stupid.

[@tomarmadiyer2698]

I came here for the Jenner Twosey. I saw bane and came...

[@ObiwanNekody]

Any Jenner IIC that manages to run out of ammo from shooting it has an impressive pilot.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Absolutely.

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

And LUCKY

[@sharlin648]

Having used a Jenner IIC standard recently, they're surprisingly nasty. Yes they don't hit hard, but unless you can open the range or have pulse lasers, a Jenner can use its speed to engage and disengage at will and they are HORRID to pin down. And 2 x SRM-6 and 1 x Streak-4 hurt a lot, and it can very quickly wittle down a light or Medium or deliver a very nasty punch to the back of something bigger. What the Jenner offers over its other rivals like the quite simply amazing Incubus (which is IMO better than many front line designs) is raw blistering speed, and agility. Its very fast, and can jump an immense distance that's largely unrivalled. The Jenner can run down any hostile light and has a hard enough punch to ablate through them quickly.

[@Ichaerus]

The Jenner IIC moves at the same speed as the Incubus. It can jump, whereas the Incubus has more armor, and different weapon loadout.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Fair. I can definitely see them being a pain.

[@meshuggahshirt]

Jenner IIC fixes the single biggest problem of the original Jenner: the jarring aesthetic gap of putting humanoid legs on a Jenner chassis It also has some neat weapon loadouts as a secondary perk

[@MechanicalFrog]

Heh. Well put.

[@KenshiImmortalWolf]

I remember when i was younger, it was not explained how they got teh Jenner IIC it wasn't given a proper story untill much later explaining the dragoons sent back some jenners back to the clans that the nova cat won the rights to study and replicate. but this wasn't a story that existed for a long time.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

You can tell it's a tabletop/online game fought on small maps - in reality scouts carry long range guns and use speed to keep the range open

[@Kasperl88]

The Jenner IIC totally has a saucer section, especially the classic Victor Musical Industries design.

[@shaunhall960]

I like that design feature of the mech.

[@MechanicalFrog]

It definitely looks cool.

[@Kasperl88]

@@MechanicalFrog I snagged one of the old "unseen" miniatures that I'm going to add some warp nacelles from an Akira class to.

[@HeadHunterSix]

it should have a full-head ejection system!

[@shaunhall960]

@@HeadHunterSix That would work well considering how it operates. ;)

[@HeadHunterSix]

That XL engine is a big killer on something so lightly armored, and yet the weight savings does little to improve its firepower. It's not that the Jenner is a bad platform for the IIC treatment, it's simply that they've gone about it in the wrong way. I agree that simply upgrading the existing version to Clan tech would have made for an impressive light scout.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Yeah I'm not sure what I would do to it. Maybe going with ER Medium Lasers instead of the missiles.

[@HeadHunterSix]

@@MechanicalFrog I'd even be happy with Clan small pulses, with that kind of speed. But without the XL engine, ER mediums are probably the best choice. For the IS version, I'm fond of the 7F version for the same reason.

[@lordmech]

@@MechanicalFrog the IS Jenner when you read the tech manual says it WILL explode when it alpha strikes and no matter what the IS techs did could ever fix the problem so pilots were told NEVER to alpha strike you could fire 3 medium laser and the SRM-4 or just fire all 4 mediums laser and your golden but if you fire all 4 mediums and the srm you WILL explode even if you was at zero heat before you alpha strike.

[@meshuggahshirt]

​@@MechanicalFroghonestly going for an Inner Sphere-like loadout of 4x ERMLs and a targeting computer would make a terrifying flanker in the Clan Invasion: fast enough to get behind most mechs and deal accurate damage at standoff range, plus ammo-independent

[@greysonjones5429]

It may not be the best mech, but gosh dang it it's a Jenner. I might need more than one of these boys. Besides, the original works well with any heavy piercing wrapons, enables you to take another mech along the lines of an awesome rather than having to have more balanced designs or more than one crit seeker

[@MechanicalFrog]

It does look good.

[@harvestblades]

Good morning Frog! Enjoying this IIC series. Hope you & your family have a great weekend & thanks for your hard work!

[@MechanicalFrog]

Thanks a lot for giving it a go. Take care!

[@haileysaint5443]

I went ahead and created 2 variants of this 'Mech, though I do have to confess to liking the Jenner IIC 2 somewhat. The Jenner IIC ISM and ISM 2 use the Jenner IIC 5 as a base. The first adds a partial-wing and a targeting computer, while having only 4 ER Medium Lasers for attack. The second version goes pricey with an XXL Fusion, keeps the partial-wing, and drops the TC. For weapons it has an ATM-3 with 3 tons of ammo (1 ton for each type) in the left arm, while the right arm mounts a pair of Small Pulse Lasers. Both the head and CT also contain a Small Pulse Laser.

[@MechanicalFrog]

It's OK to be a Jenner IIC fan.

[@mathewkelly9968]

NOVA CAT 😸 seriously good for anti vehicle use or crit hunting , I jumped the gun and got a couple ...... Had too but goes real well with Ocelots and Morrigans

[@MechanicalFrog]

Fun for when you have the zoomies.

[@atmosdwagon4656]

Alright so, this one hits kinda close to home so brace for a wall of text. I was first introduced to both Battletech and Mechwarrior in the late 1990s via the Jenner rather than the more ubiquitously marketed Mad Cat (Timberwolf). How? Well, in 1998, I was about to move away from my childhood hometown and so, wanting to make the best of the limited time we had left together, me and my best friend chose to indulge ourselves at the local hobby/game shop, which happened to have a big room for Battletech and other war games. This would become my first and, sadly, only game of actual tabletop Battletech until 2015. The scenario was something the shop owner and a few of his customers cooked up on the spot: A 3v2 siege scenario with two players running entrenched Davion forces, and the most experienced player running a DCMS assault force, supported by a lance apiece commanded by the two new players. Obviously, I was one of the new players, and picked a mixed offensive lance consisting of a Panther-9R, a Jenner-7F, a Dragon-1N, and a Centurion-AL. (the Dragon was technically illegal as both Medium Lasers were mounted in the same arm facing forward. This was a house rule since everyone agreed that rear-mounted panic lasers very silly and completely impractical) In brief, my Jenner successfully backstabbed and killed a Hunchback, a Champion, and then heavily damaged a Trebuchet before withdrawing to cover. (and it survived! I attribute this to me taking the advice of our commanding player to pick the JR7-K over the typical JR7-D, as I didn't want my main "scout" to get disabled early on. 4 Medium Lasers is plenty vs the rear arcs of most medium and even some heavy mechs) Later, the Jenner would become one of my all time favorite mechs to pilot in MWO, and especially MW5. In fact, the Jenner is second only to the Raven as my favorite Light mech of all time. (for Clan Lights, I prefer the Kit Fox and Locust IIC) Sufficed to say, when I learned that there was a Jenner IIC I was thrilled to see what madness the Clans would unleash with the design. What I got instead was...a mixed blessing at best. On one hand, the JR7-IIC-Prime is a terrifyingly fast SRM-splat mech. On the other hand...where's the armor? Now it's lightly armored AND far more expensive, while the original was made with a specific purpose and is very cost-effective in achieving its goals when used correctly. The first big problem is the Engine and the flaw, at least for a Mechwarrior, is NOT that it's an XL Engine. Nevermind that in MW, Clan XL Engines cheat so losing a side torso is NOT the end of the mech like it is for IS XL engines. Nor is it the cost, because MW is not dictated by BV or Cbill limits per engagement unlike the tabletop. (if you are limited, then yeah, obviously that's a big problem for the Jenner IIC; it's way too risky for the high cost) Light Mechs have a lot of critical slots available but not a lot of free tonnage. So XL tech is actually the most useful for them, even the squishy IS stuff as any light mech is going to either explode or become ineffectual the moment they lose a side torso anyway. The magic point for internal heatsinks is 250; that's the lightest engine where all 10 heatsinks are mounted internally. For Light mechs, this means it's the last point where you MIGHT see significant efficiency gains for internals management. The Jenner is already plenty fast with its stock 245 standard engine, and while the extra speed is always nice, is not strictly necessary to push it quite that high because most of the Jenner's potential targets are already subjstantially slower than it. I can't speak much experience to Battletech's rules, but I can say with dead certainty that for Mechwarrior You WILL encounter enemies with lasers, and I guarantee you will not be able to outrun or out-turn all enemies at all times. Under-armored Legs in particular are the bane of nearly all Light Mech designs, and like any good horse you might as well get put it down once it loses a leg. The armament/loadout is my final straw with the Jenner IIC lineup. Why the Hell aren't Clans utilizing more Active Probes, ECM, or MASC on these mechs? MASC is especially great as it weighs a fraction of the weight you would need to get even a stock 245 Jenner engine to run at ludicrous speed, even if it's for a short period of time. But that's PERFECT for a mech made for skirmishing, light hunting and raiding. ECM and BAP are especially useful not only for the defensive benefit, but in Mechwarrior, the Counter-ECM mode let's you (in conjunction with BAP) scout out ambushes and root out other ECM equipped enemy units. (why I love the Raven so much; it was built around this concept, and it has saved me and my lancemates' bacon SO MANY TIMES) For armament, Clan SRMs make a lot of sense since the launchers weigh half as much as IS regulars but even better than that are Medium Pulse Lasers. Clan Pulse Laser technology especially kicks all kinds of ass and is my preferred general purpose energy weaponry alongside Light PPCs. Clan Large Lasers weigh one ton less and reach out really far, and the only other sensible Jenner IIC model seems to acknowledge this fact. (I still think the Raven does large laser sniping because of the hardpoint locations) ATMs are, IMO, really bad on lighter mechs because the ammo per ton is much worse than LRMs or SRMs and you need that tonnage even with clantech on a light mech. Unpopular opinion here, but I just never liked Heavy Lasers in general. In BTA3065, they're way too hot and inaccurate for the damage even for the awesome tonnage:damage ratio and in nearly all instances where I'd consider a Heavy Large Laser, I'll gladly take a Clan ERPPC instead even at two tons more just for the reliability. In MWO, Pulse Lasers are king in a running battle due to their innately quick cycle time and short burn duration, and the Clan variants elsewhere solve the range problem of the originals which makes C-ER-MPLs God-tier general purpose weapons. (for objective raiding and anti-infantry duty, Clan Flamers and ER Flamers are highly underrated and underused IMO) Consequently, my Jenner IIC fit in MWO runs four CMPLs and regularly performs well barring crap blowout metas like massed-PPCs or Gauss spam on corridor maps. It's not a huge issue though. In modded MW5, I have a few fun Jenner variants that rely on pulse lasers or other oddities to do the job, but they all focus on being able to quickly dispatch medium and light vehicles, turrets, and have MASC or a Supercharger to panic-run the hell out of anything they're not armed to handle themselves. (and yes, I do still run my Jenner on certain high end missions in MW5. Suicidal Lance Commander ahoy!) If the mile-long length of this comment isn't any indication, it's one of my absolute favorite mechs sitting alongside the Raven, Marauder and MW4 Hellhound (aka, the Hellcat as it has been re-canonized by Catalyst Gaming Labs in the tabletop since the Mechwarrior 4 original is all non-canon/apocrypha)

[@MechanicalFrog]

Wow, what a story. I'm so glad to hear that you've had luck with the Jenner.

[@atmosdwagon4656]

@@MechanicalFrog From that statement, I'm guessing the Jenner is utter trash in the tabletop due to low armor and SRM ammo explosions. Like, I've technically succeeded with a Jenner in the tabletop...with beginner's luck a quarter century ago. Not the greatest sample size is all I'm saying.

[@stormcrow28]

The Jenner IIC is a nasty light mech. It even inspired the Jenner variant that mounts 3 MML 5s. I would love to see a version that uses Clan equivalents of the stock Jenner's armanents. 4 Clan ER Medium lasers and a Streak SRM 4 would make for a nasry variant.

[@MechanicalFrog]

A Jenner C, rather than a IIC would be slick.

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

@@MechanicalFrog Agreed. Adding Clan variants of Double Heatsinks, Endo Steel, Ferro Fibrous and ER lasers will still give you enough weight savings to increase the armor or maneuverability without the XL vulnerability while increasing damage output (via improved heat dissipation and range). Personally I would lean towards replacing the SRM4 with a NARC and Watchdog /ECM, but otherwise I agree with the C not IIC sentiment for the Jenner.

[@keebbles]

I made a Hunter Mech out of mt Jenner IIC. Added Top turret on CT which allows it to fire to rear arc too. Chin Turret on head. CT gets 2 C MPLs which definitely becomes it's main Firepower. Head chin turret gets either a double LMG array w/internal half ton ammo, or 2 AP Gauss array with 1 ton ammo in LT. Wings/arms get a slew of ER Small Lasers 3 or 4 each side. Or 1 er mdm each and a dhs each. It has an active probe clan at half ton and an IFF jammer vs ECM. It's mainly meant to hunt down powered infantry and light vehicles like missile carriers. But has enough punch that it can put a real hurt on rear of even an assault mech that dismisses it because it doesn't trigger their threat display. As it flees it can turn that turret on top to rear and give chasers a Parthean shot. With a +3 to the too hit role (or minus three on difficulty if you do it that way) it's gonna often give the enemy a surprise. Running away or deeper into enemy lines it can sow damage behind it further confusing enemies who'd see it running away and not facing them. Add in the speed and ability to spot caches, supply trains and track down command vehicles it's well worth the extra costs for the turrets. As it's ammo is limited and self contained in the array or case II next to it. It's less likely to be harmed in torso penetration as the base missile boats are. This means the XL is less likely to get destroyed that way. One of the few mech variants that mimic an aerospace straffing run. Instead this is done in close passes at speed usin its turret mounted weapons while the rest focus forward. Heat management is a priority with this mech, though. As 8 er smalls will definitely put mech in red a few points if all fired at same time as a full jump and turrets used. Basically the hunter version is a combination of locust 2E and cicada with addition of actual turrets on chin and CT top. Changes dedign enough that it's outline can confuse enemy enough to get a large advantage in initial encounters.

[@MechanicalFrog]

I could see running this. CMPL are hard to take issue with.

[@keebbles]

@MechanicalFrog maybe you can do a piece on fan versions of mechs and run a battle vs mf variants vs classics. Then break down cost vs benefit vs std versions. Put player versions up to vote for best.

[@FireGoliath]

Back in the MW2 days, I, unknowingly, configured a Jenner IIC into a /II model and I wreaked merry havoc amongst my friends at LAN parties playing King of the Hill

[@kathilmechworks4895]

A mech that has always driven me nuts. I like the 2 side launchers but never understood why it kept the srm 4. It makes more sense to me replace it and put a pair of pulse lasers on. Drives me even more nuts with the IV. I love the idea of ATMs on this thing. HE shots in the back are horrific or use it like a valkyrie and dance at long range depending on the mission.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Aff. The SRM4 is odd.

[@Star-qc4br]

ANOTHER GREAT VID, Frog! This is getting to be HABIT with you... My only experience with the Jenner is from the earlier versions of "MECHWARRIOR" on PC. There were seemingly NO shortage of Jenners on the first several missions.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Thanks a lot!

[@HouseDavieMerc]

Great video! I've always wondered how the Jenner IIC existed when the Exodus happened in July 2784 but the Jenner wasn't introduced until September 2784. Now I know-Wolf's Dragoons brought some captured Jenners back and the Clans made it afterwards.That's one of those timeline holes that I've always wondered about. I learned something today. Thanks!

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

I too always thought that Kerensky merely took the unbuilt but completed design with them during the Exodus. And like Frog I too like the idea better as it would show the fact that Kerensky took everything he could save with him as he left.

[@wartmcbeighn]

fast light mech that is good for hunting other lightly armored light mechs...however for a mech with papery tendencies for armor, might have been better with the 8 tons available for weapons to bump up the armour a bit and go with either medium pulse or ER Medium lasers

[@MechanicalFrog]

A little bit of additional armor would go a long way.

[@Brigand231]

They do make decent flankers if you have the ability to use them as such.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Keep moving, keep scooting.

[@sim.frischh9781]

I´m not specifically endeared to the Jenner, no matter which version, but with Clan tech available for it, why not simply recreate the original configuration with 4 medium lasers, now Clan ERs? With double heat sinks and the Streak-SRM4, you could still add one or two additional DHSs and max out the armor. Clan ER medium lasers are pretty much THE best weapon in BattleTech in terms of weight to effect. But then again, the design is the result of a "revelation", i´m not sure they would have listened to me.

[@MechanicalFrog]

I think if I were in charge of a variant, it would have several ER Mediums as the primary weapons.

[@sim.frischh9781]

@@MechanicalFrog You mean like, drop the Streaks and goo full Clan ER Medium Lasers with some additional DHS? That sound dangerously OP... but i like it.

[@malcontender6319]

@@sim.frischh9781 In MWO I am a 6 ER Med Jenner pilot. I attest to the power.

[@sim.frischh9781]

@@malcontender6319 and probably also to the heat build up XD

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

@@sim.frischh9781 The 6 ER Medium laser Jenner is akin to a jousting knight. You make your pass at maximum speed, alpha a single time at point blank range, and then veer off to safety til you cool off, never taking your foot off the throttle. Rinse and repeat, changing your incoming vector to keep them off balance. This machine and this tactic work well, as long as the enemy does not get a lucky shot. And there's very few machines capable of running after you at Jenner speed. Now imagine an entire lance of Jenners working in concert to do this on a single mech, coming in from 4 different vectors at the same time. Coordinate this attack with an LRM carrier to blind the target as well and the Jenner's survivability goes up as the now cored enemy mech goes up in a supernova like reactor explosion. 42 damage for 30 heat, 20 heat dissipation with your 10 double heatsinks assuming you didn't add a few with your spare tonnage from adding Endo Steel and Ferro Fibrous. This leaves you 12 on the heat scale at the end of the turn. Hot, but not unmanagable, and you have no ammo to explode from heat so you are not that bad off actually. 1 single turn to cool down, and you are ready to make another pass. And remember the 42 damage from these lasers are slightly more damage than an Ultra AC20 on double rate. Granted they will likely scatter on the enemy mech, but very few mechs can absorb this kind of damage, much less in their back, without significant lose of military capacity.

[@kilrathi827]

Agreed. I've honestly never been a huge fan of the Jenner, standard or IIC. I've had really good experience with the Arctic Cheetah as a scouting and spotting Mech. Though at least part of that is due to a last ditch LRM5 Salvo that got the last 4 structure points in an Awesome 9M'S left torso, taking out the Mech, and handing a win in a Tukayyid 5v5 battle to the Ghost Bears

[@MechanicalFrog]

At least it looks cool...

[@kilrathi827]

@MechanicalFrog that is certainly does. On a side note, I've been watching several of your painting videos lately, and I've been really impressed by the effects you get with SpeedPaints, especially on the bases.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Well thank ya. To be fair, the speed paint does most of the work.@@kilrathi827

[@meining-mech4378]

The Jenner IIC I love from a mostly nostalgic standpoint (Mechwarrior 2). I have used it quite a bit on the tabletop, where I usually pair it with an Incubus. The Jenner IIC-2 I like the most for that long range stab. It is very much a scout, whereas other units like the Horned Owl and Incubus I like to actually put in striker units.

[@MechanicalFrog]

That's a fair plan, I think.

[@bthsr7113]

Given that there are other Clan mechs which date back to SLDF prototype designs/concepts and the whole "gestures at contradictory timeline/development history of Annihilator," I'm quite happy to see that there is essentially a succession wars mech which got the Clans to stop, take notice, and say, "That's a pretty nice war machine" even with only base tech. Sure, it was the "we can't possibly be backing the wrong horse THIS time!" clan, but still.

[@cycadaacolyte6349]

I managed to fit an AC20 and 2 Medium Lasers in my Jenner IIC, while retaining decent speed and jump capability. It's a bit of a mad build but its good for surprising and picking off heavier mechs and the armaments scares off most lights.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Sounds a bit sketchy.

[@scytheseven9173]

It's hard to say why, but I hate how the original Jenner looks but love the look of the IIC, even though they're so similar.

[@MechanicalFrog]

The IIC is just a little sleeker, more streamlined.

[@malcontender6319]

It's the legs, reverse digitigrade makes all the difference.

[@lukedudley5030]

Another great vid :-) I love the jenner with a couple of tweaks it's a perfect mech for its size...don't see why I'd change it to the IIC versions too expensive :-)

[@MechanicalFrog]

Fair enough!

[@ghoulbuster1]

IIC-2 with only the 4 HMLs and more DHS is quite nasty. IIC with 6 SRM4 and more armor does serious damage. IIC-3 With Jump jets and 4 MPLs is extremely fast and impossible to hit, while having good chances of hitting back.

[@1228carlito]

This thing would be great with more armor, a full size active probe, ECM and proto mech micro laser weapons.

[@MechanicalFrog]

I think so.

[@Steiner5769]

They need to make those 2 SRM 6 Streak SRM 6

[@codius_dak5095]

Solitaire Solitaire Jenner IIC Prime Jenner IIC 4 Piranha Prime This is an excellent raider and hunter killer star.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Hmm... going to have to ponder that one.

[@niahanabishi5954]

While not exactly a canonical build, 6xCSRM6 while downsizing the engine slightly is TERRIFYING in MWO, while also letting you up armor.

[@MechanicalFrog]

"Just add all the missiles"

[@screenmonkey]

Always down for an upgraded jenner

[@MechanicalFrog]

Good times had by all.

[@jameshewitt5774]

I would like to see you return to including Classic BattleTech stats in your graphics. I don't care so much about who the manufacturer of the weapon is, unless that factory is part of the story. Ideally, you would format it like a Technical Readout entry but include Heat, Damage, Range and Crit columns in the Weapons and Equipment section. How many points of armor, how many tons of pod space or weapons. Please and thank you.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Yeah it's a bit of a tough call on what can fit on the cards. I want to avoid just simply replicating exactly what is in the TRO entries.

[@TheGiggityG]

My 1st mech. ELH for life

[@MechanicalFrog]

Good times had by all.

[@GrozaMariposa]

The improved heavy lasers explode if they are destroyed so why not add four of 'em 🧨 A mech variant where at the end of the day whether or not it's the enemy or itself someone is violently exploding. Not practical whatsoever but it's goofy and lovable.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Going to have to be a very bold mechwarrior.

[@malcontender6319]

That, for some reason - is also the highest jumping clan mech in MWO. Because shortish range heavy med lasers pair well with obscene jump height?

[@ghoulbuster1]

You do 40 damage with them, worth the risk for potentially coring a mech from the back.

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

Considering these were issued to elder Clanners who were seeking to go out in a blaze of glory it kinda makes sense. Going out in a blaze of glory blowing through the back of an assault mech, or your own personal little big bang after your weapons explode, the Clanners get what they wanted a final chance to be of note. Even if that note is merely a 2 meter deep crater.

[@malcontender6319]

Because Timberwolves tend to have very, very thin back armor.

[@MechanicalFrog]

And they never stop complaining about it... blah blah blah...

[@fiendishripper]

Are you planning on doing any non IIC's? if so might I suggest the Blood kite & Stooping hawk, 2 unique & beastly mechs from my favorite Clan, the Blood Spirit's, either way I'm loving your IIC series, keep up the good work & have a very nice day!

[@MechanicalFrog]

Once we run through the IICs, I'll likely hit the other non-omni clan mechs.

[@Faceless_One]

Ahh i rarely See any Clan Blood Spirit Enjoyer. Good too that our fav Clan still lives in the Heart and Minds exist . Blood Kite ist a Beast of a Mech. It is Up there with the Commando 2c AS my fav Clan mech

[@fiendishripper]

@@Faceless_One It is hard to go wrong with triple LRM 15's, ER Large Lasers, SRM 4's & enough double heat sinks to keep you running cool all day long, Quiaff?

[@Faceless_One]

@@fiendishripper Aff. Sad too see that this Beast of a Mech wasnt enough top save our clan

[@Somewhat-Evil]

Why can't both theories be true? The Clans might have had the data but done nothing with it until they tested the mechs acquired by the Dragoons. Reverse engineering a mech would be a major undertaking and the IIC resembles the original so closely you'd suspect the Nova Cat engineers might have had access to the full tech data.

[@MechanicalFrog]

It is quite possible that both could be true.

[@Ironclockwork]

I'm not really that impressed with the canonical reason for the Jenner IIC's existence either. At this point, I might as well joke that when the SLDF left Combine space for Operation EXODUS, they "accidentally stumbled upon" a misplaced set of Jenner blueprints.

[@MechanicalFrog]

I just don't think the Wolf's Dragoons are going to be using a lot of dropship space to transport 35 ton mechs.

[@hermes7587]

The Jenner IIC makes me ask: Why? Why do you spend a lot of ressources to make an excellent light Mech chassis and load it with such an horrible loadout? Why not do the obvious: 4 ERML + 1 SSRM-4?

[@MechanicalFrog]

Because it's funny?

[@omegavulture8379]

Welcome to Seafoxmart, we either have it or your batchal is free. How can I help you today? Macro is the new way of the clans.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Buy early and often. 5 for the price of 6.

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

Clan Seafox is the latest iteration of "The Amazing Master Tool Corporation, a division of Fly By Night Industries". You get a free watermelon with every purchase. LOL RonCo eat your heart out.

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

I am a fan of the Jenner, but can't really explain why. It's more sentiment than practicality I guess. The only really good job for the mech is as a Spider hunter, that I can think of. And even then I really want arms on the mech since you will be spending an exorbitant amount of time either jumping or navigating mountainous terrain at high speed in most cases when on a Spider hunt, as good Spider pilots know how and where to hide when they are threatened.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Thankfully, there are lots of other fun lights to choose from.

[@fenny1578]

You can't force my wife to admit it, but our sons name was picked because of a mechwarrior who piloted one of these. Funny how life turns out.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Heh. Well, I don't see a problem with that. My children are named after NASA astronauts.

[@imasspeons]

​@@MechanicalFrog"Buzz" Frog has a good ring to it.

[@AdairCorbin]

It's such an expensive design for a second line design. It doesn't really make much sense. It feels like a front line raider.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Silly Nova Cats...

[@mathewkelly9968]

I'd say the ATM 3 is a downgrade long range is laughable and even if you go the big bangers you're losing potential damage and worse an ATM launcher is cluster 5 so you lose the crit seeking .

[@shaunhall960]

I agree.

[@MechanicalFrog]

That is fair.

[@shawnarmitage7955]

Being a big intersphere player always get a laugh out of the IIC. Some make sense, but others are just trying to sell a model. Don't blame them for it.

[@MechanicalFrog]

They can't all be homeruns. Eh...

[@shawnarmitage7955]

@MechanicalFrog there not funny when they are shooting at you.

[@paulsim7589]

Not sure why they didn't just change its weapons to clan, DHS and throw any extra into armour. Cheap and fast to replace.

[@MechanicalFrog]

A Jenner C would be formidable.

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

Add Clan Endo Steel and Ferro Fibrous and you have a good bit of tonnage to play with for armor and even improving other aspects of the mech without the XL engine.

[@paulsim7589]

@@Dang_Near_Fed_Up i always favoured more standard armour over ferro, as most damage will hopefully be on the armour

[@shaunhall960]

I like the way it looks but that's about it. Looks don't carry the battle.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Fair.

[@MrFleem]

Sure, the old Jenner cheap up front. But not so cheap when you have to keep putting the arms back on.

[@shaunhall960]

LOL!

[@MechanicalFrog]

We suffer for our art.

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

Arms? What arms? When did they add arms to the Jenner? LOL

[@MrFleem]

It's got gun arms, like the Blackjack or the Rifleman.

[@xenosphobatic]

If the urbie is a trash can, the jenner is a walking toilet. Jussayin

[@shaunhall960]

I probably wouldn't be so descriptive but you are right.

[@MechanicalFrog]

I forgot to give it a rating out of crying Urbanmechs... dang it.

[@bthsr7113]

I can't say I'm too much a fan of this one. The 2 is decent, but the other variants feel like they have too many drawbacks, and nothing that really sings to me.

[@MechanicalFrog]

I think that's fair. It's just, meh.

[@Dokdiamant]

strange. If you can build in 2x SRM 6 and one streak SRM 4, why not give it 2x LRM5 with Artemis and some ER med Lasers? I mean, it is a scout Mech and a second liner, so this would make sense or not? You also could build in a TAG Laser over the middle Part for artillery marking. Too bad that Clans aren't known for their "Fantasy" if it comes to weapon Loadouts. ^^ In MW5 Merc I often use 4 Lasers and a LRM5 Variant, instead of the build in SRM4 Launcher. So it can give the Enemy something to eat, before the mech reach it and give it hell. ^^ And with Mods... sometimes I use the "Original Config" with Inferno SRMs.

[@MechanicalFrog]

I suspect it's more of a balance thing than anything else. With Clans have so much of an advantage everywhere else, if you build them as good as they could be built, it would be even more unfair.

[@mirrorsandstuff]

Double bill? You're spoiling us.

[@MechanicalFrog]

The nonsense must flow.

[@malusignatius]

How can the Mech Frog not like a 'mech that's a mechanical frog though? :P

[@MechanicalFrog]

There might be more frog-like mechs out there.

[@RecklessFables]

Wait, did you say the Kuritans used a nuke?

[@MechanicalFrog]

Yep.

[@StarCommanderStelios]

In the "traditional" fighting style of the clans, no, it does not fit. on the trinary/cluster level, its an escort for your other scout, load it with infernos and alternate ammo types for the srms.. and see it maul / destroy/ produce smoke. anywhere needed on the strategic battlefield. it is faster than 95% of the opposition and well.. it is faster than 95% of the opposition. i can see it even run after and destroy vtols, if armed with a/a srms.

[@MechanicalFrog]

Yeah it's an odd one. In the right hands? zoomies.

[@Defsnot_Momskowerkor]

Cuz it transforms from a Bruce to a Caitlin

[@JosephMitchell-zw3db]

Chicken legs with teeth