Why do you not find value in prayer? | J. Krishnamurti

Brockwood Park 1984 - Question #4 from Question & Answer Meeting #2
'Why do you not find value in prayer?'
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[@MayaNature113]

Yes, this is honest. We should search for questions within ourselves.. religion etc distracts us into an outside resources when all is within us

[@AZ-mq8oi]

The problem is not religions, the problem is you.

[@abs2520]

Totally agree with you Maya, Religion is a form, a dictat, a delineation for the boneheads!! It causes division like any other form, has resulted in the massacre of over a hundred million people in the last century alone!! And I cannot help but laugh at the people who use words like heaven, it’s a story concocted to lure the dumbest !!

[@iyyakuttirajasekaran9906]

We are here that is the only reality.All the questions start with as.The answer is also within us.The whole of humanity is.one.If this is understood there is no need of any prayer!

[@rakshittripathi7240]

religion Is not a distraction it's a tool or vehicle it's not mandatory to be religious if you are aware about real teaching which is within you so some people need this who are not capable as I'm not religious bcz I don't need that tool😁

[@mamapatdontoh3806]

I wish I could bring him back again to speak directly to us again! This man was so simple and down to earth with his explanations of LIFE. GREAT MAN💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@ProlificThreadworm]

Release your desires lol

[@mamapatdontoh3806]

ProlificThreadworm Thank you😁👌👍

[@catherineboyle5095]

he didn't give a straight answer to anything. He answered with a question and intellectualised everything

[@gshrdy5415]

Well I listened to another of his session, he said basically stop thinking, thought is a problem, freedom from thought is happiness, state of emptiness, zero, contains everything and its utmost joy of living, life, i think that is the answer he gave.

[@ritesharora6032]

@@catherineboyle5095 maybe you need to listen him more, it you think that

[@lincolndeoliveira1929]

Few people brought me so close to a deep relationship with God as this man did. I thank God for giving me the opportunity to question things as this man thought. Joy and peace have been tasted even in moments of great confusion, because the Living Truth is always there when I give in, shining its love and wisdom, and a subtle but intense promise emerge from the silence of creation, reassuring that I am victorious within the glory of God.

[@gurudathcs1708]

Thanks for the upload. The last two sentences wraps it up very nicely.

[@satya143ilove]

Great words ... Help to know yourself

[@ritesharora6032]

I m quite surprised at how he answers questions based on psychology and brain of ours being at very different level, yet he knows our level

[@robindranathrobindranath7191]

Well said.

[@visakhc8556]

True

[@AZ-mq8oi]

That tells me that your consciousness is not where it should be.

[@kundaliniairport]

From the top you can easily see what's below & fully grasp it. But from the 'levels' beneath you don't truly understand the top. Analogously speaking.

[@creativitywithspirituality9184]

all my love❤♥

[@ravijangra5802]

💐

[@dipitum]

Thank you.

[@andreyvaleroso]

The words of this wise man have healed my ignorance. Deep gratitude to JK. 🥰 In this endless desire of some kind of spiritual bliss. I finally felt free. And that very freedom is me surrendering to Eternal Now. No attachment to past & future. 🥰 Freedom is very simple yet so profound. I did not know why we seek outside of our being.

[@Therichestlife123]

❤

[@udaykumaryadav6886]

Such a beautiful explanation about god by Mr.J Krishnamurti.

[@mikewright902]

Well it was based on prayers 🙏/ praying!! But ur Right , He hit that on the Head too😂

[@rajkalinadhabhotla8436]

This is beautiful

[@bhadrinath4191]

Amazing.....

[@SweetPeteUnleashed]

Can I solve my own problems without the help of God? No, I don't imagine so. Even in all the wisdom I've accumulated I think I'm far too foolish and naive. Finally admitting that and asking for help is empowering, not debilitating. Humility is a wonderful key.

[@TylerPerkins]

You are the source, the answers are within. Simply look and clear the way. Wondering how to clear it? Keep watching because he gives you the answers in all of his speeches and talks.

[@ravijangra5802]

🙏

[@chandruu1995]

Answer is found

[@kanolappakalal2299]

🙏🙏🙏❤

[@jaideepisrael1614]

11:29 - we are bored with Life

[@noormohamed.406]

Why are we always seeking help from an external source? What is this endless dependence? Can we end it Now? Why did we invented God? living fully and awake and aware may not need such a God. But surely there is something through which every thing is so orderly working/moving in the existence! Can we let that something in a “I don’t know state” and never try to define it. Why do we end our enquiry by coming to a conclusion and saying that i believe in a God and i will pray and please him. Can we not just be in this moment and not try to run away from it if it is unpleasant!

[@mangeshchalan8786]

You should watch mahendra pal arya He explained well what is god

[@noormohamed.406]

Mangesh Chalan sure Sir, i will try to listen to mahendra pal ji in a non-biased state of mind! But sir I would like to share you that i am not interested in debates and justifications of which religion is true or false! I have already evolve to the extent that all the beliefs has withered away from my being! At present i am concerned about my inward journey and enquiry. I express my intense gratitude Krishnamurti ji for giving clarity and understanding towards truth of Life!

[@noormohamed.406]

m vl , yes sir i am speaking about about myself! “I am the world and the world is in me”. I want to spend my entire life in descerning and understanding clearly whatever is happening through my life, with my life. I want to learn and learning can only happen if I watch everything, every moment without any judgements, conclusions, and just passively looking at my life like a true scientist to uncover the truth of my life.

[@MKadi-eq3hp]

If you like it or not, YOUR ARE FULLY DEPENDENT ON GOD, because HE IS YOUR CREATOR! So simple. And you cannot end that, because HE will end it, when HE wants to end it! Living fully and awake and aware - do you think, you can do that without God?

[@noormohamed.406]

M. Kadi thanks for Responding to the Comment! I would love to discuss with you about God and the truth of Life!. Sir, may be my words may be mis-leading but what i am trying to convey is man has invented various god through various organized religion. And this religions are separating me from the other who believes in other form of organized religion. As an human being i am connected to every human beings and other living species or creatures. It surely appeals to me looking around that there is a fantastic Orderliness in the way our planet is. And man-made organized religion are not leading me towards truth. I have found that knowing my own self and living an unbiased life or a life without any believes what so ever is an ultimate thing. Clinging to a particular belief is not letting to discover myself fully. I am asking you Sir why do you define that intelligence which is ruling the world and the universe, why call it as word God and limit our enquiry, we are living beings and we have in our self the essence of that godliness. Hence i feel we should let awareness do its work. Sir, i am open minded and would love to share and discuss with you so that my understanding can evolve!

[@balajik3189]

I have a question. JK mentioned we become weak as we habituate asking for help more and more and tend to depend on external things (God in this case). Isn’t that what Bible is all about? Depending on God is what God wants? I’m so obsessed with that statement and entering the state of total contradiction that, I couldn’t be narrative of my own beliefs.

[@Seraphimpoet]

Jesus said that the kingdom of heaven is "within you". This implies that God is not only external. Besides that kind of philosophy that he is preaching, says that separation is an illusion, that everything is connected. The less you rely on God the more it becomes akin to Atheism. You set yourself up as your own god. He definitely is contradicting, because the very congregants that he is speaking to and teaching, have come there "seeking" an answer from him. Is that not a form of prayer, asking, and petitioning from them to him? And is it not also a form of him granting the requests to their seeking/petitioning?

[@rvgr12]

Well JK did not introduce a contradiction, you did. This is not an attack. I had this same experience. We have been conditioned to think of God in this way and that, and that God wants this or that from us. Without arguing the right or wrong of that conditioning, I believe that JK introduces, very interestingly, the need for self mastery. Now consider this, if the body is the temple of God, and if the Kingdom is within, do we really have need to look outside of ourselves? JK is not speaking about prayer negatively only how we use it. If we direct our prayer internally then do we not arrive at a place where the apparent contradiction disappears?

[@scarlet87577]

@@rvgr12 Clear.. Thank you.

[@TylerPerkins]

Start by dropping your beliefs and walk up the stairs in complete darkness. Without handrails.

[@sourabhbakshi2216]

Somebody help me please 😂😂😍

[@TylerPerkins]

Literally

[@karansingh-ug5pm]

What about everything n nothing.both r same

[@gshrdy5415]

He said that before, nothing contains everything.

[@kaneiles20]

Agree

[@sunnycriti9809]

IS PRAYER REALLY ABOUT ASKING GOD FOR HELP. WHAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO PRAY? IS NOT EVERYTHING INTERCONNECTED ?

[@her26mlifecount21]

Prayer is believing you already received the desire and live in that assumption, then it’s given.

[@mrv5409]

I pray everyday. Not for someone to save me. But to give thanks. Is this also futile according to JK?

[@kimhappy4908]

Whatever keeps your mind quite rather than chattering as it usually does is not a bad thing. However in the end we all must observe our nature with full attention. According to K that is.

[@AZ-mq8oi]

Source cannot be readily perceived by just anyone. One must really empty oneself and then pray according to tradition and purposely too.

[@mrv5409]

@@AZ-mq8oi Well. That's tricky. Can not having a purpose, be also a purpose?

[@AZ-mq8oi]

@@mrv5409 eventually once one is thoroughly fused or integrated then one starts operating purposely.

[@AZ-mq8oi]

@@userfp001 you must believe in something higher than yourself...I won't answer your question until you do. Information understood in the wrong manner can do more harm than good.

[@mikekavalerchik5226]

No matter how one tries, you cannot intellectually dissect this topic

[@TylerPerkins]

The intellect has to step out of the way. It’s an amazing tool but not in holding the truth.

[@alainmaitre2069]

Meditation is the good middleway between praying and not-praying . Do mindfulness training .

[@shuvapradhan8850]

K jokes about how god says"have faith and jump" . How moronic. When i have any very serious problem, i ask for an answer and i get it by words or vision or gravity halts and i can climb back. K was boring, not enlightened. He set up shop with his books and lectures, lived a cushy life and claimed his pretty high level of clarity as the ultimate, which apparently was not. K would say-- "Is it important?" .Old man, nothing could be more important and exhilirating than this.

[@thenowchurch6419]

Shuva. You sound deluded. Why keep comparing yourself to K and keep trying to insult him ? Life happened to him, he did not "set up shop". If he was looking for an easy life he would never had dissolved the Order of the Star of which he was the Messiah, and then left the Theosophical Society. Where does he claim that his level is "ultimate"? These are ghosts in your own mind. Boring ? That is subjective, dependent on your attitude and perspective.

[@shuvapradhan8850]

@@thenowchurch6419 Well. He could'nt move me forward. Wasted a lot of time on him. With sathya sai baba himself coming forward with telepathic guidance, telepathic jokes and spectacular congratulations, miracles, moving forward speedily at last got on track. Of course i went Puttaparthi once and he came to the gate when i went n when i left as i had demanded. A few miracles there also. I didnt need to go again coz of the telepathy. Awesome. Extremes of life got eliminated ie crucial safety guaranteed. Telepathic warnings and saving happened. Immaculate. K became 10 steps down the ladder.

[@thenowchurch6419]

@@shuvapradhan8850 . Well, K is very high on my list. To each his own. Namaste.

[@shuvapradhan8850]

@@thenowchurch6419 I apologise. K definitely was a big step. Since I was in a hurry, this miraculously different spirit turned up in this circle of search. Maybe the crèative quietness of K will have to be needed again. Namaste.

[@raghavsubramanian6127]

Let us not demean great men. A great saint once said "Krishnamurthi is for the non-believers" so if you are a person of faith/Bhakti he is not for you. He came to help the people who want to discern everything, who want to use the intellect to understand stuff and those who don't want to go just by faith

[@fxevery1]

🙏