Why Does Boss Make All These Big-Box Delay Pedals? [DD-500, DM-101, RE-202 & SDE-3000D]

[@scottcurry4116]

It’s not boring! These deep dive shows are excellent especially for delay junkies like me! I look forward to this show every week.

[@NewPraetorianBlues]

I agree, these types of episodes are the best - long form discussions with tone examples

[@peoplevrobot]

Lads you missed out on a massive secret feature on the DD-500!! You can get pan delays and circular delay a la Lexicon PCM70 using the pattern delay. Why is this cool? Because those delays are the key to Lukathers 80s and 90s tone (other session players as well) and the DD500 is the only dedicated delay pedal on the market that allows this (otherwise Helix, Quad Cortex and Axe FX) For a circular delay edit the Pattern delay… set time to 888ms; go to “Pattern” parameter and edit it to read “User”; right below “Pattern” is “Delay1 Time” set to “4/12”; set Delay1 Level” to 100; set “Delay1 Pan” to “R100”. Set “Delay2 time” to 4/12; set “Delay2 Level” to 100; set “Delay2 Pan” to “L100”; Set “Delay3 Time” to 16/16; Set “Delay3 level” to 100; Set “Delay3 Pan” to Center. Set the other Delay taps to 0ms…..Add Mod and High cut to taste; play in stereo ET VOILA circular delay. Sounds huge don’t it?

[@Ŕụṣṣṣṣṭ]

I love that there are 15 likes less than a minute after the video goes live. We see Dan and Mick, we click like!

[@southpawjinx1]

1:58 but not subscribe

[@Hard.Clipping]

I have DD-200 and it's amazing, I will definitely go for DM 101 in the future.

[@nojuanatall3281]

I got the dm101. I can recommend it if you love analog delay. Keep in mind it is really for stereo but works in mono.

[@bodenschatz10]

Every Friday, when first thing I check for a new TPS episode, I cross my fingers and hope it's an episode on delays. Another excellent episode, great choice of topic.

[@davidfaustino4476]

I got rid of the DD500 for an SDE3000D specifically because its easier to tweak from the front panel than to dive into the menus on the DD500. I actually got rid of all of my 500 series pedals because of the menu diving.

[@volcanobones8823]

14:05 lift off😍👽🚀 awesome playing Dan!

[@alanale]

The 202 sounds like so many songs that I love. It's a must have!

[@GeoffByrdMusic]

Space Echo 202 or the 101 Analog are both stellar. I don't have either one yet, but I've played both extensively and they are fantastic.

[@powerbreed]

Omg, I have been trying to decide witch one to buy for a month now and you made this video

[@GeoffByrdMusic]

So what is the verdict?

[@RyanRenteria]

DD-200

[@GeoffByrdMusic]

@@RyanRenteria Interesting choice. Do you like it?

[@brymills]

Why decide? Buy all of them!

[@egg43002]

Not boring. Love shows like this.

[@babaupede]

The DM101 became an almost "always on" pedal in my rig. It can totally be a base sound for many. Other delays, digital and analog (like El Capstain, DMM, or the delays in the HX stomp) are added on top when a big spacious sound is needed… But the DM101 is so good at creating a certain type of creamy, natural, organic vibe on its own (especially in stereo) that it's almost impossible to switch it off. It's addictive.

[@pian0ball]

I love my DD-500, it does everything I could want it. I’m not convinced the fine details I can hear at home come through at a gig, and the 500 does it all. I’d add too that I loooove the Terra echo sound and I don’t know if I’d be willing to part with it for that algorithm alone.

[@themattitude]

I've got the RV-500, DD-200, RE-2, DM-2w, plus 2 or 3 of the compact digital delays and I still want ALL of these!

[@Peternkirk]

One of the advantages of the DD500 (and any of the 500 series) is you can use as a very basic midi controller for all the midi pedals on your board - if your needs are simple and you just need to set pedals at the start of a song then scroll down the setlist before the next song, DD500 has got you covered. I use it this way even for songs that don't have any delay on them to set-up the overdrive tones on my Boss OD200 and the modulation on my TC Plethora.

[@AndrewNuttall]

Loving the comparison so far as this format really helps to narrow down what would best suit someone looking to buy a new delay. Suggestion for a future delay episode in similar format would be Free the Tone. Without the ability to try them out, I'm struggling to decide between Future Factory, Flight Time and now the Cosmic Wave.

[@guitardave]

The new SDE-3 stompbox is very tempting, even though I love the TC Flashback 2 that I’ve been using for years.

[@nealpike6611]

I like the look the SDE3000 ,however I can’t help but think that the numbers reminds me of a bomb countdown

[@KoaCharvel]

You can NEVER make too many pedals!

[@Gibson1976uk]

To be brutally honest!!! If I had to pick one!! I would have to go with the DD500

[@ChrisJohnson-lp3hc]

yeah! dirt and fuzz are cool, but delay are modulation are my personal faves!

[@tompoynton]

Another feather in the DD-500’s cap is that it can be acquired for less than 300 quid these days

[@adammartinguitar5436]

Currently only got a memory man and a JHS 3 series delay and I feel like I'm in need of something different, just from the intro i feel like tape is what im kooking for! Less than a minute in and my problem is solved, appreciate you Dan and Mick 😂

[@holyfreak8]

ANOTHER VIDEO WITH THE DELAY PEDALS ON IT!!?? I LOVE IT!! Is the delay I have the Boss DD-200 and I love to copy some of the presets you use guys. Thanks and greetings from Buenos Aires.

[@kahlrhoam6769]

A excellent topic & another entertaining & informative video! That said, guys, WHERE is the BOSS DD-200? It does ALL Boss delays, for $200-$260. All midi/stereo, all parameters editing. (?)

[@wadesummers4102]

Inspired me to break out my SDE-1000 rack unit. Got it gently used in 1986 or so. Loved the band music as Dan adjusted the delay time!

[@ChiefGuitarOfficer]

Great recap at the beginning! But always worth the deep dive!

[@dougmishoe1336]

Omg… I have an RE-202 arriving today. What a coincidence!

[@andsoistopped]

DD500 has been out for years now. The fact that it is still stands up shows they did a great job.

[@chrisquinn9104]

Haha I was rocking the DD-20 until earlier this year, so I agree, Boss holds up

[@TheGBs1972]

Never really used any Boss delay. Personally I love the MXR Carbon Copy. However the RE is pretty impressive

[@compucorder64]

I LOVE ... Love ... love my Boss DM-101. Idk, maybe could become a future classic, like the Mooger Foogers. The newer smaller box version of the SDE-3000D is a cool idea too though (SDE-3, think?). Mono in / stereo out is the only frustrating thing with the 101. Because it won't play nice with how I used to have the TC SCF+ running mono-in stereo out, into Meris Polymoon. But, maybe Boss just wants to sell me a Dimension DC-2W to place after the DM-101.

[@Peternkirk]

the answer to the question about altering the delay time in analog mode on DD500 over 300ms - (asked at 51mins in) is if you adjust the 'stage' setting it can be increased up to 1200 ms

[@beburicoterito]

Boss has a fan base and collectors that assures them that every release will be a success

[@generationdink]

My main board is a reverb, 3 delays (Orion, DIG, Fable - so technically up to 5 delay lines), chorus/vibe, two dirt pedals (or one and boost), and a tuner on my textual focused board. Albeit, I can use each of those delays for multiple purposes - Orion has always on preamp, 335ms type and runaway stuff, DIG does clean timed cascading, long times, clean delay-verb, a second chorus/faux-flange, Fable does reverse, octave, "granular" and reverb - but does a cool warbly doubled octave, wonky vibe, reverse chorus, tape stop, stacked s&h step filter, granular verb, and wild stuff. To be fair, it also has 2 hidden effects loops underneath that act as patch points that bring in my modular mini fly board - RE-202, HXOne, Tilt OD, and LA-2A. So I guess when I only have one delay it would be the 202!

[@nojuanatall3281]

I love analog delay so I went with the dm101. It is such a sick sick sick delay. The chorus is subtle but can get wobbly.

[@musicplaylists59]

the RE 202 is the winner for me just based off how nice it sounds, not taking into account all the other aspects of features and stuff.

[@ghostofborsalino2752]

I use the DM-101 and it’s wonderful. Who would have dared to put so much into an analog stomp box?

[@scottcurry4116]

I’m more on the Mick side. I don’t like menu diving and would rather have all the controls on top. The DD-500 and SDE-3000 sound lovely, but it would drive me crazy to have to spend 20 minutes dialing a delay.

[@larsv701]

Man with that DD-500 you need have the IT Helpdesk on speed dial!

[@mattrector431]

The DD 500 is great, but honestly, I think The DM-101 would be the bomb if it can get into the lo-fi area too. Loved this video, thanks legends!

[@orryfishburne5326]

I want all of them. 😁 i own the RE-202 and it's incredible, but i always finding myself switching back to the Timeline. I mainly use the analog algorithm on the Timeline, so my next delay purchase will definitely be an BBD Delay. Not sure if it will be a DM-101, a Flower Pedals Dahlia, or a Walrus Audio Meraki, but i really want to try a stereo BBD Delay.

[@martintaylor1701]

Delay is the best effect.

[@compucorder64]

Especially legendary vintage cheatcode delays like the Echoplex, where you get a great preamp circuit and some saturation into the bargain. Or the Roland RE-201 Space Echo, where they kindly throw in a Spring Reverb.

[@BGTsoundandvision]

Idles tonight in Toronto. I think I'll wear my TPS t-shirt.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Yes!!!!!

[@tommyf2229]

IMHO Boss is great, the DD200 has been on my gigging board for 4 years & very satisfactorily replaced my Timeline with easy UI, great sounds, small footprint... does it all

[@heymrguitarman7637]

Love Boss. They may not be the most exciting or boutique brand but they simply don't make a bad product. Everything is good or better and that's hard to do

[@craigsi16]

Quick thing about the interjection about subscriber stats. It seems they must youtubers misunderstand this. If over half of your viewers are not subscribed to the channel, THAT'S A GOOD THING! Cos it means KZbin is recommending your channel and people are actually clicking on it. If 100% of your viewers were subscribed (which I assume most people who bring this up think is the ultimate goal) then that means your channel has died, because literally no one new is coming in and youtube is likely not recommending your channel to others anymore. I get that you wanna do a call to action to ask people to subscribe who aren't already, but that's different to what you're seemingly aiming for when bringing up this stat

[@RyanRenteria]

Boss delay: Good enough for Jonny Greenwood and Omar Rodriguez Lopez, good enough for me!

[@sour37]

This might be the perfect subject for TPS

[@Zwidawurzn]

I mainly use my DD-200 but i have several delay pedals for different needs, a friend has every space echo version from real tape to RE-202, others want it analog, so there's a reason for all these pedals to exist. I even think there's probably not enough of them.

[@user-wl7rb5ri5m]

All you need is the Space Echo. Sublime

[@PrebenEikaas]

I really love you guys, but you should have spent some more time getting to know the pedals better before making this video. 😀 Great effort still! I’ve owned all of these pedals and currently still have the SDE-3000D and the DD-500 on my main board. The DD-500 has its own SDE-3000 algorithm and you can use two of them when running the pedal in “Simul” mode. You can also phase shift both the delay and the repeats to achieve one of the SDE-3000D’s main features The modulation of the DD-500 is where it really falls behind the SDE-3000D. The stereo image of the SDE-3000D is by default also more exciting than what the DD-500 offers in the SDE-3000 mode. You could however utilise the functions in the “assign” menu and create almost any stereo image you can imagine. Takes a lot of menu diving of course, and doesn’t allow easy on the fly editing. 😀 My favourite delay is the SDE-3000D, but apart from the modulation I can perfectly replicate everything I do with the SDE-3000D in the DD-500.

[@WhatsUpWhitey]

This episode topic feels more like TPS from years ago in the small room at Gigrig.

[@gmouse1250]

Nice show, could you consider a show on 5W amps, specifically the laney l5t-112 combo, the Orange AD-5 and the Fender Custom Champ ? Thanks lads

[@douglasaxtell]

How about a comparison of all their (Boss) small form factor delay pedals?

[@tompoynton]

I’m really hoping for some sort of CE-101(202?), with CE-1, CE-2, vibrato/phaser/flanger etc. in the same form factor as the DM and RE from Boss at some point

[@Brati999]

DD500 is great allrounder

[@oansun]

"We are running in stereo today" *stuffs in the other earbud*

[@CradleRawk]

hmmmm, I picked up a B-Stock Boss SDE-3000 from a well known German megastore a couple of weeks ago, sooo stoked - they had them at €222 new, so my B-stock (a return, basically) was €189, hopefully that's me done for delays for the foreseeable. I think their new 'low' price new is €389 or so. I do kinda want the DM-101 too, but will have to make do with my pair of DM-2Ws. Of course I hardly use delay these days, but always 'verb...

[@fabianericson5454]

42:49 The 80's 12-bit thing that I really DIG. Da-ga-dish! 😅

[@johnnylayton1672]

Yeah Meris doesn't so much want to cultivate loyal eaters they want to cultivate chefs. So both their marketing approach & their product architectures are naturally going to be different from Boss' own fantastic offerings. And the limitations their own offerings possess are going to seem more bespoke & obscure akin to Boss' DD500 here amongst Boss' own other delay effects. Seems Strymon is also closer to Boss here than Meris on the matter. But yes GREAT POINT that we automatically get suspicious when the limitations of some device is hard to immediately recognize! I think we all fairly intuit that nothing real is ever perfect the way our imagination conceives & allows within its confines. So to not be immediately aware of them -- e.g., missing control knobs, missing input and/or outputs, etc. -- can be a real turnoff no matter how great it is at doing what it's designed to do.

[@jeffharper2661]

so is the next episode going to cover the rest of the delay pedals including the Boss RE-2 space echo? You are feeding the GAS and RABBIT HOLE. Is this a good thing, as Dan said he had so many delays.

[@jamesnichols5998]

How after all these years is the 500 getting all the ✅✅ what a legEND

[@silviolutti1522]

Off topic, a question: warm audio has made some really incredible pedals, reconstructing, as they used to do entirely through-hole, historic pedals. For example, they made a version of the ocd v1.4 (warm audio Odd) built with a through-hole with premium components and a germanium diode, thus giving you an asymmetrical cutout with more harmonics. And also a version of the klone (warm audio centavo). When will there be a video of your warm audio pedals, perhaps with a comparison with the originals? Greetings from Italy.

[@dantesinfernal]

the crazy thing is that Boss has a ton more of these pedals to release, but they keep getting delayed

[@astewart9410]

This video has so many delays, I thought there was something wrong with my Internet connection.

[@NewPraetorianBlues]

On specs alone the DD-500 is a behemoth.

[@Stallbeezy73]

What is the balance of having options and having over analysis paralysis?! Some of these pedals seem to toe that line.

[@TigerPalmer]

Frusciante is now running the DD-500.

[@bodenschatz10]

Does anyone know the spacing of the 4 heads on the re-202? There seems to be a slight difference between the first three and the last.

[@rigorhead01]

I love delays! Delays! Delays Delay delay del... 🤣

[@evanward4303]

What are those mics (didn't see them in show notes)?

[@shagradauyo]

😁👍

[@RaviKumar-fd1vq]

Hintz Island

[@GregorHoul]

"So if you like knobs…"

[@NowPleaseNot]

First? :)