Why does Chloe Ting have haters?

[@Shaydoereme]

I don't have a problem with her videos and I do think that most logical people will go into her challenges and think two things. 1. This is not designed to transform my body overnight, but instead help me stay consistent and move closer to my goals 2. When she mentions abs, glutes, etc. She isnt talking about reducing fat in that area, she is talking about exercises designed to specifically work that muscle group. I think anyone whose done even a little bit of research prior to selecting a fitness routine would be aware of those 2 things and not expect a mircale. If people don't do enough research but have questions she does guide you to her website which doea have her FAQ section. So while I do like your video and opinions, I still can't see where she has done anything wrong here.

[@JustinaErcole]

She has straight up lied to her audience. That’s what she did wrong.

[@jordanwest1209]

Chloe got me into exercising and I will forever be thankful to her for that but I am glad I quickly moved on to Sydney Cummings. I remember when people critized Chloe for not being educated/certified in fitness/exercise science - and her response was that she has a degree in finance and, therefore, is educated - completely missing point or dodging the real criticism. That was one of the things that made me stop doing her workouts which I actually really enjoyed.

[@JustinaErcole]

I'm so glad that she got you into movement and you've found a routine you enjoy now :)

[@dancinglillies4113]

Same! I started my weight loss and workout journey with Chloe Ting's videos on her website during peak lockdown. back then , i didn't know anything about the fitness side of YT and that she was not certified in fitness. I am still thankful to her because I ended up losing weight and haven't stopped working out since then. I have also moved on Sydney Cummings, thanks to Justina's review on her workouts!

[@Hoogus]

Sydney Cummings 🤔 I just want to know that I wasn’t the only one who thought of that right

[@cjsfunbun]

I think a big problem is those girls tagging her and saying negative stuff aren't educating or being helpful to anyone. It'd be different if they responded the way you do, trying to educate and bring awareness to how she or other people and their content can be perceived

[@JustinaErcole]

Solid point!

[@missraincanyon]

I hate creators who claim that rightful criticism of how problematic they can be is putting down them and their content as a whole. . .WHILE IGNORING THE CRITICISMS ENTIRELY It is SO annoying!

[@JustinaErcole]

same!

[@auricia201]

It seems like she cherry picked the ones where she could give Twitter like cliché replies to 🤦🏻‍♀️ And then she calls people out for creating drama 😂 I had no opinion of her before, but those clips made me dislike her

[@lmbk3294]

Don’t change- you speak the truth and don’t do it in a disrespectful way. I love your honesty and your critiques are thoughtful and educated

[@JustinaErcole]

thank you!!

[@CocoLicious]

I think this lack of acknowledging professional criticism is something that bugs me most about Chloe and Blogilates - yes, you don't need to engage with haters, but learning from other professionals and people's experiences is always something you should consider to do your work better and release better content. Nobody does everything right and there is always something to improve on. But no, it has to be "Abs in 2 weeks" workouts or "sculpting protein bars".

[@JustinaErcole]

THIS

[@AryannaCisnerosChannel]

Yeah it makes me frustrated too like if they were to just thinking about the criticism more instead of going with the defensive route maybe they might actually learn something new.

[@shotinsarajevo]

The whole "women have to support other women!" argument really gets me so riled up... like women can also uphold patriarchy! Women are not immune from doing shitty things! It's like that Eric Andre episode where he asked Mel B if Margret Thatcher used girl power by funneling money to paramilitary death squads in Northern Ireland. People are not immune to criticism just because they happen to belong to a marginalized group! End of rant lol

[@JustinaErcole]

Oh it's 100% just another form of patriarchy!

[@spa-peggymeatballs4861]

A ton of MLM “boss babes” use this exact same tactic. “If you don’t support me you’re not a good feminist. (Now join my downtime??? Plz???)”

[@lillychang4788]

as a chloe ting fan I do feel bad about the hate she's getting. She isn't the only fitness influencer I follow there's a bunch I do follow but I think people have a responsibility to themselves to do the research and take click bait as a grain of salt. This video was great and you did the research. I agree with every point you made.

[@JustinaErcole]

Thanks for watching!

[@jinxedfates]

she explicitly dodged actual critique lol. chloe only engaged with the conversation on the shallow level imo

[@JustinaErcole]

It would have been such a better video if she acknowledged her impact!

[@jinxedfates]

the thing about people saying"chloe causes eds" is that although its not technically true, the onus is not on her, she is definitely someone who markets her work toward people with eds. its not about gaining strengh or mobility or endurance, her workouts are explicitly marketed to change what you look like, quickly. you cant be surprised then that people with eds would seek her out in that case, or really resent them for associating her with it when they start the recovery process

[@auricia201]

She wants eds people's views and money, not their drama and complaints 💀

[@JustinaErcole]

THIS

[@brightknight1965]

She also does a ton of body checking. Her promised results are always her body

[@eliseb8396]

Also her discord channel is full of teenagers displaying ED behaviors and being encouraged (or at least it was a few years ago)

[@mikalie4360]

​@@eliseb8396I'd say it's pretty much better nowadays, with rules against such behavior and mods keeping an eye on it. Quite nice to chat there from time to time, it's not as much focused on just Chloe anymore either. Her website, however, has a forum apparently nowadays, and that totally seemed like what you describe when I looked

[@christina.aniara9593]

Spot on👌 Love Caroline Girvans 10 minute abs where she points out, 10 minute abs, NOT abs in 10 minutes...😁👍

[@JustinaErcole]

YES 100%! There’s a difference!

[@75JayLady]

It's her defensiveness that frustrates me...

[@JustinaErcole]

Me too.

[@seashellgarden2227]

Same.

[@elizabethnahu3422]

as someone who once did chloe ting workouts out, her video was very frustating to me to watch. i feel like she's playing dumb to deflect. There's no way she can't be aware with her clickbait video titles that shes targeting a certain type of audience and captialisinig of the insecurities of ill informed teenage girls and young women. She knew what that girl meant when she said hourglass workout, she's just strawmaning. And to suggest that no women should ever be able to citicise another women ever is just ridiculous. you need to give better reasons why you should not be criticised for what is harmful content. Pulling out the girls supports girls card when you're profiting of the unrealistic female beauty standards the partiarchy created is espiecally wild.

[@JustinaErcole]

THIS!

[@violetash9597]

Lest we forget she has no fitness certifications or degrees listed anywhere on her socials; and then the only time I found out what certs she has was a quick mention of it in her newest lawsuit update video. 😪 I tried doing her workouts when trying to get back into the swing of things a couple years ago, and quickly found out her stuff was not for me. I’m so glad I found your channel and have been doing your and Sydney’s workouts. I’m actually getting positive results and not gaining stress weight from doing them.

[@JustinaErcole]

I'm so glad you've found a mixture of things that work for you and I'm HONORED to be included!

[@saniyadani1862]

But she has always made it clear that the clickbaity titles are only so people click on them and it takes time to see results and diet and exercise go hand in hand.. plus her workouts are mostly targeted towards beginners

[@JustinaErcole]

When was that made clear? Hidden in a random Q&A just like I talked about?

[@krultepes5301]

​@@JustinaErcole in all of her work out videos just look in the bio.

[@Kangseoyun63]

She mentioned about this abs in two week that every body is different from the other ones and some bodies needs time to gain muscles and other will gain the muscles in a small amount of time

[@JustinaErcole]

that's great! it doesn't excuse the clickbait and misinformation around spot reduction.

[@Kangseoyun63]

@@JustinaErcole but that was actually an old video and y'all still there she doesn't a lot of new videos that help anyone and it did with me stop blaming her about her old mistake

[@Vibepikodansha]

​@@Kangseoyun63 lol this channel is just a hater forever lol. And they hide by looking "neutral" about it.

[@joannapatterson4625]

Creators like Chloe Ting purposely target people who have very minimal knowledge about nutrition and fitness. Her titles and workouts are totally clickbait.

[@JustinaErcole]

It’s a shame because I think she truly wants to help people!

[@heyspeckle8782]

Chloe has so much internalised misogyny and she seems really immature. Like, if this video was all I had ever seen and heard from her, I'd think she was maybe 15. Yikes

[@seashellgarden2227]

Haha, I think she's going for an "e-girl" kinda look (ik this sounds stupid, but it's the only way i can describe it). Think belle delphine. She baby talked hard in one of her intros, too; her overall vibes are just like that. I think it's a persona she's attempting to follow. I dont really blame her, she's a fitness influencer; she didnt get popular off her personality.

[@elenakalliste]

Maybe she really does just lack self awareness. It seems like her attitude is very much of the “girl boss” type of mentality, which we all know is very toxic and doesn’t actually help women in any way. Hopefully she’ll do better in the future. But probably not. 😕

[@JustinaErcole]

I hope she does!

[@BrawnyKingFitness]

Good creators respect constructive criticism. Bad creators blame the victims for calling them out. I wonder why Chloe did not respond to creators like me or bigger channels like Geoffrey Verity Schofield, TFNL, etc? The ones who provided logical arguments. It is not just about her. Many creators intentionally put out misleading or harmful content and then play the victim card when called out. This is wrong on so many levels. Cheers to you for making this video 🤜🤛

[@JustinaErcole]

Cheers to you too my friend!

[@redbloodedwoman1179]

she didn't respond bc you provided logical arguments. LOL she clearly wanted to come off in a particular manner.

[@crushitkelley]

I find it amusing that she says in one of the clips that if “your doing good things people will find you” but that is not how her content blew up. From start to finish it was always clickbait/marketing over solid advice. I feel for people who believed it, I really do. I don’t think she is “bad” but most irresponsible as a creator of content for the average person who knows jack about fitness. Just my two cents.

[@JustinaErcole]

Agreed!

[@JazzySaint]

Irresponsible is the perfect way to describe a lot of Chloe's videos/marketing choices that blew up in 2020 (and even her response to the "hate"/"haters" 😅)

[@sherryg1838]

I also had that thought, that it isn’t the good content that blows up!

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

Yeah that’s absolute garbage and she friggin knows it. There are EXPERTS, PhDs, and OLYMPIANS on this platform that don’t have a quarter of the following she does and it’s because they weren’t as lucky as her and didn’t know how to play this KZbin game, which again, SHE KNOWS! 😤

[@1katcab]

I think her (and other creators too) should evaluate why people with existing ED tendencies or on the slippery path to a bigger heath issue turn to her. Those two things are not random and probably there's a connection that someone should study deeply. The youtube space is so big that you get what you're looking for, and peobably if you have a body dismorphia or insecurity, you'll look up what can help you to change that. So, if people is attaching her name to their tricky relationship with their bodies and food, she at least should do an overview of the content she is putting out in the world. As you say, there's other great creators who's no equipment homeworkouts are amazing, like some pilates instructors, madfit or Heather even has some. I dont know about chloe new tittles, I think I clicked the "Im not interested on this channel" a long time ago. Hope you survive when her cult come from you (if they still exist)😂😂

[@JustinaErcole]

Hahaha thank you!

[@Feverm00n]

This is a GREAT point. The fact that she doesn’t seem to give a flip about attracting people with EDs is a startling lack of empathy to me.

[@brightknight1965]

You would think that anyone who faced enough criticism and was called out for things like promoting EDs, spot reduction, etc would at least re-evaluate their approach. But I don’t think she will because clearly it’s working for her. I just hope that with time the fitness community moves away from stuff like this and more towards your type of content (science backed, functional, nuanced)

[@JustinaErcole]

Thank you for your insight!

[@tayprince3]

A lot of her workout videos say how you can’t spot reduce fat, reminding people to eat, and take extra rest days if you need a break.

[@JustinaErcole]

That’s great! I’ve never seen a single video of hers that says that.

[@kahliainglis71]

I started off with Chloe's workouts during covid, and for me they were great at the time, but after (well, towards the end of) covid I got a job at a gym and had free access and quickly realised her workouts weren't for me. I do, however, still use her old cooldown video after every workout I do, I find that one works better than any cooldown I've done. But I was in her discord server and everything, she sent me free bands bc I couldn't afford them. I think her heart's in the right place, she definitely seems like she wants to help people, she's just not quite going about it the right way yk

[@JustinaErcole]

I agree! I think she truly does mean well.

[@auricia201]

I find it hard to take people serious when they are complaining about "haters", because more often than not, the "haters" are just people making valid critiques or having a negative opinion, without actual hate involved 🙄 That being said, i was neutral about this person, i had heard the name, but that was it.

[@JustinaErcole]

Great point! And I’m sure there are people that simply dislike her without cause, but it’s always worth considering feedback when it’s given.

[@angelnbc]

Loved the level headed take you have here! Not jumping on the bandwagon of hating Chloe Ting, but also making sure to call out her problematic behavior and lack of accountability.

[@JustinaErcole]

I think it's a GOOD thing to be held accountable! Glad we agree :)

[@frankquinn6872]

Chloe Ting: “ all I did was create clickybaity titles to videos about exercise routines that come with ridiculously unrealistic promises. People did them and go no results and suddenly I’M the bad guy?”🤷‍♀️Yup. Also - “Abs in 2 weeks” - what nonsense. I mean who has got that long to wait?😉

[@JustinaErcole]

Hahaha I want them in 2 DAYS!

[@levl0p285]

BUT HER WORKOUTS WORK. Just because yall havent tried it and sit down doing nothing with yall lazy ahses you dont have the right to hate one her its embarrasing. I have been doing her workouts for over 4 years INCLUDING the 2 week ab workout and it works. I'm tired of insecure people like you hating on accomplished people like her just because you dont meet her Standard of live. Its absolutely disgusting.

[@vtheory7531]

@@levl0p285 Bro are you secretly Chloe writing this? If you watch the entire video Justina agreed that some of the criticism Chloe gets is unreasonable e.g. blaming her for giving people EDs, and she's also pointing out that Chloe's disclaimers are not enough to undo the misleading clickbait titles. If it worked for you great, but it may not for others and it's scummy of her to make promises that she can't deliver (e.g. abs in 2 weeks) at the expense of her followers' mental health and body image just so she can get more engagement. This is not pointless hate, it's valid criticism, and she needs to listen and learn. In fact you're the one hating and calling everyone who criticises Chloe lazy while Justina is literally a certified fitness coach! Tell me how is she lazy? Misleading clickbait is just not cool anymore, and many creators e.g. Caroline Girvan, Sydney Cummings etc. don't do this and they still have large followings from the quality of their workouts.

[@levl0p285]

@@vtheory7531 "Hourglass in 2 weeks" is a very VERY unrealistic goal and would be false advertising but her 2 week ab workout ACTUALLY gives you abs in two weeks so there is no false information and THAT makes the difference. (i did it myself.) You make her out to be someone who clickbaits but she is not lying and MILLIONS of people that do her workouts are the confirmation of that. There will allways be people that complain and blame people "above" them for their failure and the more well known you are the more you become the target of those people. You need to keep in mind that cloe ting is one of the biggest if not the biggest female workout youtuber on this plattform. Thats just how the world is and either you see that or you dont but if you dont youll have to accept that people will tell you how it is.

[@monicam9280]

I think that's also the point of this entire conversation. It "works" because You've been doing it for 4 years. Not for two weeks.

[@Lorraine_Pagan_Parks]

Justina, I love your compassionate yet no BS approach to fitness and coaching. I love your content so much ❤️ rock on!

[@JustinaErcole]

Thank you!

[@paigeresch9338]

yes to everything you said. AND that workout at the 8 minute mark has HOURGLASS in the thumbnail. Thank you!

[@JustinaErcole]

glad you enjoyed!

[@colombaantonia9593]

Imo you were waaay too kind on this one😬😅I watched the video and I literally got so mad at her hypocrisy, forced feminism and inability to address her mistakes, that I had to get outside for a walk to calm down😆

[@JustinaErcole]

haha i'm trying my best to lead with empathy without erasing my personality :)

[@bougiepeaches5497]

Two of my pet peeves about these fitness influencers(not all, but some) is the photoshop of their bodies and no scientific evidence to prove their point. I understood both Chloe's and the audience's points of view, but I understood the audience's point of view a little more than Chloe's now because her not taking accountability is what threw me off.

[@JustinaErcole]

100%!

[@levl0p285]

5:52 Its not the same thing. "Hourglass in 2 weeks" is a very VERY unrealistic goal and would be false advertising but her 2 week ab workout ACTUALLY gives you abs in two weeks so there is no false information and THAT makes the difference. (i did it myself.) Just because it might make someone else insecure it doesnt mean that she isnt allowed to show off her body and lifestyle because girls like me that know how to comprehend with stuff like that actually enjoy her content and can grow and better themselfes with it. All these tiktokers forget that cloe is not just "one of these big youtubers"but she is a human with feelings and getting accused of so many false things including hurting people mentaly knowingly is a VERY hard accusation. I have done cloe ting workout for OVER 4 years and i'm only 16 and thats how i know that cloe tells the viewers in almost EVERY workout video to take longer breaks if they need it and to stop if they dont feel well so accusing her of for example making you over exerciseis just absolutely disgusting and hurtfull wich makes me feel really bad for cloe. People really need to get up and stop bringing someone down just because they have different live standards as them. Period.

[@JustinaErcole]

Is this getting shared on a “teens for Chloe ting Reddit” lol

[@levl0p285]

@@JustinaErcole no what?🤦‍♀️

[@JustinaErcole]

All of a sudden a bunch of teenagers are running to defend her on this video. If you don't mind people lying to you, awesome. But I work in this industry and am trying to make it better. You'll grow up and hopefully understand that lying to consumers is unethical, no matter how "good" the workouts are.

[@levl0p285]

@@JustinaErcole You make her out to be a liar in your video and THATS unethical. Instead of milking content out of a mostly unproblematic lifestyle and workout youtuber you could try actually finding someone that is worth criticizing and then you can actually help people. You make her out to be a liar in this video but she is not lying and MILLIONS of people that do her workouts are the confirmation of that. There will allways be people that complain and blame people "above" them for their misery and the more well known you are the more you become the target of those people. You need to keep in mind that cloe ting is one of the biggest female workout youtubers on this plattform. Thats just how the world is and either you see that or you dont but if you dont youll have to accept that people will tell you how it is and that this is not some"teens for cloe ting Reddit" or however you may like to call it. But you should know that since your the grown up?

[@missbutt8214]

​@@JustinaErcole girl, you're insecure

[@nopahrefa4466]

gd I dunno. There's Chloe Ting the private person, and there's Chloe Ting the content (creator) and those are different things, and the entire haters response video is her acting as if those are one and the same, and specifically they are the private person Chloe Ting. It's very... she's taking criticisms of the actions taken by the business she's built up around her and going 'how dare you say that to me, you don't even know me' but no one is saying anything about her - in fact most people are beyond gracious in going 'chloe the private person is presumably a wonderful human being' before then going 'chloe, the persona that is the face of this business had done some shady shit', that's not about pretending to be an angel and refusing to be a hater to be a hater or whatever. It's explicating the difference between the two.

[@JustinaErcole]

oooh this is a great take.

[@skgalaxy2]

Unpopular opinion: spot reduction does actually work after all. Science isn't perfect, people do studies and get different results all the time. A recent study shows that it is actually possible. Every fitness influencer holds onto the idea that it's a myth like it is the holy grail or something. They always shoot it at others to criticize them. Other than new studies saying otherwise, it's just common sense. When you grow a muscle in an area and stay consistent for a while the fat in that area will eventually burn more than the fat that is further away from that muscle.

[@JustinaErcole]

Hey! I just made a video about that study. But the small sample size and conclusions drawn aren’t super convincing.

[@jonashleynewman8512]

As someone still recovering from disordered eating and problematic views on workouts, i had ro unsubscribe and avoid youtubers who use clickbait titles. Just reading them can be triggering to me, which is where i understand people saying Chloe Ting (or really any other clickbaity KZbinr) causes ED but from my experience i can see that it is something i have to work on and i have the ability to not look at these videos and put up my own boundaries. I hope some of these other people can come to the same place ❤ just unsubscribe and move on. Eat your doughnut girl!!

[@JustinaErcole]

:)

[@wovendoves5185]

As far as I'm aware, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the fact that Chloe STILL promotes those clickbaity videos on her website. Around the time her response to the backlash was posted, I was doing her 2 week ab shred challenge and pretty much the entire plan was full of those videos still.

[@enelrahcreivaj]

I found your channel because of Chloe Ting and this group of Vietnamese Zumba women “EvaFitness” and they promise abs weight loss in x amount of time. I clearly remember when you said “why do you need abs in 14 days, anyway?!” Boom!!! Yes, Chloe does not get it - she has impact/influence as she is an influencer. Keep up the good work, Justina.

[@JustinaErcole]

thank you for watching!

[@natalieykf]

Your critique is spot on! I 100% agree with you about Heather, Caroline, and Sydney. I've found immense value in their content, just as I have with yours, because it's honest and genuine. What I admire in some content creators is how they stay true to their mission of promoting health and movement. They don't mind critiquing or even taking down their own videos, even popular ones, that no longer serve this mission. No one is perfect and I totally understand the need to monetize content. But accountability matters, and it builds trust.

[@JustinaErcole]

Great words Natalie, thank you for sharing!

[@emm8357]

I’ve only just found Caroline and OMG they’re fantastic workouts. Literally killing me every time 😂

[@__Tiziana__]

You know two fitness personalities that actually acknowledge and always have acknowledged their previously problematic clickbait contents? Daniel and Kelli from Fitness Blender! Back in, like, 2015, they used to have workout titles like "get legs like Carry Underwood" or "something something hourglass shape" (in which you had to manipulate small water bottles to...wait for it... grow boobs!). Although, much like Chloe, you could check the description box and read that spot reduction is a myth, at some point they completely stopped doing clickbaits and acknowledged that it was a terrible idea in the first place, even though it helped them with the algorithm and everything for sure! I know that you made a very positive review about their content a few years ago... I wonder if you know that recently (an year and a half, maybe?) they have grown immensely and now they have physiotherapists, certified personal trainers, a psychologist and other highly specialized professionals actively working with them? It's so impressive! It's a little cringe to say it like that, but I feel so proud of their growth! Yeah, long story short, Fitness Blender, Renaissance Periodization and you, Justina, are the ONLY fitness professionals that I trust and respect. Thank you for the great contents you constantly put out! AND BYE KEVIN! : )

[@JustinaErcole]

I remember when they took accountability and was thrilled! We're all allowed to learn and grow, but the important thing is that we OWN our mistakes :)

[@izalikah7616]

I missed this! I remember seeing like "tank top arms "and feeling weird about it because it doesn't seem to align with their overall message, and I still think about that sometimes, but I never caught this accountability video. If you know what it's called or have the link, I'd love to watch it 😊

[@Amy-jj8gy]

If we should all support each other, we should all support the Kardashians, right? She’s acting like a teenager and I can only hope she grows up soon.

[@JustinaErcole]

Exactly! But a lot of people love them haha

[@emilyng7539]

Justina, DON'T EVER CHANGE. Your information and comments on other creators isn't even disrespectful, it is informative and you aren't even being mean about it either. Please continue being who you are because you have so much knowledge, compassion, and empathy for people and even listens to others to see what is attainable and are able to help themselves. Even though I do not do functional strength training (never picked up a kettle bell in my life), I do resistance band training and bodyweight training to keep in shape and your videos on the form of the bodyweight movements have helped me immensely. And I really love how your content is relatable to the everyday Joe. Please do not change Justina, you are of more higher quality in your work, ethics, morals, and other characteristics than you think.

[@JustinaErcole]

😭😭😭 thank you!

[@ridinreiners]

Chloe Ting is using deflection to avoid taking any responsibility. She’s swearing and being quite childish.

[@acetylenevirgil]

i think chloe is totally within her rights to say that people can have a really disingenuous way of delivering constructive criticism (tiktok is especially bad for this because of its short form content -content that is quippy and fits into a recognizable meme format will necessarily perform better than a 5 part, sit down mini essay), it's also, like, blatantly misrepresenting why the creator captioned their video the way that they did. chloe pointedly cuts off the second half of the sentence which references her use of clickbait time frames (abs in 2 weeks, hourglass in 5 weeks, etc.) it's not a video that i'd make personally specifically because i would be worried about it getting back to the original creator, but the caveat was meant to distinguish between chloe ting as a person and the content she was making - they were clarifying that they don't hate hate chloe but have (valid) criticisms of the content. marketing your content using potentially harmful means is the harder to defend premise in the statement though so 🤷🏻 i also don't want to dictate how personally someone should take comments made about them - on the internet, no less - but it does feel equally disingenuous to frame all of the criticism she receives as if it's "hating" or bullying when it is almost all explicitly about choices she is actively making. to pretend that her content just like, comes into being looking the way that it does without any input from her on substance, title or thumbnail feels a bit childish to me. simultaneously playing the "people underestimate my expertise because of their own biases" card and the "i'm just trying my best 🥺" card just doesn't sit right with me. either you need to be held to a higher standard than most because you are presenting yourself as a guide for people to follow or you shouldn't be representing yourself as an authority on the subject, but you really can't pick both.

[@JustinaErcole]

Such a great take, thank you for watching!

[@nicoleisheretolearn]

This was a very kind and reasonable critique… but Chloe actually does seem toxic and her response to criticisms makes it seem more so. At best, she seems wilfully, harmfully ignorant. And she’s definitely not the only one. I also don’t think she’s popular because she makes valuable, quality content. I think she makes content that preys on and feeds into people’s insecurities but it hides behind a positive “encouraging” veneer so it can get a pass for “at least getting people moving!” But it’s doing that through feeding insecurities as opposed to all the other creators that focus on less problematic things. I get the “meet people where they are” argument -and agree with it - but I see no evidence of her combatting that heavily problematic things she’s leading with or trying to help people past the self-harmful thinking she’s meeting them at, if you get me?

[@JustinaErcole]

This is a solid point!

[@hehehehehe-q5z]

"You don't have to bring someone down to bring yourself up" Y'all keep hating, lmao. Her workouts work. If someone has an ED go seek professional help. Chloe doesn't need to be accountable about someone else's mental problems

[@JustinaErcole]

What does “work” mean?

[@Vibepikodansha]

​@@JustinaErcole it works dude. Why don't you try it out yourself. there are literally people out there showing their progress and such. Are those lies? Why don't you ask them yourself. Especially her giving FREE schedules of regimes Is really great. I follow other japanese fitness youtubers as well. I won't blame Chloe or any fitness guru wholly when I'm also responsible to see what works out for me and what doesn't. And yes, if they have ED, please be responsible. I have depression and suicidal tendencies, you don't catch me trying to worsen that for me. Her motivating me to exercise everyday helped me a ton with my mental and physical health and probably why I'm still alive today.

[@JustinaErcole]

@@Vibepikodansha It seems like you're really upset. I'm simply educating people on the impact of lying to consumers. And I did try her workouts 4 or 5 years ago. I simply asked what "works" means since there are thousands of different goals.

[@tracyramos1019]

Putting a time table on results is such a red flag. Content creators don't know anything about your health or lifestyle unless they are doing a one on one session with you.

[@JustinaErcole]

THIS

[@kiloka665]

I really am at the place now where I believe you should have to present any platform with your certifications and qualifications as well as a background check before posting health (mental or physical) content. I know it's a little extreme, but then I believe this type of thing will be minimized.. we see where we are without that type of regulation. The Eugenia Cooneys, Amberlynn Reids, and Chloe Tings of the this platform need to be banned. I actually don't hate Chloe, I see so much potential in her and I like that all her content is free to access (I also like her spunky attitude, but I wish she'd use it in a positive way instead of just deflecting) I just think she needs to (1) take accountability, as you said very beautifully, (2) go get an actual real, respectable degree in her craft, (3) make the appropriate changes. This is a very nuanced discussion for me because I actually had my ED fueled when I was younger by Blogilates (she did not cause it, she just made content that attracted my vulnerable and young self who already had disordered thoughts and fueled the fire, much as Chloe is doing these days for the younger generation, so I understand), but finding Chloe Ting actually started the catalyst towards me not wanting to be malnourished and actually being able to do HIIT/light resistance instead of being so weak the only exercise I could do was mainly laying on the floor and lifting my leg and crunching my neck, thus helping me eat more to sustain such movement, which probably ended up saving my life indirectly as a result. One could view it as maybe going from one problematic creator to another, and I acknowledge that, but I do thank Chloe in a way for making content that changed my mindset and eventually led to me recovering from an ED with the help of a healthcare team. And I know my experience is not universal -- Chloe is a lot of people's Blogilates, which is very unfortunate. As I've recovered and become slightly more educated, I can see how Chloe really does symbolize a lot that's wrong with this platform and the health/fitness space in general and I really do feel like it's such a shame. Again, I really think she has tons of potential, but unfortunately here we are. Well said as always, Justina.

[@JustinaErcole]

thank you for sharing part of your story!

[@LexiePersonForever]

i never disliked or thought negatively of chloe ting until she started fighting to NOT take accountability for valid criticism... like.... that's not how life works. none of us are jesus, you're gonna mess up, where most people judge you is how you respond to that

[@JustinaErcole]

100%!

[@emm8357]

I - like many others - did Chloe’s workouts over lockdown. She popped back up in my feed over the Christmas holiday and I suddenly noticed how she seems to be quite concerned with physical appearance as opposed to health and strength. There are still a few of her videos that I’ll probably do on active recovery days because I enjoyed them and haven’t done them in years, but I was surprised how much I completely missed the physical appearance thing the first time around. PS - that airdrop sound really confused me, i was looking for something to pop up on my screen 🤣

[@JustinaErcole]

Hahha it confused me too 😂 thanks for watching!

[@robmarsh918]

So, Kevin is a truck? Love the timing of that LOL

[@BookishlyFab]

Oof before seeing this video I just never cared about her, now I actively dislike her. There’s nothing to respect in her hostile response to constructive criticism.

[@JustinaErcole]

It's a shame, because I think she does actually want to help people!

[@AnonymousMonroe]

I'd love to see you review Inc Dance Fit. I've been doing their workouts for a while, but I can not find a single reaction video or review, and their videos are so different from anything else I've found.

[@JustinaErcole]

Never heard of them! But after a quick search it seems like they make a lot of false claims 😬

[@sherryg1838]

I’ve never done her workouts, her style doesn’t appeal to me. But yes, responding to criticism with the haters defense is always annoying. I did see a video once with a psychologist or counselor who helps her deal with social media. He seemed very professional. Maybe she’s not listening to him either!

[@JustinaErcole]

Social media is an insane thing so I'm glad she has someone to talk to!

[@Sogotistics1]

Hey ^^ I always did Chloe Tings workouts till because I found them effective. I was already knowledgeable that I won’t get abs and a thin waist within like two weeks so I did them. Watching this made me realise how misleading and click baiting her content was and is so I’m glad you made this video. It is also my first time watching your video and it was filled with information that I learned. The fact she is not able to take accountability is really disheartening- I hope she would address this and sees your video and realise the issues of her content. Also thank you for the other recommendations of exercise channels that I will look into. I hope you have a good day ^^

[@JustinaErcole]

You have a great day day too!

[@flameangel88]

I was doing my make-up and had to stop halfway because I got really angry. I don’t like her content but hey, I am just not her target audience. Sadly This video is making me lose any respect I had for her. It’s manipulative to use female support point to paint this “them” vs “us” narrative to her supporters. This does nothing but to alienate them further. Can’t deny that she did get a lot of people moving during covid, but I think it’s needs to be studied if she is doing more harm than good. And thank you for being so respectful in the video. 😊

[@JustinaErcole]

Oh yeah it's rarely black and white, good or bad. She did a lot of good getting people moving and making it super accessible! But unfortunately she also seems to have caused a lot of damage.

[@SilentTrip]

I know a person who did one of her challenges for 30 days and was sticking to a "healthy" diet they overestimated their energy levels and got hypothalamic amenorrhea. They became extremely underweight (they are recovering now by eating and cutting back on exercising), but it was a tough lesson btw I'm not blaming CT at all since she has this disclaimer to not follow her challenges or exercises if you have health issues. At least consult with doctors first

[@Vibepikodansha]

I mean that's why Nutritionists as a job exist. Chloe shares her stuff but people really need to be aware she's not a hired person specifying stuff for individuals. That's what happens when you get stuff free. Meaning it's not 100% targeted for you. Glad to see you're open minded about it. this video just seems to hate her flat out. If it doesn't work for you, then trial and error. Expecting magical results is bad for anything, not just about fitness.

[@kiyokochanable]

.She said that those tittles are for people to click, because people won't click unless there's a lie on them.

[@JustinaErcole]

But that’s not true. Plenty of successful coaches don’t use titles like that.

[@user-se5ef5pl3o]

Chloe ting has 25 million followers bc her workouts work.

[@JustinaErcole]

lol

[@ivahacka]

Great breakdown, I really enjoyed your commentary. Also, you look really pretty in this one. (Not sure if you changed anything, usually I'm more of a listener than a watcher)

[@JustinaErcole]

thanks! and I finally got my hair cut & colored after 6 months lol

[@ivahacka]

@@JustinaErcole Makes sense, the whole video I was staring at your hair!

[@jksixjfk3006]

lol this whole video is a reach

[@JustinaErcole]

lol this whole comment is a reach

[@jemel4269]

Keep up with posting your honest feedback and calling out the people who are posting bull sh**. Love your videos and the FITT Club. You are a breath of fresh air 🙂

[@JustinaErcole]

Oh wow thank you so much!!

[@lizziestockwell5461]

Your hair is gorgeous! I had to pause the video to tell you this lol.

[@JustinaErcole]

Thank you so much!

[@rudolphpieters7918]

Justina, once again, you are correct. I have used her stretches and warm ups, but not her workouts. I am a Christine Salus and C. Girvan fan for the most part.

[@JustinaErcole]

thank you for watching!

[@judithsanchez6215]

If you click in a "get abs in two weeks" and get mad that you, in fact do not get those abs in two weeks, you are the problem... I mean, don't we have critical thinking skills? And i also dont understand the whole EDs thing so focused on her bc "she focuses so much in her body instead of in being healthy". Have you seen the plant-based/vegan influencers? They supposedly do focus on "health and listening to your body" yet I've never seen such a toxic follower base (and so full of people with EDs or recovering from them)... "Healthy lifestyle influencers" are... A mess. But you are suposed to disengage with people that triggers you, nobody is forcing you nor is supposed to make sure you take intelligent choices over your social media...😅

[@JustinaErcole]

This gives the same energy as “what was she wearing.”

[@judithsanchez6215]

@@JustinaErcole says a lot about you, I guess

[@JustinaErcole]

Nope! Says a lot about how you'd rather blame the individual rather than the circumstances that got us here.

[@Vibepikodansha]

​@@JustinaErcole this isn't rape nor coercion dude. Nothing illegal. You're not forced to follow her. You can just click on other videos, Simple as that.

[@redrudra]

I follow a exercise channel for older women, but I’m turned off by how often she mentions slimming and losing weight in the context of the workouts. Seems they make the calorie deficit disclaimer and then go on to talk about workouts for weight loss and flat stomach anyway, gets clicks I guess.

[@JustinaErcole]

That’s a shame :(

[@AaronF189]

She's definitely culpable. Primary cause...no, but culpable. By perpetuating nonsense like "abs in 2 weeks" she is actively contributing to the fitness garbage that distracts and misleads people.

[@JustinaErcole]

100%

[@rosanajaquez3274]

Great video, Justina. I think she makes some points with her commentary, but she doesn’t directly address the valid criticisms you brought up. She specifically doesn’t address the fact that many of the titles for her earliest content are click bait. Had she just said that there was a purpose behind these titles abc acknowledged growth beyond these early beginnings, it would have been a powerful argument. As it is, this video of hers is pretty defensive and not effective.

[@JustinaErcole]

Agreed 100%!

[@KathehFIT]

Not me saying bye Kevin out loud lol

[@JustinaErcole]

hahaha I love that!

[@lakshmi8621]

i love growingwithnnanas, don't you think those workouts have a random selection of excercises? are those workouts really worth doing?

[@JustinaErcole]

Yeah I don’t love her programming because there’s no real progression that I’ve seen. But “worth doing” fully depends on you! If her workouts are the only thing you’ll do, that’s better than nothing :)

[@andreanas1402]

Chloe comes across as a kind of a mean girl in this video

[@AislingDonohoe]

Sorry to digress,but your teeth are gorgeous!😄

[@JustinaErcole]

oh thank you!

[@erinoloughlin9982]

Id love for you to comment on Abby pollack. She works out so much and eats so little with the reason her "tummy gets upset"....

[@JustinaErcole]

I actually never heard of her!

[@Laf631]

Does Chloe provide any prescriptive eating plans for people that are basically so calorically restrictive that they are indirectly encouraging an eating disorder? Because everything I've seen from her has been workout content, and yeah, you can't spot reduce fat, but also "here's an ab routine" is nowhere in the ballpark of "you shouldn't eat food," and I understand why she feels that it's unfair to blame her for that.

[@JustinaErcole]

Not to my knowledge! I scanned her website quickly and there's just some recipes on there.

[@thedolcetto81]

From what I remember seeing (from other channels) she used to put out videos saying "I'm doing this diet and workout to achieve this goal for me, so you don't have to try". Usually these workouts and diet plans were quite restrictive. So people accused her to always walking on the edge of "I'm having this ED tending behaviour, so you don't have too" that causes so many viewers to actually try it as well.

[@kathyk3792]

Why are you picking on Chloe. She looks great does the workouts. Why dont you just stop talking about others

[@JustinaErcole]

Andddd you missed the point

[@theEumenides]

Chloe's rant around 11:40 was crazy sexist. Wow.

[@JustinaErcole]

Yuppppp

[@jasminetay9820]

I feel that. ..Chole cannot handle hate and constructive critism.

[@tessi6155]

ok this is enough... u are literally making content on someone who is more famous than you. This is ok, but your opinions are extremly missleading... WTF, this is so bad in many ways

[@JustinaErcole]

What’s misleading?

[@420kerbster]

Put in the work NOTHING worth having comes quick…”that’s what she said”😂 but really I don’t know how bright u have to be to believe it can be done in 2 weeks ❤

[@Anne-hm7sv]

I lost 16kg thanks to her workouts! I think she's amazing and don't understand all the hate

[@JustinaErcole]

Hey! If you take the time to watch the video, you can see how I break down piece by piece why Chloe gets hate. It's mainly from lying to her followers. But if you don't mind people lying to you simply because you lost weight, that's your choice. Personally, I believe we deserve better.

[@imquiin8941]

My opinion on all of this is as someone who did Chloe workouts is that yes Chloe never promoted ed however the reality is that yes the fact that she is on « society standards » of women bodies or that her thumbnails were very clickbait did give her a boost snd that also the time where she picked was a time where a lot of people were into a really bad mental health phase so she could’ve done better or at least start inserting TW on her content or recipes

[@kasey33]

I agree, missed opportunity on her part. She suffers from a fragile ego.

[@JustinaErcole]

It’s a shame, because I do actually think she wants to help people!

[@july3817]

Yes to not blaming others for your ED but they didn't do that. It's just a fact that a LOT of people used her workouts when they had an ED, me included. It's something that sadly a lot of people can relate to and while she didn't cause eating disorders, her titles and marketing definitely didn't help anyone either. Edit: not to mention her response screams insecurity and defensiveness so yeah not a good look for her

[@saharaofthedeep]

Yeah I think you're just not understanding what she's saying. She never specifically says "spot reduction doesn't work" she says in several different workouts that if you want to obtain visible abs, your body fat is a key player in that and that the workouts are there to build your ab muscles but if there is too much fat to see them, there's too much fat to see them. Prettymuch every time she puts out new ab related programs she explains this. She also states that weight loss is achieved through a combination of exercising and healthy diet and then tells people to visit her website for recipes. She doesn't need to specifically debunk the myth of spot reduction because she never at any point in any video states that you can achieve abs through spot reduction. It's a completely irrelevant complaint and yes she does actually explain how to actually achieve abs. On her website there are descriptions that explain how they work your muscles, and assist with weight loss. She also says in several of her workouts such as the hip dip workout that doing the video isn't going to necessarily change your body shape and that there's nothing wrong with hip dips, it's just a program designed to tone the muscles that would reduce the appearance of hip dips. Her ab videos have disclaimers like this too ever since people started imagining that her videos will cause weight loss in their belly.

[@JustinaErcole]

I also did a video where I looked at her disclaimers, and there is nothing there (at least when I filmed the video) that explains any of this. Maybe she added this information after the fact. But regardless, her marketing is predatory and misleading. The fact that she takes zero accountability is wild.

[@deedee20062008]

I feel we could be friends in real life… your honesty, values, fairness in your approach is something that resonates with me! One day we’ll share a coffee date! 😂 that’s in my to do list lol

[@JustinaErcole]

I would love that! If you’re ever in nyc :)

[@deedee20062008]

@@JustinaErcole NYC is one of my dream cities! I’ll definitely hit you up! Please do the same if you’re in London! 😎

[@JustinaErcole]

I'll actually be there in May!@@deedee20062008

[@abigaildemesa9113]

Chloe needs some self awareness as an influencer

[@y-yyy]

Gotta love how she's all about giRl PoWEr, but then is blatantly sexist at 11:40 and mocks a girl for simply making a tiktok about her ED experience at 13:25 ... very mature

[@ItsJackiee13]

Well, I started working out two years ago and I did start with Chloe's programme. I like it, bcs it made me workout every day, set up rutine and I felt really proud after 30 days without missing single day. And from that I moved to another 30 days programm but from Sydney C.So yes, it is bad and problematic, but in some way it helped me a lot.

[@DewelynC]

I don't think you are mean. You are straight to the point, no bs, fair. You give people the respect they deserve. If someone uses morally dubious means of marketing, they should be called out. Also, I'm not sure if she suffers from cognitive dissonance or what. I mean, she HAS to be aware of what gets clicks and what does not. She has to, right? And she is not defending her workouts with _any_ science. All she says is "well you just hate me☹️". She also seems to have some internalised misogyny (like with using the word"pussy" in the context she did).

[@Kymmrodri12]

It’s the click bates title for me .. Lily Sabri… Pamela Reid smh I do want to try one her program to see what is all the commotion . I’ve seen people who done her workout that it’s super repetitive and they want to quit half way .

[@JustinaErcole]

Absolutely!

[@Queenlili4life]

I just was watching that video but I didn’t finish it

[@heidiw3615]

Chloe Ting is like Wikipedia, a beginner platform to get you into fitness. I used to believe that you can actually get a toned body with just weightless workout (not even calisthenics) because she says it in her videos. So she is quite misleading I would say

[@Saidhi87]

It should not be given like a “one size fits all” recipe, but thanks to her, I have a toned body. I use my body weight or minimal weight/resistance bands. So it’s possible-but not for everyone, of course. Plus, Chloe does have alternatives and mentions them in her videos, etc. You can always add weights and resistance, fasten the tempo, do it the hard way, etc. The main thing is your looks and how toned you will appear will always be influenced by your fat percentage and how/where you store the fat the most. Some people could do everything right but never have a toned, flat belly or thighs. It´s not their fault, not the fault of their trainers - it´s just like their body works naturally to keep itself healthy.

[@Vibepikodansha]

Lol just hire someone. You're getting it for free. Not sure if you even lasted a month.

[@Sabrina.LC17]

You should adjust the camera a bit so that your hands are not the focal point of your video.

[@JustinaErcole]

But my hands were supposed to be the focal point!

[@spa-peggymeatballs4861]

Missing the forest for the hands. Lol. (Joking)

[@JustinaErcole]

😂😂😂

[@LUVBUG24K]

You only have 59k subscribers? Bro WHAT I would’ve sworn you had like wayyyy more

[@JustinaErcole]

slowly climbing haha

[@DilaCins]

She made me start exercising (which i am really grateful for) also she is one of the "toxic diet culture starters" she has some points that are right but the eay she talks and adresses gives me the ick

[@elizabethl4722]

Let's have a KZbin channel where I criticize people. So sad.

[@JustinaErcole]

Yep! It’s so sad that I call out individuals who profile off of their lies to try and help people understand how their bodies work.

[@missbutt8214]

​@@JustinaErcole then do it without criticising other KZbinrs

[@july3817]

@@missbutt8214 when the KZbinrs are the ones who lie?

[@y-yyy]

Oh my god, I heard of Chloe Ting before and never had an opinion on her, never heard her speak until this video. She really, really doesn't seem like a good, mature or responsible person... Wow. Why do we as a society keep making these terrible people famous? This is sad.

[@tumblrqueen8143]

I feel bad for Chloe because I know lots of people developed and struggled with EDs during the first lockdown workouts and her workouts were very popular at the time, so now people just associate her with being the cause of these people’s EDs

[@JustinaErcole]

There's definitely a lot of assumed correlation there!

[@jacksseawheeze2911]

Never heard of her 😂