Why Does Consciousness Allow Violence Towards Children?

A man asks why perfect consciousness allows violence toward children.
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[@vulpesser]

Rupert, marvelous....marvelous. I have no words for the clarity, precision, elegancy, love and wisdom coming through you. Deepest gratitude to Existence for your being, for the words you share. Amazing. I am so grateful. The clarity you give. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Razor sharp yet so tender and loving, patient. True master, thank you, thank you life for this one. Truly a light in the darkness, friend. All the blessings, all the gratitude, all the love to you

[@davidhollyfield5148]

My sentiments exactly. This is what I wrote on another talk; "I love the way Rupert speaks of this with such elegant precision, without bringing in any cultural reference or 'new agey' ideas to clutter the purity of the teaching".

[@thecoroner99]

Thank you for your wonderful comment. You speak from my heart.

[@EverHappyDude]

Are you for real? He was hiding from the question. He changed and downplayed the question. The gentleman didn't ask anything about evil. The question was: why does consciousness allow violence against children. Even after the answer given, the conclusion seems that for the single lóving conciousness, manifesting as a separable individual, ís worth the price of children suffering gruesomely(!) That we, live in a reality, wherein a single lóving conciousness, apparantly, couldn't care less about screaming children in agony. It's a price worth paying?

[@catem3102]

Surely there's no meaning in 'price' to the Infinite. It will include everything. Whole. Inclusive. 'Everything' includes both ends of the good/bad poles of duality. Separation causes vulnerability, fear, defence, evil. Consciousness manifests and it can manifest infinite possibilities, and one of those will be violence to a child. That's the worst possible dream/manifestation. Some of us live nightmares, some of us in mostly peace.

[@idrisbey3063]

I think Gabor Mate said that, trauma occurs in a child not because of the violence, but the sense of separation that violence induces. If there was no sense of separation in it, violence would not traumatize at all. So what is truly gruesome is not the violence, it's the separation.

[@warriorpoet9629]

Dear god this is brilliant. If one can truly understand this then they will never ask again “ why evil.” Thank you Rupert.

[@sourabh369]

Can you explain what God is ? There is Evil definitely so it is obvious to ask why evil. I, too, have same question why evil ?

[@TaxemicFanatic]

@@sourabh369 I don't mean this to sound condescending but I would encourage you to watch this video again, evil is explained here. If you'd like to understand who are what God is then I would urge you to be still and look within. Watch some Alan Watts videos on how to achieve this level of consciousness.

[@sourabh369]

@@TaxemicFanatic , Thanks for responding. Gratitude from heart. Here, in india, there is definitely spiritual heritage. We are well aware of excellent words from Upanishads & other texts etc. , but not a jot we understand in reality. Masters like Rupert are big help in dissolving illusion. Oh, what a clear & direct approach from Rupert!❤️...

[@johnburman966]

@@sourabh369 God and evil, are part of duality. Unity is one thing without distinctions. What we are, our fully mature selves, includes both extremes, depending where we place awareness. The proposal is to be aware of both extremes at all times. This is called " polishing the mirror" so far I have only been at it for 50 years.....no sweat, I have an inner life.

[@sourabh369]

@@johnburman966 , Thank you, Liked this line 'The proposal is...' Gratitude...

[@catem3102]

Crying. I feel like I finally understand what was utterly incomprehensible to my separate self. I don't choose what I dream, and Consciousness Itself is dreaming every possibility, even the very worst.

[@Clogmonger]

Sounds like a nightmare.

[@TigerDragonStorm]

Nice Rupert. In other words, consciousness does not know "violence" it only knows its infinite Self. Mind sees what isn't, thus we must remember what we are (indivisible consciousness) before more violence happens 🙏🏾

[@MarcosBetancort]

If violence can be defined as an idea then consciousness knows it because all there is is consciousness. Infinite consciousness knows every thought and act perfectly, it is consciousness that created it.

[@OneAwareness1]

Consciousness knows “violence,” but it can only observe

[@voidn6410]

Having been molested one time and raped another in my childhood in this body, I can fully attest that this response is as clear as can be from Rupert. Where separation begins to be believed, all things are possible, yet oneness remains as it is always. Its repercussions are still in effects from the finite's point of view yet it is already forgiven, even a non-happening if we want to use that word on the ultimate level. So wonderful, so wonderful! Beautiful explanation, the depth of this message never ceases to beautify itself.

[@somethingness]

Thank you very much for your comment. I found it very helpful.

[@AenLu]

somethingness so did I. Thank you so much, Being Fully Alive

[@lemostjoyousrenegade]

@Alex Lambden YES! How wonderful! His sharing must be such a blessing for others who have experienced the same or similar happenings.

[@zain4019]

Bless you, beautiful soul.

[@lisathomas1622]

Thank you for your perspective. For me, I did not suffer this but I agonize over knowing it happens, and it is nice to know you are transcending the experience into something positive.

[@Dizzeegaskell]

Either you clarity has increased, or my capacity to understand has. This is wonderful to watch. The metaphor you guide us through is water tight, and so vivid.

[@pedromanuel9581]

I always get stuck on the “WHY”. “WHY” does Infinite consciousness/awareness/God need to collapse itself into our separate selves/minds and forget about its true, all-knowing, all loving and eternal self? Isn’t that enough? Why does it “NEED” to have this illusionary/false experience of separation which can also experience Evil as well as good?? I guess that will never be answered.

[@bigdisme5622]

Doesn't make much sense why it would find a way to lose having all for experiences it can't take with it anyway.

[@TIMBOLD]

To show its infinite potential..To express that love in every possible way.. It doesn't need or have to *do it* .(that's from a finite perspective) It just *is* ,it's spontaneous.

[@v1nAyA]

In order to experience anything including breath that I'm alive, objects are created by that powerful need to experience oneself. So, indeed as directed by Mr. Rupert, insight will reveal itself... Otherwise how would anyone know AM ALIVE...???

[@mattcoadtube]

Rupert does sorta cover that in the first section. But you have to fill in the blanks a bit. people have attempted to give nice poetic answers to your question. and they are good answers. perhaps the absolutely terrible horrible answer for us living the illusion of separation is their is no why. you have to have the perspective of a limited consciousness to have a why. you can talk about expression of possibilities, spontenaity, etc but in some ways they are hiding. the terrible is pure and simply terrible. their is no getting out of the terrible because it is in-fact terrible. their is no get out of jail free card. The masters dont really have anything to teach, and the old zen dudes will make you sit outside the dojo for days on end to make that point. and as Rupert says its the responsibility of those who have realised all of it to live the implications of it.

[@augustclemente2662]

That is the one of the best answers to the evil, or negative unconscious acts of people. At first, I was a bit lost with the explanation at the first 5 mins but it is worth it to fully understanding the rest of the video and the answer to the question. Rupert just explained it quite beautifully and elegantly. I agree at the last part it is necessary and our duty to bring consciousness into the world.

[@pairadeau]

The last comment was perfect. Thanks for what you do Rupert. Blessings to the questioner for his strong empathy. I agree that the price is exorbitant as of late and hence, we need to highlight this imbalance by helping to fashion a new reality. This can be done by first transforming ourselves and then allowing that to emanate outwards.

[@somethingness]

I agree. The last few minutes made this video worthwhile for me. I was worried that the questioner was going to do the usual thing of "Oh, that's such a great answer. I'm just going to shut up now." But because he didn't the whole final answer had much more poignancy.

[@rajivmalik2070]

Key is to constantly work on improving this dream character so that the experience is a good one for self and others

[@harmonicparadox2055]

Rupert is a pro. He had to temporarily "play along" with the questioner's fixed idea of good and evil in order to answer his question. It's hard to answer a question like that with a non-dual explanation. There's too much that needs to be untangled first. In polytheism, the world is amoral because no one can predict how the gods will treat humans. You just try to please the gods and hope they have mercy. In Judaism, you see the post-exilic authors struggle with the problem of why God allows good people to suffer and bad people to thrive, even after his promises to his people. While ambiguous, I think it's implied that God has a larger purpose in mind and we have to have faith and be good even if there is no reward. In Christianity, God has a more "laissez faire" approach. He's rooting for us to be good, and will reward us in the afterlife even though anything might happen to us in this life. That's what the image of Christ on the cross is meant to represent. In non-duality, you understand that the idea of objective morality is a limited mental construct that has to be transcended in order to form a holistic experience of being. But you'll get crucified if you say that to "good" people! You have to use the right language that conforms to that person's current level of understanding, and I think he did that here beautifully.

[@dervogelmann1125]

Be honest...nobody here wants to stop being a separate self, right ?...

[@dervogelmann1125]

@@AlastairGames good answer...

[@of8ightandse7en16]

Ultimately he reverted to the ultimate answer of, It's an illusion afterall. Illusion or not, the experience of it is real.

[@miles6875]

This is a unique clip - kudos to the asker for posing the question. This was a beautiful answer to the violent and cruelty question.

[@honestinsky]

Outstanding video Rupert, one of your best. Thanks mate. Your channel is one of my very favorite, and I appreciate you. Have a nice and peaceful day my right honorable friend : )

[@patrickfriel6073]

Absolutely brilliant explanation .. especially under our current climate. So well articulated with sensitivity, compassion and clarity. A true teacher/master.

[@johnbrowne8744]

Rupert got it about right. Does your consciousness sometimes have terribly violent "nightmares" where you are killing, and running, and full of fear and self destruction? Of course, we all do sometimes. Does that nightmare make you evil when you wake up? No. But, it is a temporary exploration of your self in the dream. Terrifying? Yes. A part of your fundamental awake self. No. Be at peace. Nothing can really harm you. 😊

[@s.c.washingtonsr.8531]

@James Browne Great comment and well said!

[@kivrin63]

At last someone has given an answer to this question. An actual, understandable answer. I get it now, I really do. Thank you.

[@AshishKaloliya]

This is ultimate answer to "Why there is evil and how it can be eliminated?"

[@dannyromano3664]

God/source consciousness is of the opinion that it should not be eliminated.

[@catalinmihai459]

Yes, so true! Consciousness is infinite so it must contain the sum of all possible outcomes. The good, the bad, and the ugly. But not everyone is ready to hear this because their ego will be hurt "so I'm not special?", "I don't have a purpose?" then Rupert will remind us that we are actually the infinite. The ego will be happy and empowered (another egotic reaction). Do you see how we oscillate from one extreme to the other?

[@prahslra]

Simply one of the best answers ever. So clear and complete. Thank you!!

[@buckrogers5703]

Yes but it is quite uncomplete

[@sourabh369]

We didn't get it.

[@marlajoylarrivee]

Yes! This answer is the best I have ever heard on the topic. Very clear and complete.

[@nikkirixon8794]

Rupert your explanations are amazing. If someone asked me a question like that I would be stumped. Never mind if someone else asks... When I ask myself I'm stumped! Michael.

[@johnypohoda3781]

This is far the best part from Rupert I have seen and confirms basically every Near Death Experience I have watched.

[@Behape]

I love Rupert.The issue can be solved by understanding that this is a dream in Gods Mind! This is the key. Whatever happens in ones dream is of no consequence once you realize it is just a dream. All the violence/wars etc are part of an illusion and once you wake up ( The Awakened One) there are no REAL children towards whom violence happened! This is all a dream/nightmare if you prefer!! The nasty bits are there on purpose so that the infinite that you actually are wakes up. One does not wake up from a pleasant dream so easily! I hope i am making sense!!

[@EdgarRamirez-so8ec]

Very well said! Thank you for that.

[@laurad3417]

Can you share another example?? Thank you ❤

[@6davca]

Very simple and clear,thanks a lot R S.

[@dalebarlow6231]

Wow..& Wow again. This clip was so helpful. Being of a empathic nature I feel so deeply the horrors of Maya. Listening to this has given me space & understanding around those that perpetuate there horrors, for which others pay the high price.

[@theself5738]

Why does infinite consciousness/God WANT to manifest itself as a finite form? Why does infinite consciousness want to know itself? If the manifested form is always seeking to go back to its source as the only way it can find true happiness, then why on earth does infinite consciousness want to do this manifestation business? Why can't it just be as it is unmanifested?

[@DanielL143]

I AGREE THIS PURE CONSCIOUSNESS STUFF IS THE ILLUSION.

[@johnkelly7044]

@@DanielL143 Whats "pure consciousness stuff".

[@simka321]

From the Infinite down to the finite through self-forgetting. From the finite back to the Infinite through self-remembering.

[@LB-ty6ks]

An amazing explanation of a most puzzling question.

[@balajijograj4370]

The dream example is not only beautiful but has a depth by mining which,it adds clarity .

[@musicisthelanguageofthecos8266]

How is it possible for a human being to have obtained such profound knowledge and has not yet collapsed?.How do you maintain your sanity when you are familiar with such phenomenal wisdom?

[@kathrynphillips3710]

wonderful explanation 🙏💗🙏 thankyou rupert, amazing as usual 💗

[@leelanjoy]

GREAT EXPLAINATION, THANK YOU !!!

[@grupoantayorfebreriaexclus3685]

How can i know if this kind of explanations are true?. This si just intelectual creativity for explaining things. Why is it so hard to Say: i don't know.!

[@VipinKumar-do8vf]

Maan Gaye ustaad.. aapki paar ki Nazar aur nirma super !! 🙏🙏

[@nimim.markomikkila1673]

About the analogy; a circle with boundaries cannot really represent the limitless infinite in a proper way. You can "draw" how-ever-much into the infinite, and the infinite still is infinite. Because it´s infinte.

[@robynclements4242]

Beautifully explained thank you 🙏

[@otorishingen8600]

wow he's really trying to explain IT in word's.. holy cow what a verbal roller-coaster 🎢

[@jaysheth1541]

This was Fantastic !

[@bildencarlia6924]

Dear Rupert how have you obtained such a phenomenal knowledge and how difficult and painful must have been trying to enlighten all the ignorants who come in your way....

[@Stefan69whatever]

While I do understand that evil is created through multiple layers of separation, from the point of view of the child there is an immature creature forced into feeling separate through a traumatic experience. Which only makes sense if the separation is necessary in order to achieve spiritual maturity. In the bigger picture separation is indeed necessary in order for unity to be experienced. In other words, both (whether you call them separation and unity or evil and good) are necessary in order to grow spiritually. See the German book "Das Mysterium der Einheit in der Vielheit".

[@orbitalpl1]

Brilliant answer!

[@davecub]

Humankind = needy + frightened. Explains a lot.

[@suzanneyoung268]

The brilliance of Rupert’s ability to explain blows my mind!

[@sorenchesscoach]

It is an explanation having no effect in the world of manifestation. If murder, rape, torture, abuse will manifest indefinitely, what use is to say that are illusions if the damage might be eternal in the heart of the victim? You know, we can play the spiritual card until the train hits you really, really hard, or the bear eats you alive, then you can say it's an illusion, of course!

[@curiosity_saved_the_cat]

Sorin Atanasiu I can tell from experience that teachings like this have a profound effect in the manifested world. Without people like Rupert Spira reminding me of what I inherently know/see is true, I would have made different choices in my life with possibly detrimental consequences. In the animal kingdom, cruelty is everyday's business. Much more so than between humans, you'd probably agree. It's the level of consciousness that differs us from animals. Animals are mostly driven by instinct (laws of nature). This increase in consciousness gives us the opportunity to emphasize and sympathize; see the other as yourself (or better; remembering the illusory nature of being separate from 'others') and hopefully decrease cruelty (rape torture, abuse) that is inherent to unconscious behaviour. Not only can an increase in awareness prevent evil, it can also provide guidance in the ability to let go of pain/fear/hatred in your heart so you don't hold on to it for 'eternity'. The 'spiritual card' as you call it, is in fact the most (probably the only) form of progress that really matters. Besides, the only reason you're able to avoid getting hit by a train, is because you're aware of the danger and the solution for the problem, again awareness/spirit is the key.

[@XiaoGuanYin104]

curiosity saved the cat Not all animals lack empathy! Some animals are much kinder and empathetic than some humans.

[@curiosity_saved_the_cat]

Faye Hall True. Don't get me wrong I love animals. In fact, many of the times it's a lot easier and more pleasant to interact with an animal than with humans I would say. On the other hand, humans - in general - should have a greater opportunity to become aware of infinite consciousnexs than animals due to a more evolved level of consciousness. If animal consciousness evolved more, animals would at first probably run into the same problem as humans; the illusion of 'I'. Animals simply don't have the capacity to be aware of this illusion (at least not to the degree it becomes problematic like it is with most humans). Ironically there are similarities between a species that is beyond the illusory self (enlightened humans) and a species that has not yet reached the illusory self (animals).

[@ultramimo]

The more developed the brain, the more unaware of the universal essence. As our brains develop and become more complex -- same with other species -- the more developed becomes the ego (or separate self) and sense of separation, fear, and isolation.

[@curiosity_saved_the_cat]

Marcelo Lima Wouldn't you agree that in an ideal situation, the unity two or more people are able to experience (or, connection with our universal essence), far exceeds that of any other animal with less developed brains? The more complex the brain is, the greater the opportunity for both an elaborate form of hypnosis, as well as the opportunity the see through that illusion. Any form of power can be used for good and evil/ignorance, don't you think this also applies to a relatively powerful brain?

[@juliangiulio3147]

Very Good!

[@lynnequity7296]

Bless you. Thank you.

[@venusjasper]

People interested in this : there is the book 'Realization of Life (Sadhana)' from Rabindarath Tagore'... Which is illuminating. And there is a chapter on the nature of evil. It's very beautiful

[@slister45]

What a beautiful soul!

[@KoH4711]

Thank you

[@ninabanaulicar7618]

Separation is an illusion..,.. very difficult to grasp indeed

[@MrLovingspain]

For the mind indeed

[@BlackStar-yk7iz]

'The price is too high' YES

[@bradstephan7886]

Excellent.

[@gretanavarauskaite2904]

Thank you🙏🏻🌸❤️

[@l.f9255]

Awesome!

[@mindfulkayaker7737]

My en understanding of Rupert teaching is If there is an Evil in this world it is the sense of separation in the human mind and the idea that we have to do something to survive or improve this imaginary individual entity at any cost

[@mistysmith5392]

But at the same time we don't have control of our thoughts so how can a perpetrator be otherwise? In a world/dream of duality we have to have pretend good actors and pretend bad actors. We play all the roles as the one consciousness.

[@ItachiUchiha-xk1fr]

We are one ❤️❤️❤️

[@IsaacHoveySAK]

The questioner is identifying with a form and taking LIFE personally.I understand. Understand the play of these words.(Nothing Means Anything.)We give meaning to everything by identifying with something.But,Ultimately WE have no permanent Identity.Everything is just the play of form.None of it is serious until you believe in an identity.Everything is play.Sometimes playing can get quite ruff and painful.Children who take the play too seriously feel very much neglected and abused.Grown children,even I my self get lost in the sand boxes of identity. We get lost in our play and our ruff housing.We get lost in the stories as of the grains of sand upon a Sea Shore.We lose our sense of SELF.We identify with a grain of sand being trampled upon and take it personally.The person isn’t real.The ego is a mutable construct.That doesn’t mean it doesn’t feel real.Like a night terror when you wake up.We play,and we get too ruff,and too serious with our selves.& we take for granted that the Truth is WE are Really Nothing @ ALL. There is nobody else.ALL is ONE.There is One Giver & The Same ONE is the Receiver.Nobody is doing anything to anybody else.Everything you do,you are doing it to your SELF.Everything you give or receive,you are the giver,receiver,& you are also every gift good or ill.It is ALL YOU.

[@pridepotterz6564]

skip church on Sundays; watch a few Rupert videos instead and your spirituality will blossom

[@mangelwurzel476]

I’m not sure the question has really been answered. The how maybe, but not the why. Sadly I wasn’t convinced by this, and I so wanted to be.

[@johnkelly7044]

Why not, is it not proper to experience negative as well as positive.As for the why you have to admit painful as it may be this life is an unbelievable experience.

[@mangelwurzel476]

John Kelly This was 3 months ago - I can’t even remember the video now. Will have to watch it again!

[@mangelwurzel476]

John Kelly OK. Have watched again and sort of get it now. Although I’m kind of with the questioner also!

[@carlavela7106]

What I can understand is...that "we" are in the Mind of God, in His imagination... That is a dream, like a movie that is being proyected so God can experience whatever.... But for God nothing is evil nor good. All the apparently evil stories are for helping Him to awaken from His own dreams. God has no form or shape...so He imagen an Ego-body...it's His vessel for experiencing. But it's only a thought...that's why there is no evil or good. God surrenders His own thoughts and believes when the "time" has come. Sorry for my english 😊😊😊

[@carlavela7106]

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[@juliai3956]

The fact that he says it's too high a price shows his love for the kids, who wouldn't be here without the price. Not disagreeing, just an interesting thought.

[@zendog8592]

Change is infinite, not still. Change is empty of self as is that which is finite, finite is alway changing,impermanent, being something infinitely different. Finite is a portion, explained as self.

[@Daysdontexist]

Right at about 11:05 rupert explains the seperate individual will do at all cost anything to fulfill itself", and this correlating to what i saw on an earlier documentary about a prisoner who killed his girlfriend in an apartment, and apon one of the interviews the man seemed happy inside himself fulfilled" so to speak so this direct evidence of why a human could hurt children

[@glynemartin]

In other words...we each carry around absolute AWESOME responsibility....

[@gers19]

There’s another Rupert’s video called There’s no personal responsibility 😂

[@tubawarsi4627]

Brilliant...

[@aircampilot8025]

the separate self has the gift of free will which you can use for good or evil the more you realize you are consciousness not a separate person the more you'll act like what you are divine

[@wattaura7621]

Ruperting for duty 💙

[@DanielL143]

This is very elaborate baloney. Infinite consciousness should watch this video, wake up and stop child abuse.

[@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time]

This is an invitation to see a theory on the physics of 'time' as a physical process with an infinity of possibilities!

[@glynemartin]

try and get a longer username will ya?...

[@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time]

I wanted to put cosmology and astrophysics on the end, but it wouldn't fit! LOL

[@snoozyq9576]

These videos have been bringing me a lot of comfort lately. I'm so glad there are people here to answer these questions. Thank you.

[@Misslotusification]

6:47: The separate self and our primary duty.

[@donmilo4733]

Why is there evil? Its called dualism, separation from God which creates fear, which creates anger and evil and so on.

[@dannyromano3664]

Not true

[@darrenfromla]

no matter how you slice up concepts about consciousness "contracting" or "forgetting it's own infinite being" or "seeming to become separate" we can't escape the apparent fact that consciousness is indeed performing acts of what we call evil through it's boundless creativity in the form of disturbed and sick people. As Rupert has said, "nothing comes before consciousness." Rupert would be the first to tell you that nothing exists apart from consciousness although he's trying to get around that in this video. Not sure why. Maybe because it's bad news. Consciousness creates beings that feel separate and cut off from the rest of the world. It makes billions and billions of these people. Every single one of us actually. Some of us find a way back home but the vast majority of us don't. All of us are guilty of wrongdoing. Less of us are guilty of flagrant crimes. Less of us are guilty of severe crimes. Less of us still of sick and horrific acts. So we're talking about millions of humans around the world killing raping torturing etc.I'd like to be wrong and someone help me understand if I am because I don't want what I'm saying to be true. If everything is consciousness than consciousness can't forget itself and even if it could forget itself it would still be consciousness. That would be like you being able to step out of your body and then forgetting where you left it. But consciousness can't step out of consciousness. Nothing can step out of consciousness. That's a fundamental axiom of the nondual teachings right?? Rupert is stumped on this one. Nice guy though

[@OneAwareness1]

There is more than this earth layer and consciousness, such as causal bodies that go from one life to the next to gain experience. In that sense, the people who are doing all the “wrong stuff” and those to whom it is happening have decided to have those experiences prior to being born on the earth. It is a perfect system, but it can seem like hell if you are unaware.

[@ron4520]

​@@OneAwareness1That's a pretty lame explanation in terms of its applicability to a young person experiencing untold pain and physical torture.

[@OneAwareness1]

@@ron4520 it’s hard for you to accept because you lack knowledge. Beyond this layer, time is irrelevant and predestination on earth is a given

[@ron4520]

@@OneAwareness1 Again, try telling that to the sufferer of torture to the point of death. There's nothing more selfish than someone trying to pass off untold physical pain as some kind of 'spiritual necessity'. Bet if you were the one experiencing the pain, you'd be less inclined to accept it as some higher gift.

[@Clogmonger]

@@OneAwareness1you're going to tell people they lack knowledge whilst sharing illogical nonsense?

[@carolynclitheroe3588]

* And to live the implication of that understanding *

[@mariahegdal5384]

A absolute wonderful video 💜

[@innerlight617]

Good speech. When knowledge of non separation becomes a deep and non-negotiable understanding,living the implications,isn't a duty,is the way life will be unfolding.

[@lemostjoyousrenegade]

WORD! It becomes a privilege.

[@ultramimo]

The more developed the brain, the more unaware of the universal essence. As our brains develop and become more complex -- same with other species -- the more developed becomes the ego (or separate self) and sense of separation, fear, and isolation.

[@AdrianMark]

Quite possibly the most profound speaking of this truth I’ve ever heard said. Thank you, both for speaking it and for not being drawn into the complaint against it, but for keeping your attention on the duty inherent in all of us.

[@timjonesvideos]

Would like to hear more on the 'lucid dream' analogy..is it possible to get to a place where this life becomes like a lucid dream, where we really realize it is all just a dream and can then use siddhi's to manipulate the dream to some extent..

[@FilmBritt]

4:17 I would love to hear more about lucid dreaming from Rupert.....

[@kevinpersia5201]

2:04 Rupert means that Awareness is infinite, mind or thought and feelings(which are finite) reside or come to living inside this awareness, and because of this there is infinite roam of possibilities, But doesn't this means that these feelings and mind are infinite themselves??

[@Bhuyakasha]

If you have a circle with infinite radius and infinite area and subtract from it the area of a finite circle you still are left with an infinite area though.

[@Schneehenry26]

nice analogy. sadly the explanation of the why part of the question is missing. in the words of avatar meher baba: no price can ever be too high for self/god-realization. the thing is were looking from our material aspect one life view at things. and in that sense, such atrocities seem to be unbearable and unworthy of god. but what if everything happens in relation to our real being which extends far beyond the physical, our soul. and we gotta develop consciousness high enough to experience nothing but our soul, so we become god. which in contrast to the explanation given to the video doesnt make the infinite forget itself, but go on an actual pursuit of being consciously aware of itself, which is the universe. so it is not a priori what it will be afterwards, because it may be god, but not conscious of it. and we are the means to establish that. so the highest mercy god can give you is not being free of suffering, but to realize your own divinity and everything as a rather gentle, loving play of the good. say, our bodies are our mediums to make experiences and through those we raise our consciousness until its swift enough to transcend our attachments/self and realize our eternal soul. so our bodies and incarnations are like clothes we take on/off at a time. and these experiences, no matter how glorious or dramatic or cruel are necessary to build that consciousness. so nothing is lost, though this knowledge of course must not be conceptualized and misused as an excuse for the shortcomings of this man-created world. hope it gets across...

[@ghod2114]

There is more to it. Violence toward others is also a price of duality. The more "good" one wants to aquire, the more "bad" he create as a shadow to it. How many crimes was done in the name of "good" things? In the name of (blood?) "God", country, family and so on. Perhaps, only one who understood non-duality as his own nature could avoid it and the game of "good" and "bad" at all. Imagine the whole world as your family and there are no favorites. Not even a family but a part of yourself. Will there be a reason to take something from someone (yourself)? Will there be even a possibility for it?

[@jameschesterton]

This is just extraordinary, possibly the most satisfying answer to one of the big questions ever.

[@ericnicholson870]

William Blake also talks about the narrowing of consciousness.

[@femmecorbeau]

And this seeking and protecting is always a selfish act, thus more separation, more suffering.

[@lemostjoyousrenegade]

🎯❗️ PRECISELY!

[@jean-francoisthuot9693]

Un commentaire puissant sur le mal et son origine, mais aussi sur la façon de faire le bien.

[@Arziil]

From the non dual perspective, there can be no such thing as evil. Evil is a phenomenon that can only be perceived on the dual plan in the manner of relative good vs relative evil. However, on the non dual plane, good is absolute and as such it has no equal nor does it have an opposite.

[@sidgabriel]

great rupert!!!thank you!!still i have question,that nobody seems to ask..where do earthquakes,floods,illnesses come from...its only a dream land of the separation dream..??

[@feanorcfw]

What would it mean for consciousness to be loving? Love doesn't seem to make sense in that paradigm.

[@Suchit28]

Why we always think that God is like us Humans? Why he will create anything if he is infinite? There is no creation my Friends! There is no entity called time! Nothing is there and nothing was there and nothing will be there. Only the awareness who knows that nothing is there. All this is illusion.😃

[@of8ightandse7en16]

but where illusion came from ? how could it even able to exist ? but from God ? even if our experience now is all illusion, still where this experience came from and able to occur ? It's still all very messed up.

[@TrinimacWanderer]

Amen

[@bonnielincicome8055]

That old familiar thing about bad happens to good 😢

[@TheGVA94]

Can anyone point me to a more elaborate explanation on the "infinite" and "finite" concepts? I'm not quite following.

[@johnpipkin7198]

I find myself in agreement with the questioner. It is just not worth it, infinite and supposedly “loving” consciousness should find other and less morally despicable ways to amuse itself.

[@johnpipkin7198]

Though I admire enormously the calm, thoughtful, and gentle way Mr. Spira conveys the results of his lifetime of spiritual work and practice.

[@johnpipkin7198]

Well I just watched Rupert's wonderful and convincing arguing that God needs our minds to know the world,. But surely, then, infinite consciousness must sure come to understand the appalling suffering of the world. What does it do about it ? The idea of infinite consciousness as a passive voyeur is very unappealing.

[@thestagbeetle459]

I would've rather asked: 'Why are children born with incurable diseases or even impaired?'

[@Jacadz]

In having separated from God or infinite consciousness in the search for our individuality or separate selves, we have become unconsciously fearful and guilty of having usurped the power of God. Been made in the image of God and not in Reality separate, we have created a whole world in which to project our fear and guilt onto as it is so unbearable and against our true nature. Thus we live in a world of victims and victimisers and all the encumbered horror. The good news is what appears to exist outside of God, The Omnipresent is only a dream and has no Real existence. But it is we who chose the finite and the ensuing guilt and fear and it is we who have the power to undo this decision. Rupert’s suggestion of our first duty to see everyone as ourselves seems a very hard task but no one gets out of this until we all do.

[@Jacadz]

Yes it is the metaphysics of ACIM. I didn’t mention it as it comes with many preconceived ideas already and can be easily dismissed. I notice how so many wonder how evil exists and the answers that are given, though technically true never satisfy our western mind in particular. And many consider the question why to be taboo or at least pointless. For me it made the world of difference to have this understanding of ACIM.

[@Jacadz]

Lee Paiva. I meant to say “this understanding of ACIM” so I have added that in. Yes ACIM definitely explains the metaphysics of our existence in a complete and comprehensive way that nothing else I know of does. But as The Course says, it’s not for everyone but there are teachers for everyone. I love to listen to Rupert and he has helped my understanding a great deal. Yes, agree about the ending....but also love Rupert’s answer and reminder of our “sacred duty”.

[@carl8568]

Lee Paiva I was also thinking this. I could have listened to much more on this topic, but what i've noticed with Rupert is that he keeps these talks pretty straight on the non-dual track- which is fair enough. Whilst the root of human atrocities can of course always be tracked back to the illusion of separation, having not dismantled that illusion considerably myself, I can't say that this answer was all that satisfying. Which is why I have found more digestible explanations from individuals such as Gabor Mate, John Bradshaw, Alice Miller and even Eckhart Tolle. Obviously on a different level, but mapping out trauma- collective, transgenerational and individual has been a big help for me. As far as everyone having the power to undo this decision, of slavery, it is simply beyond the reach of most individuals at this point in time. Who knows how many generations it will take just for the nervous system to become collectively adapted to handle the energy of god.

[@carlavela7106]

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[@andrewroddy3278]

It would seem, if I am understanding this, that our evolution is taking us further from our infinite (and true?) nature.

[@jimscott9974]

Man sits in chair next to flowers and utters metaphorical gibberish. The saddest part is all those listening to him who believe he is expressing knowledge rather than delusional nonsense. Those who think that Rupert Spira is waking them up to "the truth" are sadly still asleep. The only waking up that they need to do is to accept reality as it is, and stop seeking "answers" from delusional prophets like Spira.