Why does early Islam only attack Christianity?

Here is a brilliant question from a friend of mine, Alan Almavisca, who writes, "This is great and builds so well on the earlier work you did with coins to pin the dates of the "first Qur'ans" to late times. But the comparison between the Byzantine-influenced coins and the Parthian-influenced ones begs the question: did the Arabs, cum Muslims, ever attack Zoroastrianism the same way they went after Christianity? We see purposeful criticism in some of the coins you showed us and we know about the diatribes on the Dome of the Rock-does anything like that exist in the east? As I write this it occurs to me that Muslims would have had a vested interest in proving that Christianity had failed in its mission, but it still leaves me wondering in light of how thoroughly Zoroastrianism was embedded in the Parthian empire".
What a great question, proving Alan gets it. The Parthians in the East (who ruled Persia from 247 BC - 224 AD), were the precursors to the Sassanians (224 - 651 AD), who the Arabs then conquered in 651 AD, but notice that nowhere are these conquering Arabs referred to as Muslims. Mu'awiyah begins his Umayyad Caliphate in 661 AD, and mints coins in the East which are still Sassanian, and certainly Zoroastrian. The Arab coins in the West retain the crosses of the Byzantines.
It is not until Abd al-Malik introduces his very Islamic statements on his coins (i.e. the Shahada, including Muhammad's name) in 692 AD, as well as on the Dome of the Rock, and on his protocols, all the same year, and then increasingly adds anti-Christian statements (i.e. against God having associates, and his son-ship = begetting etc.) in subsequent coins, minted in 696-697 AD that we see these very strong attacks against Christianity.
So, why only against Christianity and not Zoroastrianism? For two reasons, one political, and the other theological.
Politically, the Sassanians were a spent force, and were therefore no longer a political threat, whereas the Christian Byzantines were the only other major political power at that time, so it made sense to attack them head on, due to their political threat.
Theologically, Abd al-Malik, an Arab, and a descendant of the Nabateans, traced his religious lineage back to Abraham, via Ishmael (thus the reason the Arabs referred to themselves, among other names, as Hagarines and Ishmaelites; but not as Muslims).
The Byzantine Christians and the Jews likewise traced their lineage back to Abraham, but via Isaac. Therefore, the Arabs saw themselves as cousins to the Christians and Jews, whereas they had no theological affinity with the Zoroastrians, and therefore did not see them as a threat theologically, nor even important.
The problem for the Arabs, however, was that the Byzantine Christians, the largest and strongest group opposing them, had a clearly delineated prophetic line back to Abraham, as well as a scripture to give them authority (The Old and New Testaments), whereas the Arabs had no prophetic line (it ended with Ishmael), and they had no scripture.
The Arabs needed these to give them the same identity their cousins had, and to give them credibility above that of their primary competition, the Byzantine Christians. That is why Abd al-Malik purposely attacked Christianity, starting in 691-692 AD on the Dome of the Rock, on his official protocols, and on the coins he minted.
In particular, he confronted Byzantine Christianity's 'man/God' Jesus Christ on his coins, directing his attacks in four areas, against 1) Jesus' divinity, 2) the trinity, 3) God the Father, and 4) Jesus, his son, four of the primary doctrines of Christianity. Note that all these four doctrines are attacked on the two sides of Abd al-Malik's coin, minted in 696 AD.
Interestingly, nowhere in these early coins do we find any attacks against his dying on the cross...let's see where the coins lead us concerning that doctrine.
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[@mannyfabin1850]

As Jay says the pieces of the puzzle are coming together... direction of the first qiblas, the manuscript evidence, Abd al Malik, the coins....the truth will out... we are truly blessed to be in a time where access to information is at our fingertips... exciting times...

[@rationalphobia5533]

Turns out it wasn't al-lah that speaks behind the veil, it was abdul Malik all along.

[@isaiahfiftythree5334]

@@rationalphobia5533 😀

[@buddywinzzz6042]

@@rationalphobia5533 even if al-lah that spoke, who he really is?? Dushira? Baal? Lucifer?

[@jordyn8535]

I love how passionate Jay is. That “come on home” and smile he does at the end warms my heart every time

[@discipleaj]

Because as Jesus said, satan will not drive out himself (other false religions). He went after God's people.

[@Tout-Le-Monde02]

where did he say it? provide book and verse number .....

[@discipleaj]

@@Tout-Le-Monde02 Matthew 12:22-32 '22Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. 23And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” 24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.” 25Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. 26And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. 28But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house. 30Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.'

[@aldredtawasil9339]

What is admixture formula? Christian are taught on philosophically by saying [ father god + son of God+ holy ghost god] = " LORD THRICE"

[@OmegaFighter1]

@@aldredtawasil9339 and Muslims are taught from a false prophet who thought he heard the voices of demons and never did any miracles to prove he was from God. The problem is that Muslims themselves are not allowed to ask hard questions of the Qur’an. Prime evidence of this was Muslim apologist Yasir Qadhi’s recent video response to the Qir’ats: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqTMnH6AnJl4itk I had to get this video from another channel since Dr. Qadhi promptly deleted this video. From which Qur’an should I learn the divine revelation since there are so many Qir’ats? Over 30 to be precise. Compare Sura 2:125 in Hafs with the Warsh Qurans: 2:125 in Hafs it is وَاتَّخِذوْا “WatakhIzu” (You shall take) / In Warsh it is وَاتَّخَذوْا “WatakhAzu” (They have taken/made). The Hafs version gives a command, while Warsh states a historical observation. Same verse but different words used and different meanings rendered. This is just one example out of 5000 differences between just these two versions. Do you know how many verses are there in the Quran? You will find that number of verses in Hafs is 6236, while Warsh has only 6214 verses. Which one is the right version? Which one did Muhammad recite? Which one matches the eternal preserved tablets that are with Allah? The official version of the Quran (Hafs) was only finalized in 1924 in Cairo, Egypt. It was only authorized officially as recently as 1985, in Saudi Arabia. Why did it take 1300 years for the world to finalize and authorize the Quran, if there has always been just the one and the same Quran all over the world?

[@aldredtawasil9339]

Christianity are low grade religion that was not taught by Jesus..

[@franciscocepeda8416]

It's amazing that so many people can still persecute Christianity and "defend" Islam

[@dohnlabalaba9470]

Once you mentioned that the god of Petra Allah had a wife and the early qiblas' directions all pointed to Petra (Becca) and you also indicated that Islam shifted to Mecca later on. You spoke of trade route theory, archaeological findings and the manuscripts that has captivated my mind in all your You Tube debates and explanations since 2016 until today. I have shared a few of your You Tube presentations on Facebook as an awareness to enlighten our mind on what is Islam in my local community here in the Fiji Islands.

[@gioknows]

Wonderful. Blessings from Ottawa, Canada.

[@b.o.c7881]

God bless you Jay 🙏♥️🙏 from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

[@briankillen8067]

Nicely put Jay.... probably the most important video you have made so far as it tidies up so many loose ends and crystalized your thesis beautifully.

[@Chandransingham]

Good background of Islam.

[@Speakers154]

They paid tributes to the Byzantines so they were a client state. They wanted their own coins, identity, language, and religion.

[@johncorpus4792]

Great work DR JAY , when you speak a light go's on in my head and starts to take all the information that you give , this is good i would like more and more 😊😊😊

[@ThreeUsee1]

YOU ARE SUCH A ROCK STAR BROTHER!!! FIGHT AND PRAY FOR ME BROTHER, I AM DOING THE SAME FOR YOU.

[@faithreturns333]

You're right when you talked about in the beginning that the internet allows us to peer review each other! It is why it is possible for God to have created the Great Awakening in this century. Thank you so much for all your hard work I've enjoyed your videos and collabs with others for many years

[@kandass1980]

Dear Jay wonderful job God bless

[@danielhagopian5150]

It's true. That 'Prophet Muhammad' stuff? They made it up 60+ years after he died, and 30 years after everyone who knew him was dead.

[@ShadyOakMinistries]

Not even then. That's the first mention of him or anything associated with him. We don't get his biographies or sayings until 2-3 centuries later. And we don't have those either. We assume they existed because one of the students of the guy who told him everything about Muhammad made a summary of it. Thank God we don't have this kind of mess with our Bibles.

[@rachellmang-osan9401]

In the book f Barnabas the fabricates book in reconaisance period where in the in every BIBLE verses THE NAME OF MUHAMMAD WAS WRITTEN AND INSERTED,AND IT WAS ALSO BASED ON MUSLIM PERSEVECTIVE THE INJILL OF THE MUSLIM.BUR WE READ IN THEIR QURAN THEIR FALSE PROPHET BELIEVE IN THE TORAH OF THE JEW.

[@sylsigoh]

May God Bless you Dr Jay for afford about christianity.

[@davidsexton6604]

Dear friend , Thank you for your good works ! God Bless you !

[@rationalphobia5533]

Thank you so much Dr. Jay Smith for this video, this has blessed me intellectually and spiritually. Lord Jesus bless you.

[@maxipower6932]

Great work, Jay!! These are truly the last days. God bless you, brother. Thank you!

[@pervertpedophileprophet]

Now this is awesome content. Let me share this video.

[@judahsamaria5250]

Dr.Smith everything you said makes sense. Thank you this is a fascinating discovery and explanation.

[@dj4160]

It's really one of my favorite ending lol. God bless you cousin Jay.

[@gaetanodipisa4234]

Great work Mr. Jay!! Good Bless you!!!!

[@roziegitang3180]

Tq Jay for the enlightment. A genius explaination. May God bless u.

[@pictish02]

God waits patiently for all his children to recognise his love for them .

[@danielharp5883]

Thank you for your hard work Dr. Smith!

[@NATAR160]

Mr Jay, this is out of this world!!! I don't know of a better explanation as to the possible origin of Islam.

[@pauljansentextor1788lx]

A little bit late but i thank you Jay for all of your work! Keep it up for i love it!!!

[@adamelmasery7723]

Thanks Sir. God Bless you in Jesus Christ Name.

[@jimdee9801]

God Bless you bro Jay. Nice soundtrack too

[@MrCassowary]

Also, Abdul Malik saw Orthodox Christians living in his domain as a threat. The Orthodox Christians were supported by the Roman emperors. Since Constantine's embrace of Christianity, the emperors had given them land and money to build churches. In return, the Orthodox church supported the Roman and later Byzantine emperors. So the Caliphs had to promote the non-Trinitarian sects like the Arians and Ebionites to gain political support. These sects eventually evolve into Islam, a new religion.

[@alexagudo9756]

The best of Jay Smith

[@rawingrambang2173]

Thank's Mr Jay Smith, for your explanation, god bless you, greeting from Palangkaraya Central Kalimantan Indonesia

[@marychristine]

Thank you Dr. Jay Smith Very hilarious what should we say? Very informative like a crystal clear. Clearer as water. It's a Political Religion. May God forgive those people who led people astray and bring back to their own senses.

[@davidstrelec610]

How are you mom

[@marlinkhoshababratdeel2250]

Dr.jay it is my personal opinion from reading The Old Testament, Because she was a slave woman ( maid ) to Sarah and Abraham after They had Isaac, they let her go with her son Ishmael, so either Envy hatred. She planned it in her son Ishmael, it is a revenge, for both tribe’s, they consider them The chosen royal family of God, but Ishmael and his mom they’re not from the same Standard. So They try so hard to prove themselves they, are better. Thank you I might be wrong, but that’s my point of view, thank you God bless you, I love your documentary shows.

[@miltonbradley4249]

Extremely informative and another well Done video

[@tarnos4153]

You are in the right target of the spiritual warfare , uncovering the truth of the religion’s origin.

[@francisdexaviermaurinus4695]

At the beginning there were no Arabs the Sarracens have different names. They were closed to juifs. In terms of faith. But they adopted zoroastrian theology. 5 prays.

[@acolytes777]

Any opinion of the Sabians?

[@nanaquwamiasmah8894]

GOD BLESS YOU

[@Honey1xyz]

Thank you for all your evidences in context, and may the holy trinity inspire you for his glory and honour 🙏🏻

[@dominiccharles6987]

Just asking a question aside the actual topic. What did the followers use for as scripture at the time between Muhammad life 610 AD and Abdul Malik 690 AD ? Did they develop formal prayer by then without the aid of a book ? I am sure they did have mosques between that time based on Dan Gibson research. Just curious. Thank you.

[@pfanderfilms]

The Qur'anic manuscript evidence suggests that the Qur'an was only created after Abd al-Malik's time. Once al-Malik introduces an Arab prophet, he then needs to produce an Arabic revelation for that prophet. That is why the Qur'an had to be put together rather hurriedly, and why it is all over the place, not sequential, with many of its stories borrowed from Jewish Apocryphal accounts, and Christian Sectarian writings, yet only put together piecemeal, and then changed and corrected for centuries afterwards. Even the scholars today cannot understand 20% of it. This is what happens when you put something together too fast.

[@ianmcdonald8648]

Jealousy. "Jealousy is the rage of a man, and he will not spare in the day of vengeance." Proverbs 6:34 That describes Islam very well. Jeaalousy leads to hatred and vengeance. And this is exactly what happened to Cain - Genesis 4. Cain's offereing was not what God required and so was not accpeted. Cain was jealous of Abel who was aceepted by God. Cain allowed hatred to rule him. God rebuked Cain and told him what he SHOULD do. Cain killed his brother in a fit of rage - revenge.

[@shanesigley5625]

Jay Smith said that there were two reasons that the early Arabs only attacked Christianity. Fair enough. BTW, thank you Jay and all the others for your work. There's one more reason why the early Arabs only attacked Christianity and this reason is prophetical, so I suppose you might call it God's reason, and would be accepted by the Historical school of prophetic interpretation, which btw, was the accepted prophetical view, but the Futurist school, who have only had majority acceptance the past one hundred years, would probably reject it. This third reason is outlined in the following link starting at page 321. Also, there is another link giving some reasons why I ascribe to the Historical school. Thanks again Jay and be well: revivalfellowship.nz/product/daniel-and-the-revelation/ tothecrossfellowship.wordpress.com/2020/01/13/just-the-ticket/

[@pradeepjoseph90]

Burning libraries were part of invasion and by destroying Christian scriptures they can say that Quran is superior. This logic will give dominance

[@bacabrother4331]

Fascinating. Thank you doctor.

[@jeanetteansell5514]

Thank you for your research. Bless you.

[@mishamonachandra9209]

Your picture of dome of rock, I for a second thought it was the shiva ling. The building is in the shape of a long.

[@draganbik]

Love your work, God bless

[@jeanetteansell5514]

Wonderful! Blessings to you. Aren't facts brilliant? ✅

[@mishamonachandra9209]

We have zorashtrians in India called Parsees. According to a parsee friend, they were persecuted and fled in two ships. One of the ships sailed to Germany and the other came to india

[@TesseRact7228]

Ask yourself "When"? & "How"? It is a relatively short-hop by sea from Iran to India (and then "Pakistan" was part of India pre-1948, so a trek across land was also possible). Getting to Germany from Iran by boat, well that's not so easy. There would be no Suez Canal pre-1869. If it was a "boat only" trip (no land treks), then a long trip around Africa would seem the only way (pre-1869).... Navigable Rivers ???

[@henrimartin9283]

Zoarastrians are from Persia (présent Iran).In fact fearing forced conversion many of them left and emigrated to several parts of the eastern Europe and to north india through -todays Afghanistan previously a part of the Persian empire -yazid ) you have certainly heard about the natives from the Yazid community persecuted by Isis in the north of irak.) Also most of the syriac Christians lived in Arabia also emigrated by Sea to the west cost of india (Kerala) for the same reason of persécution.As most of them were marchants ,already accoustomed to sail the commercial spice route by sea.

[@nihilistic7840]

Great explanation worth listening through the detail

[@lovepeople951]

Off topic Dr. Jay the good deeds in Arabic or Islamic tradition is called hasanat ( حسنات) not barakat. God bless you.

[@lovepeople951]

@be positive Dr. Jay used it in the context of praying, fasting, killing people for Allah (Jihad), alms. In Islam by doing these you increase your hasanat not barakat.

[@lukasmakarios4998]

"He puts it right where supposedly Solomon's Temple used to be." Yup. But that's not where it was. That's where the Roman Fort Antoninus was. So in effect, the Muslims are now a new "Occupying Army" and undoubtedly, the new power of oppression, especially with the imposition of the jizya tax. It is fortunate that the Romans left "not one stone standing on another" so that the real site of Herod's Temple was forgotten. And Solomon's Temple was built on the high place of the City of David, which did not include the location of the Roman Fort. God rarely rewards arrogance. The Dome can stay. It's on the wrong rock.

[@gjheintzman]

Parthia was a Scythian people. Their fall and flight was the force that pushed the Germano Celts into Romes borders. The Sasassin hated them greatly.

[@barbarahawkins7864]

Beautiful job, Brother ♥️

[@Soothsayer210]

Hey Jay, please add Time Stamps to your videos. HELPS A LOT. Castles made of Sand. Jimmy Hendrix.

[@RASDB7]

Excellent Video.......

[@TheDavidcrockett]

Jesus never needed a coin because he was born with a crown🙏

[@teresalorelpurification1197]

You do it again and again .

[@yorkshiredreamer443]

Fantastic work as usual

[@eui6037]

It's funny, even now muslims tend to feel closer to judaism and barrow arguments from that area to combat christianity. Christianity is somehow like a thorne...

[@hintsaa7835]

Good point brother! Islam is not the truth!!

[@JS-bk2jl]

Looks like Dr. Jay is going along with Nate on a treasure hunt in Burma.. lol

[@ross3818]

Are you broadcasting someone else's pre-reviewed research and, in order to speed things up, in effect substituting viewer responses for the slower process of peer review? Do you get the prior permission of your sources for this?

[@barry7608]

Thanks another great explanation.

[@shirishkokatay9751]

A fantastic and an innovative look into the fog of history - your conclusions are right on and I would add that the description, the stories and events of Muhammed's life in the Sharia and are shocking in their cavalier treatment of violence, aggression and some criminally insane behavior....

[@petunia88]

They wanted so much to be as powerful as Christianity, in faith as well as in population, they wanted to be no. 1.

[@maqsoodnoor8791]

God bless you

[@Amos-vs6xv]

God bless

[@C.Veigas]

Brilliant answer

[@ardeenroydiamante]

Q: would the early Islamic critique of the trinity be Arian, docetist or monophysite?

[@queenofprops]

Dr. Jay, thank you for your scholarship and work. My question at this point is: was there an actual Mohammed war lord who conquered people and had multiple wives? Is the Mohammad of the Koran an exaggeration of him, taking his life and then adding all the sayings to his legend? Or was he totally fabricated?

[@pfanderfilms]

At this point, and until we know more, I would answer yes to 1 and 2, and no to 3

[@queenofprops]

@@pfanderfilms Thank you!

[@ashifhassan1148]

Academic books on Islamic history:- 1.The Formation of Islam Religion and Society in the Near East, 600-1800 by Jonathan P. Berkey 2.The Venture of Islam, Volume 1 The Classical Age of Islam by Marshall G. S. Hodgson 3.The Venture of Islam, Volume 2 The Expansion of Islam in the Middle Periods by Marshall G. S. Hodgson 4.The Venture of Islam, Volume 3 The Gunpowder Empires and Modern Times (Venture of Islam Vol. 3) by Marshall G. S. Hodgson 5.The Jews of Islam by Bernard Lewis Mark R. Conen 6.Jewish Life Under Islam Jerusalem in the Sixteenth Century by Amnon cohen 7. Science in Medieval Islam by Howard R. Turner 8.The moriscos of Spain by Henry Charles Lea 9.A history of inquisition of spain by Henry Charles Lea 10.The martyrs of cordoba by Jessica A. Coope 11.The history of the ottoman empire Osman's Dream by Caroline Finkel 12. Sephardic and mizrahi jewry edited by zion zuhar 13. The ornament of the world by Maria Rosa Menocal 14. Islam and the west by Norman Daniel 15. Britain and the Islamic World, 1558-1713 by Gerald maclean 16. The influence of Islam on medieval europe by W.Montgomery Watt 17. Slavery and Islam by Jonathan A. C. Brown

[@johnnaulu9640]

Thank You Greatly Dr Jay . I am learning every time I turn to your channel Pfinders . May Lord’s Face shine upon you and keep you safe, protect you and your loved ones. I pray wisdom upon you. For Christ unto to you is the Wisdom of God . Amen. Toda Raba. 💜✝️🇮🇱

[@bonjitos4265]

Dr.Jay... did mohamad war ever happen ? Did mohamad has journey before age 40 ? Is mohamad as commander of war has assistant ? Is mohamad has picture ? Is middle east kingdom have anything about mohamad biography beside the quran ? Is mohamad realy ever existed at the time he been told by the quran ? And Is mohamad created islam or islam created mohamad ?.... sorry for all those questions🙏

[@pfanderfilms]

No to all of them, as they all come from the much later 9th-10th century traditions, which can no longer be trusted, I'm afraid.

[@henrimartin9283]

No. No détails about this. Islam existes only from the 7 th century (nearly 200 years after his death)when Al Bukhary wrote the quran. Seems Mohamad was from Quraish community. he himself was not a moslim.The religious references are mostly from that community ( the name Alla and the meccan prayer 'Labyka ...) etc.are from their religion. He and his groupe was known as caravan attaquers of the marchant routes.

[@gr3g3t]

Because of the words contains accusation in quran, mostly toward Christianity's.

[@chuckjones8459]

Jay do you go-to a church that has the Holy Eucharist????????????????????????

[@SonOfTheOne111]

In short, hatred of Logos is the oldest, most fundamental teaching of Islam- older than Muhammad and the Quran itself!

[@SonOfTheOne111]

Which demon is in charge of this diabolical project?

[@kynaatawan5967]

How do you explain the mosque in Medina which was built in the lifetime of the prophet. Whose grave lies there if not his.

[@earl-griffin5858]

May God our Lord YEH-SHU-AH bless you and your family too

[@simon3142]

Is it Christianity in general that is being attacked, or just the Trinity i.e. Byzantine/ Roman Christianity? I think that the area you suggest as the origin of Islam is in the area of the Ghassanids and Lakhmids who were Monophysites and Nestorians. weren't they non trinitarians? And they may well have been part of the early believers movement

[@otherworlder]

mr Smith, you should write a book, like Dan Gibson

[@hywel4605]

they shift from pagans to christians just like that

[@Klopp2543]

Muslims attacked both Persia and Byzantine at the simultaneously. Byzantine only remained behind the walls of Constantinople. Both Persian and Roman coins were used when Muslims not only Byzantine as you allege. Islam became the majority after 400-700yrs in the middle east. Jews and Christians welcomed and assisted the Muslims who they found lenient,allowed freedom of worship,allowed Jews back into Jerusalem(Byzantine banned any jew), less taxes etc. Without the natives aid it won't have been possible for Muslims to kicking out two 6000yr old empires in less than 2 yrs

[@7cornel545]

Amin

[@davidmcintosh3468]

So true! I wonder about the apostate jews. When I think of all the blasphemies against God by the muslims, it reminds me of similar blasphemies in the Talmud. Was there a shared objective and purse in this? Did some of the children of Israel get on the Persian empire beast's back?

[@fred1534]

Quit knocking the Jews.we have the same god.very nice people the Jews hard workers.lets give some respect.

[@Palstino]

Jews and the Muslims have the same god , Islam respect Jesus as prophet not the son of god and respect the virgin Mary and believe in immaculate birth of Jesus , in the other hand Judaism rejected and rejecting Jesus and Christianity part and parcel

[@klub7justin]

Fred jews are not the same jews as before Jesus. Kabbalah is satanic and Talmud is a fairy tail book. They are satanic. Revelation 3:9

[@fred1534]

@@klub7justin so your saying the jews are satanic.

[@davidmcintosh3468]

@@klub7justin I guess some jews got on fire for Jesus and did the works of God, and some decided to build Satan's empire. What a schism! No wonder Paul cried.

[@mhogomchungu7168]

I think the coins words were against all forms of paganism, not only Christianity. And no one can inherit a lineage through religion

[@kamranshadkhast5035]

Hello Jay, Abdul malik was not anti christian rather a christian but different sect which was called a heresy at the time by Byzantin schoolars. that is why he was working with famous christians like John damascus. he actually was a persian Arab decent with christian back ground from north eastern part of persia from city called Merve . the reason he built the dome of the rock in Jerusalem was because he was faithful to Jesus. what do you think about that?

[@kamranshadkhast5035]

@irishxxkelt that was his beliefs he was not a trinity christian , he believed Jesus was the messenger of god not the son of god.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

irishxxkelt. He neither begets or is begotten, may mean that, The Father is only the Father Eg the will never be two Father's.

[@kamranshadkhast5035]

listen carefully to this video about different sects and heresy in christianity kzbin.info/www/bejne/imaQc5qXpt2ai5o

[@jeandevalette5483]

Interesting theory, I read it somewhere from an european scholar. I'm curious to know what Jay thinks about it.

[@LlyneM-rf3gd]

@@kamranshadkhast5035 then he wasn't a Christian. He was a Gnostic.

[@grantmaree3537]

Hi Jay .... Why did you stop on 20 min. Couldn't you stop on "19"😄 19×19=🤔 , 19 that... 19 this......19 balloons.

[@jameswoodard4304]

Wouldn't the message of the coins, even if primarily targeted against Christianity, also apply to Zoroastrianism theologically? They say: "God is one and He has no partners"- Zoroastrians were dualists who believed that two great powers were pitted against eachother. They worshipped the good spirit and assumed he would prevail, but the evil spirit was a partner of sorts as far as power and cosmology were conserned. "God is eternal, was not begotten, and never begat"- Certain stages of Zoroastrianism believed that both the good and the evil god were "sons" of an even higher ultimate being. (Zurvan? I can't remember) They also venerated seven divine beings that were personified attributes/servants of the Wise Lord. Really, this polemic would also be against the Pagans who were all about gods that had partners, begot, and were begotten. Perhaps this statement of faith, though worded in a specifically anti-Christian way, was meant to effectively distinguish Islam from all of the main opposing belief systems of the day. This would really only leave out the Jews who had little political power and were not competitors for conversion.

[@pfanderfilms]

Thanks James, yes, almost every other polytheistic belief could be the target of this polemic, if taken in isolation. However, there are just too many references in these inscriptions and n the later Qur'anic verses which immediately followed which suggest they were specifically targeting Christianity. Take for instance the reference in Surah 4:171 which says "say not three, for god is one, and he has no son", which is intrinsically against the trinity, and the sonship of Jesus, both uniquely Christian doctrines. Other Qur'anic verses such as Surah 4:157 against the crucifixion of Jesus, and the almost 93 verses in the Qur'an which refer to Jesus succinctly suggest that all of these attacks are against the Christian Jesus, and no one else.

[@jameswoodard4304]

@@pfanderfilms , I was only referring to the coins, and did not state or imply that Christianity was not the primary intended target. I assumed the coins were the focus of this discussion since it is part of the coins series. As to the rest, you listed direct mentions of Christianity and then said that these were talking about Christianity. Yes, obviously. I assume you do not mean to assert that early Islamic polemic did not exist against other groups as well. If that is not what you are saying, your previous comment was a statement of the obvious and you should have just said, "yes."

[@toderaivans3000]

1:56 I think you just downplayed what Peer review actually is. That doesnt take away from the fact that you do sometimes get critical comments here on youtube.

[@yoshkebenstadapandora1181]

Are you sure it only attacked Christianity? I have heard they slaughtered many in India as well as well as Africa. I don't see that it attacked Roman Catholicism as much as it did Eastern Orthodox. I have seen some speculate that the similarities between Roman Catholicism and Islam as well as his Catholic Aunt he may have been a Vatican plant. Walter Veith speaks a lot about this connection.

[@anomalousviewer3164]

Portugal, spain and italy, catholic Christians, schism occurs in 1054 AD before that one apostolic and catholic church.

[@andywong9847]

Catholicism and Islam are political entities. They are the same, both are Antichrist.

[@liaqatkhan49]

Please do one on the proof of Bukhari.if he ever existed and what real proof is there.and who was the first person he contacted for the compilation of his Hadiths..then how can he verify the factual truth of anything he compiled after 200+ years from his sources.thank you

[@gusolsthoorn1002]

In 651 the Arab armies attacked the Persian empire leading to thedemise of the Zoroastrian religion.

[@kadapimaldisa5607]

Alhamdulillah,Alhamdulillah, Alhamdulillah, I'm a MUSLIM!

[@andywong9847]

Debate with Christian Prince on the Quran. Then you will leave Islam.

[@Makaidonas]

Jay . What you are saying that Jesus is the prothetic line? The Jews have prothetic line through Abraham Moses etc

[@teresalorelpurification1197]

I very personally like you

[@skellingtonmeteoryballoon]

That's a good question. Warner j Wallace NBC dateline cold case detective can answer !

[@wildernessofzinn17]

It's because Islam began around the reign of Chosroes II in a Zoroastrian-infuenced Persian empire and then evolved to become the major religion when the Arabs pulled a coup and took over the empire around the time of Yazdegerd III. Chosroes II was the first to accept a Judaizing form of Christianity that was anti-trinitarian...Ebionitism/Nazarenes. What better religion to accept than one that is a rival of your archnemesis, the trinitarian Byzantine empire?.

[@markaxworthy2508]

Does it? I am not sure that the virtually extinct Zoraostrians of Persia, or the animists of southern Sudan, or the Hindus of India, would agree.

[@designbyf-alu]

Yep Christians and jews