Why Does Racial Inequality Persist? | OLD PARKLAND CONFERENCE

A specter of racial conflict is growing in America. Persisting black disadvantage across so many fronts in our country’s economic and social life continue to puzzle intellectuals, politicians, journalists, and activists. What are we to make of racial inequality, and how can we address it? In his keynote remarks, Glenn Loury contended that socially-mediated behavioral issues lie at the root of today’s racial inequality problem, that these problems are real and must be faced squarely, and that these are American problems, not merely matters of concern to black people.
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[@JOHN----DOE]

This man is SO correct. From the late 80s onward, I watched black students with inferior grades--and/or attitudes--go to my college and largely fail, not just because their preparation was dismal (nothing was expected of them to get good grades in public school), but more because their attitude was that, as soon as they were challenged, they either got hostile or immediately gave up. Professors bent over backward to give them extra conferences, lists of personal reading that other students had read in high school, remedial classes, and other extras other students didn't receive. Most of them refused to use these benefits, wouldn't work hard and take criticism like the successful students, and basically blamed racism for their failures. Nope. BIG attitude problem, and a total reversal of the emphasis in black culture on education before the rot of the late 60s race hustlers telling black people everything was others' fault. In Greek tragedy, this is called hubris.

[@jeanneschaefer9318]

This presentation required much bravery to present. I have great admiration and respect for Glen Lowery in delineating this perspective which is not popular but contains many truths.

[@echo-trip-1]

Bravery how? Isn’t he speaking to a crowd that basically agrees with him?

[@willharriman1881]

@@echo-trip-1 HA! HA! HA! He's a brave BOOTLICK pandering for white approval!

[@ritar.7836]

​@@echo-trip-1He knows his speech is being recorded and that he is speaking to the whole world. It's courage to point out these truths against conventional opportunistic perceptions.

[@stevenrichardson1843]

Even by Professor Loury's high standards that was impressive. A dagger in the heart of the shallow, often venal , modern discourse on race and disparity in the West.

[@joehernandez5600]

Equality of dignity! Bravo Mr. Loury. I sincerely hope as a member of a minority group that we all adopt that mantra.

[@patriciamccormack2487]

Thought provoking and eloquent presentation!

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

@Anya Wale that's why. You won't listen to wise men

[@fightfannerd2078]

Lol thought provoking?

[@zinnia3684]

You are amazing sir. Who handed you the ability to give such a informatively clear and inspiring speech on the facts of our age based on the facts of history. Bravo. Bless you for your courageous convictions on speaking truth when media lies are being fed to a hungry population of dramatic bad actors. May God bless and keep you well as your message is God given. 🙏

[@TomO-se3rj]

Wish Bill Maher would watch this, he is one of the few Liberals I give a small bit of legitimacy to.

[@joanhuffman2166]

Why does anyone expect any groups to be the same? We've never found any groups of people who are the same anywhere on earth or any time in history. Groups change over time, and some pull forward. Others fall behind. The future is uncertain, but the choices we make today will determine where we are tomorrow. Back at the beginning of agriculture, a few people began to be more productive than their hunter-gatherer neighbors. They were the ones who built cities, developed all kinds of technologies. The ancestors of people who are on the cutting edge today were dumber than donkeys back then.

[@Bwh-rm3py]

That was incredible

[@morelslady]

Awesome

[@SuperSeanobrien]

Well spoken, brave, necessary. Love you.

[@psychicspy]

Because INDIVIDUAL inequality exists. We have to stop basing policies on group differences, which at best are averages of individual differences, and we need to start treating everyone as a unique individual. Then and only then will we be a truely just society.

[@Matt-kt9nm]

This man has a great understanding of the subject.

[@Matt-kt9nm]

@Anya Wale Time stamp one of the lies.

[@Matt-kt9nm]

@Anya Wale From this speech he seems to want black people to be successful.

[@Matt-kt9nm]

@Anya Wale OK ,so what did he say that is false or wouldn't benefit Black people?

[@Pmtd1234]

I assume Anya Wale withdrew the comments. I admire the work Dr. Loury does!

[@Pmtd1234]

@Anya Wale I do not see any of your responses.

[@honestjohn6418]

Glenn is a giant

[@csy9366]

Disparity is the natural outcome of freedom.

[@willharriman1881]

You're confused! You mean disparity is the natural outcome of multi-generational American slavery and American Jim Crow segregation!

[@follow-jade]

4:30 👍

[@robertdavis9246]

This, the truth, is our only social salvation. One does not deserve respect, one earns respect.

[@johnneumann8878]

Centre screen @ 08:22 . . . is that really Ayaan Hirsi Ali or am I just seeing things?

[@JonathanRossRogers]

I wouldn't be surprised if that's Ayaan. I recognized a number of people I respect in the audience. Reihan Salam of the Manhattan Institute is two seats to her left and I think that's Kevin Williamson, then at National Review and now at The Dispatch, to her right.

[@lawman3966]

It absolutely is Ayaan Hirsi Ali! You can get to an interview with her on YT conducted at that very conference by simply searching for: Old Parkland Conference, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, within the YT search field.

[@wbw910]

My question is while you should address anti black biases you should also address anti white or any other biases. Those are never addressed while being pervasive.

[@fsilber330]

In 1964 a huge number of blacks had only recently left sharecropping, in which illiteracy and unnumeracy were the norm, and education provided no advantages. So these people, both on the farm and in the cities, were the poorest of the poor. Then, President LBJ's "Great Society" programs offered these people a significant boost in income and benefits, but the cost of keeping them was for mothers to lack husbands, and for families to do not one thing to improve their situation. Taking benefits into account -- not to mention leisure, their marginal tax rate was greater than 100%. Only unreported income was not punished by severe reduction in benefits. (And all unreported income is, to a greater or lesser degree, criminal.) In essence, they were bribed to remain at the economic bottom of society. In New York City in 1978, a full half of all African Americans were living on welfare -- bribed to remain at the bottom -- and this situation remained in full for over thirty years. Blacks who did not fall into this trap improved their economic circumstances, but as for the half that did fall into the Welfare trap, how on earth would anyone even have a hope that their economic situation would improve? In fact, it helped cement their position at the bottom by allowing skills that might help people rise to wither. Making matters worse, the tolerance of crime in these communities drove away people, both black and white, who could have modeled successful behavior. So when people ask, "Is it black people's fault?" the answer is -- black people as a race are not morally responsible for being in this situation. But improvement to the situation can only be accomplished through poor black people changing their ways. It is for us to decide which is more important -- improving the situation or shielding poor black people from threats to their self-esteem.

[@economicdevelopmentplannin8715]

Poor black American people are likely and most likely to be descendants of US workers who have yet to be paid for the early investments their families and lineage made into building the greatest superpower country on Earth. If you want to eliminate their poverty, simply pay the debt that's outstanding. Otherwise, your lip service is an act of disingenuous concern for their well-being.

[@fsilber330]

@@economicdevelopmentplannin8715 I'm not all _that_ concerned; neither are most other Americans -- which is the reason you're going to be waiting a long time for your preferred solution. (If we wanted to right old wrongs, we'd give everything to the Native Americans and nothing at all would be left for black or white people). I was just mentioning what it would take to make progress in the _foreseeable_ future.

[@economicdevelopmentplannin8715]

@@fsilber330 I hear you... don't hold my breath if I'm waiting for payments to people who are owed... Of course, your arguments rest on what's popular vs what's right. Then you pivot to Native Americans, when 1) they were actually slaveowners too, not to mention 2) they're simply not the subject of this conference, and 3) there's a record of more than 100 wars they fought against the US. Meanwhile, Black American families have no record of being an enemy at war against this country. To the contrary, black American families are overrepresented in the US military, especially the enlisted Frontline army soldiers. If you aren't going to honor the humanity of nonimmigrant black American families, frankly any alternative proposals are meaningless, because at the root, they're proposals based upon maintaining a political position that these people are still not worthy of being deemed as having come from real and full humans. I would never tell a black American to accept a proposal that's fundamentally rooted in maintaining white supremacy. You can't defeat white supremacists by promoting programs approved by white supremacists... We have different goals. You support ideologies to promote white supremacy. I aim to advocate for the US to pay the lineage of black American people for their unique contributions to building the greatest superpower country on Earth at its earliest days.

[@fsilber330]

@@economicdevelopmentplannin8715 So you're equating: "Not giving boatloads of cash to black people for being descended from people who suffered" with: "Promotion of white supremacy." So is it your assumption that there's nothing black people can do to improve their situation other than to be given money, or is it that you don't want black people to improve their situation by any means other than for white people to give them money?

[@economicdevelopmentplannin8715]

@@fsilber330 "boatloads of cash given by white people..." The way you view providing an ROI on early investments into building the greatest superpower country on the planet, is just different from how I view it. One is, yes, coming from a white supremacist ideological framework. Your view is that black American people are the cause of their own problems. My view is their problems and plight is the effect of misdirected economic investment. Your philosophic approach is to solve a problem by avoiding the root cause. My approach is to, at minimum, be open to discuss the root causes found by removing our bias for long enough to view major historical events and influences. Do I believe black American people can make improvements personally to their situations??? I think, any individual can attempt to become an aberration from the norm, but to move entire populations requires systemically structural changes in policy and economics. Black marriage rates were higher than white marriage rates for 100 years, drug use was lower, and murder rates were lower. To suggest individual black people suddenly began avoiding marriage, using hard drugs, and committing murder arbitrarily and without a major systemic change is not just ridiculous, but it ignores the reality of historical events that shifted entire populations. Just because you don't understand or don't want to understand the historical influences, doesn't eradicate their factual existence. Either these were people who invested their labor and lives blood and bones time and talents into building the greatest superpower country on Earth, or they weren't actually 'humans' and are therefore underserving of compensation to which we typically avail to early investors into any successful enterprise.... Either we honor their humanity or we don't. I encourage you and others to change on these specific issues, fundamentally, which I acknowledge may never happen.

[@richardcook7204]

I know a few black kids with kids and dont want to raise them just like their father who walk out on family for their GANG

[@cellmate1]

Delano

[@willharriman1881]

Here's a true life example of the actual race problem in employment. A Black man applies for a skilled position as a service technician. He meets all education and experience requirements of the position. All the applicants must take a competitive examination on ELECTROMECHANICAL TECHNOLOGY. The Black man scores 97% on the test to make the number one highest score. THREE white males with LOWER test scores are hired. The Black man who made the top test score was NOT hired! White racist wrongdoings are the center of the basic race problem! Loury seems bent on IGNORING the existence and effects of continuing multi-generational race discrimination!

[@Jroc341]

Well spoken but seems out of touch with what lower and middle class blacks go through

[@willharriman1881]

@@Jroc341 Exactly!

[@willharriman1881]

@@artisanhome8980 You put it very well indeed! This idea of foisting off everything on the bad life decisions of the Black underclass is just bootlick propaganda pandering for white approval. Loury and others of his ilk get their exercise running away from legitimate race grievances and pushing stupid imaginary "victimhood" claims!

[@swaggboymcgee210]

"the great thomas sowell" lmao yikes

[@fightfannerd2078]

East Asians make more...

[@kolob4697]

He makes so many logical flaws as he talks about "reality" and yet does not deal with it's entirety. Ex mass incarceration, and the concept of criminality there is a 2 fold problem 1 the system does not deal with criminality equally think the criminals who crashed the economy against, vs people who sell weed one is criminalized heavily the other is not. He seems largely okay with crimes of domination, and seems like most of the bourgeoisie to be hyper focused on crimes of accomodations. 2. How the society decided what is legal and illegal and the reasons those decisions are made are alot of times racialized and have distinct class discriminations. He does not deal honestly with reality, nor does he learn and grow when challenged on his points .

[@lessimp]

I've listened to not only him, the others seem to make valid points about the 1619 Project making the case for America versus Declaration of Independence of 1776. I agree with the idea of good education for poor people including Blacks and Whites but I also agree with your argument, @Kolo B, that mass incarceration is sometimes due to the white power structure -- wait on my unpublished book "I Know A Deadbeat Judge When I See One."

[@pjacobsen1000]

"crimes of domination". But are they moral crimes or legal crimes? For moral crimes there is no punishment. Bad morals are not crimes. At worst, for a moral crime one may be ostracized from (polite) society. You may wish for "crimes of domination" to be punishable by the law, but for that you need to get the legislature to take action first.

[@kolob4697]

@@pjacobsen1000 Hey thanks for sharing your thought. However this is the problem the crimes of the elite are so well integrated into the norms that we dare not even call them crimes, refer to them as criminals, nor prosecute and punish them. Insider trading, money laundering, market manipulation and mergers an monopolizations which violate antitrust laws, illegal union busting, and maybe one of the worst is wage theft. It is a mis-characterization of justice to not take into account who decides what criminality is and why. We take these as core assumptions,what is legal should be legal and what is illegal should be illegal. Justice should be about justice,equity, and equality under the law, not race and class accomodations.

[@pjacobsen1000]

@@kolob4697 "We take these as core assumptions". Maybe you think we do, but many of us do not. The business/financial crimes you mention are regularly prosecuted and punished, but it can sometimes be difficult to prove them beyond a reasonable doubt, so some 'get away'. This is the case with all acts of crime. However, given that many suspects of financial crimes often have a lot of money to begin with, they can afford the best team of lawyers money can buy, whereas the corner shop robber will have to make do with a publicly appointed lawyer. Therefore there may often be a difference in outcome. EDIT: Actually, I may have misunderstood your meaning, now that I read your comment again. I thought you meant we assume that 'white collar crime' should not be prosecuted severely.

[@Michael-sw4yq]

I see this as well,I think fear of speaking truth because of his position.

[@IconRadio99]

So in your words, the oppressors are always right

[@Matt-kt9nm]

Those are your words.

[@protectionplustv7172]

What rubbish are you talking about???

[@IconRadio99]

Listen to his comments again. If you comprehend what he's saying clearly in my opinion, then that's a YOU problem

[@rogerward801]

Some people are their own oppressors

[@protectionplustv7172]

@@IconRadio99 apparently, you're the only one with comprehension...and a very poor one.

[@jfjlive]

The fossil fuel industry is more profitable NOW than it's ever been in history- as are nearly ALL huge corporations. Small businesses and humans continue to drop like flies. The fossil fuel racket especially benefited during the pandemic, receiving extra "emergency" subsidies over the usual, creating a huge cash surplus. Meanwhile, US GDP has continued to grow at 2-5% each year, but nearly ALL of the increased proceeds in the last decades have gone to the 1%. The 1% who set all prices, make all the laws, and who control the mouthpiece of the media. The fossil fuel racket and the war racket cannot be separated from one another because they worship the same demons, have the same goals. Goals like concentrating wealth, distributing liability and creating plausible deniability for corporate malfeasance, counter to planetary wellness, counter to the long term survival of human race- IN THE NAME OF CITIZENS UNITED.

[@DeRocco21]

In total numbers but profit margins are still small

[@daftwod]

Fun fact, the word wellness is only ever used by conmen and the deranged.

[@Pmtd1234]

Wow, well indoctrinated!

[@garbonomics]

You came to the wrong place to argue such ingnorance. None of that is necessarily true and blaming the one percent when even the poorest westerner is in the 1% of the 1% historically, is a gross misallocation of righteous indignation. People whole heartedly forget. Poverty is the norm and wealth, of any kind, is the exception. There is no where near enough human caused warming via co2 that can cause human extinction. Certainly not at current levels of co2 production. And quite frankly cold temperatures are far more congruent with death and extinction that warmth is. Again historically speaking the earth has been much much warmer and life thrived on a much broader scale than in the deepest cold period.

[@garbonomics]

@Anya Wale for most of the people on the planet today! And historically speaking for most of the people that have ever lived. What f#$*ing planet do you live on? The amount of people that live in abject poverty today far exceeds the number of those who live at western standards of relative wealth. Human beings natural condition is poverty wealth is the exception. You’re unbelievable amount of ignorance is frightening.