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Why doesn't Games Workshop make washes like these anymore?

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Stahly (Tale of Painters)

Stahly (Tale of Painters)

Күн бұрын

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@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 8 ай бұрын
Grab my acrylic washes comparison chart here: www.patreon.com/stahlytaleofpainters/shop/ultimate-acrylic-washes-shades-chart-v1-78682
@SteveB182
@SteveB182 8 ай бұрын
I would say GW's intention with washes is to fill the recesses, not tint the model, that's what contrast paints are for.
@anotherzingbo
@anotherzingbo 8 ай бұрын
Given the recent popularity of oil and enamel washes I imagine that one of Citadel's goals with their new shade paints was to reduce the overall tinting/staining effect they have. Personally sometimes I find it very useful and sometimes it's just a bit of a pain, so I don't think there's a single answer to the issue. I suppose with the new ones at least you can apply them twice to get a stronger tinting effect if you want it.
@baboubortmandu
@baboubortmandu 8 ай бұрын
Very true. I also like to work in smaller increments as it pertains to building up value, and their washes are great for that. Want it stronger? Slap a few more coats on there. Seraphim sepia in particular is great for building up the first layer of muzzle burn, and I like being able to have it heavier near the front and weaker at the back.
@11AleZZ
@11AleZZ 8 ай бұрын
Don't think so, in all their recent videos of painting, they still uses their washes to cover the whole model, also their new fórmula isn't very dark compared to the older ones, and you need darker colors to pin wash or panel lining.
@fallen2205
@fallen2205 7 ай бұрын
They lack consistency for that, even in this video you can see some act identical to AK deepshade and others are much thinner. As usual the optimal solution is still grabbing the best in each line if miney isn't a factor.
@veilofdarkness000
@veilofdarkness000 8 ай бұрын
The fact that they dry matte sold me. The GW washes drying glossy infuriates me to no end. Thanks for the review
@OaknShield
@OaknShield 8 ай бұрын
Wish AK or other companies promote more of their products like The Army Painter or Monument Hobbies; this came out during the summer and now in Dec I’m learning about this lol. Good review, always looking forward to new videos. Please do The Army Painter new line when it comes out.
@FercPolo
@FercPolo 8 ай бұрын
Promoting their products caused their entire issue. People were very upset they demonstrated their rust medium with a holocaust diorama. The paint is fantastic though. Top top top tier.
@IJJusion
@IJJusion 8 ай бұрын
Big fan of the AK deep shades, colour range is my only issue - I keep finding GW dries way too shiny for me, I only find I use them on metallics - also the deep shade medium works wonders if you want to get less tinting on the raised areas.
@user-lh1ig4wy7g
@user-lh1ig4wy7g 8 ай бұрын
Great rundown. Your the best most objective reviewer on KZbin and I have learned to trust your feedback after trying the products.
@mirage809
@mirage809 8 ай бұрын
Those washes from AK are looking good. Pure Grime and Hazel Brown look like washes that can become mainstays in my toolbox. Blue Moon however is something I've been looking for. I like thinning down a grey-blue like Russ Grey for shading white and Blue Moon basically looks like that mix in a pot to me. I'm curious how they'll look over metallics. I don't mind the matting effect since I varnish my models anyway. Some metals can be very slick however, giving certain washes trouble sticking to them.
@pattyjohnston6781
@pattyjohnston6781 8 ай бұрын
Thanks and keep up the great work. I really look forward to your fanatic paint review
@JM-sp2iu
@JM-sp2iu 8 ай бұрын
The Pro Acryl wash is the best imo especially if you're looking for similar to the old nul oil. For lighter color washes I still use citidel but will happily switch if PA comes out with some.
@Starburst7641
@Starburst7641 Ай бұрын
Thanks a million for doing this review! just what I needed!
@LegionaireSiggi
@LegionaireSiggi 8 ай бұрын
Thanks again Stahly for another review. I greatly appreciate the list of alternatives and can't wait for your War Paints review.
@ramonosuke
@ramonosuke 8 ай бұрын
I prefer to thin down my AP Dark Tone, over applying it directly. Straight out of the pot it feels too "tacky" and stains more than I would like. Looking forward to what the Fanatic Range brings. I will def check out Pro Acryl's offerings and will continue to avoid Citadels "improved" formula for the time being. Not because I think they're trash, but the value is just not there.
@nikolaosalexandroskaloumen1693
@nikolaosalexandroskaloumen1693 8 ай бұрын
My go to channel for understanding the difference in products and brands! Still waiting for a video for effect paints 😬
@MenzaCrow
@MenzaCrow 8 ай бұрын
Great video and quality as always! Very professional
@youtubevanced4900
@youtubevanced4900 Ай бұрын
These are basically contrast paints. Washes are meant to run into recesses without staining the surface too much.
@citizenrico42
@citizenrico42 8 ай бұрын
Always love to see a new video Stahly!
@southpaw5483
@southpaw5483 8 ай бұрын
Thank you Stahly. You have one of the best (if not very best) channels for product knowledge, reviews, and insights. May I have your thoughts on a preferred wash for primarily recess shading with minimal staining? My plan is to Prime a model in white, use a wash for recess shading, followed by painting with Contrast/Speed/Express paints. I can use Acrylic or Oil. My concern with "Oil Wash" is the need to varnish before applying the OilWash and varnish again before applying the "Contrast/Speed/Express" paint. Your thoughts/suggestions are welcomed.
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 8 ай бұрын
Then GW washes are probably the best choice. Or Pro Acryl washes thinned with some Contrast Medium.
@southpaw5483
@southpaw5483 8 ай бұрын
@@stahly_taleofpainters Thank you! Wishing you and family a wonderful Holiday Season.
@steveisaak4320
@steveisaak4320 8 ай бұрын
Why contrast medium Stahlly?
@DaHobbles
@DaHobbles 8 ай бұрын
Agreed with your take. I love the options on the market but the new Citadel washes are still my go-to. Great video! 🙌🏻
@lemon151087
@lemon151087 8 ай бұрын
Dear Stahly, I also bought and tried the deep shades and so far I really like them. But I found one interaction that was quite concerning. The invocation purple reactivated my xpress colors deep purple from vallejo. While I didn't observe that in the more matt or desaturated xpress color paints. Can you make a quick test on that?
@Alf_Hairy-arse
@Alf_Hairy-arse 8 ай бұрын
I think it makes more sense to go with new shades/tones when creating new paints. People are less likely to move over from brand A to brand B entirely as they tend to be heavily committed already. Plus people seem much more accepting these days of cherry picking paints from across ranges.
@hectaart
@hectaart 3 ай бұрын
Yo nice reviews. I wanted to ask what kind of plastic boxes you use to store your paints at 5:38 are
@andrenilsson8064
@andrenilsson8064 3 ай бұрын
I have the range. it's ok, but i think you should always use the thinning medium.
@TheMrlilcreepz
@TheMrlilcreepz 7 ай бұрын
Wondering if you ever plan to do a more extensive tierlist for mediums in the future?
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 7 ай бұрын
Definitely!
@laam999
@laam999 8 ай бұрын
Only reviews worth watching. I'd love to see you do one for each range. I've read them all but enjoy videos
@Vamru
@Vamru 3 ай бұрын
hey Stahly, just wondering if your deep shade paints smell a bit like spoiled/expired milk? I bought a couple after watching your video and really do like them but every time I go to use them I have to get ready for the smell lol
@WilliamChoochootrain
@WilliamChoochootrain 8 ай бұрын
You need to swap the 2nd and 3rd characters of the boxes that spell out Attack on Titan on the shelf behind you 🙂👍
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 8 ай бұрын
lol how could I miss this :D
@fancymichael6113
@fancymichael6113 8 ай бұрын
Nice review mate. Did the deep washes reactivate with other paint brands than AK?
@steveisaak4320
@steveisaak4320 8 ай бұрын
Have you taken a look at the new AK inks that are coming out soon? I thought I saw you can already get them in Europe, but not here in the US….. Hoping they are here soon. I stumbled upon this review and I may get them……
@bruceyoung9692
@bruceyoung9692 7 ай бұрын
What I want to know is the storage method for those paints shown @5:39. I could definitely stand to use that over my current methods.
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 7 ай бұрын
These are so called "Euroboxes" with 12 cm height and added inserts.
@Jonathanfors
@Jonathanfors 8 ай бұрын
Another great paint review! Will you be reviewing Army Painter's Fanatic line anytime soon?
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 8 ай бұрын
Yes, I'll work on them next!
@Scribbinge
@Scribbinge 8 ай бұрын
Unrelated to this vid, but have you ever tried Creature Caster's Cuttlefish Colors Stahly? There's really no non-sponsored reviews available out there for them, and I like paint brands that try to do something different. I'd really like to hear your thoughts on them if you can get them to send you a set!
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 8 ай бұрын
Not yet, on my to do list but I'm not sure how big the interest would be for a video. Might review them on taleofpainters.com though!
@JEANPIXBN
@JEANPIXBN 8 ай бұрын
GREAT VIDEO!!!
@markez1199
@markez1199 8 ай бұрын
Great video
@GoufinAround_
@GoufinAround_ 8 ай бұрын
Blue moon looks like it could be a great tint/wash for white armor
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 8 ай бұрын
Indeed
@FearlessK9Concepts
@FearlessK9Concepts 8 ай бұрын
Whats the grid you use to make your color pallete? Ive been looking to make one so I can see how each comes out
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 8 ай бұрын
Just textured plasticard: taleofpainters.com/2021/07/top-tip-make-your-own-paint-swatch-to-organise-your-paint-collection/
@FearlessK9Concepts
@FearlessK9Concepts 8 ай бұрын
@@stahly_taleofpainters Thank you!
@MrRlsquared
@MrRlsquared 8 ай бұрын
I didn't get notified on this new video. Found out b/c I'm on Discord.
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 8 ай бұрын
🙀
@justinhhp87
@justinhhp87 8 ай бұрын
can yhou tell how they are different than AK Wargame shades?
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 8 ай бұрын
Wargame shades are enamel-based
@CaptinCrofty
@CaptinCrofty 8 ай бұрын
Just wish citadel shades where cheaper. There still the best for what you want a shade paint to do
@wotzcheez
@wotzcheez 8 ай бұрын
Why you using washes as a contrast paint?
@youtubevanced4900
@youtubevanced4900 Ай бұрын
For washes we have oils and enamels these days. Why bother with acrylic washes at all.
@hav6301
@hav6301 6 ай бұрын
Current Nuln oil is suprisingly weak, I prefer Vallejo Black Wash, however their brown wash is pretty weak.
@magikarp2063
@magikarp2063 19 күн бұрын
Don't these look similar to contrast paints?
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 8 күн бұрын
Perhaps to some of the less intense ones likes Frostbite or Gryph-charger Grey
@sakidickerson
@sakidickerson 8 ай бұрын
The Citadel looks like a blotchy mess compared to these!
@alternate3787
@alternate3787 8 ай бұрын
If the AK washes are easy to thin down with water, I see no reason to stick to GW shades except for certain colors
@stahly_taleofpainters
@stahly_taleofpainters 8 ай бұрын
I'll always recommend to use a proper medium or you'll lose most of the unique properties of a wash
@alternate3787
@alternate3787 8 ай бұрын
@@stahly_taleofpainters Since the price of two pots and the medium are next to two pods of Citadel Shades where I live, with nearly 3 times the content per bottle, they are still a terrific deal. Thanks for highlighting them, I didnt even know Deep Shades exist
@BlommaBaumbart
@BlommaBaumbart 8 ай бұрын
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. This is the second time I hear of a paint company being controversial, what is it with this hobby. For those who though they'd rather skip the controversy, thinking it's some hysteria over a minor thing: Basically AK Interactive made advertisements portraying Nazi gas chambers as a pretty cool thing while aligning themselves with the Nazis. REALLY worth looking into whether you actually want to buy from them.
@Grendelnz
@Grendelnz 8 ай бұрын
"what is it with this hobby"? bunch of softcocks who cannot see context or nuance and want to cry about everything? AK did not "align themselves with Nazis" dont be hyperbolic. they made a marketing decision that was supposed to be edgy and backfired. thats it. calm down.
@PrzybyszzMatplanety
@PrzybyszzMatplanety 8 ай бұрын
Well, going this route you'll end making your own paints. Corporations are divided between controversial and those who's controversies aren't publicly known, yet. GW attacked fans for supposed copyrights violations and is selling less for higher pricing, AK had issue with gas chambers and African genocides in their dioramas, GSW stole work of some painter without compensating and attacked some content creators over some copyright issue, just like that. Dig deep enough and you'll find something on ProAcryl, Vallejo or Scale75. If not - just wait a little longer. How many of them remains? How many remaining are even available to you (good luck buying ProAcryl or Reaper, for example, if you live in Europe).
@zhufortheimpaler4041
@zhufortheimpaler4041 8 ай бұрын
No the problem is, that they made something that is basicly a product cataloge for their brand and that cataloge revolved around how cool you can paint stuff like sites of warcrimes, genocide etc with their products. They tried to appeal to the museal diorama "scene" but failed at it with a tacky and tasteless product.
@kraziel
@kraziel 8 ай бұрын
I seriously don't see the point to use anything else besides Army Painter Quickshades, they never changed and it's good reliable and does what you expect, and it's so god damn cheap in comparison.
@MichaelJahhdogscribbleboy
@MichaelJahhdogscribbleboy 7 ай бұрын
I think the price per ml is close (unless my math sux)
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