Why Dogs Bark, A Look Into Fascist Dog Whistles in Heathenry ft.

[@InTheMorningSnow]

One time I was researching a local group, and I was looking through their FAQ; they said that you don't need to be Scandinavian to practice heathenry and that, and I quote, "anyone of European descent can practice." That is when I decided I'm good being alone

[@Svartalf42]

Given the number of fascists and folkists who decided to grace the premiere's live chat, it's pretty damned clear how important a talk like this is. Good on you, Wolf. No frith with fascists!

[@WolfTheRed]

Thanks buddy. I appreciated your help in the chat.

[@WolfTheRed]

@P Prisbylla I don't think I mentioned original sin or white privilege once in that 3 hour talk. I do talk with people who want to listen. But it's not my job to deradicalize people who don't want to listen. I WILL do my part in making others aware of how those who refuse to listen can get by with dogwhistles.

[@WolfTheRed]

The demons exist. People like you who deny that are the problem. You help them grow.

[@Svartalf42]

@@user-gq2iw1xj5e You realize there are people out there literally calling for white ethnostates and spewing the same hate-filled bullshit that's been oozing from fascists and white supremacist groups for nearly a century now, more than a century in the case of the latter? I'm happy to talk with those who wish to speak in good faith, whose goals are even remotely acceptable. However, many of my friends, family, and comrades are persons of colour, members of the LGBTQIA+/GSRM communities, and other groups targeted by these bigots. I will not betray their safety for the sake of hearing out those whose ultimate goal is to see them dead. Fuck that noise, and fuck anyone who makes room for fascism and white supremacy.

[@Svartalf42]

@@user-gq2iw1xj5e Gotta love this intentional dodging of the issue at hand. My stance is based on actual interactions with people committing actual violence, not fucking boogie men like the right wing likes to resurrect from the USA's fucking red scare. Regardless, no point interacting with a bad faith fascist apologist. Your point has been made, and I'm sure the folks in white hoods looking on appreciate the help.

[@caitw105]

Been listening to this in parts on my way to work and finally got through it all. Thank you so much for putting this together! You always make stuff so easy to understand and it's fun to listen to! And as a side note: WoO just gets worse and worse the more I hear about him. So glad I dodged that bullet.

[@markdavidson4182]

I hate that fact that the jerks are stealing all our words.

[@davidlester1308]

Excellent stuff for any pagan to know. Especially helpful for Heathens. Wolf continues to be one of the best Heathen content creators around.

[@WolfTheRed]

Thank you David!

[@jaelmoray]

The Nazis and Folkists in chat only PROVE the need for discourse like this.

[@WolfTheRed]

100% Jael. Thank you for your help.

[@WolfTheRed]

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[@jaelmoray]

@@chadchadson2368 Chad, you are acting rather fragile, are you okay?

[@morgan_drui]

Those useful Centris have nazi accounts to troll with.

[@grematoo2478]

@@morgan_drui take your meds

[@BjarkiHugrakkr]

Coming back to this one in order to refresh my memory! Perfect timing to get a refresher on all this.

[@Sytoren]

Thank you so much for this video. I didn't realize how much of the information I was learning as a newcomer is horribly misleading. Thank you so much so glad I found this channel.

[@WolfTheRed]

You're very welcome.

[@northp_the_green_pale_pete]

Thank you for putting this together, Wolf! This is an incredible resource, and something that is so important for heathens, both new and experienced, to be aware of.

[@thecartoonheathen1659]

I see in my line of work that people that are racist tend to use the term Odinist. And I've learned that the term folk is also a nazi dog whistle. So, I don't like either of those terms myself. I use heathen mainly, though Norse pagan is also used by me frequently.

[@thecartoonheathen1659]

@@user-gq2iw1xj5e no, I'm of the lower middle class, otherwise known as the "ordinary people." I work a nine to five and pay my bills. I don't like the term Folk when used in a spiritual sense because of how it connotates an ethnic tie to the gods, when anyone can worship the gods. There is no reason to try to restrict the gods based on one's race. That's a disgrace.

[@thecartoonheathen1659]

@@user-gq2iw1xj5e being observant is what I'm doing. The term Folk as used in a spiritual sense is used to exclude people that don't have any ethnic ties to Europe. In fact, in the first few paragraphs of their website, the Asatru Folk Assembly states that there is a tie between one's blood and their religion. "As a part of the Great Aryan Religiosity, Asatru has a number of characteristic beliefs." This is clearly excluding those of non European descent. Not to mention that the only major organization that uses the term Folk in its name is the AFA, who was founded by an ethnonationalist named Stephen McNallen. It's for these reasons that I say the word Folk ought to be avoided by heathens. Additionally, the term Odinist was brought to the US by a member of the Nationalist Socialist Workers' Party of Denmark, Else Christensen, who was also arrested for smuggling drugs in 1993, though this doesn't necessarily reflect on her racial policies (her claims that "the jews control the Western sociopolitical establishment" do) but I do believe that it says something about her character outside of her racial views

[@thecartoonheathen1659]

@@user-gq2iw1xj5e seeing as this is not only an American problem, I would suggest that you would do good to pay attention to what I said as well. Regardless, I have stated my reasons to stop using the words Folk and Odinist (and as such any derivatives) I don't believe that there is any good reason to continue to use these words.

[@thecartoonheathen1659]

@@user-gq2iw1xj5e I have nothing against the word folk in certain contexts. Such as "you are some good folks" or "I like folk music." It's when it is used in a spiritual context that it becomes an issue. When used in a spiritual context, it becomes a dogwhistle for racists that believe that the gods are limited by DNA.

[@Sakuraclone99k]

Fantastic video Wolf! I super appreciate a long form conversation about this ever since the Omnipotent Beard episode on the Odal Rune Stage Design that CPAC used. I always enjoy listening to Ocean and you talk about such important topics. Don't let the crazies get you down Wolf :D

[@forestjohnson7474]

1:08:59 I like what Alikai said" the Gods/Goddesses will work with who they want, race sexual orientation has nothing to do with it" I want to hear pagans say that more.

[@therealecho6342]

I’ll say this just because I think you’ll find it interesting. The reason they are called dog whistle isn’t like whistling for your dog. It’s more like the metal pipe dog whistles. It’s such a high frequency that humans can’t hear it. Only dogs can hear them so other people don’t notice them

[@WolfTheRed]

Yeah I've got a real dog whistle. Neat little thing.

[@moxbel]

This is a great resource to have! Thanks for putting all this together.

[@WolfTheRed]

I hope it helps for a long time to come.

[@Al-sf3dw]

@@WolfTheRed This is a LONG but good video. I learned a lot from this video. We all share the same human experiences. It is screwed up that Humans find so many ways to propagate hatred and ways to separate us from each other.

[@WolfTheRed]

@AI I'm so glad you enjoyed it mate.

[@cassied.6731]

First of all, thank you for confirming that Survive the Jive is alt-right. I thought he might be because while I hadn't yet had a chance to watch any of his content and had only skimmed some channel titles a couple of his titles and collabs were yikes-y, and because I hadn't looked into the actual content yet I wasn't sure if it was intentional dogwhistling or not. I also really appreciate you talking about the way people use Judeo-Christian as a dogwhistle, especially in Christian spaces. This is one I actually didnt know, though the more I think about it the more it really does make sense. The only people I really hear using the phrase "Judeo-Christian values" are heavily right-leaning people who want to appeal to a Christian audience and look academic. While I've heard the term in academic spaces a couple times, the people who use it are older and while nobody says the term is outdated, it feels really outdated - even without the dogwhistle context.

[@christal2641]

Re: "Judeo-Christian" This was a term introduced at least by the early '60s in liberal Chritian or post-Christian groups to explicitly INCLUDE JEWS. The context was reaction against the still vividly remembered horrors of the Nazis. Also, some Christian groups were using "Christian" to mean anything virtuous, respectable, or even reflective. Time passed. In the 80's, a Jewish professor of comparative religions, Jonathan Z. Smith (U of Chicago), complained that he had never met a Judeo-Christian in his life. He said that the term had become actually offensive to many Jews. By then, the correct terms were "children of Abraham," "Abrahamic Covenant," "Radical Monotheism," and "People of the Book." (This later was an important idea in Islam, which accepted both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament as valid Sacred Scripture. Of course, Islam excluded all the other religious followers from any civil rights: Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, and surviving Arab, Berber, and Hellenistic Pagans.) As the only "out" Pagan at the Divinity School at the time, I felt obliged to point it out when such terms were used to appropriate all virtues, and eventually to justify appropriate much of the land of "lesser folk without the Law" ---Kipling, "Recessional"

[@patfrench8046]

I follow Aiths channel. He is very good. I did not realize he was getting attacked, but i knew he was having some trouble with some people a while back. He is awsome. Please lets have his back.

[@rachaelkinley8186]

So I’m the south, (Louisiana) not everyone who uses these terms are “racist” I’m just now seeing this. I’m in a biracial relationship and we are very confused… he’s a liberal and I’m a libertarian… I’ve just found my way In my faith. I appreciate the education because I really didn’t know this. Some terms I have never heard of. Thanks for the video.

[@WolfTheRed]

Yeah a lot of folks just don't know any better! I'm here to educate not shame! 🙏

[@Earendil1979]

Good stuff here, Wolf, thanks! Just a tip for a good resource for anti-fascist/anti-racist type teaching, that is really good at the sort of undercover, psy-op thing that Ocean mentioned, is the channel Beau of the Fifth Column. He talks about all this sort of stuff from a community organizing perspective, but the way he talks and how he looks is like your typical southern good ol boy, deep in the heart of the Right. He's really good about both teaching how to recognize this type of dog whistle stuff, as well as showing people how, and giving resources to sort of doing the same thing to the Right.

[@tirith5030]

This may be the most comprehensive video on this topic as it relates to Heathenry. This video is helpful and necessary to keep Heathenry and Paganism free of bigotry, and I'm proud to be a part of the Wolf Pack biting back at bigotry.

[@WolfTheRed]

It's good to have you mate!

[@NBDYSPCL]

I find it saddening that almost every denomination of pagan seems to have a folkist bent. Obviously Heathenry and Hellenism. But also discussions of some kind of 'blood inheritance' infiltrates Kemeticism and even Celtic paganism. Despite having largely animistic worldviews that allow for the co-existence of different gods. I stay away from the "asatru" label for this reason. While they are my main pantheon, nothing stops me from venerating Hermes, Thoth or the Morrigan if the situation arises. We isolate ourselves with the walls we build and the boundaries we define.

[@WolfTheRed]

Well said.

[@DrRxQueen]

Thanks for this. I recall reading about the Nine Noble Virtues in a general pagan book and it sounded so nice, I even had them written on a post-it many years ago. Of course they didn't mention the nasty background.

[@mrzsbroomcloset2772]

This is a topic that I've been wanting to figure out for a long time. I didn't even know the damn word dog whistle was even a thing until Trump got into office. Its taken me awhile to really hash it all out and figure out what the hell everyone is talking about lol. I feel like my parents when I started to listen to Nirvana and they didn't understand the music. This topic is huge in all of the facebook groups that I've tried to join. I joined for the community and the learning and nearly every meme or topic tends to turn into well I'm .25% Scandinavian so I'm basically Ragnar Lodbrok reincarnated. This then turns into people "hammering" down the point about race and how you have to have the blood in order to worship the gods. It just gets out of hand and its almost no use trying to correct them with how many swarm the comments. Thank you for putting this all out there, its helped me immensely understand the history of the WS and is going to help me avoid those organizations and groups that use the symbols and language in their works.

[@WolfTheRed]

I'm really glad to hear that its helped you Z!

[@alanna7196]

I keep getting blocked on Tik tok for asking Norse Pagans if they support declaration 127.. they’re like idk wtf that is? And I get blocked from commenting more… also I see others comment that they don’t have to discuss that if they don’t want to 🙄 must be folkists

[@coleyyy704]

I know right? Tiktok is FULL of nootsee weirdos.

[@TheUltrabeast55]

This was awesome. I had fallen for some of these traps early in my exploration of Heathenry and Paganism and having the explanations of what to watch for laid out will be so helpful going forward.

[@milesfromnowhere1985]

Good to hear support for Arith Härger for once...also, on the subject of Hyperborean nonsense, I had an unlucky purchase from the pagan shop recently: "Beyond the North Wind" by Christopher McIntosh...got a few pages in, and all my alarm bells started going off, and I haven't picked it up since.

[@NBDYSPCL]

That r/asatru has him on an automated " this guy is questionable" list *_just because he's Portuguese_* made me nope out of that community and find r/heathenry. Lot of dog whistles and under cover shit in there. Touching on the Reddit hate crusade. It seems to stem from this belief that he's been lying about who he is and where he's from and what he believes. He's said some things I don't agree with (a flippant comment around BLM I think) but it's largely all horseshit.

[@WolfTheRed]

R/heathenry is just as bad.

[@NBDYSPCL]

@@WolfTheRed Oh damn really? I haven't seen anything yikesy yet.

[@erikeriksson1660]

Othin is the Old Norse name, Wotan is the Old High German name, Woden is the Anglo-saxon name. The all stem from the proto-germanic Wothanaz.

[@manticorej.redmon9542]

I wanted to name the paintball team i am on the Sons of Odin having no idea. And most of the team pointed out its got bad associations. Great video👍

[@Strider1313]

Does it really I have 2 hoodies

[@caseysilkwood47]

The vid I've been waiting for! You guys are the best. The minefield is getting a bit easier to navigate.

[@WolfTheRed]

I'm glad it helps Casey!

[@goatsiahthelegend]

I feel like the Asatru Folk Assembly has the same vibe as Westboro Baptist Church.

[@Frithwood_Farm]

I made a similar statement to my husband today, that Folkists have the same vibe as Evangelical Christians.

[@WolfTheRed]

They're the worst

[@herkles5416]

This is a good discussion. Rather long but good discussion. here to help fight the algorithm.

[@dalucke8907]

It hurts me to hear that the term "Wõdan" is also corrupted by nazis. It is the historical and etymological correct name of the south germamic interpretation of the God (who may or may not later become known as Odin in the north). He is seen as a source of inspiration, magic, wisdom and healing and I always felt a connection to these values. As a person from south Germany I absolutely don't want to be seen as a nazi or share any similarities with them. So cause of that facist abuse of an old german Term, I am forced to use the northern Name so I can't be associated with racist scum. End of my rant. 😅 Great content you guys do over there and it is allways interesting to see which simular or different problems heathens in the USA have to face.

[@Dwarfenthusiast1874]

Definitely gonna save this and rewatch for later. This was super helpful thanks wolf!

[@WolfTheRed]

Glad it helped!

[@aliasalone5823]

This has been Immensely enlightening for me, I’ve known of and am a fan of Contrapoints and have been for a while but I guess I haven’t really thought of certain dog whistles in reference to the faith, I’ve been practicing for Years and I’m just now learning some Very enlightening shit from this. When I was first starting out with my brother we stumbled upon the only heathen/“Asatru” videos about it, Survive the jive, WoO, even Stephen Mcnallen, now the Latter of which was rather obvious to us that he was racist but… with others our rose tinted glasses were and and we weren’t looking for it, so we just didn’t see it. I knew some of STJ’s comments were iffy but only realised the scope when I saw a colab with “the golden one” and I dipped. But there’s so much racism engrained into Heathenry that I just never noticed, and it gives me a greater understanding of how to spot different people/groups now. And for that Thank You! Because Ik that first starting out you always bump into labels like Åsatru, Odinist, Norse pagan/polytheist, and Heathen, and I feel like many of us use some forms of it interchangeably without thinking about the repercussions, or connotations. Hell I never even had a second thought about the “Nine noble virtues” it’s so overused in social media platforms it became an accepted and normal thing to me… Thank You So Much!

[@tonybennett5555]

Holy shit I knew I wasnt crazy about the Hyperborean bullshit

[@Velothi]

Ocean eats what?? @38:12 jokes aside thank you for this, overwhelmingly helpful guide. thank you Wolf & Ocean for being you!

[@WolfTheRed]

Hahahahahahahahahah

[@raingiesbrecht2129]

Definitely saving this for future reference. This info is needs to be said

[@victoriajankowski1197]

I am finally getting to listen to this and it hit me the 'common' symbols or dog whistles that 'could' be normal conversation is society level gaslighting!

[@WolfTheRed]

If you actually listened you would understand that these are things to look for but are not clear indication of ill intent. And I explain exactly why. This should be easily understood.

[@victoriajankowski1197]

@@WolfTheRed I understand that, I did listen to all of the video, took me 3 tries cause my internet is acting u., I guess I miss-explained in my excitement to share my ....epiphany? As someone who like so many of us find myself in conversations with people saying theses things and trying to explain why they are problematic to others 'listening in' who just don't see why its a problem, and just feeling more and more tin foily, its the mental sensation of the wife in 'The Devil's Advocate' at times, it was just a bit of a "I'm not imagining al of it' . It was less of everyone who does it is doing it with ill intent and more of a shift in my personal view of the behavior and how it effects my internal dialog around it.

[@WolfTheRed]

@@victoriajankowski1197 I'm so sorry I thought you were saying j was gaslighting people with this video haha. Bless. No but you're right that's exactly what they are doing. (Sorry with all the Nazis and Folkists in the comments I was already defensive)

[@JeronisLeror]

No Frith with Fascists!

[@Davlavi]

Glade your doing this

[@Kaare-The-Heathen]

This video has been invaluable in my practice and spotting fascists as a Jewish-descended Heathen. I look more Germanic and while I do have a bit of German blood, it's not generally what I identify with racially, so I deal with folkists a lot online. But in person I'm worried that due to the fact that I look white, some fascists might try to dog whistle to me. Thanks for this video Wolf.

[@Joshua_Froschauer]

Cultural appropriating then?

[@foxyjambread3826]

These kinds of videos are so useful. Racist dogwhistles work like...well, actual dogwhistles, which are whistles that work at a frequency dogs can hear that humans can't. I read somewhere we use it for fascist dogwhistles because of experiments Francis "father of eugenics" Galton did to try to prove his racist ideas, but I haven't looked into it much. Anyway, yeah, they only work if they stay inscrutable dogwhistles instead of, yanno...just whistles. Videos like this put them in a frequency we can all understand, so ty for the work you're doing.

[@sarcasticvalet1199]

Very good and important video. I've taken it in instalments because of work commitments, and I didn't want to miss something , which is easy to do if you're working. I found what you said about the use of terms like "fiscal responsibility" and " small government " illuminating, although they are problematic even at face value.Free speech is something which l am generally in support of, but then it is not normally used to create a hostile environment for me ( at least until my political views are heard!), as it is for others, including friends of mine. It's especially interesting when people talk about free speech and civility. I'm rambling again, just wanted to say thanks and help boost the video via engagement.

[@WolfTheRed]

Free speech is extremely important. So are the consequences that come with abusing it. Thanks for your feed back mate.

[@neilcathan8594]

Atlantis: there are two big sources on this. The guy you may not have heard of is Wilhelm Landig who had some bizarre ideas about the Aryans being from Atlantis. A novelist (most famous work the Thule Trilogy, which is what it fucking sounds like) who had been in the SS, he's also the one responsible (near as we can tell), for the resurgence of the Sonnenrad as a symbol. He also helped popularise the nazi World Ice Theory and the (almost certainly) false, but popular even among well meaning people Gurdijeff In Tibet Connection. Landig - fucking nutso ex nazi soldier that he was - is an important name to be familiar with. I strongly advise Nicholass Goodrick Clark's 'Black Sun' - it's an exhaustive (and sometimes exhausting) history of fascist occultism. Get it as an e-book and then Ctrl+F a term you have a question about, 9/10 times he will give you the answer and 6/10 times the answer will be screaming "LANDIG!" at the sky on your knees. The other one is Evola. Evola definitely talks about Atlantis in Pagan Imperialism. I've not read his other proto-fascist bullshit books, but it definitely popped up in there. I've been told it's in RATMW as well, though I haven't gone looking myself yet. Hyperborea is also some Evola shit.

[@spanishnorsepagan7102]

Thank you for this highly appreciated 🤘🏼❤️‍🔥🤘🏼

[@Hamieee]

Anyone who wants to say we shouldn't talk about this just needs to shut up. You don't fix a problem by ignoring it.

[@WolfTheRed]

Agreed!

[@RowanWiccae]

'The Golden One' is a Faschist.... Hearing that said in this video drove home for me how both really good and very naïve my judgement can be sometimes. I remember stumbling onto his channel some years ago when I was first learning about Norse Paganism. But something about him rubbed me the wrong way, made me feel uncomfortable watching his videos. His views on things felt skewed somehow and I eventually abandoned him for other resources. I'm glad to see my intuition was correct in this matter but up until recently I'd found myself in that same situation a number of times. I'd find a source that seems legit, red flags start flying and I begin to question their legitimacy and I eventually move on. It was only once I found Wolf's and Ocean's videos that I'd honestly begun to be more observant of the media I intend to absorb. I've been learning what sources to avoid, what symbols and DOG WHISTLES to keep an eye out for. I've learned to be wiser in my research because of this community that's taken the time to set out those stepping stones for people like me, who aren't as well educated on the subject of Norse Paganism but yet fully understands there's a dangerous line that must be acknowledged and didn't really know where it started exactly. Thanks Ocean, Wolf and all of your followers for helping to guide me and other newcomers like me down a safer path :)

[@Momofboys1225]

I’m so PROUD OF YOU GUYS for addressing this problem.

[@GothiGrimwulff]

Great video 🍻 Took me a couple days to finish, but very informative

[@WolfTheRed]

Stoked you liked it mate!

[@lucashummel5952]

What’s your view of the youtuber Norse magic and beliefs ?

[@barefootarts737]

Funny thing about racist Dog Whistles, if you can hear it, then you are the Dog.

[@syddlinden8966]

Ok I'm really glad you guys talked about Crawford. I have been really unsure of him and have a hard time getting a read on it he's actually problematic or not. I like his in depth translations but a couple of his videos on deity or ancient life either ignore current day practices or have some language in that threw me. So thanks for taking about him. I'll have to dig through more old community videos...

[@robgau2501]

That's so funny! I did the exact same thing with the wolves of Odin shirt. Lol It's just crammed in the back of my closet. I hate it. I don't like it because just cheesy and hell.

[@WolfTheRed]

Hahaha right? Glad I'm not the only one.

[@Strider1313]

Funny every time I’ve read wolves of odin on any picture it gave me bad vibes…am i right to think that ?

[@lilykatmoon4508]

Native peoples and practices have died in my local area in SE Texas (Houston area). In a park I often take my dog to, their little education area that tells about the scant information known about the tribes from that area are completely gone now. They can just interpret what little they can from archeological traces.

[@JasmineTea127]

As a white 4th gen American, It doesn't feel like I was raised with much culture, mostly just capitalism. I enjoy media like The Last Kingdom/Vikings/Outlander and they sparked my interest in British and Scandinavian history. Studying the countries and cultures of my ancestors has filled that part of me that longed for heritage. It's a shame all these things I love have become so stigmatized by the neo-nazi plague. I worry if I'll be seen as one of them for wearing my Thor pendant. It's also wacky that getting involved in communities around these subjects are just a matter of meeting the wrong people, or getting curtailed the wrong recommendations for someone to descend down the alt-right rabbit hole.

[@WolfTheRed]

Well said

[@lilykatmoon4508]

My 90 lbs GSD/Caucasian Ovcharka mix is named Frekki 😊. I love Wolves too.

[@lilykatmoon4508]

I had to pause a few minutes in because I worked in education as both a librarian and teacher for over 20 years in Texas. I left in 2016 for health and mental health reasons, but jumped back in briefly for a few years. All that to say, currently I’m struggling in a lot of areas but in the past few years I’ve seen a path to healing and growth through a pagan path, but have flitted around to different creators, liking them for various reasons, but not gelling with anything in particular. I have largely Germanic (contintental and Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian) ancestry , but went anywhere but towards Heathenry bc the only thing I associated with it was white supremacy bc Nazis (I honestly didn’t realize about it in current Heathen groups.) I had judged all modern Heathens without knowledge. Such a snowflake, 🙄, past me was, lol. I’ve derailed the point of this comment, but oh such enlightening introspection y’all’s channels have brought. In any case, one reason I burnt out of public education was having been awoken to the legacy of white supremacy as I became a more experienced teacher. I taught high school social studies, but helped tutor middle school. I also worked as a librarian in two different situations. Over the course of 20+ years, I was less able to stomach the uneasiness and discontent with the profession and with myself honestly. Continuing to find ways to “teach” the required content but by totally disengaging from actual teaching. On the one hand, I could see that what we were being ordered by the state to teach about world and US History in addition to the huge numbers of teachers that I knew - let me clarify-other white teachers who honestly saw absolutely no problems with any of it. Now to the point- I often felt uneasy about the almost exclusive focus on western civilization and it’s importance in the curriculum. Even world history- one of my many subjects- was exclusively viewed through a lens of the supremacy of western culture. When we studied Asian and African and indigenous native peoples- it was a short spin through major time periods, technological inventions, all crammed into a section of a section on the history of china and most of the other history through the colonial perspective. I didn’t realize what it was exactly. But I was educated more by the lives of the students. My interactions with them and listening to their stories, seeing the physical and mental trauma most of them dealt with on a daily basis. I’d say they taught me more about myself and what kind of a person I want to be than I ever taught them anything of importance. So, I feel a strong sense of rightness, belonging, and hope. A long winded comment but the spirits of the deities have CLEARLY spoken to me. I’m super happy and truly hopeful for the first time in a long time. I want to harness this feeling but I almost feel like my mind will burst with whirling thoughts too. Anyways, I’ll try to awkwardly sign off because I never know how to exit conversations correctly, lol. Take care!

[@TC-8789]

I've gotten interested in proto Endo-European content. I appreciate you pointing out dog whistles around that so i know who and what to watch out for.

[@Sactown15]

Heathens who constantly use the word "woke" as a negative. 🧐

[@lilykatmoon4508]

So, I was wondering about the proto Indo-European thing. One person I follow had survive the Jive on his podcast who I had found out was a white supremacist. He was one of the guys I wasn’t certain about. Some concepts he explained like the Norse view of the universes and the different parts of the soul, I found useful and well explained. But I noticed certain misogynistic language, toxic masculinity. Being a gym bro and MMA fighter. I was about 98% sure by the time I started this video that I was going to cut him loose, but the info-European focus is a clincher.

[@AerdernixLittleDragonMacDane]

The jive always rubbed me the wrong way and there are a lot out there that are the same

[@oceanstar3349]

Thank you for clarifying the use of the word "folks" I was starting to worry I would have to come up with a new inclusive term for "Adult humans" because the Nazis took one.

[@valkyriebait136]

Hey, HEMA shout out! I feel seen.

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

i will see the vide otomorrow with pleasure

[@endymion30]

being a centrist comes at a cost, i would know. if it wasn't for me trying to delve into political philosophy i would have gone to either extremes best advice for any centrist, STUDY!!! no seriously, study all aspects, look at studies, read philosophy, don't let yourself get used by bad people pay attention to their words, their grammar, how they present themselves. don't let them use you. thanks for bringing attention to centrist, too many people think we are just tools to use

[@cm60854]

If people are in the early stages of researching Norse Paganism you might want to be more forgiving of the use of Wotan, this is the spelling used in Wagner's ring cycle

[@WolfTheRed]

Yeah in all cases education is the first step. And then you see how people take that information and react to it. It's always a case by case basis and no 2 situations are the same.

[@emiliobustamante2401]

I mean Wagner really fucking sucks and definitely wouldnt want anyone to take after him but fair point

[@cm60854]

@@emiliobustamante2401 while I'm given to understand he sucked as a person, as a composer he is exceptional

[@WolfTheRed]

Be mad at the nazis for ruining that very obscure usage of Wotan and help me fight against white supremacists who dirty Heathenry with their harmful ideas.

[@WolfTheRed]

@@user-gq2iw1xj5e im... fighting for people of color to safely practice heathenry... and you're arguing that people of color should drink from their own well.

[@chrisolson4405]

Free speech is such a weak argument. I'm not arguing whether you /can/ say it. I'm arguing whether you /should/ say it.

[@danielacedillo3714]

Star Wars, Marvel, and DC Fandoms like that. You can't talk about politics...but these Fandoms are all about Politics...People saying no politics but still have heavy conservative politics that permimate in that group and any disagreement is no.

[@realized1]

I really dont like the word "folk" .I makes me cringe a little.

[@WolfTheRed]

Right?

[@AerdernixLittleDragonMacDane]

It is different when you speak a scandinavian language as the word means people and is used in every day life, which could make it even more hard to detect a dog whistle with the term folk.

[@WolfTheRed]

I live in the deep south of GA. Every one is "those folks over there". I hear it 24/7

[@GeminiMoon1994]

@@WolfTheRedFolk is a common term where I’m from, it’s not cringe at all.

[@McNastyxx95]

You are, the company you keep! If your entire environment is people who sell dope, do dope, or run dope, Chances are98% if the time and I’ll place bets, your not around just to play Xbox .

[@Strider1313]

Dear lord your pointing things out to me I have a hoodie that says sons of odin I got a long ass time ago (which someone in the comments just pointed out sons of odin is a icky thing) and I was wearing the hoodie in downtown detroit and was asked if I’m an odinist and I just say no not at all not even knowing it’s mean it felt wrong

[@ethannelson8592]

Very thankful for vids like this. I’m so glad I got out of the WoO cult early on

[@trev1013]

You and me both my friend. He was a big part for me when I was initially trying to go in depth with the practices. Several months down the line, I’m so glad I do NOT support that loser anymore.

[@Cxnnietinuity]

That bothers me, cuz hes one of the first results you get on norse paganism which just rakes in new people for his cult since they dont know the truth about him. Glad youre out of that, me and you both

[@jonahsimmons3645]

I like Crawford as far as strictly academic viking stuff, especially for reenactment people. The only other people I've seen put out stuff on the topic is Welsh Viking (pretty good), WoO (very bad), and various random ~sus~ creators so I'm a little attached to Crawford.

[@WolfTheRed]

He has his uses.

[@lilykatmoon4508]

I’ve often wondered about Crawford. I’ve watched a couple videos here and there because I’m an etymology nerd and the connection’s language can show us between civilizations is fascinating to me. But I had wondered how useful his content was to studying Heathenry because he’s honestly kind of a boring speaker even though his information is interesting. I felt no spiritual connection to anything he said though, and wondered if I was an outlier in that regard.

[@lilykatmoon4508]

Y’all should watch Lady of the Library’s video on Nazis and Atlantis. She touches on how nazi mysticism and white supremacy bolster their beliefs through the mythos of Atlantis. She actually has a great debunking Atlantis series of three videos, with the Nazi one being the most recent.

[@trev1013]

I am so glad I found you both a few months ago. Seriously, I’ve encountered some “Norse Pagans” that display these behaviors… major red flags and I had a scratching intuition to not be overly fond of them anyways. Thank you 🙏💯

[@WolfTheRed]

Absolutely.

[@lilykatmoon4508]

Here’s an idea- in education I had to go through gang training on more than one occasion and we had to learn gang signs. Have white supremacy signs and symbols be taught not only to the staff, but to the students. I wonder if Cancun Cruz would support that measure. Or I’d Proud boy fan boy Greg Abbott would sign that bill.

[@erikeriksson1660]

The word "folk" just mean "people" in swedish. In Sweden it has nothing to do with the far-right.

[@flowlee3656]

It's also a musical genre. I make Nordic/dark folk, that doesn't make me a fascist.

[@forestjohnson7474]

43:38 Ive seen people who use the "noble virtues", Ive never seen it in history is the problem.

[@Grevnor]

Proto-Indo-European is a reconstructed language, a tool developed by linguists to track the evolution of the Indo-European language family (which include almost all European languages (Basque and the Finno-Ugric languages being notable exceptions), as well as quite a few languages in Iran and India), by positing a HYPOTHETICAL earliest common ancestor. THAT IS ALL IT IS. A made up language that may or may not have been what the ancestors of all of these peoples sounded like. Any and all claims of a culture or a religion is pulling stuff out of your a**. It's idiotic, offensive, and as a linguist I take further offence at building stuff out of imaginary bricks that was meant to be something completely different. Something generations of linguists spent their entire careers building, to boot.

[@WolfTheRed]

I'm not sure what your actual complain is.

[@Grevnor]

@@WolfTheRed Fairly unstructured rant about historical revisionism to the point of making stuff up wholesale instead of "just" rewriting history. And basically shitting all over the field of historical linguistics in the process. All in the name of their awful ideology, of course (crimes against science is nothing when you are allready dealing with crimes against humanity). Finally, Indo-European =/= just Germanic. If you want to actually reconstruct the religion of this hypothetical culture (which is kind of pointless, as we have no sources whatsoever, and linguistic descent =/= cultural descent), you would need to look at Greco-Roman, Slavic, Baltic, Celtic, Zoroastrian, some Central Asian, and Hindu mythologies as well, among many others. And as a side note: PIE is not even used by linguists all that much anymore. It was a milestone achievement in the field, but it's now quite dated (the rediscovery of the Hittite language was a major problem, as it was older than the languages used to recreate PIE, yet looked very little like how the linguists expected). And adding the "Don't Feed the Nazis" sign has essentially made it nothing more than a point of scholarly history. Sorry for another rant. Hope this one was clearer. TLDR: If you are not talking about the development of the field of historical linguistics, there is no point in mentioning PIE.

[@j3tztbassman123]

Have a cookie for the algorithm

[@j3tztbassman123]

Can't edit 47:00 I usually list Thor first, when telling people about my collection of Gods.

[@n3v3rm0r3]

🖖

[@jinxbumpus7270]

Honestly I kept hearing that you do not kneel when praying to the gods because you are there equal or something like that so I always thought it was bad to kneel . Even though I do not see myself as equal to the Gods . I still thought it was bad to kneel to them Because that’s what I was told. Now I know the truth though. Thank you!

[@lilykatmoon4508]

I love Arith Harger! ❤

[@forestjohnson7474]

Me too

[@AerdernixLittleDragonMacDane]

Yea he is seemingly safe , sceptical of all

[@Humanophage]

Don't see what's wrong with being pro-white. Still a fun listen.

[@gg2fan]

I'll try to address this in a good faith manner 'whiteness' is NOT a racial category. It is an artificially contrived category that emerged out of colonialism to determine a cultural and economic in-group under the new social relations of capitalism, against which out groups can be defined to determine whether it's ok to exploit, oppress, and enslave them. Keeping in mind that the white working class was oppressed and exploited anyway, because the real battle lines of society are not ethnic or national but based on your class position within the economy. But anyway, the concept of whiteness just emerged out of the cultural upheaval of modernity where traditional understandings of community were uprooted by fundamental systemic changes to the way the economy was organized, with people being ripped off their ancestral land in things like the Enclosure movement, deracinating the peasantry, removing them from their traditional notions of community as they're forced into wage labor in the cities and away from communal tenant farming. Culturally, this created a new need to identify who is 'us' and who is 'them' in a world where this question is no longer immediately answerable. Previously, you wouldn't even need to ask it, 'us' is my community, 'them' is any community outside of mine. Now people needed new categories of identity, new way to define themselves within an in-group, out of which emerged nationalism, and the white vs non white dichotomy. It only very vaguely refers to actual ethnic categories, which is why it's such a moving target that can be shifted and morphed to include or exclude Italians, Albanians, Chechens, etc. What that means is 'white power' and 'black power' don't ACTUALLY refer to the ethnic categories they imply. That's not what they really mean. They're referring to the in group vs out group categories that emerged out of colonialism, so 'black power' or similar such phrases are liberatory slogans of equality within a colonial hierarchy of domination, and 'white power' is essentially a call to enforce and reify the hierarchies AND the domination, oppression, and inherent logic of supremacy they carry with them, because there's no other way to explain and justify the existence of the hierarchy, and the placing of whites above blacks and browns, without claiming it's the just and correct ordering of society because whites are just better. Don't be pro-white. That's at best a totally immaterial and meaningless political identification that won't get you anywhere you want to go, it's just you feeling somehow culturally wounded and aggrieved and letting it blind you to things you should actually be caring about and trying to address, which are very easy to see once you look past immaterial identitarian feuds. It's the guys who determine the actual everyday circumstances of your life, your bosses who keep your wages low and organize politically to keep you voiceless in the actual conditions of your own existence.

[@Humanophage]

​@@gg2fan Try to keep your posts more succinct. On topic, "working class" is an artificial grouping that pulls together completely different lifestyles like a cashier, a farmer, and a janitor. They also have vastly different economic interests, and just about everything about them is different. The factory worker working class which the Marxists were concerned with never even comprised a majority in any country except briefly Belgium. Moreover, it's currently one of the most right-wing groups and has been for a while. "White race" is an objective population of biological Europeans. You can check any genetic study and they will comprise a distinct cluster. Contrary to the "whiteness studies" myths, groups like the Irish and Italians were not excluded from whites as they were permitted to immigrate in large amounts to countries which openly prohibited non-white immigration. Human societies are formed around populations, not around classes. A society can be 100% racially homogeneous but never 100% homogeneous by class. There are many examples of successful racially homogeneous societies. But attempts to create class homogeneity end up in failed utopias a la Cambodia at worst, and stagnation a la 70s UK at best. Moreover, nowadays the Marxists are especially anachronistic and harmful as they tend to promote mass migration, i.e. they promote a direct threat of replacement.

[@gg2fan]

@@Humanophage It has nothing to do with lifestyles, working class is a VERY tangible term that groups people according to their relationship to capital and the means of production. They have exactly the same economic interests; if you work for a wage, you want better wages, better hours, better benefits, more power over your own labor, and your boss wants the opposite for you. It's a very clear conflict with much, MUCH more tangible results on the actual quality of your life than pursuing some abstract notion of racial interests, which will only obfuscate the class conflicts that ACTUALLY produce negative outcomes for everybody, regardless of what color they are. There are definitely different sections of the working class, which is often a point that's willfully ignored by non-marxists, so it's good that you're aware of that I suppose- the exploiter/exploited dynamic is not a binary, it's a spectrum with infinite room for nuance. The problem of orienting your political thought and efforts around ethnicity is that it's not an actionable agenda. How do you make things 'better' for white people? Kick out the brown people? I mean, if that's where you are, at least you're upfront about it, but I don't think that's either realistic or good for anybody. This is the greatest strength of class politics, is that it's 1. Immediately clear what the political goals are, and how they are to be pursued- organize and federate the disprate working classes into political coherent entities that can make demands and lobby for their shared interests, which are themselves very simple, better protections and a more fair share of the value they produce. In addition, this makes things better for EVERYBODY, it improves the conditions of the white race (minus the small handful of ultra-wealthy on top, but if your politics is chiefly concerned with protecting THEM of all people... I don't know what to tell you) and also improves the conditions for every other race because class politics are race-agnostic. I really just think you're failing to identify where the real problems emerge here. Migration is not itself a problem, it's the enforced conditions of neo-colonial subjugation and oppression that inevitably create crises of immigration in the first place. If you want to stop the flow of migrants, the answer is ALSO left wing class politics that challenge the global capitalist meat grinder that mulches South Americans into paste for the profits of the Coca Cola company. 'replacement' is just the consequences of colonialism coming home, you have to look further and deeper than the surface level reactionary narratives if you want to actually solve these problems. and I'm sorry, but leftists don't do succint very well lol

[@HateBear-real]

@@gg2fan Doesn't matter. Stop discriminating against Europeans when everyone else is allowed a protected status.

[@WolfTheRed]

You're not being discriminated against hahahaha

[@TheMajakatzchen]

The Odinic Rite are fucking fash

[@penhullwolf5070]

Universalist Heathen is a contradiction in terms. HAIL OUR FOLK.

[@Kaare-The-Heathen]

Screw. Your. Folk.

[@christal2641]

Phrases can be used for quite different purposes over time in academia. Language may turn over more slowly in academia which is mostly a culture if books and peer-reviewed journals rather than online.

[@shabushabu5319]

Natsoc pagans be like "vvv vvv vvvv vv/vv"

[@mayanlogos92]

13:34 - but isn't it like a conservative point? Not all conservatives are fascist...

[@WolfTheRed]

Hey you made that connection not me. Maybe... conservatives shouldn't have fascist talking points?

[@gg2fan]

When push comes to shove and liberal capitalism deteriorates into crisis... yes they absolutely are all fascist. There's really no getting around it, in times of ultimate systemic crisis where the foundations of our society fail us, politics becomes a choice between socialization or the brutal re-capitalization of society that is the fundamental underlying project of fascism. It's very obvious which direction conservatives will fall in line with when the time comes.

[@coleyyy704]

@38:40 😂 ❤

[@Dabbo_007]

Only one rhing ive come across in my year of orwctice is my veiews on lgbtq. Im not racist, or bigoted. I have no issues with gay people, bisexuals and stuff. Dont mind people who do drag and all. My issues are within the side of it being put on kids. But alot of pagwns around me are very should i say more left when it comes to this. Am i asswhole for this? Or am i just over thinkung. Because id like to join a kindred or something at some point but dont want something like that getting un the way of there kindred and all. Could you shed some light on this red?

[@WolfTheRed]

You should join my discord and I'd be glad to talk to you about this.

[@Dabbo_007]

@@WolfTheRed could you send me link by chance?

[@paganrevolutionary1269]

Vegvisir bad

[@WolfTheRed]

Wat? Vegvisir fine. Just not viking Era.

[@paganrevolutionary1269]

@@WolfTheRed its only mentioned in Christian sources, dating back to the era of romantisasion and nationalism. Litteraly the new age and fluffybunnery of those days.

[@emiliobustamante2401]

A few comments: I consider the 9 noble virtues divorced enough from its (ahistorical) origin to not take it as evidence alone that someone engaging with it might be racist Wikipedia “being pretty tame” about that one Odinist org does not surprise me. Like you have outright say “I am a neo nazi” for Wikipedia editors to deem it appropriate to label you far-right, even though it’s otherwise blindingly obvious. It’s pretty frustrating The only ppl allowed to refer to their faith as “indigenous” are the Sami people of northern Scandinavia. Anyone else is either being disingenuous or ahistorical Ive seen a lot of Jackson Crawford's videos. And I remember that in one of them (cant remember which one) he said that he didnt want people with "creepy racist agendas" to spread ideas about his field of work; but thats pretty much it. And in fairness, I have never detected anything that might point out that he was beign insincire. And as a said before, Arith can be a lot, like literally he talks so much (And and a lot of things he says are pretty fringe IMO). But am so glad hes nor a racist, or a homophobe. I actually almost thought he was because of an old video of his about "political correctness" but either he was changed or I misinterpreted because today its pretty clear where he stands

[@WolfTheRed]

I really only disagree with the 9 noble virtues thing. It was created by a racist and I'm very passionate about the Hávamál and they only server to water the Hávamál down into a pseudo Christian 10 commandments thing. Also there is a version of them that talks about blood and soil and pushes folkish ideals. Otherwise yes I agree with you.

[@jaxonv2098]

Is that Nazi as in Ashkenazi?

[@brittanyblanado1161]

Theyre really saying crap like less taxes is facist...brother wat

[@WolfTheRed]

....what?

[@NapoleonCalland]

👍 N°677 🦁 ☀️ 🐝 ⚡ 🦅 ⚡ 🐝 ☀️ 🦁

[@anniemouse111]

This is from the mind of modern melting pot types. MODERN melting pot types.

[@WolfTheRed]

This is a great example of a dogwhistle! Thanks for demonstrating my points for me!

[@RandomThoughtBox]

​@@WolfTheRedhow much does a dogwhistle I don't get it

[@WolfTheRed]

About as much as your mom does.

[@dirtyjordkin]

Welp.. I get to unsubscribe from some channels now... Why are all the most prominent sources so damn gross...

[@SlickDissident]

O.T.A.N. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO

[@WolfTheRed]

What was the point of this comment?