Why Don't F1 Cars Have Closed Cockpits?

[@ClickBoom290]

A closed cockpit, a HUD and possibly a missile targeting system for when you're in last place.

[@ronwolenski-n8wcr]

or second place on the last lap...

[@damndoor3570]

Basket full of banana peels

[@BravoTwoDelta]

What's this mario kart? 😂😂

[@demonsluger]

@@BravoTwoDelta Tbh we should have something similar to mario kart its 2021 for gods sake! =D

[@lengmoua6861]

"HE'S GOT A BLUE SHELL!!!!"

[@superferrariman]

You didn't mention Vettel reported the aeroscreen made him dizzy because the vibration was distorting his view of the track. I think that is what killed the aeroscreen back in 2015/16

[@marc7850]

Yea but i think when it works in IndyCar itll Work in f1 as well

[@ashantedula5696]

Sounds like he needs new engine mounts

[@Wafflecombo54]

@@marc7850 I agree with this statement, however F1 cars are significantly faster than Indy cars. And he mentioned the drivers feeling uncomfortable...

[@iosulas]

@@Wafflecombo54 yep, and F1 Cars go through kerbs which can cause even more vibrations

[@superferrariman]

@@ashantedula5696 or maybe a Formula 1 car is more rigid than an Indycar... and that was on new tires, so you can only imagine a flatspotted tire in that situation. Also it was the first version of the aeroscreen without the central pillar

[@rubberonasphalt]

how about 3 turtle shells that rotate around the car, that you can launch at the risk of less protection

[@Auspexel]

You are playing too many mobas

[@HungrySeal31]

@@Auspexel The original comment was a reference to the Mario Kart Series, not MOBAs.

[@davkdavk]

Love this comment. Ha ha

[@KinglyOle]

sAvE ThE tUrTlEs

[@ThaFuzzwood]

Well if we are going to introduce this, then at some time in the future no one wants to be in first place anymore ;)

[@gauntlettcf5669]

Many (myself included) disliked how they Halo looked, but we all started appreciating and loving it as soon as we saw how many fatal injuries it prevented. There are many pilots today who wouldn't be alive had it not been for the Halo, the most recent of them being Zhou. Look at how the Halo basically prevented his head from taking any serious injury after he flipped. Once he would have scraped his helmet (or even worse, his head) on the asphalt. I'll always support safety measures that keep our beloved pilots alive and well!

[@timojohn9773]

I never understood why people where mad about the looks when the safety benefits where so obvious.

[@gauntlettcf5669]

@@timojohn9773 realistically speaking, I was both. The first version used to look goofy and I didn't like it, but my brother, who is an engineer, made me understand how important it is, so I got on board with it pretty quickly. I'd rather for formula 1 to look goofy than have to cry for yet another pilot gone. So I absolutely am in support of it!

[@LRM12o8]

@@timojohn9773 guess they all just underestimated the risk of crashes where the halo was gonna be needed to prevent death. I sure did. Maybe F1 having seen no fatal crash since 2014 was just a streak of luck that undoubtedly would have ended in 2018, if the halo hadn't been introduced

[@timojohn9773]

@@SPZ909 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_fatalities#:~:text=Jules%20Bianchi%20died%20in%20July,the%201970%20Italian%20Grand%20Prix.

[@JJRDRR]

Thank you for this very obvious observation

[@AceSeptre]

I think it's awesome that the FIA and IndyCar share their data with each other. It's good for motor racing, it's good for the drivers, it's good for the teams.

[@Who-nu4ci]

I found it cool, imagine the FIA and NASCAR sharing data together XDD

[@AceSeptre]

@@Who-nu4ci Try to plug those numbers in together and the computer just explodes.

[@BLX187]

for a fee..

[@TheBloodypete]

Makes sense, as it reduces R&D fees on both sides!

[@theherk]

It's good for everybody else too. Stuff like this is why passenger vehicles are so safe compared to older versions. Motor sports is probably the biggest contributor to safety next to maybe material science.

[@Troopa87]

That fighter jet canopy took that force like a boss.

[@mistakendawg8885]

well it IS from a fighter jet, they usually fly at well over 1000mph so they gotta be quite strong

[@nigelft]

A friend of mine works in the field of 'natural impacts', which basically involves firing an especially bred chicken (so the weight is consistent within certain tolerances) through a very large air cannon (often with a 24"+ breach) at full mockups of commercial airline/private jet cockpits. People think of bird-strikes into an engine is bad, but this one time, whomever set up the window in front of the left-hand (Captain's) seat, screwed it up right royally, as the impact of the bird, traveling at the same velocity as the climb rate, smashed straight through it, through the seat, and what was left over, got firmly embedded in the rear cockpit wall, directly behind said seat, thereby essentially scrapping the entire mockup. Say friend, whom has seen some shit in his lifetime, actually got nausea, just thinking about what the hell would've happened if an actual pilot was sitting in that seat ... ... and I'm pretty sure 'words were had', as to whom exactly managed to screw up the mock-up quite so badly ... (Insert joke about the co-pilot squawking badly ...)

[@shepleonard8695]

@@nigelft Airline jets and fighter jets are totally different, on an airliner their cockpit glass/acrylic isn't is strong or robust as a fighter jets canopy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6nJiqipg76Gis0

[@vulpix9210]

@@nigelft wait so a friend of yours gets to play angry birds all day long at work, that is awesome!

[@chrisi7127]

@@vulpix9210 AHAH THX

[@TerkanTyr]

"The fighter jet canopy worked really well." "Yep." "Let's do something else than the fighter jet canopy." "Oh... Ok."

[@Aglai76]

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY

[@pilot_xoan]

Maybe it's because of the price, I don't know.

[@frikinfrogs]

Else then? 🤔

[@skaruts]

From another comment: _"Vettel reported the aeroscreen made him dizzy because the vibration was distorting his view of the track."_

[@jais-a4728]

jets don’t fly on the ground 😐

[@CM-ky5go]

The protective halo just recently saved Hamilton at Monza when he crashed with Verstappen. Verstappens tire would have crushed Hamilton’s helmet had the halo not been there.

[@EMan-hr5vf]

It more so would of fucked up Lewis’ neck than anything than actually crush the helmet.

[@glenncoetzee5906]

Max wants to crash anything & everything.

[@startingbark0356]

@@glenncoetzee5906 no Mercedes wants that

[@rojothabambino9814]

@@startingbark0356 no mclaren wants that

[@grntgj9607]

@@rojothabambino9814 no Ferrari wants that

[@terra5930]

They don´t want to make the F1 cars into a sauna because they know raikkonen will win

[@glg210]

lol best laugh i had this day :D

[@ashvins4801]

It is already a sauna in many countries

[@sigmasquadleader]

"Does this go any hotter??"

[@quarol732]

Iceman

[@e.6390]

Home advantage every race

[@hughtubecube]

Lol remember when the biggest thing we had to worry about was how a safety device looked on a race car?

[@fanzhang5568]

@Rugby Crave only took two lives to add another 20 IQs to our collective IQ

[@a2shame797]

no i dont

[@jamesxracing8111]

EJ Jung so you were born in 2020 then

[@seanthompson258]

This is absolutetly insane!!! how embarrasing is this, they let an old man who is the devil himself the. deep state it was coup de tat and no one in the US doing anything??? how embarrassing for the US, when this should be a 1st world country now we have fascism and communism in charge and its being accpeted by the people??? hello???

[@GloomGaiGar]

pretty sure that has always been the case, it either took a death or extreme serious event to shut people up

[@Corvin152]

To be honest, I started to follow F1 in 2019 so I never saw Cars without the Halo. And to be honest I think it looks kinda cool.

[@G72_Designs]

The cars looked way different from 2017-21 when they didn't have halo

[@devinAWOL]

Same the halos look cool to me , plus they save lives , what’s not to like

[@LoopInnovation]

I watch F1 since 2006, and the halo only affect the design, absolutely not the show or the pilot vision. I also like the halo design, nicely integrated.

[@KCJbomberFTW]

No

[@not_riley]

@@domdom545 i’m from Italy and watched f1 every weekend in the era of Senna and then Schumy. I never heard anyone say that indycar shouldn’t exist.

[@tropical7848]

The halo is absolutely amazing! Grojean would have gotten his head taken clean off by the barrier if not for it and Lewis in Monza would have been crushed. Saving so many lives, great addition to the cars

[@R9naldo]

F1 isn't open wheeler anymore

[@tropical7848]

@@R9naldo yes it is, the wheels are still exposed

[@R9naldo]

@@tropical7848 if you really want safety why not reduce the speed of the cars, make all circuits flat and with huge run off, eliminate Eau Rouge and implement closed cockpits. Oh but you say that ruins the appeal and F1 is meant to be fast, thrilling, on the edge and risky? Hypocrite

[@tropical7848]

@@R9naldo why go to the hassle to do all of the above you just mentioned when you can just put a bar across the top of the cockpit. You're just sounding problematic

[@R9naldo]

@@tropical7848 You're sounding hypocritical. You say making the sport safer by doing all the things I mentioned is a "hassle", but how is the halo not a hassle? Do you want safety or not?

[@Donnerwamp]

To be honest, I'd love to see a fighterjet-style canopy for F1 cars, but I'm also fine with the halo.

[@arkitect5692]

Soooo .... Indycar?

[@Donnerwamp]

@@arkitect5692 Don't they have just a screen? Or did I misunderstand this part of the video?

[@Vacaneu]

Honestly i like the Halo as it is Imo its nice looking

[@Donnerwamp]

@@Vacaneu I still don't really like the looks of it, but better this than nothing.

[@Donnerwamp]

@@Scorpio19110 Ok, then Icubderstood it correctly, thanks. :)

[@thesighbored]

You forgot to mention the introduction of windshield wipers to wipe off the bugs. Also the next move is obvious, EJECTER SEATS! 😂😂

[@gamestian2824]

Nah , they would just put a jetpack

[@blackdiamondheart9432]

@@gamestian2824 how about dark magic😂

[@gamestian2824]

@@blackdiamondheart9432 why don't they bring the whole NASA rocket?

[@blackdiamondheart9432]

@@gamestian2824 good idea

[@therealxunil2]

You laugh but it would be cool to see a driver pull the "oh shit" handle and GTFO during a crash. Unless they eject outside the seat envelope and rocket head first into the asphalt.

[@lightsout8713]

Remember the days when we thought the halo was dumb, oh how wrong we were Wow, I had no clue how much attention this would get so I should clarify, I was referring to me and others who didn’t see the practicality or need for the halo. It seemed ugly and like it would get in the way of the drivers view. However I totally understand if you liked it originally or if you still don’t like it.

[@GuzziHeroV50]

I don't want to imagine Grosjean's crash last year without it. Makes the blood run cold.

[@thescranstation2notbetter509]

I mean it still looks disgusting but it saves lives so im fine with it

[@sadmanh0]

and ppl laughing at the 'withstand weight of a london bus' comparison.

[@Wingbar]

I was always for it, just had to get used to it. Nowadays I don’t even notice it anymore, and I actually like it

[@nathant8951]

@@Wingbar yeah they were am eyesore at first, but now they are being integrated into liveries better and they don't bother me at all anymore.

[@DeepanshuThakuriamgsa2k14]

If Zhou's horrible crash in Silverstone 2022 to go by, Halo saved his life (literally), however we need to keep in mind that extraction should be easy and fast enough. In case of Zhou's accident on lap 1, it took almost 20 minutes to extract Zhou, we were lucky that there was no fire otherwise things could have turned horrible

[@brometeks3894]

They just need an ejection system really. Not like one that shoots the seat out, but one that can quickly disengage the halo/windscreen in a flash to allow the driver to extricate themselves or be extricated. Could have a handle inside as well as an exterior rescue handle.

[@VanWyn7]

2022 Halo looks really awesome and well integrated. I don't mind halo, aeroscreen or jet-style. As I read once about the halo: "The halo is not ugly, ugly is to watch how your favourite driver dies in his car".

[@gelinrefira]

It's always like this. The fans or players or the organizations will complain how a new rule is bad because it is ugly, unnecessary, reduce the sport or whatever cock and bullshit reasons they will give to refuse a regulation or rule. Then a tragedy happened and everyone is so shocked and appalled. "Why didn't we anticipate this? Why didn't we do something about this?" Yea, we will going to, but you morons make childish complaints so it was never implemented. Good job, you people played yourself. Most regulations are written in blood and lives. Be grateful that the halo is not here now because someone died to prove how moronic fan opinions usually are.

[@ObsoleteVodka]

I always wondered about this since I was a kid, but mostly thinking about aerodynamics. It made no sense to me how every single square centimeter of the vehicle takes air friction into consideration but the cockpit basically throws it all out of the window.

[@Auspexel]

All out of the window. Get it?

[@stevej9678]

helmet is the answer

[@ThaFuzzwood]

There wasn't a window to begin with, which is sort of the point. :P

[@M_H_H]

Window.

[@THEMAXIMOSMAX]

@Stellvia Hoenheim chill bro 😂

[@srikardvsn1043]

The tire bouncing off the Fighter jet canopy was one of the coolest things 🤯🤯

[@uwirl4338]

I was thinking the same thing. Like wtf, those things are FLEXIBLE?

[@Astraeus..]

@@uwirl4338 They'd be made flexible on purpose. That same design made out of a more rigid structure would probably just shatter if put to the same test. In order to maintain the same degree of protection using a rigid material, you'd need to make it much thicker. Flexible material that can deflect something and still return to/maintain it's original shape is ideal.

[@Robert99909]

​@@uwirl4338lol imagine a fighter jet going super sonic without flexible glass lol

[@azzajames7661]

Wasn't it a wheel, not just a tyre? Tyre plus a rim = a wheel🛞

[@ThaDuDeMaN1]

i think its great to see the halo and closed cockpit design being evolved side by side and sharing findings

[@swenn.4038]

That's very nice of you to include imperial and metric untis. Many KZbinrs should learn from you.

[@OlegStepanovViking]

I object. The ignorant part of youtubers who doesn't understand metric should at least learn how to google. Full disclosure: I'm Russian living in California and I've learned to do both comfortably.

[@Ricky911_]

@@OlegStepanovViking I mean, as a Brit, I can get along quite well with kmph but I do prefer mph since it's what we use when we drive. Sure, people need to know the metric system if they use the imperial ons but there's no shame in having a preference. I believe Americans/Liberians should at least know how much 100⁰C is but there's no problem if they prefer Fahrenheit overall.

[@Dante-nu5cn]

@@OlegStepanovViking why not using both

[@strangeobo12]

I thought the halo looked bad in the 2018 regs but looked like it was meant to come in with the 2019 regs with wider wings

[@KeManYT]

5:10 "Feeling like you're in a sauna" Nascar: First time?

[@rylian21]

@Marcus Hutchison It's still usually over 100F inside the car. Drivers suffer burns on the bottoms of their feet from the engine heating the firewall. The aluminum seat is bolted on right over the exhaust as well, which gets hot enough to glow red.

[@hueyrosayaga]

@@rylian21 Oh dang

[@vintageman91]

1980s rally Acropolis driver 😆

[@stuartmenziesfarrant]

How do fighter pilots cope then!? They are traveling much faster!

[@trenauldo]

Exactly what I was thinking. Those whiny babies in F1... lol. :)

[@peterboda1737]

I was a huge fan of the cockpit design when that was in discussion during the Massa incident. Hadn't considered at all about the cooling for the driver (let alone watched Indycar to know they had it). Thanks for the breakdown, I'm glad they at least have the halos.

[@melolikesbread8784]

Fun fact: brigth side is going to steal this video like how they stole the why f1 cars dont have airbags f101

[@davidhudson7400]

who?

[@halcyon7111]

@@davidhudson7400 Bright side 💡

[@Abravado]

really hate that channel

[@TrashDeviant]

Buzzfeed clone. Bleh.

[@equivalentexchange4918]

"Too ugly." Ah yes, because F1 cars are all about the looks, the functionalities aren't important

[@constantinosschinas4503]

covering the tyres would be functional too. safer, faster, eco-er. guess why they don't do it. because cars would not be sensitive to bumping eachother and the whole driving style and respect will die.

[@akinatouge9763]

@@constantinosschinas4503 Also F1 was literally born to be an open wheeled sport. If not it would merge into other race series

[@danksanchez4324]

I mean to be fair looks of the cars is like half the reason why I can watch it for more than 6 seconds if I’m being honest

[@akinatouge9763]

@@danksanchez4324 yeah true apart from that it is incrediblely boring

[@tri_ng1011]

@@akinatouge9763 yep but covering wheels w/ fenders like formula E prevent racers from crashes a lot, don't know why they didn't do that

[@Cashisgr8]

It's worth mentioning: Another aspect of the Aeroscreen is visibility. Drivers (in indycar at least) had tear-off plastic layers on their visors so that when stuff like track rubber and bug splatter clouded their vision, they could tear off a layer and see again. Now that the cars have one giant windshield, the shields themselves have tear-offs that are pulled off during every pit stop or so. It's either that or having a guy with a rag clean it off during the stop. Indycar's investigation of a cockpit protection structure began after Dan Wheldon's death in 2011. They experimented with simpler shields such as the fighter jet ones that are shown being tested by the FIA.

[@MalcomMcLeod]

They would probably just do the same thing that LMP1 do and add a wiper.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

@@MalcomMcLeod a wiper and high pressure water jet should fix the mess in the screen pretty fast

[@fabian.a.p]

I think it just going to add more weight to f1 cars

[@thespectator5259]

@Happy Katz They are switching to electric motors or do you mean batteries? Maybe both? Where did you hear this? Also, weight will still be a factor. (even more so if they really do go electric since batteries are STILL much heavier than a comparable ICE engine and it's fuel.)

[@alanserjeant4947]

They already have them in F!

[@ThisOldTechGuy]

One reason why closed canopies are resisted is tradition. The idea of open wheel racing. Racing in the wet is completely different in a closed cockpit as well. Halo is the best compromise between greatly increasing safety and preserving the spririt of F1 (in my opinion). The design will continue to improve and evolve. the '22 cars look just awesome and the racing is better than in 5 years. A New Era indeed.

[@matthewmillar3804]

I remember watching a documentary about the Hans device 15 some years ago. The experts were asked if motorsports are now safe, and they said 'drivers are much safer now than before the Hans device, but there will always be something to improve on. There will be something else of concern in the future.' I foolishly didn't believe them at the time, but I guess they were right.

[@michaelkeha]

Sure cars will always be getting safer the issue is more and more of what makes motorsport special not only is lost you are seeing fewer and fewer actual racers join and more spokesmen in jumpsuits

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Driving like flying and sailing before them will always be dangrous especly when you try to push them past their limits like going fast... Still with Dale Earnhart's death caused a massive wave in racing at least in the US as he refused to have a han's device. And that made nascar make it madtory and that has allowed his son and all his generation to retire to be commentators, youtubers and simracers...Which if people wanted safe motor sports they'll all be racing priuses at like 30 miles an hour... But I for one want to see a series hit 300 MPH one day.

[@onkouth]

It’s incredible that there was a time when cockpit safety revolved around not wearing a seat belt so you could get thrown clear in the event of a crash, ah the good old days 😳

[@MScotty90]

Don’t have to worry about cockpit safety if you’re no longer in the cockpit *points at head*

[@onkouth]

@@MScotty90 a very valid point sir! You can just hear the crash investigators say, Mercedes, you are being investigated for the death of driver in one of your cars Mercedes, yes but he wasn’t actually in our car when he died, he was in a tree Crash Investigators, oh yea, you have a point, case closed!

[@raypitts4880]

legal technical point.

[@aditya.khapre]

"So which emoji should we add in this video?" "YES."

[@cyberdemon6517]

We need a Leclerc emoji

[@andy56duky]

@@cyberdemon6517 let's include "oh no, me shoes!"

[@freackyfreac4749]

I love how they rotated a bidirectional arrow. Such effects. wow

[@EJoey2006]

When Grosjean hit the rail in Bahrain 2020, the normal gap drivers climb out of was blocked by a rail. He had to climb out of left side gap between the chassis and halo to get out. If there had been a wind screen in place, I imagine that he would’ve been stuck. :/

[@ajracing1246]

Grosjean was saying it was very hot in the car when he tested in indycar a few days ago

[@deanhirasawa1414]

I think the vent hose came loose, so his helmet was not getting any airflow - in one of the videos of his test, he came in and with an expletive he mentioned how hot it was haha!

[@ajracing1246]

@@deanhirasawa1414 yh that makes sense now thanks

[@Yautja24]

When he tested it in Bahrein he was saying the same thing.

[@mikelow4374]

@@Yautja24 he tested an indycar in Bahrain?

[@ethanmcgraw1166]

@@mikelow4374 no

[@rayferone0309]

It will be good for closed cockpit but there is always a risk for drivers to stuck in there amd harder to escape

[@tyler_bt3326]

There’s been a couple of good suggestions around that. Like a two piece canopy with a forward roll bar. The back part of the canopy would split in two and detach in case of emergency

[@tyler_bt3326]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oafInmqGa9OFipI Check this out, Ignore the rest of the car design but this canopy concept is entirely possible

[@yanickgehrig8249]

@Alan Ali 12 You saw the fire in the Grosjean incident? I dont think any fire extinguisher would've helped. Plus theres definetly more smoke, if there is a closed room around the driver. Have a nice day :)

[@umungus518]

@Alan Ali 12 a fire extinguisher wouldn't have saved grosjean, as the fire was beyond to ability of one extinguisher to put out. The smoke and fumes would also have killed grosjean in a closed cockpit, which a fire extinguisher can do nothing about.

[@luttren]

Yanick Gehrig bit the fire extinguisher they do have gave grosjean enough time to get out

[@ObviousSchism]

@5:52 "The screen can also be fitted or removed in 15 minutes..." Seems a bit slow?

[@WeicherKeks]

pretty sure he meant 15 seconds some fried chicken for sure, if it takes 15 min

[@MegaSim3]

@@WeicherKeks I sure hope so

[@ThePancakee]

“Yea mate i know its hot just give me 10 more minutes and itl be off”

[@akumpi]

Yeah i'm pretty sure you can do it a lot faster with a grinder

[@ThaFuzzwood]

I was looking for this comment and REALLY hope they meant seconds.

[@arihantbhattacharjee]

For cooling, little holes arranged on the sides of the cockpits along with a mesh screen to protect from any debris would, in my opinion, seem like a viable option.

[@LipziG3R]

A mesh and little holes at those speeds on the sides ... pressure differences and insane sounds, including high vibrations of both air and material would just be some of the side effects. It would probably be an absolutely awful option.

[@JohnKickboxing]

They just want all the F1 racers to look like gods, a god has a halo on his head. 🤣

[@swim808s]

@@JohnKickboxingOr it’s to, you know, protect them?

[@jmodyrts25]

The indycar screen weirdly looks quite sleek from side on view, but very bulky and high from front on view?

[@CoSmicGoesRacing]

@@AzathothsAlarmClock it’s not just that. The DW-12 safety cell was never designed with the aeroscreen in mind when it debuted in 2012. Essentially, the device is really a bolt-on. With the introduction of the new IndyCar in 2023 or 2024, the aeroscreen will be better integrated into the design and thus not feel like a bolt-on device it currently is on the DW-12 chassis.

[@CoSmicGoesRacing]

@@AzathothsAlarmClock I didn’t say they would narrow it. I just said that the new chassis would be designed with the aeroscreen in mind. So it would appear that the aeroscreen is really part of the car and not a bolt-on like it is currently.

[@CoSmicGoesRacing]

@@AzathothsAlarmClock they can’t please everyone. Sometimes, their logic is flawed.

[@destins2368]

F1 engineers: “Yeah we can make tiny spaceships” Also F1 engineers: “No an A/C inside the cockpit just isn’t possible”

[@joelambert7128]

they can make anything under the sun, but if it won't make the car faster, or the FIA hasn't told them they have to, it's not going in the car.

[@MagufoBoy]

if something adds weight to the car they will be against it

[@ScottCyclops]

@@MagufoBoy it is fine if everyone have to add weight to the car.

[@prodthedirtybunny]

@@ScottCyclops yea but it would make the cars a bit harder for the drivers to handle

[@seanthompson258]

and now also need to make the world a safer place too and thats getting rid of governments full stop tell em to shove there covid scam up there assess!!

[@tharushsomashekar]

POV: you know the answer.. But still going through comments to find something funny. Damn.. 1 freaking K!!!!

[@curvedbridge]

POV: But you're early so there's still no funny comments

[@muhammadfirmandhana6218]

@@curvedbridge lol

[@Release-Topic-b4d]

Most of his videos...

[@prodthedirtybunny]

POV: I don’t know the answer but I’m going through the comments while waiting for the advertisement to end

[@seanthompson258]

and now also need to make the world a safer place too and thats getting rid of governments full stop tell em to shove there covid scam up there assess!!

[@bacl4487]

The first thing I thought about with a closed cockpit style was the heat. Then I realized how difficult it could be to get out of the car. Part of why Grosjean survived his crash was because of how quickly they could get him out of the car and fire. My other thought with the Indy car style is that if anything cracks or scratches the window and impairs vision the team wouldn't be able to repair that quickly during the race. I love the halo, and I also prefer the look of it over the open cockpit style of driving. But I'm not fully sold on the windshield and definitely would not advocate for a closed cockpit.

[@the_ultra_robot6884]

Pretty sure they have tear of windscreens

[@charlieboyd4431]

they have around 5 tear offs and the screen is not glass its polycarbonite.

[@UmVtCg]

It's a wait until a helmet gets penetrated by some smaller debris that a halo will not stop. Then a halo, canopy hybrid will become the norm as it has been for a while now in the US.

[@ShadowWolfe]

Imagine having someone's life changed the following year because something was "too ugly." Safety shouldn't matter about how good or bad it looks, I wish they recognized that from the start.

[@ehiracheta]

That was terrible that people had to die to push forward a safety problem solution that was already proposed before.

[@santoyo85]

Probably an Ecclestone decision.

[@XBullitt16X]

I hate to say it, but people value looks whether you like it or not, I don't want F1 cars to look like dogshit, but I also want them to be safe as possible. For me the Halo is a good compromise, the moment these cars are no longer open cockpit they become more like LeMan's cars and less like F1.

[@michelmilaneh8963]

I still hate it the halo should be removed

[@Shyvorix]

@valleywoodworker People don't watch sports just for the sheer potential lethality, at least not since the gladiatorial arenas of the olden days. But then again, MMA fighting still exists (though deaths are more uncommon from them ironically).

[@suzalirahman5480]

When i first thought of a closed cockpit on a F1 car,i thought “oh better aerodynamics” but then i thought “oh wait fires”

[@NeoIsrafil]

Yah...fires is what id be worried about...

[@tylerissla7139]

What about an angle sensitive canopy ejector?

[@marcusborderlands6177]

jets have the same issue, but they solved it really easily, in the case of a crash, explosive bolts are fired that launch the canopy into the air, away from the driver. they already use that tech in modern airbags, they can use it in f1. its not even that heavy, just a small det charge and a battery

[@fatherofdragons5477]

With a closed canopy you can remove all the oxygen in there so there wont be any fires B)

[@ReikiMaulana]

Or they could just build an ejecting seat like jet planes lol..

[@ReikiMaulana]

*Protective halo added into race cars* People: "it looks soo dumb lmfaoo.. " *Protective halo removed* Racer: dies* People: surprised Pikachu face*

[@DeputyNordburg]

The people removed the halo devices? Damn them!

[@hamunzourmand]

Hahahahaha

[@henryviiis_craft]

Oh yes I forgot auto sport always has been about SaFeTy, not about crazy dudes get cheap fame and money by risking their lives.

[@DeputyNordburg]

@@albyalby3843 Don't tell me, tell Reiki.

[@OlfimusPrime]

@@henryviiis_craft Well 30+ years ago they didn't have the technology for safety. But hey making racing safer for the drivers surely takes all the excitement out of racing doesn't it? Your statement is absolute bullshit.

[@AlisterRobbie]

Closed cockpits came into WEC for the LMP1 cars over 10 years ago. They've had a great safety record so far, and the cars look awesome.

[@jonathanwerrell3897]

Closed cockpit for lmp1 look way better

[@J.C...]

Some drivers in nhra use cockpits on their 300+ mph nitro top fuel dragsters. Theyre made by an aviation company that does fighter jet cockpits, I believe lol

[@ThePaperKhan]

Hmm it makes me wonder what would happen should a fire happen, and disastrously you couldn't open said cockpit.

[@GeeShocker]

I still agree 100%.

[@listerofsmeg884]

15 mins for removal of the cockpit in and emergency seems a very long time. Surely you mean 15 seconds?

[@matthewgroff433]

I agree. 15 minutes would mean life or death in an emergency situation.

[@ryanespinoza7297]

In 15 minutes someone could call the fire department and they could bring the jaws of life to cut someone out. I sincerely hope a screen meant for racing can be taken off faster than that

[@j_obaymaac2886]

@@matthewgroff433 15 minutes won't be the time how long it takes to extract a driver from the cockpit... you acting like it really takes 15 minutes from IndyCars superior safety team with decades of experience 15 minutes to extract a driver from a cockpit.

[@jackoneil4164]

They have to sign the proper paperwork first.

[@roastingminer6919]

Grojeon incident should answer the question

[@TheLibermania]

And how?

[@roastingminer6919]

@@TheLibermania he would have not been able to escape anywhere as quickly

[@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens]

@@TheLibermania Not only might he not have been able to escape, but his head could have been torn off had the halo not bent the crash barrier around him.

[@metrofilmer8894]

@@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens except we are putting this in a reality where the closed cockpit is as strong or stronger than the halo. In that case the screen would bend the barrier

[@gernith]

Grosjean climbed out thru the area where a windscreen would have been. He would have been trapped with a windscreen.

[@haroldbroadsword9895]

It’s interesting that no one has mentioned ejection seats. I feel like it would make Kimi more interested...

[@1995blooper]

You haven't read enough comments. I made one comment months ago about how the canopy could block emergency egress in the event of a rollover or stacked cars. I've gotten nonstop KZbin notifications about how fighter jets have ejection seats.

[@notscar]

So if u dont die in the impact u die because u get ran over 😂

[@loljk233]

Kimi would've launched himself out of the car and parachute landed straight on to his yacht.

[@FirstDagger]

Ejection seats are even more dangerous as they compress the spine of those launched, a fighter pilot can have only 3 ejections in a lifetime before they are forced to retire from flying due to spinal compression. Not to forget that explosive charges are needed to eject the canopy. As the fighter of the canopy tested, the F-16, has an board climate control which deals with the greenhouse effect of the canopy, the solution IndyCar made looks very logical.

[@Firewolf_Daimyo]

I think that closed cockpit designs could absolutely work if they implemented something like a NACA duct that could maybe be a passthrough airflow piece that could eventually be exhausted out the back of the car? It could be implemented as a downforce device potentially as well, allowing the new safety device to be a catalyst for more innovative ways to improve car design.

[@thatmango3122]

They already came up with halo, why fix something if it isn’t broken

[@Firewolf_Daimyo]

@@thatmango3122 Innovation is one of the main driving forces of the F1. Experimenting with new ideas and coming up with creative solutions adds to this. So why not?

[@mattallerding5662]

The windscreen works if the windscreen wasn’t on last year at Iowa we possibly would’ve lost reenus veekay

[@seanthompson258]

and now also need to make the world a safer place too and thats getting rid of governments full stop tell em to shove there covid scam up there assess!!

[@Chatta-Ortega]

@@seanthompson258 Keerist, grow up.

[@Coastfog]

​@@seanthompson258 Your claims are ill informed and irrelevant. Have a nice day and stay healthy.

[@1986fritzthecat]

@@Coastfog just report him, he's just spamming the same message throughout the entire comments section

[@YourUncle8501]

Me: "thats actually a great question" Typical highish like comment: Edit: "OmG tHaNk YoU aLl FoR sO mAnY lIkEs. I hAve NeVeR hAd SuCh A pOpUlAr CoMmEnT !i!i!"

[@luciddream9423]

That is like harvard student question ..briliance

[@nemayhem]

LMAO...right?!

[@_________________________nikki]

that wasnt answered...

[@joseph6722]

OMG SAME

[@loganmarburger7494]

But the answer, was like "uhhhhh, I dunno. I think they are working on it though"

[@Zerbey]

Really interesting video, personally I don't mind either way. If it improves driver safety then go with whatever the best choice is so we can avoid having another tragedy. Glad to see IndyCar and F1 are collaborating on this.

[@valak_edits9915]

Can't lie a fighter jet canopy would look 🥶

[@Jeffgordon24everfan]

F1: the windscreen makes it too hot for the driver. They won’t get air NASCAR: hold my beer

[@BruceLee-ve6pi]

👍

[@Ramasenirama]

But F1 have more corner

[@JosephArata]

@@Ramasenirama That's a strawman statement, you can design aero tunnels to increase air pressure inside the air chamber, providing more airflow at cornering speeds. F1 is everything about aerodynamics, to say that they can't because of cornering is a farce statement.

[@e.6390]

the only time hold my beer is actually what they would say 😂

[@tesco4966]

*lolololololololololololololololololoolololololololololololololololololololol*

[@ultimatederp5069]

I remember watching F1 with my dad from a young age and watching Massa get hit by the spring live that weekend and I'm not sure the halo would have helped. It seemed to come from head on. Regardless it's good that F1 is looking to improve safety.

[@Fred_the_1996]

An aeroscreen would have saved him though

[@AlphaLeonidas]

The should have gone with closed cockpits A halo wouldn't save massa at all Still an improvement tho but not enough nor classy

[@user-tu5tm6kn6k]

They improve f1 helmet after massa incident

[@R9naldo]

Why not decrease the speed of F1, eliminate Eau Rouge, make all tracks have gigantic run off areas and have closed cockpits? Oh because it looks bad? And F1 is meant to be risky and thrilling? You people are so hypocritical

[@AHintOfWaffles]

@@R9naldo youre really commenting this everywhere, the halo is a very small addition with massive benefits while not affecting the overall sport immensly, idk why youre so offended over a clean addition.

[@J.C...]

Some NHRA drivers use canopies on their 300+ mph top fuel dragsters. They have no issues with extraction by the driver or safety crew. They can do the heat because they aren't driving for 6 hours nonstop. Usually 20-30 minutes at a time, I think.

[@verynormalman]

This is a profoundly simplistic explanation of the problem. There was a 20+ year period of no fatalities in F1, but the cars became heavier and heavier and this has been the major problem. Cars were still light and safe, remember Gerhard Berger driving directly into a barrier at 180mph, and surviving with only broken legs. It's the weight that's the problem, and the meddling in the basics of the cars is destroying the sport. Now cars are so heavy, teams are really not bringing an extra chassis to events, as they never break. Red Bull's second team wouldn't change Daniel's chassis even though there was data that it wasn't manufactured to the highest tolerances, and was therefore inconsistent when under high aero loads, but teams are so committed to their limited budgets, that a replacement chassis took many weeks to get. This is why I have list interest in F1, even though I used to have commercial contact to the "sport". Is "sport" even the correct term anymore?

[@tmaziriri]

Me in 2017: "Why would putting that ugly, inconvenient halo piece of crap even be considered? FIA is full of it." Me in 2021: "Honestly, what sort of mentally impaired person would think the halo is not the best ever FIA idea in history?"

[@netlord7179]

Me *now* - umm you in 2017.

[@mankachu100]

@@netlord7179 for safety purpose, it is best to accept the halo bro

[@serpotter]

I did a full 180 on the Halo too. Now I'm thankful it has saved lives

[@Notadragon621]

@@netlord7179 Lewis Hamilton would literally be dead right now if he hadn't had the halo to protect him at Monza.

[@netlord7179]

@@Notadragon621 ikr it was a jk bruh

[@idknils2920]

Imagine a fighter cockpit on a 2022 F1 car. That's be so cool

[@jimbrown5091]

I've been drawing open wheel cars with fighter jet bubble canopies since I was 13 or 14 (late 80's) but fire and emergency egress has always been the real world reason fully enclosed cockpits aren't practical in such cars. I think the halo is a very good compromise in terms of head safety...think back to the early Lotus days and how far we've come in driver safety. It's amazing.

[@DouglasMeloche]

what I LOVE about this whole situation... F1 and IndyCar are BOTH great!! I truly do not understand any debate as to which one is "better". They are both working together to innovate and improve the sport. That's what pure racing should be

[@andrewpienaar4522]

From my understanding Ayrton Senna would literally have walked away from his accident if he had the Indy car protection, as a piece of the suspension penetrated his helmet. I can't believe this is taking so long.

[@constantinosschinas4503]

if you want safety become a clerk.

[@crysishell9226]

@@constantinosschinas4503 if you want blood become a gladiator asshole

[@WildAustralian]

Hindsight is 20/20

[@1995blooper]

@@crysishell9226 relevance unclear; gladiators wear helmets and shields

[@1995blooper]

​@@constantinosschinas4503 If you want to be an asshole, do it somewhere else.

[@jasoncamps77]

Being a racer, an aerospace engineer, and a member of the Indy Motor Speedway Track Rescue Team, I've always been interested in this topic. Both F1 and IndyCar had the additional challenge of developing a solution that was relatively "bolt-on". A fresh new chassis design will allow for more comprehensive and elegant designs. My problem with the F1 solution is that if offers minimal protection from small debris and presents a visibility issue. Closed cockpits in motorsports is nothing new, and many of the challenges that open-wheeled series often argue over have long since been solved by other forms of racing. Even the NHRA has been using bubble canopies for years and they've been proven successful after some horrendous crashes. A true aerospace-grade bubble canopy doesn't need a halo behind it for strength, and the issue of driver egress can be addressed through simple design solutions not unlike what the military uses. In fact, a removeable bubble canopy would be better for driver removal than the fixed halo system. I've been up close and personal with the IndyCar design, and I hope I never have to get a driver out of one of those in a fire. A quick release system can be developed in the future and would greatly enhance driver egress and extraction. I've long been a proponent of a bubble canopy and I expect I will continue to be given the alternatives presented so far.

[@stclairstclair]

I'm a long time mechanic and love the phrase "Form follows function" Now teaching the drivers when to use the ejection seat is another story...

[@mr.goodcat582]

I remember when Barichello wasn’t satisfied with HANS and it pretty much saved him right away.

[@seanthompson258]

and now also need to make the world a safer place too and thats getting rid of governments full stop tell em to shove there covid scam up there assess!!

[@brigadgeneralvoid2508]

@@seanthompson258 god damn it, enough with the off topic spam

[@Coastfog]

@@brigadgeneralvoid2508 You're having fun, too, admit it. xD I think it's great entertainment when people speak with an authority that they don't convey in the least.

[@dougball328]

@@seanthompson258 So 500,000+ dead people are scam artists? Meanwhile, back at the race . . . .

[@Wheagg]

I would think that a cockpit like the jet one would improve aerodynamics, and allow the designers to take air from wherever they need to create more aerodynamic vehicles.

[@qrelectronicrepair1802]

Rip to all drivers that gave there life for the love of the sport of racing.

[@I_THE_ME]

5:16 *Räikkönen would absolutely love that!*

[@joeoski3417]

A closed cockpit with controllable air vents and intercooler vents some where to run cooling to the racers suit would work best.

[@juanp1-5]

Weight my man

[@evie_33]

I am a huge fan of Leclerc and seeing the SPA incident with Alonso, and seeing how the halo device saved his life clears every doubt I have about it. It especially strange to watch considering it's his godfathers death that spurred the idea of the Halo into motion, and because of that people like Leclerc, Grosjean and Hamilton are still alive today.

[@Demongornot]

What I don't understand is, since the idea really started because of a small debris (the spring), why did they take a design that can't stop small debris??? The Halo + canopy design is the best as it protect from both big and small objects, but the Halo alone is a disaster waiting to happen, literally the exposed pilot area is much bigger than the front area of the halo!

[@syvermalnessommerseth1292]

and as a bonus it looks sick on the indycars

[@mdk03]

2:25 if yall have never seen an f-16 canopy deflect a frozen turkey at like 200mph i highly suggest yall watch it

[@derrick031072]

I never saw a frozen turkey on any f1 circuits…

[@SirCatsal0t]

Im no expert on anything by any means, but i imagine the halo is about as intrusive as holding your finger out in front of you at half an arms length and looking past it. In all honesty the helmet seems more intrusive than that, and that says something. All for the halo, its a great safety feature and i actually really like how it looks.

[@michaelkeha]

It's more obscuring than that

[@CherryBotV2]

@@michaelkeha its about as obscuring as your nose.

[@sandwichman7004]

I love the look of the halo and I think they integrated it well

[@tobyherbert7114]

5:55 ... 15 mins? is that a typo? surely 15 seconds

[@cheoeumbuteo108]

I honestly think the halo looks fine, I really don’t know why everyone hates it

[@shazamkablam1420]

Well I hate it.

[@MegaDj550]

Mainly cause there is a bit sticking out to the center(right infront the driver) so visability is worse And when your going an avrg speed of 140mph you need all the visability you can get, your margaine of error is graetly reduced the less you see and faster you go

[@challenger516]

Still hate it.

[@jonathanh.2483]

I see a visibility issue, although it isn’t too ugly IMO.

[@hugofernandez3845]

It makes my eyes bleed

[@thomasw4222]

I think I worked out there could have been 5 deaths or injuries without the halo in 2020 Edit: Sainz - Mugello Stroll - Mugello Giovinazzi - Mugello Grosjean - Bahrain Russell - Spa Leclerc - Monza Latifi - Mugello

[@KingdomChablo]

You're just exaggerating with some of those crashes. Sainz, leclerc, stroll, latifi, Russel and antonio would have all be still fine without the halo(apart from grosjean)

[@metrofilmer8894]

@@KingdomChablo agree. Alonso had his crash in 2012 at spa without a halo which he survived

[@thomasw4222]

@@KingdomChablo I said injuries too not all deaths Giovinazzi's halo hit Latifi's side pod in Mugello and Leclerc's halo was holding up the tyre barrier at Monza and at Spa Russell's wheel hit his halo so these are the one's I thought could be deaths but the others just injuries

[@KingdomChablo]

@@thomasw4222 there still wouldn't have been any injures at all. Look at all the crashes. The drivers where all fine even without the halo

[@thomasw4222]

@@KingdomChablo yes because it's not like Giovinazzi's halo was what caused his car to bounce back off Latifi's car or Leclerc's halo was holding up tyres which would have been on him or Russell's tyre bounce off the halo infront of his head

[@mj1s735]

The full canopy would be the safest design. Fighter jets use explosives to remove the canopy in emergencies. I know in a fighter jet the only thing that makes it bearable when the canopy is closed is air conditioning. Not sure if they could figure out a way to air condition the cockpit properly and not add too much weight to the race car.

[@rickyh.5877]

I would really appreciate the design and functionality of a fighter cockpit design on f1 and indy all that would be necessary to allow for the driver to get out would be to have a horizontally split canopy. Design the canopy to either tilt out of the way like a gull door or slide. The design is already in place in fighter jets. Simply adapt it and use the existing cooling designs for the visor. This will allow the drivers to remain dry during pit-in if it is raining, and prevents any falling debris from making it into the cockpit if it happens to be incoming at just the right angle to miss the screen or halo.

[@bajajoes1]

I disagree. I feel it's safer if canopy opens backwards with the wind.

[@avinash650]

Me: "Why don't I just sleep already?"

[@gerrydrummond3287]

What about including ejector seats? That would spice things up a bit!

[@sensasigame2336]

Yeah ejected to the wall ??

[@belgianfried]

Well… normal ejection seats at zero feet would have no time to deploy anything. The pilot would just fall 80 feet down and die.

[@NatedoGP]

@@belgianfried Exactly!

[@belgianfried]

@@NatedoGP when the f-14d that plummeted into the ocean is sus! **pilot ejects, falls onto deck of uss forrestal and dies**

[@dsdy1205]

@@belgianfried actually current fighter pilot ejection seats are fully capable of bring the pilot to a safe touchdown with the aircraft parked and stationary on the runway. That's why they're called zero-zero ejection seats (zero airspeed, zero altitude). They can even save the pilot from a slightly submerged cockpit. A much bigger problem is the seat firing if the car does a Hulkenberg. EDIT: Here to add that the zero zero seats can even save the pilot from an upside down ejection, but they require about 100m of altitude, if I remember correctly.

[@NarcissisticAbuseHealing]

At 5:55 you state that the screen can be removed in 15 minutes. Surely that can't be right. Is it not maybe 15 seconds?

[@drgs38]

So the drivers can get out quickly in case of danger of any kind

[@m.sydneyvern2260]

6:27 Now thats a good looking car right there can't wait to see what the liverys will look like.

[@Cavemanner]

I only started paying attention after the introduction of the halo, so for me it has always been normal and watching older footage gives me a "those savages" impression lol.

[@MilA-eh3gf]

Hahaha me too! Only started get into it because of lockdowns. Then I watched the Schumacher documentary and kept thinking: "these cars look unsafe" although I couldn't put my finger on exactly what was different (I thought it was that the drivers didn't sit as deeply inside the car at the time). This just shows me how well-integrated it looks to someone who's never had a preconception of what F1 cars look like before. It made the lines on the cars look slick and complete from front to back, and it looked safe and snug. I like it.

[@Cavemanner]

@@MilA-eh3gf definitely! To everything you said!

[@AndreFranca99]

Two good reasons are the need to leave the car quickly in a fire and the temperature that would be considerably higher without the air to cool the pilot and the cockpit.

[@robdob]

Serious (if possibly a basic) question: If there were a cockpit design in the future, wouldn’t driving visibility deteriorate throughout the race? Drivers have visor tear offs if dirt or oil gets on their helmet. How would a cockpit screen be kept clear?

[@gantoniopatriarca9520]

The exact same way. Most closed cockpit race series use giant tear-offs on the windscreen.

[@blackwatch6649]

Somebody doesn't watch sportscar racing.

[@daniel8939]

If F1 did the full canopy or a version of the windscreen it would reduce the number of ways a driver could get out of the cockpit. I remember when Grosjean was talking about his accident, he tried getting out thru multiple holes in the halo. If he didn't have those options, his story could have ended differently. I hope F1 takes that into account.

[@x340x]

but he wouldnt be on fire in the first place, because the cockpit would be there to stop the fuel spraying on him, so he wouldnt need to get out as fast

[@windhelmguard5295]

@@x340x pretty sure it would also not be a tall order to install a fire extinguishing system that can be triggered from inside *and* outside the vehicle. i know it's not hard since many classes do require this already. it would be even quicker than needing to climb out too, just flood the cockpit with CO₂, since the drivers helmet is ventilated from the outside, he won't suffocate, and the fire retardant suit should be able to protect him from the sudden cold as well.

[@charlieboyd4431]

indycar aeroscreen is easier than the halo you just grab the top and pull yourself out.

[@CherryBotV2]

@@charlieboyd4431 iirc he didn't get out through the top, rather one of the sides

[@charlieboyd4431]

@@CherryBotV2 ?? in indycar aeroscreen your forced out the top

[@onemileperhour]

so long as my favorite drivers stay alive I'm for any design

[@marceld6061]

I expect that full closed cockpits will eventually be the norm, for safety's sake and probably aerodynamics too. It make take a few decades or only a few years with technological advances in materials and design. The drawback to the Halo is that there are still areas that open for projectiles. The obvious one for full cockpits is the cockpit ventilation issue. One is more simpler to fix and that will be the direction the manufacturers go.

[@AlphaLeonidas]

It would take way less, we have already the required technologies used in aerospace engineering

[@adamcoe]

Closed cockpits are all well and good but how does the driver get out if he flips over?

[@marceld6061]

@@adamcoe How do they get out with the halo?

[@lunsjen5139]

Tbh I think the halo is and looks great. It gives the car a more flowing look and it helps the safety massively. The cars would just look weird without them now I think

[@lucasgamezz140]

Literally the only downside of the Halos I see is in video games without the ability to make the column just a small line. Because in real life, your focal point and the ability to slight move your head makes the halo not an issue, on a screen based game, it is HORRENDOUS to have in your face. Once crashed 3 people in Assetto during a league race because I couldn't see them

[@DaniMacYo]

Let’s go with the 89 Batmobile canopy. Sliding back and forth and all. Hehe yeah boi!

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

hell yeah slide

[@seanthompson258]

and now also need to make the world a safer place too and thats getting rid of governments full stop tell em to shove there covid scam up there assess!!

[@brigadgeneralvoid2508]

@@seanthompson258 out, get out

[@Coastfog]

@@seanthompson258 LOL let's see how many threads you vomited your pointless rant (very gernerous) over, on a video that has literally nothing to do with Covid. What a fun game for an overcast saturday! :D

[@FutureF123]

Who’s gonna tell Matt that if you do 157 mph at the Indy 500 you’re gonna be pulled off the track for being too slow. Try 220 mph average lap speed

[@tonykarter8830]

The one lap average is over 220. Across the whole 500 miles last year it was 157 and some decimal MPH.

[@fintonmainz7845]

Average including pit stops and safety car periods. Actual racing average is higher.

[@gregsalter]

@@tonykarter8830 But... AVERAGE speed due to pit stops and yellow (safety) car periods is irrelevant for this discussion, yes? Both series have the cars hitting over 200 mph, and they have to protect the drivers under those speeds. The use of the average speed is the only issue I have with this excellent video.

[@michaelkeha]

Honestly a jet fight cockpit design with some reiforncment struts would be the better solution as for extracting the drive rig it like a fighter cockpit release system

[@executiveproducersolliebow5048]

When I first saw the F-1 halo I thought of the "opti-grab" from the movie "The Jerk."

[@JayHeartwing]

Me when first seeing the Halo design Now F1 cars look like flip-flops

[@Familyguy91091]

It seems more safe to have the open cockpits with the halo for extraction. What would Grojean's crash look like in a closed cockpit.

[@windhelmguard5295]

closed race cars have an extinguishing system that can be triggered by the driver OR by someone coming to help by punching in a button located on the cars exterior (usually the same place on all cars driving in that class, so the helpers don't have to look for it). since the man was conscious enough to stand after the crash, he would have been able to trigger the extinguishing system to save himself before there even was a fire ball. hell it wouldn't even be a tall order to design it in such a way that it auto triggers when the heat gets too much or a sensor experiences accelerations that indicate a crash having occurred.

[@twoalphasix4332]

Dude! What are the odds? I literally used to work on that very same fighter at 1:04 89-498 was always a good bird.

[@TheRealSkullKid]

It's easy to give ideas, but when it comes down to safety and tests, it takes years to perfect some safety ideas, not all of them are good👍

[@Fachuro]

I think with a closed cockpit design Grosjean probably wouldn't be alive today - he had to pull himself out of the car, and after that crash the closed cockpit would've obstructed him.

[@ellisewarner]

Yeah exactly

[@autotempest]

That's possible. Although it could be like seatbelts - very occasionally one will seriously injure someone, whereas someone else not wearing one will be ejected through the windshield and land in bushes a hundred meters away unhurt... In the vast majority of cases though, they're better to have.

[@michaelkeha]

Depends on how the structure is set up if it has a quick release system then he just has to pull a lever and the thing is gone and it's easier to get out how many times have you seen someone a bit rattled from a crash fail to get out the halo

[@georgewright3949]

I mean with no halo hed have been decapitated so i guess its all about finding a balance

[@Apasher17]

3:58 average indy 500 speeds are up to 220-230mph over a single lap. 157mph is the average speed over a full race distance, which includes time in the pits and time spent behind a safety car. please do not undermine how dangerous indycar crashes on ovals can be and why they went with the aeroscreen design in the first place

[@Apasher17]

@@RWoody1995 Last year's Indy 500 pole lap was 231.068mph. Indy 500 qualifying laps have always been measured by average speed throughout four laps. So your claim about 230mph only being the top speed is incorrect. Granted, this is considering the fact that the turbo boost was increased for qualifying for that year, while the 2019 pole lap was 229.992mph. So even with normal boost levels, the top speed goes well over 230mph

[@royalstygian8344]

@@RWoody1995 try 240. Qualifying speeds were above 230 avg at indy last year. Race pace is usually around mid 220's

[@RWoody1995]

@@Apasher17 hm ok i didn't know about that, i did some googling and found some places claimed the top speed was 230 but looking now more sources talk about higher speeds than that.

[@justmike-yt]

We could consider the drivers who would’ve been burned alive if they hadn’t veen extracted fast enough. Or the drivers who actually were burned alive.

[@floppycheese96]

*fire is raging after a crash* "Thank god this visor only takes 15 minutes to remove"