Why don't Nintendo just buy the Paper Mario devs? | Intelligent Systems deep dive

[@SmashFail]

A little correction (?) about INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS "still hold the copyright for Fire Emblem" (~2:41). IIRC they didn't at first; around 1996 Nintendo transferred 50% ownership of several IPs to them. This is mentioned in the Kaga lawsuit.

[@nintendoforecast]

Oh, interesting, I hadn't known this. I've pinned your comment for reference. Thank you!

[@EnigmaticGentleman]

I think Nintendo's relationship with their partner studios (Intelligent in particular) shows just how differently they conduct business compared to the other big companies. If this was Microsoft or Sony they would've acquired Intelligent and friends long ago (and made a big deal about it too)

[@INFERNO95]

If Microsoft bought them they would have shout them down.

[@Nini-wq8uh]

Keep grinding bro, you're one of the most interesting new channels out there

[@JODOROWSKY51]

So what you’re telling me is that a Wario RPG is possible since both PM and WW teams are near enough the same…

[@ravenebony2267]

They should definitely get on that then

[@mr.awesome6011]

We are overdue for Paper Wario

[@----248]

Typo in the tilte "who" instead of "why".

[@sqlexp]

Fixed, silently 😂

[@nintendoforecast]

Thank you!

[@slenderfoxx3797]

Typo in the comment "tilte" instead of "title". 😉

[@----248]

@@slenderfoxx3797 You traitor. Never explain the joke.

[@cyberrb25]

If I recall correctly, Fire Emblem Three Houses, the game was developed with a small IS team, but the brunt of the game was made with Koei Tecmo staff (I'd say that, lest I mixed with some other information, with the Gust team). Edit: No, I'm not talking about the Fire Emblem Warriors games. Those definitely have the Koei Tecmo brand, and were done by Omega Force. No, I'm talking specifically about Three Houses.

[@SmashFail]

Fire Emblem Three Houses was developed by Kou Shibusawa, not Gust. Gust has yet to work on any Nintendo property besides the Fatal Frame updated releases.

[@dinar8749]

If Intelligent Systems next Fire Emblem is like engage, then Koie Tecmo should make their own clone of fire emblem three houses. And I don't mean Three Hopes, I mean a turn based strategy rpg with awesome combat animations, good romance and amazing story and soundtrack.

[@AzureOtsu]

I think you missed the point that intelligent systems also developed hardware and dev kits for nintendo like the NTR dev kit for the DS

[@treesnip5667]

Something I want to point out is that while there hasn't been a new Syle Savvy game on Switch, the developers of that series did release Fashion Dreamer in 2023. Which seems to be a spiritual successor to the Style Savvy series. If that should count is up to you.

[@nintendoforecast]

Good point. I haven't played either but in a previous comments section some fans of both games felt they were quite different even though in the same broad category.

[@BagMonster]

Great video, I watched the original version before you put this one up. I have a suggestion to make. Since you work from a script from what I can tell, it seems like you could make captions for your videos without too much extra work on your end. I hope you consider it, I would really appreciate it!

[@nintendoforecast]

Thanks for the feedback. I thought I'd been adding them but it doesn't look like they've been showing up and it appears I need to go back in and actually publish them separately. Anyway, I think they're now uploaded for this video.

[@Yntsire]

Audio mixing is much better!

[@GameGingo]

Loving your consistent output and your very sophisticated and well informed scripts. You tackle topics that really speak to me as a lifelong Nintendo fan who ponders these questions on the regular and finds satisfaction in seeking out answers as best as possible. Keep up the great work!

[@nintendoforecast]

Thank you very much!

[@agromchung]

FYI Shouzou Kaga directed Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 in all but name, so it's really more like 4 FE games

[@wishonpleiades6288]

One thing about comparing Three Houses and Paper Mario credits to see if the teams overlap: A lot of the development staff on Three Houses came not from Nintendo or Intelligent Systems, but Koei Tecmo. I would expect Three Houses staff to not have much overlap with Intelligent System's other titles due to the KT presence. What if you compared Engage with the Warioware or paper mario? Would there be more overlap there?

[@nintendoforecast]

Very little.

[@surprisedlobsta8543]

I'm curious as to what a deep-dive on HAL LABS might look like, considering they're even closer than Intelligent Systems, through the fact Nintendo have 50% of shares in the company, and what Warp Star Inc have to do with it all

[@nintendoforecast]

I think it's Warp Star they own 50% of, not HAL itself? I agree they're an interesting one to deep dive.

[@Zack29810]

10:15 is when the title comes into play.

[@shulkash8799]

The latest Pushmo game was Pushmo World on the Wii U.

[@fernando98322]

This is the first time I've heard the famous DEER FORCE from Super Metroid is actually an Intelligent Systems dev team. Legends

[@INFERNO95]

Why no warioware characters have not appeared in mario spinoff games?

[@Zinkolo]

Honestly I'm surprised nobody bothered asking this when Alphadream went bankrupt

[@Louis_Varga]

I'm hoping we get an HD port of Codename S.T.E.A.M. for Switch.

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

As if they'll do that.

[@napoleonfeanor]

I liked it despite making Lincoln a hero

[@EWOODJ]

That’ll do, Napoleon.

[@napoleonfeanor]

@@EWOODJ have a look at the guy's true history. He was a tyrant in the North, arresting supreme court judges, gunning down protests, having been a co author of an ammendment making slavery permanent, friend of centralist government, corrupt railroad lawyer. He called the emancipation proclamation a war measure to be reversed later (yes, union slave states like NJ didn't free their slaves). It's good that he was erm... "recalled". Actual abolitionists could then end slavery. However, out of principle, I believe in secession. If Bavaria in Germany, Britanny in France or Scotland in the UK want to, I am for a democratic vote. If Texas or California wanted in America, yes please.

[@clemente3]

May I provide a piece of feedback? Could you please include the text quote on screen as you're reciting the quote? It adds authenticity and also makes it easier to follow when the quote is over and you're back to using your own words. I enjoy your videos otherwise :)

[@nintendoforecast]

Good shout. I generally try to do this but sometimes if it's quite text heavy I won't. Will watch out for that. Appreciate the feedback.

[@----248]

Great job. Here are some subjects that interests me that maybe you'll find worthy of investigating. -WTF have been retro studio doing for the last 10 years. -What made nintendo switch from familly-only games to more dark theme and aesthetic in the last 10 years. -What will change at nintendo once miyamoto retires. -Why Nintendo didn't buy Rare back in the snes/n64 era.

[@hansgretl1787]

What do you mean with "Darker themes and aesthetics in the last 10 years"? I didn't notice any such shift.

[@nintendoforecast]

Thanks! Not sure about the dark aesthetic - surely Eternal Darkness, Project Zero and ZombiU are darker than anything recently? Did you have something specific in mind? Really interesting concepts all the same- I'll add them to my list!

[@----248]

@@nintendoforecast Yeah i wasn't very clear. In my head i remember how nintendo was close to cancel mario striker wii because the devs were showing an angry side of nintendo's characters and how miyamoto was totally angainst it. Also how majora's mask was really strange and unique for the nintendo universe. But more and more nintendo games seems to embrace the dark side fully like with bowser fury, the splatoon universe, the latest zelda botw & totk ... I don't know maybe it's just me but i feel that the new generation of developper at nintendo are really shaking things up in the last ten years. Like on one side the old devs with their happy friendly approach and the younger devs with a more edgy dark approach. There is also this feeling that nintendo's game are growing with me as i'm now getting closer to 40 yo, the themes i'm interested now seems to align with the new generation of games.

[@wils35]

I want Super Paper Mario on the switch.

[@smcclure3545]

Great vid again 👌 Could you deepdive into Ninty's stock profile? it seems like the last 10 years has seen a major shift in the correlation curves, and it's not easy to see how much of it is due to diversification or external forces like the yen. right now it's in a backslide, and though i think it's largely artificial/temporary, it would be nice to gain an understanding of the stock spirit in your analytical terms 😊

[@nintendoforecast]

Very interesting idea. It might be a while as there's quite a lot to consider here but I'll definitely look into this.

[@smcclure3545]

@nintendoforecast I could see why it would, but would love it. There's one thing for sure: Ninty's stock used to be primarily correlated with hardware, but I think that's changed. it's gone from being spikey to being bulbous, and that looks like an elevated noise floor from a signals analysis perspective. Not saying it's no longer hardware correlated, just less so. to me, it's another poignant example of the company's soul taking on a new dynamic, and could be good predictive data for the next 10 years. maybe that helps in triaging your content priority list 👍

[@tonyroth1111]

IT'S BACK!!! I WAS HALFWAY THROUGH THIS IS EPIC!!!

[@DannyMexen9]

Well done! Great job!

[@cherubin7th]

IMO Kabushiki mochiai (cross shareholding) is much better than buying up the corporations and turn them into slaves.

[@ausgod538]

Make a hal laboratory video next, those two are their most important partners

[@Glitchyy07]

True, another thing I want to know is how HAL is able to pump out so many Kirby games in such a short about of time, though that might be because Kirby is their main series and they don’t really have another major series

[@BananaR777]

What I love about HAL is that they got thier properties straight, 2 of the best game devs came from it, there not lazy nor greedy and they don't treat there customers like a number/assit.

[@nintendoforecast]

Next one of these is EPD 9, the Mario Kart team which is done and will be out sometime next week. I will get to Hal but it'll be a few weeks at least.

[@geschnitztekiste4111]

I want another Rhythm Heaven

[@EricKlein]

you derped a word in the title. leave it for more engagement and riches.

[@Limomon]

What about Rhythm Heaven? It seems like there is a lot of overlap with the WarioWare franchise, no?

[@ausgod538]

Rhythm heaven never has been developed by is

[@BobRod-mi8rq]

No wonder why there's so many Fire Emblem characters in super smash bros Because of their good relationships 😯🙂

[@Wario1382]

Fire Emblem characters are mostly semi clones though

[@rosheafan]

​@@Wario1382 Marth, Ike, Robin, Corrin, and Byleth are all completely unique. I think Roy is also differentiated enough now to count him as separate, too.

[@eusoueu9230]

I think that's a typo in the video title. Didn't you meant to say Why instead of Who?

[@CooldownCentral]

did u mean Why?

[@Str8UpEnt]

That’s the only reason I clicked on this video! 😂😂😂 I kept reading it different ways that kinda almost makes sense but it just doesn’t! Lol

[@chunkymonkey7983]

I don't think that would make sense grammatically either.

[@nintendoforecast]

Sorry! I had to re-up it first thing and typo'd the title. Thanks for the catch!

[@M567dk]

The same thing why Nintendo didn’t save Mario and Luigi’s developers when they closed down.

[@Rihcterwilker]

They bought brownie brown and turned them into a mario-only studio. I'd rather they keep separated.

[@prismason]

i still hope for the day intelligent systems decides to move on from nintendo and become their own game dev and releases their games on pc even though that'll never happen still way more plausible than nintendo ever doing it though. they keep everything they own wrapped around their fingers and scoff at the idea of releasing games on other platforms or even allowing characters to be physically visible unless you pay for their weak outdated breaks-from-a-drop console i'd never consider myself a fan of them, only intelligent systems as paper mario and metroid are their only ips i care about (fire emblem too if that's not owned by IS, which i thought it was). the only thing i could ever respect them for is apparently having a really great workplace, and they make sure studios they own (aside from retro i guess) also treat their employees well, which is really good considering japan's crunch culture. i don't take my hatred of nintendo that seriously to the point where i'd wish people be hurt or fired, but i loathe just about every decision they make, and i wish such a large company being the face of gaming showed real competency outside of sales

[@PikaPhantomVG]

Brownie Brown was apparently always owned by Nintendo - or at the very least, they were one for quite some time prior to being turned into 1-UP Studio

[@Rihcterwilker]

@@PikaPhantomVG not really. They were former squaresoft developers, most were involved with the Mana series (3 and legend) before being BB, and they formed their own studio to develop rpgs outside of final fantasy. They had a close work relationship, developing for N handhelds, but were not owned by N.

[@-_soy_-888]

Did he just delete and reupload w/ a new title?

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

He had audio mixing issues that made it hard to hear him over the music.

[@nintendoforecast]

Several people said the audio was too loud. At the same time, I used one of my alt thumbnails for it (I'm not really that happy with either).

[@nesterpowers8814]

Nintendo isn't buying Intelligent systems because they are going to buy square enix....BET My only hope in this scheme is that squenix was looking for sony to acquire them during the Activision purchase but sony shut down the agreement fearing it wouldn't look good during the court case. Just remember originally square might not have wanted to put final fantasy on the PS, they made a demo for the n64 but square couldn't deny the advantages of the compact disc

[@ericp631]

They wouldn't do that. It's just not how Nintendo operates. There's nothing in it for them. And square enix isn't looking to sell themselves off to anyone.

[@kurikuraconkuritas]

cause japanese business is done differently. playstation doesn't count cause their HQ is in California

[@napoleonfeanor]

If it isn't broken, don't fix it.

[@Wario1382]

In a way the badge system kind of was broken if I can easily heal FP non stop and just spam the same move over and over.

[@napoleonfeanor]

@@Wario1382 I was referring to Nintendo's relationship with those companies. You apparently mean a game.

[@stevend2377]

Next level games wasn't broken and they still got bought out.

[@alphamarigi]

I thought they bought them 30 years ago.

[@rcmadiax]

When I developed 3DS games - most of my development hardware was labeled “Intelligent Systems”. So they have made tools as of very recently. Can’t comment on Switch hardware kits.

[@unsac3868]

For the title, it's "Why" not "Who".🤓☝️

[@work_days8745]

Who don't... Do you mean Why don't?

[@BohemianRaichu]

who don't?

[@MD-se8ft]

Fix the title

[@stevend2377]

Weak take. Nintendo didn't have to buy Next Level Games but they still did. Why they haven't bought out this company is def a mystery.

[@PikaPhantomVG]

Next Level's leadership wanted to sell, allegedly, and Nintendo wasn't going to let them go to anyone else - they were already in an exclusive partnership with Nintendo, working on Battle League, and had just produced a major hit with Luigi's Mansion 3.

[@nicolassanchez3047]

And yet, after all that history, Nintendo didn't trust ID enough with Paper Mario and made the dumb rule to not create individual characters, only generic toads to "protect" the IP🙄🙄🙄

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

That wasn't instilled by Nintendo. That was a rule that Tanabe went by due to a major misunderstanding from Miyamoto to make characters "more Mario-like."

[@pedrobeckup456]

I am playing Super Paper Mario and... The characters are too weird to a Mario game. But The others 2's characters where perfect, even the new races

[@napoleonfeanor]

​@@pedrobeckup456SPM was great

[@pedrobeckup456]

@@napoleonfeanor I am still playing so I don't have a formed opnion, I will come back when I finish and say what I think! But untill now, I am liking the gameplay, it is innovate