Why Don't Yu-Gi-Oh! Characters Read?!?!?

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[@jamesturner6979]

One of the funniest moments of the franchise is when Yuri decides to defeat Alexis with her old deck, but when the duel starts he's taking forever to make a move so when Alexis complains, Yuri's response is basically "hang on, I need to read what all these cards do first!" 🤣

[@tyking33]

Yeah I loosely remember this

[@supersonicheroes]

Yeah, but it turned out he was just screwing with her because he had already familiarized himself with the deck and modified it slightly.

[@alicepbg2042]

@@supersonicheroes that was the cherry on top. yuri was so much fun

[@reinaemiya]

@@supersonicheroes say what you want, but that's one hell of a strategy.

[@morningstar5535]

Lmao I need to see that

[@ravenfal1496]

Having played duel links, the number of times players don’t read their opponents’ cards makes the anime seem realistic.

[@r3zaful]

So basically regular yugioh

[@sonichero7]

I lost the other day in Master Duel because I didn't read my OWN card. Worst part is I would've had game if I had too.

[@emperoriron2531]

That reminds me of a time a Salamangreat player used Salamangreat roar on themself

[@gaintslash366]

As a guy who used to use that monster that makes me take all battle damage related to one card I say it is

[@user-lg5xu6id5j]

As a golden castle player can confirm

[@ghost_rain1996]

There's a joke in gx dub season 1 where Jaden duels a guy in a submarine and activated a effect and when his opponent was shocked as to how jaden knew the effect he says " I read the card " 😂

[@Medbread]

Close, but Jaden actually uses his own monster's effect, and the opponent, for some reason, asks Jaden how he knows how to use his own card's effect, which Jaden replies "I read the card."

[@Envy_May]

reading the card explains the card ?

[@yamiali1783]

@@Envy_May yeah crazy stuff

[@TenmaBackup]

@@Envy_May wait you're allowed to read your card?

[@wait_in_gold_ON_SPOTIFY]

The GX dub is golden

[@Yojimbo16]

What makes Yuya reading his opponent's card even funnier is that in the episode RIGHT before it had a tag duel between Allen and Saya against the Tyler Sisters that went like this: Allen: "I attack Amazoness Liger with Heavy Armored Train Ironwolf!" Grace: "I activate a trap to summon Amazoness Swords Woman and change your attack target to it." Allen: "Sweet, I activate Limiter Removal to double Ironwolf's attack!" Grace: "BTW you take any damage from battle against Swords Woman." Allen: "NANI?!" Also, thanks for the shout-out.

[@crocky6996]

Can't Ironwolf attack directly, though?

[@Yojimbo16]

​@@crocky6996 No because if Pet Liger wasn't the target of an attack, it can negate it so he had to attack it if he wanted an unnegated attack.

[@ryantaylor8398]

By the time a Yugioh character would read the effects of a modern extender, it would have already used the effect, been linked away, brought back, linked away again, and created a new boss monster with a mountain of text behind it

[@zexalbrony4799]

Pretty much.

[@Janny890]

Imagine being a normal player in the Yugioh universe trying to have fun with your favorite card game and you get an opponent that’s an evil spirit from 5,000 years ago out for revenge.

[@tyking33]

Hey that just means they're about to take 5,000 years worth of L's

[@r3zaful]

I will normal summon aluber Effect?

[@a.a.6203]

Déjà vu Lol

[@reinaemiya]

All I would say in that situation is: I summon slifer the executive producer.

[@gobokoboobo4620]

So pretty much ranked in Master Duel?

[@shroudedinmyth8229]

From a storytelling point of view, them figuring out the hard way works better narratively because it follows the "show, don't tell" form of exposition. If they didn't play into the effects because they were aware of it, we would probably never know about it except by then outright stating it

[@lucinae8510]

Since most of the time the villains use cards never seen before, the protaganists and we the audience just have to take their word that they know what their talking about and can delivery the information in a dramatic way. We all know what Pot of Greed does, yet they always have to explain it because its just so good to hear!

[@nosupper94]

This is why I don't read yugioh and I just throw out whatever I have lol

[@crosstrigger1]

One of the good changes I think that anime dub made is that the cards have no text, which shows that neither character can see what the effects are unless they have familiarized themselves with the cards first-hand. This even has roots in the ancient Egyptian shadow duels, where the monster spirits didn't have their effects known until after they had used them, as seen when Thief King Bakura surprised Atem with Diabound's secret ability to gain attack of monsters it fought from previous battles.

[@the24thcolossusjustchillin39]

Holy shit, it all makes sense now.

[@ericbambach3222]

4Kids used their powers of invisibility for good?! (For anyone not familiar, there were characters that were very clearly extending their hands in the manner one would if holding a gun in one's hand. It was memetic in "the abridged series.")

[@kyokoandiemacht]

Well I would say this is then a nice sideeffect. But the reason why the cards in the anime look different than the real cards is otherwise it would be count as a commercial. There is a limit how long a commercial can be on Tv. An Episode of Yu- gi-oh would be too long, if it would be count as a commercial. So a full Episode could not be on Tv, but because they modefied the Design it doesnt represent the real product you can actually buy . Therefore it is no longer a commercial. I know it still promotes the real card game, but this is from the law perspective then fine. And I think there is also a nice side effect for the editors, because they dont have to translate the text on every card. So they can work quicker.

[@darkdruidsvale]

@@kyokoandiemacht feel like I heard the legal reason before, but it’s interesting to hear it again

[@alex_zetsu]

My headcannon before ARC-V was that you only needed to explain an effect to your opponent when it was relevant, like a battle immune monster being attacked you'd let them know as opposed to when you summoned it. A duelist would be better if he memorized all 11986 cards of the game since he'd know his opponent's cards once they hit the field. It also raises the skill ceiling of the Duel Monsters

[@NoirEmperor18]

They are clearly reflecting their player base. Good job Yu-Gi-Oh for showing how your fans are playing the game. Progressive.

[@sul_9999]

Deadass have you read old relinquished?

[@silverbolt9439]

Reading hard. :(

[@chaserseven2886]

Yugioh players continue showing they have no original joke and only have just the one

[@IrrelevantOaf]

The average Blue-eyes/Numeron player in a nutshell tbh.

[@sul_9999]

@@chaserseven2886 i mean we would have more memes if konami would release the episodic lore anime already

[@matthewpopow6647]

Opponent: I activated my spell card! Protag: What does it do. Opponent: Wouldn't you like to know... Protag: (raises hand) Judge (Edit: corrected spelling but leaving evidence)

[@insertusername9755]

(it was pot of greed, while it was legal)

[@elcato8126]

*like to know

[@shamluis2125]

Now that i think the only time a judge is mentioned is when yuya uses pendulum the first time

[@tyquil825]

Line to know

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

@@insertusername9755 But what does pot of greed do?

[@jameswhite2308]

In the original series, I always took it as you didn't have to reveal an effect unless the effect is being used/activated. It keeps the element of surprise for duelists, but minimizes the shenanigans. So in the Parasite Queen example, after the effect was activated, what had happened needed to be explained, but only when the effect went off.

[@LucyKosaki]

For most situations that would make sense. Although there are some situations where they kept that element of mystery over the course of multiple turns, like when Mako Tsunami used Umis effect to hide his summoned monsters underwater and when the monsters attacked, he never had to explain which monster attacked nor that it was even a monster and not an effect, that dealt the damage. He kept it hidden until his opponent found out that he hides them underwater and Umi needs to be played around in order for the monsters to be attackable.

[@MrMariosonicman]

@@LucyKosaki to be fair that was duelist kingdom shinanigans. where everything is made up and if you make it sound believeable. its true.

[@pn2294]

@@MrMariosonicman people always say this but it’s not true

[@yuisure6755]

Duelist Kingdom manga was written before the card game existed, so it's right because they really did have a real life card game then.@@MrMariosonicman

[@mdynthr173]

Imagine how long an episode would take if in every single duel on Yu-Gi-Oh anime, each character asks 'what does this card do', 'what does that do' on EVERY play by their opponent.

[@eliascsjunior]

Yeah, but they should play it like they already know, so the plot would avoid misplays and tacky reactions

[@TheAnthonyMarlowe]

@@eliascsjunior no

[@BlackXIV]

You mean... like they do it with pot of greed? They explain every single time that they can draw 2 cards.. XD

[@mdynthr173]

@@BlackXIV Exactly. Or when Yugi summons Celtic Guardian for example, and then the opponent asks "what's that card's effect?" And Yugi answers "oh it is just a normal monster with no effect". That normal summon scene alone would take at least 10 seconds. Then imagine if it's one of Reiji's (Declan) duel.

[@FrenkTheJoy]

Battle City duels would be like 3 times as long.

[@psychonormal91]

The GX manga actually has a card reader on the Duel Disks, as it's the giant orb on the Duel Disk that lets them check cards and read effects. Bastion and Alexis use this function during their tag duel against Jesse and Adrian. Jaden and Chazz also try using it against Tragoedia's ace monster, but it intentionally obscures the effects of its ace monster, saying it won't be as fun if they knew what it could do, meaning even in GX they could read card effects. I don't remember this ever coming up in the GX anime, so I assume it's a manga exclusive thing. As for 5D's and ZEXAL, I don't remember them ever using any sort of card reader function, but it would make sense. In 5D's, during Riding Duels, they are shown to have computer terminals on their D-Wheels, so it makes sense that they would have some sort of card reading functionality. I can understand them not reading in regular standing duels since they don't have access to a computer, but not in Riding Duels given those computers seem to be the norm for D-Wheels. As for ZEXAL, they all wear scouters, so I assume they would also have some sort of card reading function.

[@ThermiteKitty]

It doesn't come up as often as it should, but VRAINS once brings up a little VR screen to read his opponents monster effect, and the show mostly relegates secret effects to the GY where the opponent might reasonably forget about them/not check.

[@mr.e7806]

I feel like the reason for not reading in 5Ds is a bit similar to Arc-V in that for riding duels while they could check they also need to focus on driving and Dueling with driving allowing them to also avoid monster attacks to buy more time. Plus looking away from the road their driving on could lead to a bad crash leading to disqualification. As for Zexal I don't really have one so that's a plot hole that kind hard to not see when you really think about it.

[@ThatOneWeirdFlex]

Ol dragon ball protagonist lookin ahh

[@willnack5315]

I think the reason why Yuma doesn’t read opposing effects is simple, he’s an idiot and probably doesn’t realize he can check the effects of cards on the field!

[@just_a_tepig3611]

This may be dub only. In one episode of season 1, some dude in a submarine wants to take jaden away or something. During the duel, their was a gag of the enemy not understanding how jaden played around his card, to which jaden replied he just read the card.

[@KaitlynFedrick]

An alternative solution for ARC-V is that you can read people's cards from your duel disk, but only after they've revealed it. So you can double check wording if you've been told, but can't just read to learn from nothing

[@SpecsTube]

For Zexal, closest example I can think of is in episode 2. Yuma has a set card but forgot what it is so he uses his d-pad to check and Astral reads it’s the trap “bye bye damage”. In 5ds, in the WRGP, it’s shown especially on jacks duel runner against lester, he can see his opponents field and all face up cards

[@michaelcondon5823]

and don't forget with those duel disk both side of the field are always reveal in zexal

[@yugid4755]

Also in the WRGP, multiple times, team 5ds has the pit crew try to find cards the opponents used; often they couldn't find the mysterious/super rare/etc villain's card, but this would imply that they have the pit crew to look up cards the opponents use for the current runner and would be able to look at the cards.

[@dennisdabels9347]

watched the zexel episode but looks more like Yuma remebers that he had it set and astral wanted to activate Utopias effect

[@SpecsTube]

@@dennisdabels9347 earlier before he summoned Utopia he checked his set card

[@toumabyakuya]

@@yugid4755 Yup, a good example is against Team Taiyo, when Yusei discovers that their entire strategy is to summon Zushin and warns Crow about it.

[@AzureDragon158]

Imagine if, during her duel with Marik, Mai had just demanded that he provide a translation of the Winged Dragon of Ra's summoning chant and then proceeded to beat him with it.

[@S_047]

Ha let's see Blondie correctly speak the heretic chant

[@justinnesbit3948]

@@S_047 Yep, in the original manga and Japanese anime you literally had to read the effect out in hieratic speech.

[@bhumibolrushing7830]

You can't expect these characters to do something smart..I mean Joey and tea will literally attack monster that have higher attack points then theirs.

[@S_047]

@@bhumibolrushing7830 jonouchi IS a third rate duelist , and Anzu is more or less a complete noob that only knows how to play by watching others (one being the 3rd rate duelist)

[@Kerim9991]

@@S_047 yet she has a better win rate than them all. curious...

[@Kingshit69]

The main example that confuses me was when Jaiden dueled Astor with the Neo Spacians for the 1st time and he didnt know his Aqua Neos would return to the deck

[@AsterDXZ]

Jaden the textbook definition of yugioh players not reading. Dude built a deck, didn't read a single card and played against a pro duelist.

[@aeroblitzt9561]

@@AsterDXZ a true giga chad

[@TheKabuto90]

This is a big case of it really just coming down to the fact that it's a show and it would be much less exciting if card effects and such were always known at all times.

[@ghosthuntermike2592]

"To the grave?"

[@Lobomaru02]

*laughs* Oh yeah! That was a "fuck me!" moment!

[@LocalMaple]

In the action and riding duel format, timing is important. Duels happen in real time, meaning you don’t necessarily have time to review opponent’s cards. The real question is why Riding Duelists don’t try to dodge opposing cards for longer.

[@dancostello4872]

For real, the only time I can think of where someone actively intends to dodge attacks during a Riding Duel was when Crow challenged Bommer to turn off autopilot; he watched Yusei's first match with Kiryu & wanted the ability to dodge if Bommer also brought out an Earthbound Immortal.

[@Snowmon89]

They always could have done it (though it depends on exactly what autopilot does), however, they still take damage regardless of if they're physically hit by the monsters. It's just better if they don't, like with Crow's Duel with Boomer

[@cholodelrosari0543]

That explains why in master duel and duel links have timer in every PvP

[@lach10211]

Another topic could be how much would an anime deck cost. It's hinted that most cards are 1 of a kinds. Kaiba is insanely wealthy and the fact that he has 3 blue eyes is still unbelievable.

[@chaos4654]

This rarity would actually play into why in the earlier series that card effects might be massive unknowns to a lot of Players.

[@LucyKosaki]

I don't think it's "most of them", the majority is still sold by card packs with there being rare pulls like red eyes or dark magician.

[@pn2294]

@@LucyKosakinah it was established that Yugi is the only one with Dark Magician

[@theseeker7692]

​@@pn2294 Laughs in Arkana

[@pn2294]

@@theseeker7692 his was counterfeit and illegally cut

[@standpire]

I always thought the rule in the anime was “You don’t have to tell your opponent the effect of your card until after it’s effect activates”

[@JaimeD.]

I remember Yami Yugi drawing the spell card *Fiend Sanctuary* and placed it face down without looking at it. In the dub he and Seto Kaiba were the only ones to know, while in the original Japanese there was a scene where the proctor called it an illegal move until Kaiba allowed it.

[@proclarushtaonasat]

In the manga, the duel disk didnt have slots for spells and traps, only the five monster card zones on top, that doubled as spell and trap zones. when yugi played fiend sanctuary face down, without looking at it. the proctor protested, cause he can only play it that way, if its a spell or trap, if it was a monster, that would be illegal, since even in the manga, face down attack position didnt exist.

[@aceclover758]

Face down att position never existed The manga stopped using face down defense position after season 1

[@proclarushtaonasat]

@@aceclover758 yes, facedown atk never existed, but with the manga-duel disk having only one row of zones, set spell and trap cards were placed the same way, a facedown atk position monster would have been (if they existed), which is why the judge protested, that you need to verify the type of card before placing it down.

[@ThatOneWeirdFlex]

​@@aceclover758not true. A single spell from early yugioh simply flipped the card upside down. It does not say face-down defense.

[@DolphyBlueDrake]

@@ThatOneWeirdFlex Exactly. "Darkness Approaches". It cost 2 discards, and when Links came out, they changed the text so it did face-down defense just so it couldn't flip Links face-down.

[@chuillonalardfrancois942]

In the GX manga, there IS a 2 VS 2 duel involving Bastian and Alexy, they used their Duel Disk to check each other's cards to do their combos

[@mrummgoat53]

There's also a moment in the manga where Jaden tries to read what sun does and the duel disk wouldn't say

[@logicaltips4107]

@@mrummgoat53 that was chazz, but yes, that did happen

[@chuillonalardfrancois942]

@@logicaltips4107 oh my Bad, thank you for thé correction

[@kyuubinaruto17]

@@chuillonalardfrancois942 Actually, you were right. It was Jaden. I was sure it was him so I just got out my manga to double-check in case I was remembering it wrong.

[@DuskoftheTwilight]

I think the most interesting case of characters having knowledge of a card is Golden Castle of Stromberg, where we get input from the peanut gallery about what the effects are supposed to be, but the card was hacked to have additional effects that get revealed more dramatically

[@murpheus7464]

I think Action Duels might be a bit of a special case specifically because they're spectator sports. And reading what your opponent's cards do can slow down or detract from the match. Additionally I believe there's a time limit in place so between following what your opponent's doing, hunting for Action cards, etc. There isn't an abundance of time to read everything when your opponent is likely to explain anything unexpected for the spectators.

[@ulmwilliams57]

The closest we get to this in the anime is when Yugi is facing Duke in Dungeon Dice Monsters and they keep cutting back to Yugi reading through the tutorial display to figure out how to play the game and how certain dice monsters work

[@dancostello4872]

This is why he's the King of Games lmao, he _actually_ used the help screen available because he didn't know DDM well enough.

[@DarkSymphony777]

also helped that it was a game that was literally being created in-universe. so yami had to learn on the fly

[@dragongamerx12]

in the manga that was the duel for the Millenium puzzle and it was regular yugi vs duke and not the pharoh

[@mackenziegesler8254]

If I had to guess I'd say that you only have to reveal card effects when the effect is used so Yuya was able to check that cards effect only because the effect was being used to make him choose between normal or special summoning that turn but a monster that cannot be destroyed by battle does not reveal that until it would be destroyed

[@proclarushtaonasat]

i think, he can check face up cards on the field and in the graves but parasite queen was protected by outside effects, he didnt think to check for.

[@dancostello4872]

I don't think the effect would apply in the 'make you choose' sense but instead be passive; once you Normal Summon you're locked out of Special Summoning for the turn, and vice versa.

[@supervegito2277]

Thats what i was thinking. Once the effect activates, THEN it becomes public knowledge

[@EthanKironus8067]

@@supervegito2277 Exactly! Either that or the opponent reveals it themselves! It drives me crazy how people accuse this of demonstrating that the characters are making stupid mistakes all the time, sometimes that's the case but they don't seem to consider that the series was never using realistic standards to begin with.

[@Amsel_616]

Okay but you still take the damage

[@TheVanishedMan1]

On the specific question of "if card effects aren't public knowledge, why wouldn't you just let your opponent keep making the same mistake?" what makes sense to me is that a card's effect has to be revealed when it is triggered. So if I have a monster that can, say, only be destroyed by battle, and you play Dark Hole, then I can't just leave the monster on the field, I have to reveal that it has the effect that makes your card not work.

[@FentonHardyFan]

Yeah, this explains nearly all duels shown in every Yu-Gi-Oh series, and is quite straightforward. It surprises me the video didn’t come to the same conclusion.

[@Burnpsy]

I don't have the episode number, but in 5D's when Yusei summons Majestic Star Dragon against the Nordic duelists, Yusei's opponent somehow knows the entire effect of Majestic Star Dragon. This is despite them being clear when it's summoned that they didn't know the card existed.

[@JaimeD.]

Yes. Good Lord, that felt strange.

[@SuperNickid]

@Burnpsy: The other hero team ranarock, since it was during the tournament, the camera points at the announcer so we see the announcer of the tournament talking and while that is happening the hero with the Nordic deck check Majestic star dragon effect.

[@Maayan6351]

I actually love how in VRAINS when characters do the usual explanation of a monster's effects, the card actually pops up on their opponent's dual disc, happend a few times during the show. This is exactly how you implement modern Yu-Gi-Oh gameplay to the show.

[@thenobody7509]

I think the only reason yuya could check against the sister is because the effect was already active. Basically, he could only double check to see if the card actually did that. Which, explains why he doesn't read his oppents monster effects because he can't until it goes off.

[@jessecnockaert9489]

Way back in the first Yu-Gi-Oh! series, it seemed at times that the cards simply didn't have any rules text at all. In Shining Friendship (S1E25) Tea duels with Mai, and at one point Tea draws her Waboku trap card, but laments to herself that she doesn't remember what it does. Finally, she is able to remember, and she plays it successfully to protect her Shining Friendship card during a battle. Apparently, she couldn't just read the rules text on her own card.

[@naodnaod7591]

To be fair, Waboku had some confusing card text in the beginning

[@Pikatwig16]

At least in the dub, there wasn't any card text, so that's at least something of an excuse.

[@TrevorAllenMD]

So really Dzeeff is just trying to role play and embrace the anime when he refuses to read cards. Honestly a very chad / respectable move. Absolute inspiration.

[@ThatOneWeirdFlex]

Nah. He's just an Altergeist player

[@beenthroughnam3747]

Him and Gage

[@yusharider]

Reminds me of a time in the vanguard anime where a character just checked what was in his opponent's discard before continuing the game.

[@epicnessoflegends]

Imma go ahead and guess that was a fight against someone that plays granblue

[@zaquhe]

@Epicness of Legends nope it was Shion vs Shoma at the end of stride gate(?) Shion was counting cards to see how many triggers Shoma had left.

[@logicaltips4107]

Is the vanguard anime any good

[@yusharider]

@logicaltips4107 It really depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for something in the realm of sports/action anime, there's probably better options. If you're looking for something like the yugioh anime, you'll probably feel pretty at home.

[@oxcare5]

@@logicaltips4107 depends. You want something like yugioh, original, G or first reboot are all great options. You want great characters interacting with each other with some card games on the side, overDress is a good option. (The characters actually buy cases of cards and use sleeves)

[@pn2294]

Why would they need a school for dueling if they can just read card text?

[@christians8821]

Have you seen how the card game works? You basically need to understand basic coding skills to understand how card effects work

[@tyking33]

@@christians8821 actually with some hell yeah

[@epicnessoflegends]

Bc being a pro duelist in the world of yugioh is an actual job and career and pretty much a sport equivalent to the NFL and NBA and u have to get signed and hopefully booked for a duel

[@tyking33]

@@epicnessoflegends yep look at zane

[@ZaraUnityMasters]

It happens quite a bit in Yugioh5ds, especially early on, like first 5 episodes. Their computers on their duel runners (so not in standing duels) will read card effects to them, and give them a display of all the cards on the field.

[@adrianrocha49]

In their defense, I have done the same thing. It's mostly laziness given how long and complicated some card effects are. I even had an opponent ask me the same question, "Why doesn't anyone ever read the card?" Laziness and honestly, sometimes, reading the card takes so long that the other player starts getting angry.

[@Ragnarok540]

This actually reflects what happens in the real game, very often you can read a card but only really understand what happens when the effect is actually used, and even then there's stuff that can be done with that card that changes depending on the situation. Also some cards have 3 or 4 effects and what about pendulum cards? Those sometimes are complete novels.

[@dancostello4872]

I like the theory of most duelists in Arc-V prioritising trying to get Action Cards & evading attacks over standing still & reading because it also lines up with Yuya's unique approach to the duel in Ep. 108. Despite Action Cards being available (due to Crossover) Yuya had no intention of going for any because his priority was protecting Gongenzaka & Shingo; they'd just lost to the Tyler Sisters so would have been carded if he & Shun hadn't been standing between them. So it follows that if he wasn't going to be moving or looking for Action Cards he could afford to invest time in reading that card. Obviously the real explanation is the anime spectacle/theatrics one but I thought it was neat how the other theory seemed to align in this instance.

[@playingwithmyself7271]

In Yu-gi-oh Zexal ep 2 during Yuma/Astral vs Shark, Yuma reads his own card's effect on his duel disk screen by tapping the field screen with his finger because he set it and didn't know what it did. Mind you its his own card he's reading so the field screen might prevent Yuma from reading Shark's cards but, that's the only example I can remember.

[@UZXCrimsonAvenger]

That's about the only one I believe. Unless you wanna count the cards that show up during the World Duel Carnival's duel coaster section.

[@La_Volonte]

I remember that in VRAINS, they have A.i.s that often announce what a card effect does, so that the opponent knows. However this is also a luxury, as one duelist, Blood Shepherd, specifically programmed his own A.i. to omit card effects or just straight up deceive the opponent, cause he didn't trust or like A.i.s himself

[@sirmel11]

I've only played in person once but it really slows the game down if you're trying to read the person's cards. I always took it in the anime that things are more unexpected since you're not reading each other's cards.

[@akrybion]

I like how in the first season the cards were more like DnD characters, where a lot of their effects were results of storytelling instead of written down (attacking the floating rings of Castle of Dark Illusions and crushing the monsters under it, while they are held in place with Swords of Revealing Light)

[@ZeroStrife1396]

SORL actually held the castle up after the ring was destroyed and the castle fell after SORL ran out. Pain's monsters couldn't get out of the way because of a barrier he put up (I forget the name of the card). But yeah, Duelist Kingdom shenanigans were pretty fun to watch.

[@yuisure6755]

The manga was written before the card existed, so it more like Yugioh was big enough to make a game out of it. Though Yugioh would have made a decent RPG too.

[@littlekuribohimposte]

In 5Ds they have a display, but especially in the WRGP, they have to drive on manual. And Duel Runners go at up to 220 Kmph, which is fast. You don’t wanna lost focus and crash at that speed

[@drunkennephilim2995]

I think when it comes to the anime they dont have to tell you their cards effects as a part of the strategy aspect of that version of the game until it affects the active game state where it must then be revealed so that all participants are kept on the same level of understanding in a duel. Makes more sense than the cocky reveal aspect

[@FentonHardyFan]

Definitely makes more sense, especially considering EVERYONE plays like that, regardless of their personality.

[@azzaelulbrinter]

On the original manga, when Monstes & Wizards was first exposed, the cards had a "prism" that blocked the ATK/DEF from the opponent's POV, so no one knew the stats from the opponent's monsters.

[@pn2294]

0:47 Takahashi loved RPGs. Imagine the game more like Dungeons & Dragons than Poker.

[@izzadk86]

IMO the reason why (in universe) they have to declare "this monster can't be destroyed by card effects" is maybe they are treated as an activated effect, that is why they usually/sometimes keep declaring it one by one, got attacked "can't be destroy by battle", use spell / trap " can't be destroyed by spell or traps". That is why (was it Zexal or ArcV) they keep shouting " it can't be destroyed by battle" " yes, but you still take the damage" each and every time to the point it became a meme

[@crimsonknight4713]

In 5ds when team 5ds was facing the team with the sleeping giant they were relaying cards that could be part of a key point and looking into cards for the team during the duel so technically the support group is able to radio through the headset to give card info in 5ds

[@cherrylk4188]

Remember that time Joey activated a spell card that made Marín guess the card at the bottom of his graveyard? I guess the lack of public knowledge about graveyards are canon

[@Crimson_Dragon01]

The closest thing we've had to a character reading a card in a series besides Arc-V is the name and ATK of a monster being displayed in the visor of a helmet during a riding duel in 5D's. This was a detail only shown in the first 5D's opening on Yusei's visor and once or twice in the first few episodes. I always felt they should be able to pull up a card on their D-Wheel screens if Auto Pilot is on. But I guess you wouldn't want to imply distracted driving.

[@jeradwest8450]

Definitely hope there is a chance for this video to have a part two or update after some time of discovery, but though my memory-banks are just limited to the Yu-Gi-Oh first-series run and I stopped at GX... My understanding was that there were easy and available DMC you can find when you buy the card packs, but stronger and rare and even the Ultra-rare were actually limited in print. Kaiba literally was the only owner of Blue-Eyes White Dragon, outside Yuugi's grandfather having one. I cannot be specific and I apologize... also explains how many people's decks in the series were supposedly did not have many copies or their ace-DMC, but I suspect with Kaiba doing the tournaments was usually when they issued new cards or reprints, besides new additions commission by 'whatchamacalled' with his Millennium Eye.

[@friendmaker9210]

The funny thing is the original Yugioh DM dub has the best explanation: all card effects are in the rulebook! Yugi tells Arkana "you should read the rules more closely" when using his dark magic curtain. The cards themselves don't have text! And as for why they reveal the effect, to me it seems like it's a rule to reveal what a card does when its effect is "active" (eg not being destroyed by battle) but not in other circumstances.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

I recall a scene in the 3-on-1 duel of Duke, Tristan and Serenity vs. Nesbitt. Duke kept playing Dice-themed cards and the luck-based effects always favoured him. Que Nesbitt asking "Are you sure you're not making up these effects as you go?" Because clearly he couldn't just read the cards to be sure Duke wasn't lying.

[@Frenzyshark]

Which is funny because I'm assuming the Big Five had some control over the cards being added to their virtual world database. I admit maybe they just got lazy and downloaded the database from Kaiba's or Pegasus' database but it's still their virtual world. They even went to the trouble of creating the deck master system. Maybe higher ups should listen to their programmers sometimes.

[@the24thcolossusjustchillin39]

I’m almost willing to bet none of the Big 5 played the game before virtual World arc

[@harnamchana114]

This isn't just reading but my fav moment in the gx dub is jesse vs adrian and jesse activates a card called eternal reverse, explains the whole effect how it can make his monster not be destroyed by battle, Adrian attacks, jesse activates the card and he still acts shocked lmao

[@MrTARDIS]

Not Duel Monsters related, but I really liked when Yugi is playing Dungeon Dice Monsters against Duke, between turns he's on the arena computer learning all the rules and effects which really annoys Duke.

[@Alovon]

I say for Riding and Action Duels, the amount of focusing on the actual Driving or Parkour makes it so the player reading the opponent's card effects would put one at personal risk in their driving/risk missing an opportunity in an Action Duel. Add in the idea that keeping card effects public is not mandated, also how the Duel-Pads in Xexal were I assume decently new, but were moreso a School Tablet with a Duel Disc addon, vs the D-Pads in ARC-V which were full on personal computers with the ability to hard-light project stuff and release a solid-vision field. Players in the Classic to 5Ds era likely didn't want to have to walk all the way over to the opponent's end and make the duel crawl to a halt, especially in time-limited scenarios like Battle City, or most of the conflicts in 5Ds' Earthbound Immortals Arc. Ditto how depending on the format, walking over to see the card would be impossible (EX; Duelist Kingdom arena, or again, Duel Runners) So I just say by the time of Xexal in the OG Universe/Dimension, it was just set in stone because of "That's how I played" cultural osmosis. And a similar case in the ARC-V Dimensions born out of the future of Xexal (At least most likely), as they all had histories based on reality to the point to that dimension's present so I assume the progression of duel-disc technology was similar before Leo intentionally or unintentionally spread Solid Vision between every Dimension and hyper-accelerated the tech in regards to Duel Monsters. Long story short, Duel Discs while cool, make reliably checking enemy card effects very slow and tedious, at least until you get to the ARC-V or maybe Xexal level Duel-disc

[@smb-c3po]

I always read the card descriptions before deciding whether or to consider it for my deck, I'm still missing four of the decks that I'd previously made before I redid my room

[@michaelsriqui7898]

In the early anime, cards didn't even have text to explain an effect, presumably, this was done so that the animators didn't have to write out the text on each card. In duel links I often don't read card effects due to the timer, numerous times I have lost duels because I have run out of time, as a result, I generally try to execute my turn as quickly as possible.

[@DoctorOaks]

They actually did have text on them in the original Japanese dubbing. For some reason 4kids decided to remove the card text and enlarge the card art for Western audiences.

[@-AirKat-]

@@DoctorOaksit’s for legal reasons, something about restrictions in advertising in children shows. This is why even the dubbed movies have text (as it’s not a show), but the Yugioh Sevens dub on Disney still blocks out the text.

[@Odd_Eyes]

My guess as to why they don't check cards in ARC-V is because of a rule, that was said only once in episode 9 during the duel between Yuya and Hokuto/Dipper (The Constellar Guy). The rule states that if the turn player doesn't play a card or make a move for more than a minute. I don't know if checking a card counts as "making a move", but for the sake of the argument, let's say it does. Checking a card and reading it would risk the player potentially getting disqualified and that's why they don't check it most of the time.

[@ssjseifer]

Dungeon Dice Monsters has a help screen to let you know what your monsters can do, but it does seem implied that you don't know what the opponent can do. It wouldn't be hard to say your duel disk can show you your opponents face up cards if they wanted to.

[@sonichero7]

I don't know if this is just in the dub, but in 5D's I thinks there's an AI voice that will occasionally list off a cards stats and effects when it's played. I believe there's at least one episode where the card itself pops up on the screen of Yusei's (or Jack's, don't remember which) Duel Runner's screen, with displays the opponent's field card wise. Lastly, I think I vaguely remember Yuma or some other Zexal character tapping their Duel Pad screen and pulling up a card, though I can't remember if it was theirs or the opponent's, or if it actually happened so take that with a grain of salt.

[@platinum_lego8384]

"Stardust dragon is a Level 8 Dragon type Wind attributed Synchro monster with 2500 attack points and 2000 defense points"

[@mystery8820]

That part is dub only and a waste of runtime for the show. The original Japanese didn’t do that.

[@kr555wizard]

One main difference I say about not reading tends to be in irl events, people tend to bring relvatively well known decks that get used alot, so most active players will have existing understanding of the card effects to a degree, thus think they can get away without reading, leading to misremembering of effects. Whereas in the anime peeps be bringing out new cards our protagonists have never seen before quite regularly leading to actually having 0 clue. As for the reason why they don't read, it makes sense for 5ds in turbo duels since they gotta drive as well, and likely can't waste time reading long paragrahs, same case as your theory for action duels, and as for the normal duels i don't think they had screens for the normal duels. As for Zexal no clue since they do have ways to bring up the duel field.

[@Goldfire345]

Even for the turbo duels the duel runners have screens on them that show the field

[@gamingproject5601]

@@Goldfire345 yeah, but like, im getting car sickness while reading in car going 50 km/h, imagone reading at 180 km/h while bent over to take a turn with the bike. I would vomit the entirety of existance for the duration of the race for reading watapon

[@swordsman1_messer]

I haven’t watched one of the shows in significance since 5 Ds season 1, but I do know ZEXALS had a visor eyepiece thing going on. Even then, the Duel Runners of 5 Ds had *onboard computers with a speech module* . Having a ranged reference is far earlier in the series. The only other thing; they do have those references… but they never update them.

[@theroadrunner6880]

I have seen literally 1 character read card effects, and that was Jaden in GX, I think it was his first time using winged kuriboh or something?

[@Dragapulturero]

I know right? If they only read Pot of Greed's effects.

[@alpha34098]

The thing to consider is that Characters in the Anime are Experienced with the decks that they use and even those their recurring opponents/friends/rivals do use from the get go (Yugi for example, had some real experience in Duel Monsters from even before the first arc thanks to the fact that Duel Monsters is actually the Second Yugioh Anime, the first one being the Bandai Anime that never came out of Japan. Judai Yuki had experience with the game from his own childhood long before he entered Duel Academy. Yusei, being from Satellite, was force by circumstances to be a experienced Duelist in order to survive. And so on) so they don't really need to read their own cards, they rely on memory to know what their cards do just by looking at the picture, and even if they make a first encounter with another duelist, the Opponents does reveal their effects in detail, letting other Characters (and the Audience) know

[@helixsol7171]

They can do the same thing in ZEXAL, since their Duel Disks have digital screens as well. They even show what things would look like on the screen if they actually looked at them every so often.

[@gerardomacias7370]

I know it not relevant to the video but I was rewatching 5Ds on KZbin and I was wondering, was Team Unicorn about to win the Team Turbo Duel? I know if Jean just ended his turn he’d win by deck out. But was there anything team 5Ds could have dueled to win earlier. Or did Yusei have a card that could have prevented him from decking out? Could you make a video about this match, or does anyone in the comments have something to add?

[@dancostello4872]

I don't know about optimal plays during the rest of the duel, but yeah Yusei had literally nothing (that we could possibly know of anyway). His win con was the Summon Tax combo & he acknowledged it was his last gambit but Jean dismantled it during his turn - I imagine that's why Yusei had to resort to headgames in the end lmao.

[@noahhascall3004]

I always interpreted it as that cards effects have to be known by the person using them, kinda like chanting a spell. That's the reason behind having duel academies and why there's no writing on the cards in the early anime. You were supposed to study cards and your deck and know each card in it, which is clearly what they do since we don't see any of the characters in the anime taking a minute to read what their own card does before they do their turn. And so when you activate your monsters effect you have to chant it out loud like a spell.

[@enderalex]

Cards always had text on them, dub just removed it and enlarged the artwork.

[@naodnaod7591]

My reasoning for gx for there to exist a duel academy, is that cards are even more heavily shorprinted and that you coulnd't just read your opponents card mid duel or have access to any card in existence/just go and loook at it in a shop, so the school was made to learn what each card does, for example the egyptian god cards, there was even an episode in season 2 where somebody copied Ra and when Jaden tried to destroy it with a card effect he mocked him saying something like "have they never taught you Ra's effect?" which despite what it sounds like, was more of a genuine question rather than some side mockery I think even his friends added a short remark that that should be common knowledge among the students (not sure about this last bit).

[@kingcrimson4504]

my head canon is you can only know what a card does by ether yourself interacting with the card, or your duel disk interacting with the card, so you know common card effects but you wouldn't know person exclusive card effects until they tell you about it

[@Yun_K.M]

I actually think yuya was allow to check the effect of the card to make sure the fusion duo sister aren’t lieing about their card effect after that card has been activated,also the card was a continuous spell card that stay on the field. Most likely because yuya didn’t know any card like that existed in his dimention.

[@alicepbg2042]

when jaden plays a card and says what it does, and the opponent goes "that can't be!" and jaden replies "yeah, it's what it does. I read the card" hilarious

[@waltercardcollector]

This made me think of an episode from the Duelist Kingdom season where Tea is dueling Mai, and Tea draws Waboku. And she says to herself, "Waboku! That's a trap card. A powerful one. If only I could remember what it does!" And then later in the duel she activates it and announces, "I remember what it does now!" And that just made me crack up.

[@Felnal]

Considering how confusing the original card text for Waboku was, I don't blame her for not remembering what it did.

[@platinum_lego8384]

I mean if we're taking english dub the card has no text on it so she could not have known 🤣

[@Megamanlanprime]

My understanding for why effects are explained is because when an effect is applied the player must explain the effect does. Until that happens they do not need to explain the effect, and in fact that even explains why people may explain effects multiple times in the anime

[@Zootaloo2111]

Maybe the anime rule is that enemy effects are only public knowledge when they are either used, or if the enemy announces it ? That would explain why they explain all the effects they use, when they use it or before they use it ? And why Yuya could check the effect on his dueldisk after it was announced ?

[@brockschannel3927]

Always a problem I had with the dub, how can you read the card without any name or description?

[@sul_9999]

I assumed they know what all 10k cards do.

[@Sinsystems]

On the subject of main characters not reading card effects one thing we need to keep in mind is that a lot of the time they are under ultra-high stress scenarios. Like after getting electrocuted via your opponent using Egyptian shadow magic on the duel you wouldn't be in the state of mind to go "okay let me read this card."

[@Medbread]

Uhhh, no, on the contrary, it should be the FIRST thing you'd think of in a situation like that. If you just got fucking electrocuted because you didn't realize your opponent's cards could do a thing, and you misplayed, you would go, "HMM, MAYBE I SHOULD READ ALL HIS CARDS SO IT DOESNT HAPPEN AGAIN." This is actually a way bigger point towards the show not making sense, because if the world is at stake, and you know that you have a higher chance of not failing to protect it if you just READ, you'd read. Not to mention, in shadow duels and similar situations, you only suffer if you take damage, or something similar. You aren't in any rush to avoid being hurt again by taking your time to read cards.

[@BHWu2]

In VRAINS, they not only have the option to bring up a display with the opponent’s cards (iirc, Ghost Girl does this at one point against Playmaker and says something to the effect of “oh I see”), but a lot of them also have AIs to read card effects out loud to them. I can’t think of an example offhand where a player has their AI read an opponent’s card, but I remember a lot of times when a player had an AI read their own effects out loud rather than explaining it themselves, and at least one case where an AI explains what their opponent is trying to do (again, Ghost Girl’s AI vs Playmaker when she was confused by one of Playmaker’s actions).

[@snowboundwhale6860]

5Ds Turbo duels absolutely have a digital screen that displays the opponent's side of the field since they're played in D-Wheels by necessity; The Arcadia trio are the only probable exceptions I can think of and they're duelling robots. The duel disks themselves don't seem to be quite at that point though, they range from literally the DM era duel disk to a more streamlined take on the GX model, so I doubt standard duels have this feature. Zexal swapped out the solid vision holograms for augmented reality w/ visors and all, so I always interpreted things like the boxes showing Lvl/ Rnk/ ATK/ DEF to be actually visible to the characters in this one; This is in contrast to the other series were I'd always read those didn't actually appear to the characters and were just a way to give gamestate/ monster information to the viewers without needing to spend dialogue on it. Granted that's all interpretation (aside from Zexal using AR instead of holograms), but because of that I'd assume they could probably get a popup for cards they're looking at if they want to, but afaik there aren't any actual examples of them doing so.

[@loquen3497]

Normal duel disks in 5ds don't have a way to show your oponen's cards or field as they just dispose of a tiny panel to show your life points; though, in riding duels D-wheels usually have a screen where you can see at least both fields, but im not really sure if you can zoom a card displayed or not. Also, the series implies several times that duelists have a kind of duel record with the database of the cards they use, for example team unicorn always research the team they go against and form the strategies to counter them, that's why jean was really shocked after yusei performed a fusion summon because he never did it before and he couldn't know Dragon Knight Draco-Equiste effect's beforehand. Another way to take advantage of this database (not sure if it's legal in an official duel) is by using an external device that displays the info during the duel, in episode 44 for example, yeager used an external screen to look at crow's data and he read the card Fake Feather one turn before it was actually used.

[@salebadalo1957]

In Zexal, Yuma checked what is facedown card was against Shark and Ponta checked Yuma's facedown card when he possessed him in their duel

[@dekawizard96]

6:12 I like when the Tyler sisters used Gladiator Beasts that looks like Amazoness cards

[@craigskinkle]

I remember from the GX manga that the academy disks allow you to check which cards are in the GY of all players. Also the face down cards of your partner in a tag duel

[@ShadowPIXL_]

In Duelist Kingdom, notably the duels between Yugi vs. Weevil and Joey vs. Rex, there were scenes noting that there were face down cards on the field and can be seen on the duelist's panel. I think vs. Paradox Brothers and vs. Pegasus there was also a shot of the panel displaying both fields. I think reading cards was always an option but the anime also makes a big deal about pacing and taking actions quickly

[@nexidal9656]

IIRC, duelists in vrains checked the cards a lot during duels. At least in the first season. I remember a duel I don't know if it was Gore or Aoi, but they made a move and the opponent's AI said something about that card does X, they're probably trying to do Y.

[@mizedaddy]

During Duelist Kingdom the Duel Arena's had a top screen and bottom screen; the bottom screen is where you placed your cards and the top displayed your opponents cards so you could certainly read card effects during the very first season lol

[@guyoffun]

IN GX there is a moment I forgot what episode it was but it was in season 1, Jaden activates a spell card and explains what it does, then the villain asks why can he do that. & he replies "I read the card"

[@29jemo]

Kaiba: Play your last pathetic card. Yugi: I’m reading.

[@Snowmon89]

Sometimes it feels like characters have to discover what a card does because the cards themselves can change or alter during a duel. Heck, Yuya did it in his very first duel of the his series and the DDD guy's prototype Pendulum Monsters did something that even he didn't realize that it does. During Yugioh GX they do joke around about just reading the cards at one point, but I think that was just an English Dub joke. Because IN Yugioh GX sometimes characters feel like they're making up what their own cards can do (at first), especially when the card(s) were just created. Such as the final duel in Yugioh GX's first season, or when Jayden(Yuki) first gets his Neo Spacian cards, sometimes he knows exactly what they did, but then they'd do something that even he's not aware of. Elemental Hero Aqua Neos went back to his deck without being part of his own plan. He then played Neo Space and suddenly his Flare Neos didn't have to return to his deck, almost like he knew the whole time. Overall, it's like a 50/50 deal. Cards will automatically do what they're supposed to do and will describe their effects, buuuuut Duelists (and people creating the cards) will have to discover exactly what the descriptions of said effects mean. As for Modern Yugioh (aka VRAINS), players simply don't have time to check every single card that is played for these combos. So it makes sense for them to not know what cards do AND they can trust what their opponents say about them because they'll do it automatically anyway. Same goes for Sevens and GoRush, but they're simpler versions of the game for that very problem seen in VRAINS.

[@saintxix1309]

Even with card effects being public knowledge, "You fool!" was literally my most used phrase back when I played YGO. 😅

[@chrishansen9102]

The funniest part is I always question that I wondered but then again I just remembered that they're always skipping school.

[@sintext5420]

For Duel monsters (Duelist kingdom) you can read the cards if you wanted too, in the duel against Pegaues vs kaiba and joey vs bandit keith when they swap cards they put the cards on the duel desk and it flips over to the oppotent they can pick it up and read or or add that card too the hand due to a card effect and just return it to the players that way without walking too them.

[@dylanmadry165]

My head cannon has always been that the duel disk as advanced as they are to be as quick and responsive as they are their data base is only based off the cards that have been scanned and read into it personally so it's only able to display cards the duelist owns and has scanned in to the duel disk and when a duel is initiated both duel disk link together through the dueling network(or whatever they call it) and then can play off of each other for rulings which are done in the cloud network. I like it this way and I think it's more fun but I love your explanations as well and the anime just likes to do crazy things

[@Revanaught]

Here's my theory for the in-universe rules. Card effects are not public knowledge until the effect resolves at least once, at which point it becomes public knowledge. So, for the card Yuya checks, it's effect has activated, he gets to check and verify it actually does what they said it does. But for parasite queen, it's effect hadnt activated until Yuya tried to use an effect on it. At which point it activated, it's now public knowledge, he could check it if he wanted after that point. I'd also extend this to only effects that have activated become public knowledge. So, for example, dark sanctuary in the bakura vs Yugi duel had multiple effects, which Yugi had to learn about independently. Bakura had to reveal the effects each time. Idk, that's my theory. That's the only way I can really make sense of it.

[@samuelcastillo5246]

Hahaha your voice fits perfect for the "Nani" part, I love your channel man, keep it up

[@mattwo7]

Before 5D's, in 5D's Master Duels, in Sevens, in Go-Rush and in VRAINS outside of Link VRAINS, it made sense because they couldn't see the opponent's side of the field but with duel runners, d-gazers, duel disks with screens (Arc-V) and Link VRAINS, there was no such excuse. Even if no one ever used the function, there's no way to know it _doesn't_ exist. All of these digital displays show both fields so there's no reason to assume it doesn't unless there's evidence against it. Heck, this may have even been a thing with duel fields with screens showing the opponent's field in Duel Monsters through Zexal (don't think duel fields were a thing after Zexal).

[@wadegreiner6501]

I feel like there's a better reason than hubris that characters explain what their cards do after they use the effects- simply put, if something happens, you have to explain to your opponent why it happens. You can't just say "Oh, Ultimate Falcon isn't destroyed" and then it's not destroyed because at that point you could just... say whatever and we have DM all over again. Basically public knowledge doesn't exist until it affects the duel.

[@BlazingHope01]

Pretty sure 5DS and beyond all of them had access to a strong computer or online 1. 5DS(talking about turbo duels) you need access to the roads so it connects online and find a duel path for u (good wi-if I guess) plus so some duels we hear a robot voice telling us card effects(far I aware only reads it for us not the duelists) so their no reason why their helmets don’t have something to read out card effect 2. Zexal you have a eye and ear gear to do duels plus it extremely powerful gear for it size so no reason why it can’t connect to a library or have cards with small chips to give the duelist card details.

[@hal1385]

I feel like the timer really does make a difference in terms of whether people actually bother to read cards or not. In Arc-V, they established that turns have a relatively strict timer. I believe you can't go longer than 3 minutes without playing a card or spend more than 10 minutes on your turn, violating either resulting in a forfeit. It's clearly so that you can't spend a half hour trying to grab Action Cards while stalling, but in-universe it probably also lead people to duel while prioritizing finishing their turn quickly instead of reading your opponent's cards. I mean, the Maiami Championship Tournament established that physically assaulting your opponent to prevent them from grabbing Action Cards or even playing their own cards is frowned upon, but not explicitly against the rules. I could believe that stopping to check card effects was something that they passively discouraged in order to keep the pace of the duel high.

[@ponurygrzesiek2812]

Someone has mentioned it, but I remember from GX you have to speak out loud the card effect in order to activate it. In the early duel between Sirus and Jaden he (Sirus) didn't use the effect of Patroid as he didn't say it loud.