Why Dota games sometimes feel impossible

[@Jenkins69]

like if u like power spikes and hate coronavirus

[@confus.d]

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[@hansalt6695]

@@confus.d yea gay not a real men

[@SayNoobB4ULeave]

i love corona virus

[@davidyesayaf7015]

Jenkins stay safe mate

[@burakcenik8315]

thx for your effort but majority of this sounds irrelevant to me jsut because it assumes you to be able to organise with your team. For example u offer to dodge fight in some sitations but in real pubs you cant convince your team to dodge fights for 2 or 4 mins they will fight no matter what then blame you for not attending. Any tip that includes directing your team with you will be almost compeltely useless in that sense which includes this video. Again thx for your effort preparing this.

[@Panzer731]

Dude, these types of tutorials are literally what the community needs. We spent like 9 years watching play compilations and basic guides that don't break down what really goes on in a match of dota. I always told myself, how can I know so much about a game and still feel like I suck and I can never do anything of value. I think part of it is the practice time and other very important aspect is the knowledge out there about how the game works so thanks

[@hwdp2558]

"Between 12-15 min he picks up a battlefury" hahaha Jenkins you are a real comedian. I'm happy if my anti mage gets his anytime before 25

[@briann10]

yeah man, but pro player seems to get it before 20 min. I suck at carry as well, probably bf 28+ min

[@donkeydonkez8219]

Actually just avoid deaths you can have it 15 mins to 18mins

[@augustuscaeser5895]

If your antimages consistently take 25 minutes to get battlefury that's on his support.

[@hwdp2558]

@@augustuscaeser5895 it was a joke however it is rare I see one before 15 min usually 16-19. Also if it takes literally 25 minutes that's never on the support it means they are very bad at carry, unless it's an absolute stomp but even then anti can always split push.

[@izzul6714]

Make it a habit or target for urself.. Example: "I have to finish treads and diffusal with riki before 15m mark" this not only make ur cs going better and better but also make u creative how to do it

[@goink3368]

I like how he fights when he builds battlefury but farms when he gets diffusal

[@godsparticle7657]

XD

[@carpedownhillem]

You dont want late game vs PL and OD, while you need bf for illusions. That why he talk about time spike.

[@jeffreyandia5179]

Don't give better picks than you time to farm, just force team fights you'll lose late game anyways so better take high risk high reward decisions

[@h0tj0hn]

@@carpedownhillem don't use logic to 2k people, it hurts their brains xd

[@Jaded21121]

Clearly you don't get what's in this content

[@renxu9]

1:33 Chances are you already knew all of this SHOWS NAKED GUY.

[@markvincentcocjin]

Shows d1ckless guy.

[@kenthlhoydmagdadaro2481]

That seem Odd.

[@NinjapowerMS]

My team has a brain spike where they throw the game. Really weird.

[@chloetzpiano6548]

You misspell pinoy

[@interstellar_hamster6250]

@@chloetzpiano6548 r/whooosh

[@matchu9995]

@@chloetzpiano6548 I am a pinoy, and yes some of my countrymen are really stupid.

[@martinmartin6300]

Yeah?

[@cnj96]

high-horse syndrome.

[@Gabrielbarsch]

Does blademail count as a power spike? Ya know, Cuz it had spikes

[@Jenkins69]

bristleback level 2 power spike he gets bristle back

[@leonbishop7404]

@@Jenkins69 lmao

[@packnerz2017]

in LC I guess

[@Zenovarse]

On spectre against wr

[@weebslime]

the whole idea of power spike already beyond my grasp in playing dota

[@tiramisuoais9302]

So how to know each hero power spike? Need to play every hero and watching pro games?

[@liecretsev]

@@tiramisuoais9302 This is why newcomers don't stay too long in Dota. The old players don't have the time to keep playing too. Which is why active player count in dota keeps decreasing

[@tiramisuoais9302]

@@liecretsev maybe, but other factor like toxic and can cancer team also lead player to quit dota as well.

[@truekep]

@@tiramisuoais9302 You need to test it yourself. Most of the time, the pros did it 1st. Then casual players follow. Then it becomes the meta.

[@silvergiovanni5336]

Based from my personal gameplay I use power spike as prediction on how strong some hero will become on a balanced game Like for example when someone picks alche I know that if he gets the essential creepings on mid he will get that radiance at 15 min mark and depending if his supports are good are are stacking, Alche will get his next core item after like 8 mins. Another example is Tinker getting a Boots of Travel around 12 mins. With these knowledge in mind. I need to wreck and sabotage their early laning phase to delay their power spikes. Prompting me to dominate early game and get items fast I mostly dominate early game to mid game with my TA mid, late game, we gon a need teamwork since enemy team probably has farmed enough to counter.

[@karambadodox]

1:33 Hoo nonono this is not me kind sir

[@Jenkins69]

yes thats u

[@icehGG]

i literally flinched when i see that

[@ivanvasiljev6570]

seeing a new Jenkins vid on my KZbin is always like a birthday gift, keep em coming!

[@Ginocide02]

This is something that's been on my mind for a while. It's been winning me games, but the one issue I have with timings as a carry player is that if the enemy team has a superior late game than ours, my team (we are a 5 stack) get so antsy in wanting to finish the game as soon as possible, to the point where they don't want to wait for my item that's 500 gold away. I've won significantly more games than I've lost recently, but it's just difficult to stop them from fighting when you're not ready to fight yet.

[@parlatr]

Between timings and joining the right ganks with your team letting u get last hit and kill both equally important. I have seen games where non stop ganks win the game more than farm/item times..

[@parlatr]

Lance Rovi Luaña yes they all want to gank heroes all game instead of thinking abt item and talent timings. Even if u support them a lot there is no hope to win.

[@JustBenching]

There is no point in joining 99% of fights as a flash farming carry with huge spikes. Prime example is Luna, which I main on divine 3-4. Even if my team is feeding like crazy I mostly avoid fights till ~25-30 minutes, cause frankly, it doesn't matter. You can outfarm all of their cores combined if you play properly, so it doesn't really matter even if your team keeps dying. At 25 minutes, if everything goes according to "plan", you should have your manta / fly / bkb, you get rosh and then you end the game, right then and there. Actually, its very beneficial as a flash farming carry if your team forces fights and plays really aggressively, but at the opposite side of the map. Even if they lose every single one of those fights, they take attention away from you and you basically have 50% of the map free for you to farm. Ofc that applies to heroes that CAN actually farm, like Dusa / Luna / AM. Don't do that with fighting carries like Juggernaut, doesn't work

[@augustuscaeser5895]

@Lance Rovi Luaña gotta love it when your antimages blinks in 1v5 with battlefury and boots and nothing else at 16 minutes after you just secured him a 13 minute battlefury by zoning both offlaners back to their jungle.

[@MAJLennoX]

Khaled Shatnawi at this time and patch you can actually use jug with bf to farm till around 25 minutes and start joining fight, it should be pt/bf/manta/(4th main item), just the same item with am on 25 with pt/bf/manta/basher or even abysal

[@adriandqTR]

This is crazy, I was just thinking about this. Jenkins you mind reader. Your videos are on point.

[@ithatan]

For what it's worth I enjoy these videos with actual case studies or examples illustrating the concept more than just the "here are five things" type videos.

[@yagoovirus2751]

This doesn't only apply in dota, it works on any other moba games as well thanks for this information and I learned something new again I already have this concept in mind but you helped me even more with visualization

[@fruitenantcolonel9207]

Like the Charisma on command style thumbnail!

[@warrentang7459]

As a returning player, your videos are invaluable. You deserve the support!

[@biganromeo5529]

We appreciate you appreciating us appreciating the videos! Thanks man!

[@marsy8749]

I have never played Dota and don't have the slightest clue what you are supposed to do in this game, yet i stayed and watched the entire video, because it is so well made.

[@ferro1398]

I've been noticing some of the carry heroes' item timings and everytime I notice they're missing from the lanes, I try to tell the rest of the team to be more aggressive in pushing to maybe force the enemy carries to stop farming jungle and prematurely join the fight and hope that they choke. That or I rotate and bring another person to smoke gank anyone and potentially ward and deward somewhere.

[@calebhartz]

Good video man. I play LoD (Legends of Dota) on RGC (Ranked Gaming Client). This is a mod of Dota 1 where you skill draft and pick 4 regular skills and two ults. The balance is a bit different than dota or dota 2 because of nasty combos but the game play is 90% the same. Your insight is true for us too. You gotta be aware of when your team has an advantage and make your move when you can. If only your entire team understood the advantage you have. All too often they want to finish farming the next item because they're only focused on themselves. If your experienced ally is feeling confident about a fight, it's not a bad idea to listen to them. You might be surprised with the outcome.

[@codyz3559]

Great video! I think you’ve mentioned the AM vs Medusa matchup before with the manta divine Medusa on rtz I think it was and still holds up

[@SPYTHandle]

Great guide! I really loved how the visual graphs make it so much easier to see the difference in timings and who is more powerful when. Absolutely agree also on the fact that its really hard to play early timings in pubs as it requires a lot of coordination vs just farming solo until the which is quite a common instinct.

[@gcavrubio]

This is one of the best and most instructive videos on Dota I have ever watched

[@tulgaenkhtaivan8174]

Jenkins, great content! Are you considering to make some scenario analysis with hypothetical 5vs5 and with their power spikes as a 5 man (contributions of each players to team power shown with separate colors) and compare with the enemy team? That would be amazing! That can be extended to real-world pro match analysis, where some teams should have won depending on their team power spikes, but still lost due to their inability to reach those timings, or the enemy team reaching their power spikes way before the normal(forecatsed) timings, Your fan from Mongolia! :))

[@husseinalbus9570]

Honestly really helpful unlike most dota videos these days, so thank u

[@PlaymakersBasketball-aus]

Yeah timings are pretty lit, but have you tried diet soda?

[@Njrocks00]

"In a professional Dota match, every decision that a pro player makes is BASED"

[@ds2sofs]

"In a professional DotA match, every decision that a pro player makes is based." Yeah thanks Jenkins like that's going to help.

[@F7_TeeJ]

1:32 "Chances are, you already knew all of this!" *Boi do I have news for YOU*

[@neilrichardabangan7832]

Thanks for the video I didn't play for a long time and it feels so different now. You deserve more subs!

[@rumba07]

Generally a channel uploaded a video and wait for lit comments but in this channel JENKINS GOD make comments lit on his own

[@TycoDota]

Boosting KZbin algorithm is the only boosting I support

[@martinmartin6300]

Yeah?

[@bjkloss]

These are great! Best informative DotA videos available right now. I feel so learnt

[@martinmartin6300]

Yeah?

[@mohammadzulhilmifakhrulazm9891]

Thank you! Would really like to have more details on power spike and timings

[@liweiguo2934]

Burning the AM has cross-dressed once when he streamed lmao

[@zvonimirbeslic3546]

Hey Jenkins, huge fan here! I stopped playing dotos long time ago but still follow that crazy game. Love your videos just keep it up!! Maybe do a vid on weird picks that worked out (axe POS 4/5 or smtg)

[@turkeydota2]

I really liked the video just wish you explained more on what was specifically making him make these choices, not just “for some reason he feels like he doesn’t need to fight”

[@mageia6503]

Thanks! for a crusader like me i managed to win both the mid and the late game, This video helped me a lot!

[@howzhauzan63]

it is true. but in SEA server legend- bracket they want you to fight, no mater the time, items, they want you join. and when the hard carry get crushed in early game, they will blame you. SEA is a whole different level bro..

[@amateruss]

In SEA, a dota game without too much fighting is not a dota game.

[@krylle1711]

Buy a plane ticket to europe. Play on europe servers=fun

[@ragequit2411]

3.5k and never new the meaning of timings. Ty

[@thetemptingurge8945]

I once picked a Medusa into the anti-mage for the sole purpose of the aghs upgrade erasing illusions and stoning heroes. AM blinked on top of me and all of a sudden his illusions were gone and he was pummeled by me and the pos 3. It only needed to work once and we just pushed mid after that.

[@YY-mk4ti]

You have a big work to do Jenkins and Dota Alchemy. Dota just released a big update, like really big! Just now.

[@Zyvo2]

Dora feels impossible when we have 5 carries and half the team still don’t understand carrying 4 neutrals doesn’t work, or even how to switch them out.

[@seanduncan9722]

Jenkins i love your channel man. Thank you for what you do.

[@fifatrickster51]

Best video you've made so far

[@WestlyLaFleur]

We appreciate you too, Jenkins.

[@JoshuaHockley]

This is top level stuff Jenkins!!!

[@w4yland3r27]

This was incredibly well done and clear

[@NeroNii]

very clear and concise content man keep it up

[@GeorgeZacharopoulos]

This is a very solid logic I am never ever going to apply.

[@jessejamesb]

would be wonderful to have an index somewhere of power spikes. maybe hard to do since it's often matchup dependent

[@weavorjjohanna5619]

Jenkin with all respect from me, the power spike from AM is really hard to understand and put it in to work, the best BEST examples of power spike and easy to understand is : 1. Ursaa 2. Slark 3. Legion Commander 4. Huskar

[@carsfromohio]

You make the most useful guides

[@fayceluchiha3897]

A video about the powerspike of some popular heroes of the meta is a good idea I think 😉

[@tena02]

Yeah we kinda know about this timing stuff but it does not work very well in reality I end up fighting because my team can't just stop fighting no matter what I say, but sometimes it works with good team coordination and it's very rare. But thanks, it was very useful to fully understand what it actually is.

[@miguillos]

We appreciate you too Jenks

[@extremist078]

Thanks again for this genuine info, could help for safelane players. Again thumbs up

[@simpsbelongtothegulags3702]

My typical SEA game Enemy AM: 15 min BF Our AM :18 - 23 min BF then farms until 35 mins

[@jaycabbab9277]

I love your videos jenkins! U always inspire me to play more dota!

[@Ivcifer]

jenkins is a gentleman and a scholar

[@karlhenrycobarde3701]

Thanks for the guide more power and videos to come ^^

[@hey_how_are_ya]

Instead of a battlefurry I suggest a malestrom to get against PL and then you can upgrade it later to get more attack speed and it will work for both range and melee

[@TalesofCROWE]

i do this with timber, sometimes i'll pick it into od because i know that if i can get a fast blademail then there is potential to take a fight

[@AlteredProf]

I think I've been doing this unconsciously for a while now and I just realized it when I watched this video, I think it's also important for support players to get those item timings as well I don't know

[@christianadrian1256]

Glad I found this channel Im learning so much ty!

[@ieiri7766]

0:23 at some degree this is true but not entirely especially as a melee offlane against am with venom or corrosion its so hard to go near the wave

[@michaellarsen180]

I appreciate you too Jenkins! ;)

[@kunxv15]

this channel is so much better than gameleap imho

[@parlatr]

Omg I never thought someone could explain this so logically!! I hope pub gamers can play better after this video..I see some ppl farm radiance no matter what as a first item even though it is more than 40mins into the game..they don’t consider the face that enemy team match up and items to counter at all..

[@SteampunkGuy3]

I agree with u about the mid saying go farm I was mid Visage and at obe point had no idea what to do And I just told my team to farm just farm

[@ThalCast]

Hellyaes keep those vids coming, i like when you make macro game focused videos, would be cool to see one in this shape for sup 5 / 4 decision making

[@HallsteinI]

No Jenkins joke at the start? 😯😯😦

[@hansalt6695]

Jenkins the only man in the universe who can make traffic lights in game

[@Remy-ec8yw]

a nice guy with an incredible guide

[@fingertodd]

one important thing about Medusa and AM is that AM can't fight against medusa during ulti, making her decent against AM the whole game with similar farm. Also medusa mid outfarms and outlevels an AM early, making her be ahead most of the game.

[@thatei.detailing_girl]

lets make dota 2 explode again

[@TrisnoadiWikantoro]

You still playin?

[@overseer389]

@@TrisnoadiWikantoro You so funny, dota beats every past record of international reward and u say still playing or no. Of course everyone playing because every interested in the best game in the world. Only chess can be opponent versus dota, but dota is chess too in other reality

[@TrisnoadiWikantoro]

@@overseer389 yo right man. I'm playing after more than one year of absence

[@deva8496]

in my bracket (cursader) i noticed lot of the games switch at either 20 or 30 minutes. this is some magic number i observed in dozens of my own games where either we did come back or enemies did.

[@alexjoshuaws]

How to farm when enemy has a faster power spike when they run at you and your towers. Basically, how to play into counters?

[@bananagod5530]

In SEA. You need to learn to ignore without muting because your team will warn you an enemy is coming but they will flame you because you are farming.

[@michaelpatton7807]

hey jenkins, thanks for the video, great content!

[@LinkLink23]

0:56, "At around 25min, Anti-Mage picks up a basher....' I will be so happy if my team's AM get a Battle Fury before 25mins.....

[@Sousukespirit]

in Pub: go farming dude in minor: go farm, make it fast in major: solo farm is dangerous, go with allies and run from fighting scene quickly in TI: hey dude farming by killing heroes only.

[@awad2226]

helpful a lot . Subscribed for this

[@anhnguyen-vq1rn]

I'm trying to learn english, watching your video help me learn a bunch of new vocabulary. Rigorous

[@patrick4044]

worst in the late game when my team always choke, and feed. End up us losing even tho we got the mega creeps

[@Animemoviesmore]

"He goes to his teammates and they smoke"

[@Anli_Fourie]

Awesome video my bro

[@ananonymous7700]

I like how u explain things. it makes sense

[@madd2181]

I reach Immortal rank bcz of jenkinz, from archon wayback 2019.

[@brenboaz]

Be Satisfied bro how

[@madd2181]

just dont tilt, Bcz if u do, ur affecting the game most especially your teamates too

[@MsCody0]

show proff

[@vit9480]

Impossible , you must be party boosted or sth

[@badrinath5306]

OK just gonna add this.there is a dependence on understanding the timing on the spikes of your allies too of u plan on this.in that case if am does hit the spike with Medusa but their is a good enough hero who could spike against him and doesn't have a counter then there's a chance things could go down.the only thing while considering a team spike level is u need to know when they will farm stuff up.basically knowing your farming pattern and the farming that he ally uses to work in tandem with u is what truly can at the end give up an accurate power spike estimation.cauae that am can farm the bf too late or Medusa can farm her eye too soon. This probably works best at 5 v 5 drafts and games.however with neutral items scaling over time...It's a bit difficult.

[@AnonW]

In Pubs, whoever wins 2/3 lanes generally wins game coz networth advantage. Can't do shit if you can't leave base to farm.

[@pexoverso]

A never think is impossible and that get me some good wins. Just yesterday we won a game that they have taken all towers. Last week I won a techies game holding for 120 minutes until my team won a good team fight. You always can win in this game, you just have to capitalise on the enemies errors and not make they yourselves.

[@berryesseen]

This guide is for rank > 6k. In my rank, there are just 10 individual heroes doing some random stuff. If your opponent has a smurf account, you auto lose. It doesn't matter if you respect power spikes. This is why I play ability draft. It's the same shit but more fun.

[@leonardosadfalleiros6737]

Great video man

[@xxyxxyyyx]

One additional thing why you lose games is, you know you have late game and farm your important items but your team fights every 2 minutes even tho they have late-game heroes and just die all the time instead of farming

[@yashpokarna4177]

Timings is something that is not easy to understand Nice video though 👍

[@bartonfang]

Pros can do so much more, because they trained and communicated to have a coherent strategy, asking amateurs to consider these things is impossible, not because of lack of trying or skill in some cases but just a gross underestimation of how hard it is to have a set game plan. Doto by nature is a team game, and individuals in pub matches simply lack the coordination needed to consistently preform. If you play a carry, you can adjust your build slightly depending on your "timing", but it doesn't matter if your team is feeding kills over and over again. If you play support, there is no game plan, but hope your carry has the map awareness to not die and jump-in when needed. You can preform consistently every game, but the outcome will still be largely dictated by the team and not by you as an individual. The nature of pub and pro games are so different, there is no point of drawing conclusions from them as a whole and think there is something to be learned.

[@rampageff6323]

Thanks for your video I get to learn something. I am dota begginer here. So could u please put another video.

[@HighLanderPonyYT]

Nice, gonna share! Thx!

[@hansalt6695]

Elwono would be proud of you