Why Duncan and Garnett's greatness was difficult for video games to capture

[@KofieWhy]

THANK YOU ALL FOR WATCHING! I APPRECIATE IT! IF YOU HAVE ANY MVP IDEAS FEEL FREE TO DROP EM

[@literally_not_kevin]

Prime Nash and Curry from downtown?

[@JohnD27018]

Kobe vs Dwade was one of my favorite video game rivalries with my buddies back in the day

[@genius179]

I have some: 1. the hit power of certain players via the hit stick like Ray Lewis, Urlacher, or Polamulu. How much strength, speed, agility, etc. played in them causing fumbles or injuries to players in the Madden game. 2. What could happen first in NCAA: taking a juggarnaut to a cupcake like say Ohio St. or cupcake to juggarnaut like idk Central Michigan 3. Who's the hardest player to make him fumble in video game history? 4. Which Randy Johnson is the best?

[@GForce85731]

Is mahomes realistic in Madden 20

[@GForce85731]

What is the greatest team of all time in 2k, using classic teams

[@gh0stm0nst3r6]

This editorial team has no business being this solid for this long. Somebody give them awards. Breath of fresh air in the weak-aaahh sports coverage world. Shouts to yall. I have more repeat watches and shares on this channel than all of youtube and it's not even close

[@KennyFrierson]

Really just shows how ass Minnesota was at getting players not named Kevin

[@kai615k]

truly took a step forward with two guys with anthony in their name

[@ericbu531]

It might help if Garnett didn't sign that 6 year 116M contract in 1997. Duncan's first extension was a 7 year 122M.

[@andresdelportillo9917]

Also didn’t help they chose Wally over spree

[@judd1130]

​@@ericbu531That contract didn't make Kevin Mchale forget how to draft

[@danielboyd1186]

They got screwed trying to get Joe Smith under the table

[@TheDiddles25]

Timmy, Kg, Sheed, Dirk, C-Webb, Amare, Elton Brand just to name a few, man the 2000s were stacked with PF talent

[@thekidfromcleveland3944]

Ron Artest, Melo, Bosh and Carlos Boozer too. I also wanna say Al Jefferson but......idk how much time he spent at the 4.

[@TheDiddles25]

Great list and it goes on and on

[@theophilusjones6024]

⁠​⁠@@thekidfromcleveland3944Ron Artest was a small forward… same with Carmelo what are you talking about???

[@fortynights1513]

How about Jermaine O’Neal?

[@machete69eddy]

Webber

[@Novedrake]

They didn’t have enough RAM back then to include an off the glass bank shot for Duncan.

[@KevD720]

Nah you just had to hold the left bumper(L1 on ps3) for the bank shot (Don’t take this serious)

[@Edgemaster72]

Losing a bunch of first round picks sucks, but I think what really brought the T-Wolves down was the NBA not wildly experimenting with new rules year after year like abolishing the shot clock and salary cap. I have it on good authority if that had happened they would have been a dynasty.

[@igotthejuicesucka7939]

Without a shot clock the games would be boring. Someone like popovich would get a lead and just hold the ball. Without a salary cap the clippers would win every year. Basketball is the least random off all professional sports, so the big market teams would win every year

[@lhfirex]

This video just makes me sad for how terrible sports video games have been for awhile.

[@FonkedUpProductions]

Waaaa those video games were great back when I was a teenager in the early and mid 00s

[@dxtremecaliber]

@@FonkedUpProductionstho NBA 2K23 and 2K24 is literally Top 10 2K games of all time if you forget the online modes cuz of MyEras and Gameplay also WWE 2K22, 2K23 and 2K24

[@Silverado-pq6xe]

gameplay still sucks though so doesnt really matter

[@christopheroconnor8390]

Kofie, MVP video idea, maybe try and see if Tom Brady could lead another franchise to 6 Super Bowls. Doing all 32 teams would be a lot so maybe focus on the teams that have never reached the Super Bowl. I think that could be a fun series.

[@jackduquette1202]

Fire idea🔥

[@jamesesterline]

Houston would be perfect since their inaugural year (2002) was also Brady's rookie season EDIT: Apparently it was actually 2001 when Brady debuted, still I think he should be put on the Texans for that challenge.

[@Hawkeyes319]

But the Patriots made super bowls before him.

[@dfp_01]

​@@jamesesterlineBrady was drafted in 2000 and played his first full season in 2001, winning Super Bowl XXXVI against the Rams (although if memory serves, that was the "tuck rule" postseason, so he shouldn't have even been in said Super Bowl).

[@uppertroupe]

@@jamesesterlineno

[@Sticktothemodels]

NBA live from 03-08 was just so special man. It was better than 2k up until the calamitous NBA elite 11 demo

[@freddycalipari4242]

not true 2k was the better game 2k5 onwards live just had the market.

[@tobznoobs]

already switched to nba 2k6, played live 06 sparingly. by nba live 08 it was trash, players are too fast, played for a few weeks while played 2k8 all summer.

[@Wooden_iguana14]

I never played either one but it’s crazy how much better the 2K game looks than the NBA live game in this video

[@MikeBNumba6]

Nah 07 was horrible and the end of the franchise. 06 was the last decent one.

[@jordanflores5687]

It wasn't better 2k was always good it's just nobody knew about it that's not to say live wasn't good it was great but 2k been the ish since it dropped

[@rocketwolves4509]

Growing up after the KG TimberWolves era, I never realized just HOW BAD those teams around him were OMG

[@CalTy316]

Yeah bruh Sam Cossell was his co-star

[@PIP...33]

@@CalTy316 Sam is HOF ?? No its young Tony Parker. Cassell broke his spinal in 2004 was already 35 old. Parker led France to silver was prime young.

[@CalTy316]

@@PIP...33 what? I was agreeing they were bad.

[@PIP...33]

@@CalTy316 Garnett played PG most of playoffs. Only help was Spree who at that time wasnt best scorer in NBA like he used to in GSW. Still Spree is very good help. Cassell never was real allstar rating but dude knows how to play. His problem is age. Like Rodman he came in NBA too old. His health was question after New Jersey and he never was great defender. KG was PG with Troy Hudson. U can google Lakers Wolves Garnett played most of the playbook as ball distributer. Of Course Malone was old, but its Karl Malone machine. U already goe against Shaq and Kobe imagine u need Mailman strongest player in history after Wilt Chamberlain.

[@PIP...33]

@@CalTy316 If that was 1997 Spree who was best scorer in NBA I doubt Kobe will have a chance and Sam Cassell from Rockets. Too bad, Glove at that time was steal 75 member for reason Sam didnt play Kobe was better than Spree and machine Mailman is just Malone best PF ever. Yes he was old but same playoff he went vs Duncan who score at will on Shaq. U can google 40 Malone vs Duncan see when Karl put arm on Tim, he bounced 5 feet of Malone body.

[@buffalopastrami]

this channel is such a godsend I feel so validated for my niche nba obsessions

[@koopakid03]

In live 06 you could switch playstyles mid game by clicking one of the analog sticks. It just slowed down the gameplay because that wasn't fluid if u had someone that had more than 2 styles of play

[@Il_Exile_lI]

A cool idea would be comparing the fictional replacements for Barry Bonds in various games. Jon Dowd in MVP, Reggie Stocker in The Show, and Joe Young in 2K.

[@inimitableminimalist]

don't forget Barry Bongs from Backyard Baseball After Dark

[@inimitableminimalist]

don't forget Barry Bongs from Backyard Baseball After Dark

[@tiredghosts]

crazy to see even the basketball games of this era weren't immune to weirdly dark, moody lighting and that gritty brown of the time

[@senororlando2]

Greatest Kofie video yet, keep the bangers coming!

[@JohnD27018]

Great vid kofie. Would love to see more retro nba video game videos from u.

[@PassivesAbseits]

The moste amazing thing about this video is, that Kofie still got his NBA 2KX version to run. I own multiple games of the franchise on steam, but can't start them, because it tries to connect to servers, that no longer exsist. And by the way: I checked a couple of years ago: You could actually buy NBA 2K versions on steam for 30 Euros, that then did not connect to the servers and refused to run... They at least fixed that problem...

[@insanospaz]

I love the breakdown in a way I can at least pretend to understand, having never heard of the teams, much less the players mentioned or focused on here.

[@genius179]

I love this series idea, great job Kofie and Secret Base!!!!!

[@danielboyd1186]

I remember thinking no way they could emulate Shawn Kemps style into a game.

[@bobdole4916]

Kofie and Jon are the best guys on this channel because they've got really nicely developed individual styles.

[@thomascourt4935]

The best way to see which virtual player is better is to create two entire teams: One of all Duncans and one of all Garnetts. Then play the two teams against each other over an 82 game season.

[@salemite]

Shoutout to Sheed from a Blazers fan. Glad he got his ring in Detroit, still hoping Dame can pull off the same once before he retires. ❤️❤️❤️

[@KevD720]

Bro I’m glad you made this video. And you thought about the body types and all that. Cuz there have been some legit convos about how good the spurs would’ve been if they had kg and vice versa with Duncan. And it’s tough to say cuz Duncan ended up in THE perfect situation for him (edit: any generational power forward lol great coaching and scouting and team build. As a youngin I hated the spurs cuz my hornets/pels were in the same division but now i respect the greatness)… but if KG was there he could’ve done that (possibly). One of the filthiest 2 way players ever. The 1 on 1 monster. And with how great Timmy Diesel was, could he have elevated the timberwolves? Those are different debates for a different day. I miss the good ol nba days and when the video game developers weren’t putting out bullshit for microtransactions “Alright grandpa go to bed”… I know I know… but it was great back in my day 😊 😂

[@jamesesterline]

Zach Duke needs a video for his MLB Power Pros counterpart, he was a decent starter for the Pirates in the late 2000s but in Power Pros he was absolutely busted with blue abilities and the fandom widely considers him the best pitcher in the game. The Japanese exclusive games Jikkyou Powerful Major League and Jikkyou Powerful Major League 2009 should be included.

[@FigureFarter]

Or how Ichiro has bad clutch in the 2007 game. Or how A-Rod and Dice-K were the best players in the game

[@jamesesterline]

​@FigureFarter the Ichiro one never made sense, at least they fixed it by giving him Clutch 4 in 2008. A-Rod was granted since he ended up winning MVP that year. Dice-K was also justified since he was unanimously the best pitcher in the NPB before he left for America though I do feel like Konami had bias towards Japanese players since a lot of them were overpowered and Konami is a Japanese company.

[@FigureFarter]

@@jamesesterline So that's why Kosuke Fukudome would always win player of the month in MLB life

[@kapowjam3462]

What a good time to remind everyone of the team that did not lose to the Shaq and Kobe Lakers. 😅

[@pakpaksugar5194]

they also only barely lost to the timmy d-parker-ginobili spurs the next year!

[@niki8280]

The Spurs were close to beating those Lakers as well but the Spurs' won't clock guy started the 0.4 countdown just a tiny bit too slow and Derek Fisher hit the impossible shot over Manu. Those Lakers almost never even made it to the finals.

[@CalTy316]

@@pakpaksugar5194They would’ve lost back to back times to them too if Derek Fisher was sick or something😂😂😂

[@relicdad88]

​@@CalTy316u sucked it up n played sick back then especially playoff game. Even if it was only jus last min of da 4th quarter u suited up jus in case.

[@CalTy316]

@@relicdad88 Brother they weren’t letting players with the flu play regardless. Everybody knows MJ was really hungover. Dirk played sick in 2011 but I’m pretty sure he had to lie😂😂😂

[@BlackHatPodcast]

Well it's about time someone Finally did it, been waiting for this video for like 19 years.

[@D3usExMachina]

This is such a good series, getting into the Nitty gritty of stats while also laying rest to all of those fights over who was better in X game. Would an evolution of the 3 point shot in video games be a possibility?

[@MerkhVision]

Thats an interesting video idea!

[@dfp_01]

Kofie has delivered us another banger 🙌

[@Dwayne12345]

@8:12 NBA Live in the early 00s had a shot range value. We found a way to edit that on PC but I think on consoles it was hidden. So your FG rating is how good of a jump shooter you are and your shot range (in ft.) is how far out you can shoot. I think it extended to 25 ft.

[@jman_123]

Insane Bron is still at it when games were like this

[@zachyokules9074]

we love you kofie youre amazing!

[@gregoryjames7696]

Great job on this video. Excellent job.

[@Alex-bf4ts]

KOFIE secret base video!!!!!🔥🔥

[@CoreyZ232]

Never stop, Kofie 🙏

[@EriolGaurhoth]

Question: it seems like in this experiment, you're playing the 360 version of 2K6 and the GameCube version of Live 06. Is there a reason for this choice? More particularly, is the 360 version of Live 06 essentially the same, gameplay-wise, as the GameCube one? I ask because often when 2 versions of the game are released for 2 different console generations, the earlier gen version is a simplified version, and a common theme seems to be that Live uses simplified-to-a-fault mechanics, and I wanted to verify if that isn't a function of it being on an older console, and that the 360 release has these same features. Comparing two 360 versions (or two GameCube/PS1/Original Xbox versions) seems like it would be a more fair comparison, as the other one would invariably have to cut corners on a weaker console.

[@footballrestored171]

Ah, I see you named your created player after the famous Euro star "Crapface" (pronounced as "Crep-fashay"). It's about time he got some recognition.

[@DomClancy]

This is what you get when you have MORE THAN ONE company making games - innovating not stagnation

[@JieuxArmeni]

I feel like both of those guys would have been Centers in any other generation besides the one where they'd had to've guarded Shaq.

[@smoothkid765]

2k6 just looked so much better as well as played better

[@JayBeingNatural]

Nice to see NBA Live introduce it's own version of the Madden X-Factors in 06, and have it be an issue there 😂

[@mrblue___]

Who remembers nba shootout 04?

[@fortynights1513]

Back when the power forward position was more of a versatile big as opposed to a small forward with size. I’ve heard Duncan could have been labeled a center but was labeled a power forward because of his early years with David Robinson

[@marcusjames9432]

Live 07 KG was one of the greatest video game athletes ever.

[@Lordjunon]

I know its the gamecube but whoo boy those NBA live Graphics feel like early PS2 or late PS1

[@MafiaAt2amLIVE]

Never knew I’d be interested in videos like these yet here I am video liked and subscribed

[@samandpackers]

I see Kofie, I watch.

[@collegeboysinc]

This very specific topic is so needed

[@AlbLepRin]

Timmy is the GOAT, top 5 all time.

[@lux-px2fp]

How is he the goat if he's top 5?

[@cuttaman8657]

This Timmy revisionist history is wild. He’s top 15 man

[@nocturne311]

@@cuttaman8657Uh, no. He was top ten for most fans and analysts by 2003 after winning two titles, two MVPs and two Finals MVPs. Duncan was the best player on four title teams. He’s top 6-7 minimum and has an argument for top five. You just don’t understand basketball as well as you think you do and therefore, probably don’t understand why Duncan was so impactful.

[@geezushasrisen]

@@lux-px2fpGreatest power forward of all time by two miles. Not the greatest player of all time; even though you could make the argument if you wanted.

[@AlbLepRin]

@@lux-px2fp GOAT of the 2000's along with Kobe, it's between them

[@hellcatsaymeow2095]

that’s crazy i didn’t know this was kofie that’s fire

[@SoloDoloh]

i haven’t watched this video yet, but i can guarantee neither of these players compare to 2k12 Wilt Chamberlain. To be fair, i was 6 years old, playing against my cousin with the sliders maxed. And my controller was unplugged. But im sure he was amazing. Probably.

[@AbstractMarcher]

Fantastic video as always Kofie. KG for me, but Tim Duncan was a force too. Still so sad that the Front Office F'ed up and ruined the KG years. Imagine if we had those picks, who knows what could have happened.

[@tomkmb4120]

These videos are always so good man, nice work

[@MrPixelMonster]

Great video concept, please do more!

[@taylorbryant668]

This was magnificent. Throughly enjoyed it.

[@markjackson6431]

Rewinder: 2006 Orange Bowl 3OTs Beef History: Lindros vs Flyers Organization Overlap: Greatest College Football Coach (Saban) and the Greatest NFL Coach (Belichick) coaching in the same division Beef History: Michael Jordan and Isiah Thomas Beef History: Phil Jackson and Pat Riley Untitled: Reggie Miller Untitled: Tracy McGrady Untitled: Ken Griffey Junior Untitled: Carl Yastrzemski Untitled: Ted Williams Untitled: Jim Kelly Collapse: Early 90s Bills Prism: Steph Curry and all those mid major players Rewinder: The Catch By Willie Rewinder: Wide Right I, Wide Right II Rewinder: Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds breaking the respective HR record(s) Untitled: Don Nelson

[@shakarussanders9911]

NBA Live 06 is one of the best! I still own mine

[@mrproki93]

Love this ❤🎉! Keep it up, Kofie ❤

[@resco001]

The preview image can fit a “Duncan and Garnett cursing compilation vol1” as well

[@danielboyd1186]

Great video man. Love the content.

[@jackfry]

KG is my all time fav!

[@vinceshelman4712]

I NEED to see a prost vs senna beef history

[@mannyboy922010]

Steve Nash vs. J Kidd for the next one! (Nash clears)

[@ethanshelton2261]

Loving this series. Please do Messi/Ronaldo next. It’s the perfect fit

[@homiewhat1633]

Kofie goin places

[@charlie7756]

kofie you’re my hero

[@MVPdave50]

See Tim Duncan and I click.

[@BeastofRock3]

This is a cool series!

[@aloe-aurora]

18:19 Tim Duncan winning Def player of the year without an All Defense team nod is wild.

[@funkyruben4131]

Great vid

[@pogimax]

@KofieWhy Awesome repping Sola Cafe!

[@bradenjuengel9104]

Some developer in 2005 watched the Spurs and thought "yeah, Nazr Mohammed feels like about an 81." That's how good those Spurs were.

[@JP-rl4bc]

Stat wise on that MVP year for Garnett was clear imo. 14 rpg with 2+ steals/blocks per game is dominant.

[@DeTAYL.]

Does KG get 5 rings like Duncan if you place him on those Spurs squads instead of Timmy?

[@ryandavis8658]

No

[@zacharynoe496]

Nope.

[@akshaysundru482]

Nah, could probably get 3 or 4 but not 5. Doesn't get 1999 or 03 but could probably have actually won in 2004, plus 2005 and 2007.

[@connormacleod1490]

He won't win one. If you want to beat Shaq and Kobe you need physicality and dominance and KG lack physicality and was not dominant.

[@Sticktothemodels]

@@connormacleod1490those Kings teams were not physically dominant.

[@danielkushner5963]

Someone needs to get Kofie a pop screen

[@Dr.Deagle.]

I love my guy Kofie

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

I had NBA Live 96 and I had to create my own Tim Duncan.

[@pw6959]

Garnett would be shooting a ton of threes today I think

[@CTEagleCeltic]

I played with the Wolves back then, you would run Cassel/Garnett pick and Roll, with Wally hitting threes in the corner… or just KG in the post… it wasn’t easy, but they were good enough to have fun.

[@JustinLeeper]

Props for looking at the camera. You may want to glance off every now and then, though. Think of the camera like a person you’re talking to. You’re not making eye contact the entire time. Content-wise, why not make a custom team, alternate having Duncan and KG on it, and take on the same opponent? Seems to make more sense than the reverse-team gimmick.

[@Dman4901]

These games were special...the jerseys moving, sweat higher definition graphics....good times

[@ianolson8896]

KOFIE ON A SECRET BASE LETS GO

[@steelcurtain187]

This was a fun one and awesome 😎

[@Gogetta80]

Very interesting concept for a video

[@sailorguy23]

Hey MVP, whats with the Magallanes penguin in the background?

[@johncrosby8735]

The freestyle superstar animation was hilarious to abuse on NBA Live. I could make threes with shaq consistently using his dunk animation.

[@DiamondDust132]

Oh, man. I forgot how weird those NBA Live models looked haha. They always looked more like NBA Jam chibis. Games were great though but yeah, even as a kid, teh graphics always tripped me out.

[@Philboh8]

Yo why did you use the old version of Live 06 and the newer version of 2K6?

[@Brah42]

TD was cold in backyard basketball.

[@uvbuvduoslim]

I’m a spurs fan. But i always picked KG first overall on the fantasy draft during these years.

[@blakederby3932]

The Wade and Shaq Miami Heat Kofie, not the other way around

[@giakhangtruong54]

22:40 I want Kofie to create a theoretical "best" player possible in basketball.

[@ErnestTokes]

This is pretty cool

[@lorenzo5791]

Ahhh, the mid-2000s. Back when monetization in sports video games was nowhere near the realm of possibility.

[@JUnit41484]

Idk who to compare him too, but my favorite video game basketball player of all time is AI. Dude was unstoppable on those 2k throwback teams, and he had no teammates.

[@PuchuKt]

You could talk about how 2k somewhat predicted steph curry and his videogame numbers

[@chrissullivan6572]

Kobe, Vince, Pierce, Stackhouse, and T-Mac were the kings of the ill advised 21 footer.

[@staidenofanarchy]

New 2nd fave series (Weird Rules Supremacy)

[@ThaSouthMU]

Idk, Duncan was an absolute monster on NBA Live 00 and 01. I liked to play locked on the point guard position and I remember vividly having to consistently come down into the paint and essentially double box this man out or he would avg 15 offensive rebounds and score 20 points just on put-backs in the finals playing with the Bulls. I loved those early 2000 Live games. Best basketabll exp ever..

[@ThibaultDelattre]

Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett were good basketball players. There, I said it.