Why Elise Support Trends in KR Challenger

[@Sungod00]

Whether you have a good ADC or not, Elise support is one of those rare picks that can solo carry games without the help of anyone. This is the pick that has the most freedom in the entire game thanks to her strong dives, early duelings and snowballing. Actually since I started playing it, a lot of other KR Challengers started picking it up as well. Counters: Blitzkrank, Good Lux/Seraphine

[@LoLDobby]

www.deeplol.gg/summoner/KR/Sungod-KR2 youtube.com/@sungod00 discord.com/invite/sungod Feel free to ask him anything about Elise support.

[@mrbioober]

Would you be able to explain why Blitzcrank is a counter, since like you said Elise has good duels so I would assume Blitzcrank would have a hard time.

[@bashvash]

@@mrbioober that and wouldnt spiderlings catch blitz q?

[@Ayalolis]

⁠@@mrbiooberhe can grab you back when you rapel to safety, he disrupts you with E, can pull you off his carry and mana shield doesnt let you burst him most of the time, getting grabbed + E + silence from R= death, getting silenced when you go in also means death most of the time, at least, that was my experience playing elise into blitz jn the past few days, its not unplayable levels but he has way more counterplay to your bs than most supports have

[@Sungod00]

@@mrbioober everything about Blitz counters Elise, he has anti-burst, silence if you get too close, and if you ever get grabbed you can’t use E to run away, since he just chains cc you. You’re right tho, only benefit is that spiderlings can block q

[@penguin5848]

Been playing Elise support for fun sometimes since mythic items existed, it’s insane. Level 3 you can just all in and Elise existed means adc can never be alone or they will die under tower.

[@imonutiy]

Same here

[@tajin.080]

Same here, been playing everfrost elise since then

[@xenomorphegg4409]

Same, Night Harvester my beloved

[@quieness]

I thnk this is like the 3rd or 4th time this pick has sprouted in popularity. Is nice when niche weird picks resurect like this. I remember when this came up even in pro play matches sometimes

[@TheLactobacillus]

"can 1 vs 1 the enemy ADC" Just like every other role and champion in the game.

[@kentlab3850]

Yeah, idk why it needs to be specified

[@Thomruix]

? They obviously mean Elise is among the group of supps that can do that, Tahm Kench can also 1v1 the enemy ADC unlike Janna/Nami/Rakan etc, even Pyke can't solo an ADC without assistance (unless he's fed).

[@ciciosweep]

​@@Thomruixwhat? No way! You are telling me enchantress supps, the ones who are made to shield and defend your carry CAN'T kill the enemy carry by their own? That's nuts Now, where are the madmans that make sona full ap in the chat? I know you are lurking around

[@Thomruix]

@@ciciosweep That's why I mentioned Pyke afterwards, genius.

[@lirvaen]

It's crazy how adcs cannot be weak for a single season without the entire adc playerbase crying about it. Like, your role has been the main character for 7 seasons straight, shut up.

[@yetterism60]

KR still 100years behind euw in off-meta classic

[@eebbaa5560]

because they’re addicted to playing meta lol

[@WIDOWEDBYCHOICE]

​@@eebbaa5560not more than EU, metas are pretty different from a region to another. But our server is as disgusting meta wise above master rn

[@Elvoblue]

And your region is how many years behind a world trophy again? Exactly.

[@rai7323]

and EU still 100 years behind in game knowledge.

[@eebbaa5560]

@@Elvoblue you are not korean lil bro 😭

[@vanhanphan624]

Lehends used to played a lot of Elise supp back then, hoping he'll play this in pro scene

[@JaysCashMoney]

Ah yes, the champion that spawns in the game with a zhonya's at level 1

[@marquistf1996]

Im an elise one trick and ive been looking into the support role lately. This video has come at the absolute perfect time. Will try this out and report back. Thanks for your videos! Love from NYC. So its two days later after my original comment and I literally got to an entire new rank after being hardstuck because of this pick! Looking forward to truly mastering this and seeing how far I can climb.

[@LolLol-bu7cj]

try elise mid too its p strong. aft lv 3, if the enemy has less than 70% health, you can literally push and dive them under tower, even if you miss stun.

[@louis-charlescantin1610]

8:28 it should be written "Unlike" instead of "Unless" I also wanna say I love your content it always brighten my day and I share with my friends, I hope you keep going Dobby :)

[@LoLDobby]

Oh my fault . Thank you :)

[@arcanon7781]

1:36 cleanse synce

[@tallestGirafffe]

It's funny that ADC is such a dogshit role that abandoning them is a valid strategy, but the moment they show up in other lanes Riot will instantly nerf them into the ground. Edit: let me spell it out for the clueless. This strat only works because ADC is kept so weak that you can give the enemy ADC (a Korean challenger ADC) a free lane every single game and still consistently beat them.

[@moonage_]

and low IQ toplaners will go like "deserved for playing adc nyehehehe 🤓🤓🤓"

[@cnaro8073]

Ragebait

[@skec_the_rat]

Classic PDF top laners

[@xkey_blade9558]

Your statement makes absolutely no sense. ADC players have such a double standard. I remember a time back in Season 8 when bruisers were played in the ADC role, and who cried first? ADC players. According to ADC players, every other laner should be able to play against any class, except for the ADC role-there, only ADCs should be allowed, right? 😂 I have no problem if ADCs are only supposed to be played in the bot lane, but then let's make it fair: only bruisers and tanks on the top lane, and only mages and assassins in the mid lane. Let's balance the game that way. How about giving champs debuffs for playing in the wrong lane during the first 10 minutes?

[@nahuelantinaoschuster9863]

now all my games in platinum 4 will have a Elise trolling on support ToT

[@adrienlmps3744]

5:48 how the hell does he use e on varus from that range 😳

[@NepNeppy]

Her E ability has a strange interaction. When you use it, it creates a circle and this has 2 notes. 1. If you Recast it onto an enemy inside the Circle she will try to reposition herself Behind the target (similar to Zed ult positioning) 2. If you Recast on a target that is slightly outside of the Circle (like that Varus) she will reposition herself right by the edge as close to the target rather than behind. Some people will mistake Elise E circle as What you can target, but its really just your positioning you will land next to. If the target is far out the circle then it will not work as you cannot target them. Note: Her E ability reveals a 900 range radius Ability Rescast (2nd E) has a 825 range HOWEVER her Right-Click has a range of 900 (attack command) which people are not aware of as well. League Fandomwiki sure has a lot of interesting details as well.

[@adrienlmps3744]

@@NepNeppy you're the goat thank you so much 🫡❤

[@PedroCastrodri]

have you thought about uploading a Viktor guide? he seems kinda op at the moment, and a lot of people are playing him because of his visual update

[@Logizx]

I have been playing Elise support with almost exact same setup for the entire season so far. I Go Eyeball since Elise snowballs very hard from assists and kills, for me its Q Start tho, with Second Rune Page Nimbus and Scorch. (Sometimes i go Precision Tree Second tho and i dont go for Atk Speed Shard i dont think its needed.) On First Base its always Boots + Darkseal, if you can buy more just continue with Pen Boots buy / otherwise Amp Tome. You Snowball extremely hard and you have 1v1 threat on squishy champs when your fed. I fell in Love with the champ after getting bored of Pyke :)!

[@plneet3504]

Cammile support is still extremely underrated, the nerfs other then her R were placebo and she is so broken with or against certain comps. Can still win level 1, 2, or 3 in lane, still can beat enemy jungle with a level down

[@converser]

Elise is also one of those champs where you can play till Challenger and find people who still forget how her Rappel works.

[@wyjebnik2zuk148]

honestly weird that this pick was not discovered before when you think about it, ive mained her in jg for years and also didnt really thought about her in support but she seems even stronger then camille used to be in that role thanks to those great dives, insane roaming potential and how hard she snowballs.

[@wyjebnik2zuk148]

okay reading some comments i see that this pick is not so newly discovered xdd

[@plneet3504]

Cammile support is still great imo, nerfs to bruiser items, cammile, sudden impact and she still has one of the best early rune pages with resolve. Cammile support is really good into certain and brings alot of utilty and damage still, with these supports you can legit win by invading the enemy jungle or tracking them, havent played in a bit but hail of blades might not count for as resets which Cammile has 2, Cammile sucks top lane though imo

[@UziiTube]

Sivir + Elise is very strong. Strong wave clear and burst damage. Level 6 ult to keep in range. Sivir ER rush allows Elise to leave Sivir 2v1 and shove every wave.

[@Lily-Eevee]

Another time support has proven to be unbalanced

[@sayiralieber9571]

elise support exist since season 2

[@Bubbble_Bear]

I have been calling it that Elise would be a good support pick, though I only played it when mythic items were a thing. My strat was early game, I just play like an elise would (burst damage, tower dives etc etc) and after I get Everfrost, CC Chain with burst felt disgusting. now that it's a prevalent pick it just feels weirdly validating that something II was crack picking actually is a neat pick

[@NuageMH]

I remember playing her early S3, nothing new she's always been a good supp

[@HassanKhan-wq3tk]

used to play a ton of elise, after jg got reworked she was pretty weak before she got her buffs so i tried her out support, im definitely nowhere near as good at her as this guy but i can confirm that shes super strong in the right situations

[@dedt4932]

now i need to see Leblanc support

[@plneet3504]

I have seen a third of my games as leblanc support, surprisingly annoying to go against like Zac support hard to kill and suprising cc potential and dmg

[@efgg3212]

played elise sup with ashe ult on Ultimate Spellbook, it was SO strong! Starting lvl 3 is even better!

[@katsu9738]

Also, Elise is one of those champions that performs really well even with low gold, and she doesn't scale well to begin with. She can have just Sorc shoes and chunk you hard if she lands her full combo. 1 full AP item? Anyone that's not a tank or bruiser is going to get destroyed. This pick is actually genius.

[@tunvm4893]

Lehends has been doing Elise support since season 5 if I remember correctly

[@PhyNxFyre]

"Elise mastery is a must" while showing some very questionable E's

[@giorgospapadopoulos7033]

Finally, my season 4 gold elo strat gets some spotlight.

[@itsmimi115]

Elise supp has been my for fun pick for 2 years xD i would always swear it wasnt troll lmao

[@LolLol-bu7cj]

used to play this alot back in s8-s10 fun times

[@AdamKissAK]

Bro i cant belive it i spam elise support in eune grandmaster now its gonna be banned and nerfed im cursed

[@Makkle4000]

Time to dust off my Victorious Elise skin I got many moons ago

[@hinamiravenroot7162]

Elise's spider form always felt like it had nothing to do. I dislike the spider Q and W, as you essentially just press the button when it's off cooldown and auto attack. It doesn't feel very much like an ambushing spider after E. You just rappel then chip. Human form has so much more fun things to do imo. Landing skill shots, spider scout, stacking babies, the venom. They all feel great.

[@athospomier6989]

Its just an assasin support, no more. The meme of "if CC is supp" it's real.

[@Xuyesi]

This.

[@Roflmao6173]

this is not even remotely true, its her rappel that makes her so "strong". Just like pantheon and his old e

[@doobbobdood]

8 mins ago damn. Wasnt she played a bit the whole year tho? I think i heard about elise top too

[@YukinaMain]

Lehends did this meta. He became known for doing this Elise Support

[@BronzeAnalystTM]

I mean, it has a long range great stun and a really good escape tool, it was a matter of time until people picked it up as sup

[@whey1660]

Great now I have bronze Elise support this is so awesome I love having Elise supports!

[@ajkhan0]

Finally. For me Elise's kit screams support

[@cadenglick7783]

This has been a thing for years. Why is the KR server so resistant to change?

[@synsx]

xD figured id see a video like this when i checked sungods acc a while back and saw elise sp spams

[@alvinluk9724]

One day my viego, evelynn, illaoi support will show up here

[@Za_Phantom]

6:07 woe, spider be upon ye

[@drestau2019]

Righ when I started dominating soloq with my qiyana support.

[@Zerophoenix1]

anything within reason can be good. the meta is controlled by culture and its a never ending arms race in a complicated world of rock paper scissors. yes im high

[@stochastic42]

I don't agree with blitz counter. You have e to dodge hook, spiderlings to block hook for adc, and when blitz pulls your adc you can stun enemy adc and all in or stun blitz before he uses e.

[@duxtons]

Can I ask why not electrocute?

[@plneet3504]

Dark harvest is consistent to stack for supports in 2 v 2 and roaming, ignores levels more and you can procing it in team fights while not having the rune in cool down, you could say depends with comp but like most supports get more value from DH with the playstyle or the role

[@Draxis32]

Finally people caught on that this champion has BS movespeed with spider form, a quick stun and invul on the same skill

[@yukiitsumaki3689]

ATP any character for other lanes are better than actual adcs or supports in lane

[@thestrongest313]

If they nerf elise human E hitbox and spider E. She's dead in support Also riot should'nt give 100 ap to every ap items

[@Elephanthobo]

okay but those things are crucial to jungle elise too? It's not the numbers, it's the champ itself that's a problem. Elise's kit is a symptom of 2012 jungle meta, where junglers had to be functional with no gold.

[@ErreGamer]

aww shit, here we go again!

[@sayiralieber9571]

welcome to season 3 edward kekw

[@maximdecimus2258]

ADCs are a risky investment. No matter how much support they get or gold funneled to them, they just die if any other champion hits them.

[@moonage_]

Yeah and their chance of carrying decreases further if supps actively play stuff that doesn't benefit the ADC

[@Andrea286x]

Been playing elise support and mid for abt 1.5y now haha

[@KaiSaNara]

My duo did this years ago 😢

[@another1118]

I always win with Elise support A year ago I just stop doing it because my adc will run it down cuz i picked elise support

[@d_dayne_e]

nobody wants to play actual supports cause it feels so useless now, last season was so perfect as a support main now it feels you have 0 impact as a traditional pick

[@trytytka88]

time to pick this in my games and run it down hell yeah

[@volkan9799]

Just play SUPPORT SYLAS WITH DARK HARVEST. ITS MAGNIFICENT

[@kentlab3850]

8:25 jhin is 9/5 and elise 5/10 jhin has 2 level advantage, jhin gets killed by the support, not even close, i swear adc role is a joke

[@kioken101]

Jhin was one auto away from killing Elise and Elise was one auto from not killing Jhin, it's quite literally as close as it could possibly be.

[@kentlab3850]

​@@kioken101while you're right and it's closer than i said in that regard, i was thinking about how she could do that in the middle of his team. Nothing surprising tho, adcs get fucked by supports 24/7 now

[@Siigrit]

FIREST

[@TwoToo_]

Ah yes the good old elise that I've been playing for god knows how long is finally socially accepted. Good to know, i hope my team can see this and understand how Elise dives work

[@aoitenshi1]

This strat counters me hard as an ADC so I hope she never comes to my region.

[@tonybao9088]

Everything just possible in Korea

[@felchamp]

Dont pick elise below emerald. Your team doesnt know how to play with elise support

[@justinpark3996]

oh no... in the last 10 days of ranked?

[@DanielTheProducer]

Esto es lit gracias al Elmillor XD

[@vonwaq]

Lehends did this in 1372

[@doobbobdood]

8:27 its "unlike" instead of "unless" 👻

[@Humandefect]

What is support even at this point? Yeah "support" that somehow finds time to go top lane and gank and burst down the enemy. Casually dealing more damage than your adc and getting more kills

[@NepNeppy]

Support for actual support mains = Enchanters or Engaging supports Supports for non-actual support mains = Just play any DPS champion that you don't want play in a 1v1 Lane or JG. ex- Lux Mid vs Support, same role overall just starting item and resources are different(exp/level/gold)

[@ペイン氏]

Should ask Riot what's the point of ADC still existing in this game first. They are more like supports who are only good at destroying turrets and doing drags. From my own experience, picking support for ADC is less worthy than roaming or DPS support.

[@HuyTran-tr9uq]

It just like leblanc support

[@hedgehog2565]

any champs with good CC can be supp . dpends on how your playstyle 😂 im j4 supp

[@dadadadadadadadabathman2300]

“Unless the previous Camille support” Not ‘unless’, yes ‘unlike’ Happy new year Dobby! 🎉

[@HazardProfile]

Warning Warning Warning 🤖🤖🤖

[@Mexican00b]

when always bronze strategics are becoming challenger level.. wth is going on with LoL? xD

[@incog_nemui]

every1 can 1 v 1 a adc.

[@eyesuck8]

i got banned for actually trying to make this work HAHAHAHA. IF ONLY I COULD LAND E

[@romanaptal]

doesnt work in low elo ppl get mad and int no game knollege

[@angelfury8182]

Zyra is still a better support than Elise

[@Elyon.]

people about to get a champ nerfed noone plays, because its to weak in the wrong hands and decent in good hands. great, make her even more weak...

[@mrfamilyfriendly4370]

haven't watched but ban agurin for this ig?

[@ChillGuy-ARAM]

nice try!

[@yousseftristankhelifi6030]

Elm qué coño has creado...

[@joshabrogena1240]

idk how to feel about this 😭 i did consider spamming Elise Support once out of frustration (and inspired by Lehends) when I was looking for someone who has total agency over solo q games. I have 700k on her as I was a Jungler But not like this 😭I don't want her out of the Jungle 😭She shouldn't be dealing so much damage when she plays support. She was splitpushing bot inhib and 100-0 me late game like what can riot do if she goes out of hand😭 Perhaps they stunt her mana regen and add conditional CDr on her abilities? but okay let's see her shine in the last few days of the season 😭

[@firstblood400]

As an Elise main, I've noticed she's not as strong in the jungle anymore. This was exactly what I needed. Thanks Dobby

[@QinFu符秦]

Anime spider so What!? I will never watch that

[@jimadler2430]

Remember before you queue up boys and girls: you aren't Korean!

[@lai5478]

jungle?🤣Match game

[@naekano1488]

SECOND

[@naekano1488]

Koreans never fails to disappoints

[@wade2589]

Instead of making this game an actual 5v5 and rely on an adc player which is very likely to be an stupid ass cry baby to carry the game, making the game 4v4 is actually easier, is not like solo Q environment allows adc to carry anyways

[@DrewLewis-p5j]

second tho

[@RafaelREDXIII]

This pick sucks, don't do anything for the team. Trash.

[@plneet3504]

It's great for dives and it's like you have extra abilities level 3, it relies on your team to play around it's more for fun low elo

[@destructaphoenix6679]

I wish one day Elise Qs me