Why "Entry" Level Jobs Now Need 3-5 Years Experience

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Stop me if you’ve heard this one before.
An entry level job paying eight dollars an hour with no benefits at an unremarkable company… Oh and they want you to have at least three years’ experience in a similar role and preferably a masters degree... Searching for a job is a difficult and time-consuming task. Most Americans do not have enough savings to survive for more than two weeks without going into debt which means it is also stressful.
No matter how efficient the hiring process is made you are never going to have fun looking for a job and nothing can change that, but the corporate world has started to introduce a lot of obstacles that make the JOB of FINDING a JOB as painful as possible.
It’s also simply bad business. Attracting the right talent is vital for business success. If businesses make their application process too difficult, they are going to filter out everybody but the most desperate candidates, which are rarely the BEST candidates. Companies that ask for multiple years of experience from applicants applying for entry level jobs also expose themselves to a similar risk. It might sound advantageous for the business to get an employee with years of experience that they can pay like a fresh graduate, but company management frequently overlook the reason that these applicants are looking for entry level jobs in a field they have been working in for years is that they are not that good at their job and they need to keep moving companies before their poor performance catches up with them.
A recent study conducted by Portland State University and published by the Harvard Business Review found that overqualified candidates did not outperform the control group and that paying significantly under market rates for talent will cost most businesses more in other areas. Multiple rounds of interviews also take paid hours from HR, hiring managers and third-party recruiters. Recruiters work on a commission basis for successfully placed candidates, but if a company makes candidates go through multiple rounds of interviews the recruiters can ask for a higher fee or they will be incentivized to send their best recruits to companies that have a simple hiring process so they can get paid quickly and reliably. It’s bad business and good company managers know it but there are three reasons why they still do it anyway.
The first reason is that it has become too easy to apply for a job.
Online job boards make it easy for applicants to apply to hundreds of jobs every day based on convenient filters that let them search results by industry, seniority, experience and salary range. Companies have attempted to adapt to this by having landing pages where users can fill in their details into the company’s own database by manually completing an online form. These forms typically ask for information that should be included on any good resume, but it enters it in a way that can be read by a computer instead of being read by a hiring manager saving them the time of manually going through thousands of applications by hand to find the attributes they are looking for in a candidate. The back end of these forms will enable the hiring company search through candidates by a similar set of filters than the candidates themselves used to find the job posting, evening the arms race between the volume of applications and the people that check those applications. This practice has become so common that there are now AI tools like Zety, Job Scan, and Rezi that check resumes against job posts to make sure that they are appealing to the AI systems that check resumes before the hiring manager does. So, an AI will write a resume to satisfy another AI to stand out against thousands of other applications also written and checked by AI.
So it’s time to learn How Money Works to find out why entry level jobs all of a sudden require three years’ experience and how you can take advantage of this to benefit your own career.

[@HowMoneyWorks]

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[@Eskabar]

Brilliant

[@chandler1473]

Is there a video on this channel explaining the backstory here, why this channel exists, who started it and how?

[@donotlike4anonymus594]

You can allways just do a basic gender change surgery and it really opens doors for you a tiny investment relatively speaking.. just look at Dylan's budlight ad... I bet they paid HIM a ton of money A ton... HE really did profit from such a tiny investment Who needs experience or talent or even basic minimal competence in our modern clownworld...

[@donotlike4anonymus594]

Also btw almost forgot.... stop fucking misgendering HIM! You are aware that misgendering goes against youtube's policy Dalyn may be away but it doesn't others can't advocate on his behalf... Enjoy the world you helped create/(or more accurately encurage/tolerate)

[@jaredyoung5353]

Tax the Rich and we need more unions. The free market isn’t helping our generation.

[@nlpnt]

My favorite was the one that demanded 5 years coding experience in a programming language that had only existed for 3 years.

[@skysetblue9578]

Wow what even-

[@triadwarfare]

Probably they're looking for someone who had coded other programming languages before too.

[@jasonsilvia8401]

@triadwarfare nope I saw the post they wanted someone with 5 years experience in docker and the person applying posted on Twitter saying this is insane when the company saw the tweet they made a petty response another person replied and said no that's literally impossible the company then replied who are you to say that? It was the person who invented docker

[@bradhaines3142]

​@@triadwarfareit's a pretty well known story. turns out the person who posted the job had no idea how long that language had existed so they just shat a number off the top of their head. of course they shrugged it off when they realized the mistake

[@BlogingLP]

And he even talked to the guy who invented said programming language in the first place, according to Reddit

[@shaymalchione809]

I became a certified dental assistant & could not find a job. Every job I applied for told me I needed 1-2 years working experience. I asked well how am I supposed to get this experience if I can’t even get a foot in the door. I was told I should volunteer. I was a single mom with bills. I never found a job & it went to waste. They say people are too lazy to work but they’re too lazy to train people.

[@rohan7969]

@@mattthx50 That's a terrible idea, 95% of Onlyfans creators only get payed 50-100 dollars a month and become an outcast with their friends and family along with killing any chance of a meaningful relationship.

[@lovelydiva06]

👏🏾

[@baronzad2056]

@@rohan7969 I'm already social outcast enough to do OF without drawbacks, but too uggo to actually be an OF model ;A;

[@OriginalContent89]

The same thing happened to me with medical billing and coding. I even moved to an area with a lot more opportunities but it turned out that all the time and money I spent to get certified was a wase of time because the only way to get in is experience or nepotism

[@annabelconstantine1241]

Well I hope u try getting another certificate or something. Try workforce 1 to see what u like c

[@splatbot8091]

"Nobody is to blame" No the companies are to blame, full stop. It's clear as day

[@nixes6240]

Network is to blame especially foreigners who only hire their own kind. Ever seen office or desk jobs with full south asian idnians?

[@stevencats7137]

@@nixes6240I mean that’s an irrelevant observation. That’s clearly not the issue here

[@ROVA00]

@@nixes6240irrelevant… but also seems true from my experience. At the company I work for, there is a group of Indians who keep giving each other promotions. One got promoted to manager, and that person promoted the other one, then they both started promoting their Indian team members.

[@MrJoshsss]

Don't blame companies for everything blame them for the things they actually are at fault for

[@stevencats7137]

@@MrJoshsss for profit privately owned companies are fundamentally always at fault. Their success literally depends on being as greedy and damaging as possible

[@williampurser4669]

Yeah, applying for a job is an absolute joke anymore. Saw a posting for a company I wanted to work for, read down the qualifications, and realized I was a 1 for 1 match with what they wanted. It was so precise, in fact, that I even had the specific degree they called out from the specific college they called out. Not a word back.

[@ashtoncasedy3237]

Probably they think you faked it. If at all something is so specific, I would get skeptical too. However, I would take the initiative to call the Candidate up front and have an interview scheduled to verify stuff.

[@rcslyman8929]

@@ashtoncasedy3237 More likely missed some key words the algorithm was looking for. Or it wasn't set up correctly in the first place. Getting File 13'd as a copy/pasta would be attributing brain cells to HR.

[@anelbegic2780]

​@@rcslyman8929 This here, businesses in their own folly have totally ignored all aspects of job apllicants for the last few years if they don't say the rught keywords. It's especiallz annoying if they axpect college graduates to know them all too.

[@guardianoftexas5188]

Most companies that have the exact requirements you have they also think you’ll get bored in that position you applied to, and leave. And tend to skip over that candidate.

[@KaoruSugimura]

Even if you meet the sheet requirements it doesn't mean you'll get hired. Something they don't say you have to be or that they are looking for is X gender/age/race. DEI and Affirmative Action exists and companies waste a lot of money on this garbage. You can tick every box, have no criminal record and even have recommendations from past work/education experience but still fail to get a call back simply because you weren't Black, a woman etc. Meanwhile, people who don't meet those requirements can land that same job you were more fit for. Hence why people say 'Didn't Earn It' when DEI is brought up.

[@maritimans]

And then employers say that no one wants to work anymore. That’s because applying for a job is a full-time job in itself.

[@perfectallycromulent]

old rich people have been complaining about the laziness of the young since before writing existed, but i think there are ancient greek examples out there.

[@PinkDiamond7777777]

Employers or Kim Kardashian ?

[@ReizePrimus]

@@perfectallycromulent and they are complaining only because they hired a bunch of clueless cronies to handle their staff hiring processes for them instead of either vetting candidates qualitatively themselves or getting someone actually qualified to vet candidates.

[@jimmyshakes420]

​@@perfectallycromulent, the worst part is 99% of those lamenting the good old days when people were happy to kill themselves working for a nickle have never spent half a day working half as hard as the laziest worst modern employee in America. They'll tell ya they earned it, and they even believe they did. Truth is most started life with far more than they could possibly piss away.

[@tiborsipos1174]

At least that can be shrugged off. When boomers you meet in person (or family members) roast your for being incompetent, because "b4cK 1n mY daYz" hard work made results...

[@thetrainhopper8992]

“But you should just call the business and show initiative you lazy Millennial!” Job application: DO NOT CONTACT US!

[@speeddemon7678]

I'm Gen-z

[@shimrrashai-rc8fq]

@@speeddemon7678 the script is the same! the system's got us all in its jaws no matter who we are!

[@princessmarlena1359]

That first quote is said by the out of touch old farts who helped cause this problem in the first place.

[@cr4yv3n]

I actually TRIED that. They told me to send them an email lol

[@PinkDiamond7777777]

!!!! 😂

[@sarahmem444]

The other huge issue is that jobs don't train people anymore. They expect candidates to have years of experience and to have sought and completed job training on their own time and dime, outside of the jobs that they're applying for. I've also read and seen that alot of companies show a facade of growth to their stakeholders by posting job openings, whether or not they have any intention or budget to fill that position.

[@SuprousOxide]

One job I worked at was filling junior positions by hiring through a consulting firm that did some real world style training of new programmers. But in exchange for this training, the consulting company made them sign long term contracts requiring them to stay with the firm for years and relocate if asked. The expectation, then, was the company hiring the consultants would likely convert the contractors to full time employees when the contract was over. My company, of course, felt it was a better deal to terminate the contracts early, pay the penalty and screw over the contractors.

[@bladewolf39]

Its really abyssmal how in order to get in entry level you have to basically have been born with experience. Its starting to feel like lying on your resume and about your experience is easier than it is to apply earnestly.

[@rcslyman8929]

It depends on the industry. I work public sector as IT customer/desktop support at a hospital. My current position started as a specific 2-year training program. Basically, they hire you into the position and build you up to transition into full-time employment. Mind you, this was after I had finished up my BS, in a positional role that I had 11 years of working experience in the military, so I was... fairly experienced. But I still had to complete the 2 years training class. And they actually called it a class, the program existed across the US, all our facilities, all the various job series, so there was quite a few of us. We had bi-weekly Skype meetings, group forums to talk and discuss and help each other along, and even had an online "graduation ceremony" for the class. Compare that to the position I held right before this one, where I was basically running a small data center for a local university's Physics department. That got billed as an Associate-level position making all of $37K a year, and was pretty much just given a tour and told have at. So yeah, it does depend, and there are jobs that do have training and true entry-level roles, but you gotta find them. It certainly isn't as common.

[@scriptKiddieOG]

My previous job didn't last more than a month. They thought it was okay to offer 6 grand less than my previous salary, and omitted the part where training was supposed to take place outside of work, in my own time and organised by me! "No pressure buddy, just learn and grow." then proceeded to pressurise and micromanage me. What a bunch of rogues. Been in business for 15 years apparently, yet was tasked with setting up their documentation for new hires.

[@babblesp1367]

Then they get mad when mistakes are made.

[@construtortex4779]

I think there is a very simple rule: If there are jobs available and 0 unemployed people to fill those jobs then it is a worker shortage If there are no jobs available but workers available then it is a Jobs shortage If both are available then the system is broken

[@smrk2452]

💯👍🏻

[@pexoto5093]

It's capitalism and although it seems to be broken, it is not. That is by design and we call that structural unemployment (if you look it up, suddenly everything will make sense). Capitalisms job is not to make peoples lives better, just to make specific peoples lives very very very good at the expense of everyone else

[@kyle9401]

​@@pexoto5093indeed, it's all intended.

[@Gelato41_]

@@pexoto5093crabs in a bucket

[@jaroslavkalivoda3496]

@@pexoto5093 sadly it is the best we got so far.

[@ponternal]

Finding a job out of school is like finding a partner. You either go through an online process where you are at a massive disadvantage due to sheer number of applications or you meet somebody through your connections.

[@ck1176]

thats shockingly accurate

[@pkom6418]

You are talking about a man finding a partner. Women have no such problems. Anyway, great analogy 👏🏿.

[@squa_81]

I found that going to industry conventions is quite a good way to forge connections! I got to the paris air show and got to meet people that want me in an internship/alternance. Maybe consider doing the same with conventions close to you? Although if everyone does it, it won't work no more :/ Here's my response to anyone thinking I have a rich background: @trenomas1 i live in france and shared the 3 hour car trip with a friend... I paid my share with money i made while working as a server in a bakery (my first job), job wich i got by going on site with my CVs...

[@InvestingAlex]

To me, it was easier to find a Professional job online, and easier to go on dates through dating apps. In fact, I'm actually working at a job that pays well over $100k, that i found online and im married to a girl that is as close to my ideal type that i could ever find in person through dating apps.

[@jonathanjohnson9611]

@@pkom6418 Very important correction lol Sites like Tinder are predominately used by men

[@workingguy3166]

Wait til you see developer jobs that require 4-5 years experience for a technology that was invented just 2 years ago, even the developer who invented the framework applied out of curiosity and got rejected 💀

[@TheeNico8]

Not trying to call you out, but is there an article because I would love to read it, lol! 😂

[@kingofenigma9534]

Lmfao

[@cipher01]

Can confirm this incident

[@TheeNico8]

@cipher01 if they can't do it, then how can we, lol?! 💀 think its time to become homeless

[@FirstLast-lh5ev]

@@TheeNico8 Sebastian Ramirez, creator of FastAPI, tweeted that he saw a job posting that asked for 4 years of FastAPI experience. At the time, it had only been around for 1.5 years. He didn't actually get rejected, he just mentioned that he wouldn't be able to apply. He's pinned that tweet so you can find it on his profile pretty easily

[@Jfromes1]

I love submitting a resume and then filling out the application that asks for all the stuff my resume has on it.

[@colechapman6976]

I really like when I attach my resume and they still require you to fill out an entire work history section that includes the job title, location of the job, supervisor name, contact information, and more. Then they ask you for three references with the same information, and they require you to write down your education history. I had a lot like that and it would take ten minutes to fill out one section. Not to mention the litany of stupid employer questions sections and then all the personal information sections they ask for like your gender, age, sex, veteran, or disability questions that should be illegal. It ends up taking such a long time that by the end of it you are just disgusted because you know you did all that work and you know they will never even respond back to you.

[@lindabcarpentersings]

​@colechapman6976 that's when you copy and paste in into a document and copy that same stuff later on

[@SENSEF]

​@@lindabcarpentersingsBut it takes FOREVER because there's a separate box for each little piece of information. Infuriating!

[@ahhwe-any7434]

I also thoroughly enjoy weird questions designed to purposely throw u off on exams. Then there's me trying to rush through things..., Not over thinking vs ? Wth did that just say? Bc it really did(not) give me a stroke. I guess this is how ppl feel about reading my comments... But reading actual exam questions is like is that a triple negative,,,, bc bruh. Maybe this is y ppl get thrown off. Also, I really filled out an app asking what I identify w. I'm the yes, mom did tell u it's a phase. So even tho I'm supposed to know today's language, kind of, I really just don't. What do u mean what do I identify with? My actual physical attributes. That's what

[@johnettipio]

What was your previous employer's mother's home address?

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

I have a CDL, 4 years of Shunter op, excavation plumbing, and brewery. I'm also a stay at home dad that runs a business with my wife. This was my experience from 2021-2022. I applied to three breweries; two of which were by phone. Two told me that they weren't hiring and I never heard back from one. I applied to 6 shipping companies(w/CDL); 2 demanded 6 day workweeks and 16hr shifts (due to a Federal loophole), 1 told me that I had to pickup my truck and drive to Columbus (1.5 hours) before I would be start to be paid each day, and I never heard back from the other three. I applied to the water department, which I was referred to and told that they were having trouble hiring people. CDL-B was a plus (since I already have A Class). I never heard back from them. I applied to two entry level data jobs (no college required). Never heard back from either. I have a strong feeling that businesses have an incentive to falsely report their hiring statistics. How else can you explain the number of jobs available, but the inability to get them?

[@realhumanbean7915]

Ghost jobs are a pretty well known phenomenon. Better give the impression of growth.

[@talesofinsomnia2199]

You forgot one other major problem- a recent study/survey estimated that up to 30% of job postings are for jobs that the hiring managers weren't actively looking to fill. They were "tire kicking" - looking to gauge demand for one of their filled positions, trying to make the business look like it was growing, or doing what was effectively a resume collect.

[@thecianinator]

Commenting for the algorithm

[@AcmeRacing]

I worked for one company that was always hiring, because they were intentionally understaffed, everyone was working way too many hours on salary, and turnover was HUGE.

[@Synthwave89]

​@@AcmeRacingew.

[@mrbobbilly2]

Yeah, theres lots of companies posting fake job posts just to collect data to see the job market, its terrible

[@quillmaurer6563]

@@AcmeRacing I recall an emissions testing facility that had a permanent metal "now hiring" sign bolted to the building. I went in to apply, don't remember much but didn't get it despite being well qualified for that role (such as it is). Not sure what was going on, but such a permanent sign is never a good sign. One possibility is that they had no interest in hiring more people (as that costs money) but had the sign there as an excuse for the customers getting slow and lousy service. The other is that they always were hiring because the job was so lousy nobody stayed. I suspect with several jobs I've been rejected from they figured I was too good, worthy of better, and would leave once realizing how bad it was. A lot of jobs probably don't want the best, they actually want the worst; those who have no chance of anything better and thus will stay out of desperation.

[@TheShadowcreator]

I love when my older relatives ask "which jobs have you applied to?" as if I remember the hundreds of jobs I have applied to.

[@princessmarlena1359]

I wouldn’t blame you for asking “How many ladders have their generations pulled up behind them?”. “Respect your elders”, my a**. Respect has to be earned, especially by not messing with our means of livelihoods.

[@lovelydiva06]

I love when jobs ask for specific dates of every job you ever had like I’m a human computer or memory stick or you can’t move forward in the application that’s the digital age of job application process

[@JeSt4m]

This So much this

[@S113Productions]

It always gets under my skin when people ask this. We’re not computers, we aren’t gonna remember the hundreds of jobs we’ve applied to.

[@quillmaurer6563]

My mom kept asking me this. At first I didn't keep track, but then I started keeping track in a spreadsheet. She came at me again, I showed her the list of dozens of jobs. She still found a way of making it my fault, that I was too picky and not stooping low enough or something.

[@trollhunter3944]

Companies collect resumes and hold onto them until an employee quits or is fired. These companies have no intention of hiring anyone. In 2005, I applied to an IT job not to long after I graduated. No response. In 2012, I received a phone call from the company to ask if I was interested in talking with them about the position I applied to 7 years earlier.

[@Jack_Horner]

That is insane

[@legionofanon]

I just straight up tell them to f off. I had a company i worked for 7 years ago contact me every year nearly exactly to the date asking if i wanted to come back. Always by different contact info so i couldn't just block and forget. I finally got a managers manager and cussed them out. Haven't heard from them since

[@Landstalker1999]

That is creepy as hell.

[@glebhill6397]

Damn, what a meme

[@jalabi99]

If the company isn't owned by your family, you owe them no loyalty. Job-hopping is the only way to ensure you get paid what you're actually worth.

[@Ctube-zk1hx]

I see nothing wrong with this. Go where you're paid better and where your time/effort is valued more. Better pay/benefits/company culture = employee retention.

[@glow1815]

Yeah job hopping will look good on your resume for sure. Than you wonder why you haven't got a job

[@Ctube-zk1hx]

@glow1815 You're so funny 😆😑. Talk to the people who were loyal for years that have been laid off/unemployed. There are no guarantees when you work for someone else....sucka.

[@Ctube-zk1hx]

​@glow1815 now go clock in and get off KZbin before you get fired from YOUR job.

[@paufermjos]

​@@Ctube-zk1hx be careful tho. I am a recruiter before and job hoppers are usually rejected in resume screening. Especially if you had 3 jobs within a 2-year career

[@amandafrance8464]

I just finished my most recent round of job hunting. After seeing how hard it is even for people like myself with no criminal record, solid references, an address, a phone, a bachelors degree, 3 years experience in my general field of interest, an open schedule, no kids, and the ability to pass a drug screen, it really makes me wonder how on earth anyone without one or more of those things ever manages to get a job. I really feel for you if that's your situation

[@socalrefrigeration548]

The guys who did get hired did one of two things. 1. They made personal contact and networked their way into the job. 2. They took a low ball offer to get in the door. Either way, you have to look at it as they beat you.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@socalrefrigeration548 'Networking' is the modern euphemism for nepotism. This stupid hustle culture is cancer.

[@Manx123]

They work in restaurants, lol

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

@@Manx123restaurants want experience too now 🫠. I couldn’t even get a summer job as a waiter without waiting experience. I’d worked in a restaurant as my first job and it’s very simple. They’d just need to show me how to use the kiosk

[@thesquad2253]

@@Manx123 good luck having time for kids working in a restaurant

[@PinkDiamond7777777]

It's the "everybody's hiring but nobody's getting hired" for me. The way it represents my 18 months of full-time job search/unemployment

[@Code7Unltd]

Methinks every business wants to shut down sooner rather than later. It's a game of Chicken. Notice how the tech industry only recently started to worsen their product directly after Twitter? Twitter was the first to worsen their service before everyone else followed.

[@socalrefrigeration548]

You need to start looking at this as a competition.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

Fun Fact: You're not unemployed! I mean, you are, but not according to the govt. You're a 'discouraged worker', and hence not part of the unemployment statistics. As far as the govt. is concerned you don't exist so that the statistic looks good. 🙃

[@WoodyJ98]

@@socalrefrigeration548seems like a primal “survival of the fittest” society. Kind of sad that we are born into a world where survival is based on other people hiring you

[@milefiori7694]

Start licking their toes and you'll have 5% better chances getting hired. I know the increment so low, but it's because everyone already figured that out not because they prefer you to lick something else...

[@VSpoodle]

The worst moment was after years of my boomer father telling me to beat the street (to no avail) after retiring, he walked up to the boss of the place he wanted to work, shook his hand and got a job same day. Those rules literally only apply to his generation somehow

[@ava9xx3js9j]

Do u think boomer men say stuff like this cause they want access to younger women and don’t want the younger men to beat them at it (which they definitely would if dating was looks based only)

[@goofyfoot2001]

I doubt at 60 years old I can walk up and shake someone's hand and get a job

[@ShadowDrakken]

The AI application filtering can be REALLY damaging to companies when it comes to odd skillsets too. If I apply through those systems, I quickly get filtered out, but if I apply in person or through recruiters I have companies fighting over me (literally, I'm dealing with it right now). Because my skillset doesn't fit neatly into those prefiltered, market researched, nonsense application systems.

[@skippyzk]

Employers: "if you use ai to make your resume we won't hire you" Also employers: "we know because we scan every application with ai"

[@princessmarlena1359]

Exactly. That’s why I have no sympathy for businesses or government agencies who complain about ransomware hits or hacking against them. Probably disgruntled rejected candidates doing this.

[@newagain9964]

Yeah and probably 90% of apps scanned and flagged for suspected of using AI were false positives. 😕

[@AG-vh3lx]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@chrits3396]

Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire.

[@intelkek7655]

I used chatGPT to make my resume and i was able to get a job 1 week after getting out the Navy in a similar field

[@Ivytheherbert]

"Nobody's to blame here" is a really bad take. No one forced those companies to make the hiring process so difficult, especially *when they actually want someone to fill the position.* Maybe websites like LinkedIn do make it easier to spam job applications, but those companies are choosing to use those services rather than just hiring via other channels *like they did before and know how to do.*

[@adogswimming1474]

EXACTLY. The companies can choose NOT to have the EasyApply button on LinkedIn and actually ask for an additional cover letter. That weeds out over 90% of people already. Every job post that has the EasyApply option has thousands of applicants while the ones that don't have single digits or low double digits.

[@colbyboucher6391]

This channel is just capitalist apologetics. Not worth taking seriously.

[@corntastrophy]

​@colbyboucher6391 Capitalism thrives off this type of turmoil. It's a feature not a bug

[@am1d]

Exactly, was thinking the same. Nobody is forcing the companies to use Linkedin, indeed or whatever to source candidates. They can create their own recruiting process and stick to it if they wanted to. I was waiting for the author to say something along the lines of "companies use the aforementioned services due to FOMO, in other words, not to be left behind when competing for the top talent". But he danced around the topic without actually dipping his toes into the nitty-gritty. It's all about trends, and knowing many recruiters personally, they are not the brightest bunch as a rule and prefer to take to the beaten track when doing their job, i.e., doing what everybody else is doing.

[@charliesu2584]

@Ivytheherbert @am1d What are the other hiring channels? The other channels I know are referrals, career fairs, or posting jobs on their own website (without posting it on LinkedIn). The issue with referrals/career fairs is that, well, they ARE still happening, but unless you are part of the network, you won't be able to find it. How is that better for an applicant, especially when they aren't "well networked" or out of school? Posting jobs on their own website could work, except there are job link aggregators that'll still funnel lots of applicants to you. Do you have any other hiring channels that I didn't think of that doesn't have these problems?

[@pown898]

I graduated from College with an IT/networking diploma last year. I applied for every IT job that had descriptions similar to what I had learned in school. Every, single, one had 1-2/3 years of experience as a “REQUIREMENT” but I applied anyways. I’m now working at a great company for my first IT job because I said fuck it and applied to every job regardless if I had experience or not. I had a great interview, said I was ready to learn and grow regardless if I had the experience they “required”. My advice is apply to every single entry level position regardless of the requirements.

[@brendaechols5929]

Good advice 👍!

[@Quionol]

I'm a fresh highschool grad and let me tell you entry levels are way harder than expected. About a week ago I got rejected from Target twice. Two days in a row. I went through their incredibly weird application process and they emailed me saying "We are looking for better candidates." Like thanks pal it would've helped if your online application had a spot to put in my resume rather than a damn assessment. Then I get a following email the day after saying "Oh we're sorry but your schedule does not comply with ours." I am a highschool student with nothing to do and my dad is already on my ass about finding a job what "schedule" of mine do I have??? Anyway the job market sucks nowadays.

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

Well it says something when even a High School Grad with no degree is struggling just as much as us college grads.

[@sarahpierre257]

Same over here. Had put in multiple applications for target with different hours of availability ranging from morning to overnight and still got rejected and said “hours doesn’t match what we’re looking for.” Unbelievable!

[@chrismatthews2040]

This is why I just ignore all "requirements" listings for a job and simply apply for whatever job I like. If they're going to waste my time with ridiculously high standards, I might as well waste their time in rejecting my obviously underqualified CV. But occasionally I still get an interview nevertheless.

[@nyalan8385]

This is a great strategy. If it’s all luck based and against your favor, what harm is there in lowering the odds a little more for a better reward

[@Voltaic314]

lol yeah this has been my approach lately too. I'm a computer science student trying to get a job in software development. I have like 2-3 years of Python & SQL experience in my education & personal projects and have lately just been applying to full blown development positions even though I'm still kind of an under-qualified college student. Because I mean why not? lol worse thing they can say is no or "apply again later". haha

[@vectoralphaAI]

​@@Voltaic314what type of software development are you trying to do and what's your tech stack? I've been doing the same with no luck.

[@eltiolavara9]

yeah same

[@Hiya_There13667]

I'm thinking I should do this at this point. Worrying over reading those probably lowers my hiring chances.

[@graysonrogers-barnes6302]

"Can you explain this gap in your resume?" Yes, I put in applications daily for six months and it turned out most of them weren't even hiring. Genuinely hate this. Getting a job at a fast food restaurant shouldn't have taken three years.

[@ADAPTATION7]

Just lie. It's better for you.

[@Artmeetsreality]

Don't put that gap in then. Seriously, f it.

[@Otinashi]

I've started just listing my last job as current

[@retroaspects729]

@@ADAPTATION7this… it’s how I got one of my corp jobs

[@Othique]

@@Artmeetsreality If they run a background check on you they can see years you were working based on your tax records. They can't see how much you were making or anything like that, but they can verify you were employed or not... I'm not sure how many employers actually pay for that, though.

[@spaRKLES88604]

Experience basically mean working for free and volunteering. NETWORKING is everything nowadays. Which is unfortunate for people like me who have a tough time socializing.

[@gymnastkristen5824]

its not even socializing its like how are we even supposed to find these people? In the modern world its hard to just walk up to someone and ask if they work or what they do

[@danielserrano929]

@@gymnastkristen5824Most people don’t even like talking about their jobs like wth.

[@DrawinskyMoon]

Yeah if you’re on the spectrum you’re f*cked

[@SaturdayWinter]

Networking isn't 100% true, a lot of people don't want to interact with you, a person begging for a way into a company. Unless you already have a well established network with high ranking people and contacts, good luck.

[@user-kp1kp9sm1g]

I see networking as having someone in your family give you a position in their workplace, because people of my age and the people i talk to in general are in the same position as me (searching for a job) 😂

[@anavizcaino6143]

My favorite is when you have experience but then suddenly you are over qualified ....

[@blacklyfe5543]

Hahahahhahahahhahaha lol

[@cherrypopscile3385]

I saw a dishwashing job that demanded 3 years experience as a dishwasher. That is insane

[@godisgreat418]

Yeah that’s it for me…

[@Labyrinth6000]

Easy, tell them you’ve been dishwashing your whole life in your own home.

[@crunchybobaasmr2130]

I washed dishes at home for 20 yrs does that count

[@tazreenrahman3587]

That's stupid.

[@crunchybobaasmr2130]

I saw a coding job asking for four year experience. Errr

[@fartoplata308]

My first year out of college was stupid AF. Spent 10 months applying for these stupid postings and barely got one interview. It was ridiculously confusing. Ended up landing my first career job thru a recruiter on Linkedin. In the past 9 years, I've seen so many companies I work with hire the absolute WRONG person for their entry level jobs. We live in La La Land.

[@paolaanimator]

Sadly it's almost the same experience for me, fresh out of college grad and applying online nonstop for almost a year, only for a professor recommending me to a company position to land my first job...

[@komyn27]

I graduated around the same time as you. I actually had 2 years of experience when I graduated (I was running a marketing department while still in college), so I thought I was set. Nope. Ended up packing everything I owned into a van and moving to California in a desperate bid to find work. took a retail job until I finally managed to find two lower level entry jobs in my field, which I juggled. Found a 9-5 that I was way overqualified for and took it just to get some stability. All of this was in the first 2 years after graduating. After that I just decided to say "fuck it" and became a freelancer. People instantly started taking my experience seriously. Most people can't just go off and do their own thing like I did, though, and so many people I graduated with just got stuck in their career progression. I recently took a 9-5 again for the first time in 6 years, and everyone in the office is constantly commenting on how my level of experience is amazing, they have never had anyone better, etc. It just sucks knowing that virtually all the experience they're celebrating is from either the job I had while I was in college or from my years freelancing. Those first two years after graduation contributed very little for my long term gains.

[@TopFlightSecurity415]

same , i almost went into depression while looking for job out of college, i couldn't even get a job at a grocery store smh luckily through connections i landed a job after 7 months of looking smh

[@starscream6629]

@@TopFlightSecurity415Damn hope you’re in a better mindset now.

[@dcmkv2]

Dawg I have a Master's degree and things are no better, on my 6th month of full time job hunting now

[@DivineAtheistWannabe]

The most stupidest thing is when they turn away people who show up in person and want to drop their CV in. “Sorry but you have to apply online” Like bruh. Don’t you think someone who took the time to come to you in person is going to be a bit more passionate and dedicated to the company. Instead of someone who spams applications online.

[@LawrenceTimme]

Giant corporation. If a company is like that they aren't going to be good to work for

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

It's because the entire corporate model is a scam. If the company does poorly, the executives and board members cash in on their SHORT positions and then claim bankruptcy. They buy a yacht and YOU pay the bill with tax dollars for their insolvency.

[@jkeelsnc]

In person? Those days are long gone. In fact, no one will even be around to accept your application. This was maybe possible in my parents generation but certainly not today. Unless it is in a local small business or restaurant you are wasting your time in person.

[@FruitBowlsAreMyThing]

To be fair, at least in Europe and the UK this is the case, most places can't take CV's because of data protection acts. Having your information on paper in a place that can't be as easily secured as online is risky for them and could cause legal backlash.

[@paulseed1065]

@@FruitBowlsAreMyThing I can tell ya from Experience online is or even a local device is not a safe place to store information. A loot of data lose to attacks happen daily. Its quite expensive to keep digital data secure. Printed paper is a lot safer in that respect.

[@joeman123964]

only person who is well off is ash from pokemon. 10 years old with 22 years of experience in his field

[@raymondshiner1046]

Did so well he was able to finally retire at the young age of 11!

[@AcmeRacing]

I went back to school and earned an MBA, but I quickly discovered that all the senior management jobs were being filled with people who did unpaid internships. It's like it was a test to weed out people without family money, who needed to support themselves. Years of actual low to mid level experience plus the degrees were worthless without rich connections or "internships."

[@akusemkhal]

This is probably one of the reasons why my parents REALLY PRESS me to continue to pursue my education until internship.

[@Pistolita221]

iT's A mErIToCrAcY

[@calencrawford2195]

this

[@calencrawford2195]

@@Pistolita221 and also this.

[@GreyPunkWolf]

​@@Pistolita221Well yeah, of course. As long as you define merit as the bagage you were given by sheer luck when you were born.

[@Not.Jason.from.the.southwest]

This is anecdotal. A friend of mine and I have had the experience recently of being denied several jobs we were qualified for, however we were both almost instantly hired for jobs we weren't qualified for. My current position supposedly requires a college education but I completely forgot to mention mine while applying. It wasn't until I had started in the office that my boss asked if I had a degree. My opinion is that the whole system is broken. I'm not complaining, because I have a job that pays well. Other people, not so lucky .

[@watema3381]

Mind if I ask what field you're currently working in?

[@Geo.StoryMaps]

Applies to every industry including adult entertainment

[@danhobart4009]

I applied to hundreds of jobs and a year later I randomly got an interview for a senior position with 0 work experience.

[@WelfareChrist]

Entry level typically means "without prior education or experience" so having a degree and applying to jobs requiring degrees is not what this video is about - its about work someone currently in high school should be capable of doing.

[@jonathanjohnson9611]

@@WelfareChrist Thank you. Someone with sense. This guy is a dumbo who just wanted to share his dull, pointless story.

[@BeeWaifu]

I have three folders full of jobs I applied for. I graduated a computer technician in 2012. Didn't find a job. Became a certified network administrator in 2018. Still no job. I've still yet to find a job and my talents as a writer are ignored. Sleeping on some train tracks looks more enticing every day.

[@DraycoVideo]

Good info, but he forgot one more metric - a lot of job applications are never intended to be filled at all. Enployers sometimes put out job applications with unrealistic requirements specifically so they dont get adequately filled. This is for one of two reasons: 1) To scare current employees into thinking their jobs are vulnerable in order to make them perform better (whether or not this actually works) 2) To give the appearance of perpetual company growth to shareholders. Welcome to our current job market. Its fucked.

[@oeckstei]

As someone who was recently asked to be involved in the hiring process I felt sympathy for the candidates during our zoom interviews. Many seemed overqualified for the job they were applying for and the pay wasn’t great. The overqualified ones were young and could have been easily trained but management sometimes doesn’t want to spend the time to train younger employees, which is lazy in my opinion. Easier to hire someone who is experienced but then you are not preparing for the future.

[@yautl1]

Everyone wants experienced candidates but nobody's willing to train them. Sooner or later that's going to become a major problem

[@bryan_witha_whyy]

Hiring overqualified candidates is like renting workers. It’s a stopgap for them until they find a job more at their level.

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

@@yautl1it already has. That’s why they’re whining about a “worker shortage”. All the young people are under qualified for fast food jobs and entry level corporate jobs now. Even min wage crap jobs want experience now 🙄. Like it takes 20 minutes maximum to train a minimum wage worker into a fully producing worker bee and they can’t even do that right

[@hatman4818]

@yautl1 Thats already a problem. I worked in aviation for a bit (military). You can get an A&P license through real world work and on the job training, one of the last fields you can still enter through basic apprenticeship. And yet, I've seen so many maintenance organizations insist on only hiring people who already have an A&P license, limiting their new blood worker pool to tech school graduates who spent 2 years mostly just in a classroom instead of getting real world experience, then the old hand A&Ps show up in FB groups to piss and moan that new A&Ps suck @$$ and cant do basic stuff like safety wire for sh@t. ... Bro... If you want ANY say in the quality of the next generation of mechanics, you need to be the ones training them from the ground up, something you are legally allowed to do, instead of trying to outsource all training to a degree mill money pit. They also like to piss and moan about how much new hires are expecting in paycheck... Again, instead of paying them pennies on the dollar to train them on the job for 3 years, ya'll tried outsourcing them to a money pit where THEY had to go in the hole and gain student debt for two years... Uh, YEAH, theyre gonna expect more pay for sh!ttier work, thats what you get for putting 18 year olds through a financial crisis the second the leave their parents' home. They got debt with interest to pay off since ya'll wouldnt pay them through on the job training. And people also like to say that college is a bad route since blue collar jobs are supposedly so accessible. That may have been the case before, but now every industry has so much anti repair design, bogus for profit certification processes that cost a hundo here and there for information you could get online for free, and for profit 2 year tech schools that drag sh@t out, it's getting almost as bad as white collar work. It's like blue collar industries saw what money they were leaving on the table by seeing the sh@t example colleges were setting.

[@HyperVegitoDBZ]

@@yautl1 it already is, in EU at least

[@LashknifeTalon]

I'll admit, it hadn't even occurred to me that at any point rejection letters were common. As a Millennial, my entire adult life the paradigm has been "no response is a rejection"; I've maybe received two rejection letters in my life.

[@mcmans.]

I Got a Rejection Letter from Yandex Inc. They Wanted More Experience and said I needed to work on my English, Ironically They Misspelled a Word in my Rejection Letter. I Will Never Apply To Another Job Ever Again. Complete Waste of Time and Energy.

[@am1d]

The problem I have with no official rejection letters was that you don't get any feedback. If you don't hear back in two weeks, that's it, no secret about it, but the question remains "why?". It's actually helpful to know whether it was the salary demand, the lack of experience or particular skill compared to candidates who went further in the process. Ohterwise, you never know how to improve to get the job without climbing into a deep rabbit hole of the industry. Of course, I should also add that the above is an expectation when the other side actually knows what they want. Most of the time, it feels that nobody knows what they are really after. It just feels like the recruiter or the hiring manager are just subjectively removing candidates from the pool aka being a prick while wasting everybody's time.

[@jasongarfitt1147]

I had a job I applied to get back to me a year later to ask about interviews. As I hadn't got a response I'd assumed I'd been rejected. By time they did respond, I had another job

[@ganymedehedgehog371]

Well it’s a generic “we have decided to pursue other applicants” kinda more insulting than ghosting

[@__-fm5qv]

I've occasionally had the "We're sorry this position has been filled, better luck next time" type of rejection email before, but nothing that hasn't just been sent out by an automated system.

[@taz275]

It took 6 months for me to find a job, im convinced 90% of job postings are fake now

[@jonnywick4402]

Took me a month is crazy because some of them they actually call and interview you but is funny interviews are like a week apart and 3 interviews plus panel interview and waiting another week if your lucky but normally they just ghosted you. It will be ok if we name some of those companies so ppl know

[@colechapman6976]

It took me 200+ applications, 7 months of searching, and 13 interviews before I found a great job working for state government. I now make more than in my previous role and my new job will transition to hybrid remote after training. I can't tell you though how many times I have been ghosted, rejected, or forced to endure countless hours of scrolling on Indeed, Glassdoor, LinkedIn, and even company websites searching for jobs I was qualified for. It was completely bonkers and I have great experience with the jobs I was applying to, a relevant bachelor's degree, three solid professional references, two letters of recommendation, I could pass a drug test, I had no children to take care of, and I had a clean driver's license and a great reliable car. I can't imagine how much more difficult it must be for people who aren't so fortunate. The worst to me though was the endless fake jobs. So many times have I Googled a company's name and nothing came up. No address, Google Reviews, or even a website. The company simply did not exist and it was just a post to collect resumes or maybe to scam people. So many were like that but they were easy to spot because they always posted outlandishly high salaries or had completely generic job descriptions. Another tell is if there were broken English and grammar mistakes.

[@SurpriseMeJT]

I noticed the same 3-5 year requirement for entry level work back in 2007. This practice has been going on for a long time.

[@basedlifeform5413]

The parallels between the job market and the dating market are ridiculously spot on. The internet was supposed to make it easier to match job seekers to jobs, just like it was supposed to make it easier for people to match with prospective mates. Paradoxically, these technologies actually make it far less likely for good matches to occur. On a separate note, many businesses say they are hiring because they have to give the appearance they are hiring. This really became a thing during and after the pandemic, because a lot of businesses took money from the government to stay solvent. But that money came with strings attached, that it would be used for payroll in order to retain employees that were on lockdown. A lot of businesses availed themselves of this money without the hassle of the employees by having open job requisitions and saying that they were understaffed. Now they just have to keep the façade going. Hence hiring but not really.

[@hayuseen6683]

Don't forget that both are in the control of corporations and Execs, not the employees/daters. They're not made to work by the people they need to have it work for. You get chicken factory farms by optimizing for the chicken seller and not the chickens.

[@williefaulker]

Yep. But nobody talks Abt this because it then messes up a lot of the narratives ppl have came up with

[@andrewvirtue5048]

And in both markets men are heavily disadvantaged over women.

[@hayuseen6683]

@@andrewvirtue5048 Citation needed

[@quillmaurer6563]

@@andrewvirtue5048 From everything I've heard in the dating realm men have a lot harder time getting connections, while women get a lot but most aren't very good - rarely leads to decent connections either way, even though at least theoretically suitable matches are out there, and people were more successful at finding such pre-internet. As for the job market side, I agree with hayuseen6683: Citation needed.

[@firedingo5]

Classic move in my experience is "Yes we like the fact you're massively overqualified for the role and you have a bachelors degree and would easily fit this role but we went with the massively under qualified person who has experience instead." Within 6 weeks they're usually readvertised the role anyway 🤦‍♀️

[@tabithaalphess2115]

This is why I justed started lying about my experience. I'm a fast learner, and no one has been able to tell the difference

[@pllpsy665]

The thing is they don't want to lose you too quick or you having any advancement goals at their company. This week I applied to a job that I was overqualified at a company in a field I would want to work. The job was for a technician but I have a bachelors and a little experience in the field . I applied to the job because I need to fill this damn job gap and I could definitely do it. I had 2 people grill me about how I am too overqualified and how there is no chance in hell of any advancement from that position or any extension of that position no matter how impressive I would be. I hadn't asked any questions about that possibility. I finally got tired of pretending I really want that job and I withdrew my application. The funny part is that on the linkedIn stats there are like 8 applicants with masters degrees for that stupid job.

[@pllpsy665]

@@tabithaalphess2115 Be careful because some do check. Agencies especially and they may just blacklist you. They do usually ask you for consent before.

[@LawrenceTimme]

In most real jobs a degree is useless compared to hands on experience.

[@randomuserame]

Apply again (no more than twice). This time if/when you talk to them specifically bring up that you can be hired and they can be done... or they can continue sinking money into recruitment and retraining costs. All recruitment has a cost unless their entire company is literally in the same family. Here's what they want to happen: -Pick employee -No training needed -They're perfectly qualified -They aren't paid more than they generate in revenue/profit -They stay forever -Done Say whatever you have to say to make them realize that everyone else prevents ALL of that from happening, but that YOU will solve all their problems at the snap of the fingers. Over qualified isn't a thing. Either you're qualified or you're not. "Over" qualified is the word they use to hide their fear that you will ask for more money or quit too soon. So, when asked, give no specifics but always assuage these concerns with vague agreements that also signal your expertise won't be cheap. Example: "Are you committed to staying with us for X time" You respond: "At this point in my career i'm looking for long-term stability with a company that can offer appropriate comp & benefits" "This job pays X, but your skill level usually demands Y, are you ok with the lower pay? You respond: "With my experience, you will have no issues making RoI; I'm willing to start at a reasonable level and scale with the business." If you have the means to work unpaid for a bit. Put the compensation at-risk. You want to give them the idea that you're a "steal" at whatever price you give. It's a good strategy to do work unpaid/minimally so they can "get familiar with your level of performance" and after X time (as denoted in a WRITTEN contract) you will be back-paid to catch-up and also re-negotiate for "appropriate" (higher) compensation based on performance... The reason why companies say no to high pay isnt because they can't afford it (for big companies at least); its because they don't know if they will RoI on your paycheck, or that you wont stay long enough for them to cover the loss on recruitment/on-boarding. Its your job to lull them into that dreamy stupor where they don't know how many zeros they're giving you because they're focused on how many *they* will get.

[@phillipbooth787]

i just ended my own 4 month long search for a job. 6-12 applications a day. i start in 11 hours.

[@michaelcook7924]

Howd it go?

[@phillipbooth787]

@@michaelcook7924 well, I've been at the job for about 6 months now. i don't hate it.

[@mandolorian1176]

Im over the job hunt. Been out of work for over a year. In that year Ive lost count if how many applications Ive put into places. Everything from entry level retail to lawncare. Ive worked 6 years in a pharmacy, several years in management on top of that. Yet I cant get anything right now. Makes one want to just give up.

[@Lonovavir]

Modern job hunting: If you weren't born with a Yale Ph.D, have an IQ lower than 200, can't code and need any training this job isn't for you. If it is for you we'll pay $12.50 hourly, then blame you for being poor.

[@johnyewtube2286]

Learning to code being a job guarantee is a lie. I have sent 700 applications with no luck so far and I know many people in the same situation.

[@cfri9332]

@@johnyewtube2286 If you know how to code, don't use that fact to get a job. Just code. Code. Code your ass off. You can build a portfolio, and that would be nice to apply for a job. But even better would be to code something successful on your own, and force people to come to you.

[@chomcat1910]

@@cfri9332 Building a portfolio of personal projects is practically required already just to get an interview (not the job). The fact that companies (tech or not) essentially require entry-level applicants to have spent potentially weeks working on projects just to be considered is a joke. Not to mention the time and effort you need to put in to prepping for their bs technical interview questions that consist of arbitrary problem solving problems that you'll never encounter irl anyway. And not everyone has the luxury of spending months preparing for this interview process.

[@handlemonium]

50% is networking. It's basically "go hire this dude because you trust me and I know they're good" not just "throw a thousand darts and hope it works out".

[@alengm]

​@chomcat1910 how are you even gonna learn to code without building personal projects? It takes months of shitty coding before your skills start to become good enough.

[@Bauldi]

Honestly chatgpt is probably the only reason I got an interview recently. Id been applying for the past 5 months since my previous job. None of my resumes broke the filter. I made the prompt "be my resume writer. First I'll send you the job post to remember. Second you'll ask about my previous job role and experience. Use ATS formatting throughout combining the job posting with my experience to make the best resume to break past indeed filters" a week I got 3 calls and an interview.

[@lykan801]

One of the best ways to utilize chatgpt and AI tools in my opinion to have to beat this confusing system is proper commands like this, helped me greatly with getting an internship after struggling for 2 months.

[@PeachDragon_]

Yup if you just ask ai to break the almost esoteric algorithms you can do wonders

[@MatheusLB2009]

Yeah sure you got 3 calls and an interview. Did you get a job?

[@Bauldi]

@@MatheusLB2009 Yeah I figured that was a given.

[@zacquelinebaldwin2555]

I literally can’t work 60 hours a week and apply for jobs and sleep

[@layeredchip3220]

I remember when I tried to get my first job out of high school. I applied for 97 different jobs, I only got two interviews. It took five months, and I didn’t get a job till I was already in college.

[@mikkelnpetersen]

Friend of mine got a forklift license, he and his class literally applied at every single warehouse, factory, EVERYWHERE that had a forklift on its grounds, in the city and the 3 nearest cities too, and around half of them had "need forklift operator" job offers, EVERYWHERE they got the same answer "we want someone with at least 3 years experience". How does places expect people to gain experience when nobody wants to hire?

[@darkphoenix199408]

My teacher had us look up job postings for our field. Almost all the ones we found had outdated requirements. Most of the coding requirements were for programs that no longer existed or for coding languages we have updated to something new. I could not believe it. I contact the companies to tell them how outdated they were, and they really should let some in the field make the job posting. They had no idea that the programs no longer exist and the coding they were asking for was outdated. One told me that they copied and paste a job posting from over 10 years ago.

[@loosemoose5217]

Yes, this is rather common in tech related fields, they get HR to do listings and do interviews, not people involved, I had this happen to me, I asked the person doing the interview to explain something about a question they posed to me, they said they could not do that as they themselves didn't understand the question

[@danjo2080]

I think part of the problem here is that HR and other administrative folks making decisions are pulled out of business school and have no idea what actually goes on for the businesses they manage. I'm in healthcare and oh boy, the knowledge folks have of patient care vs their positions on the corporate ladder mostly seem inversely proportional.

[@ayanbhattacharjee1076]

How dumb these people are lol.

[@zvxcvxcz]

Sometimes this is the case, but other time the things you think are obsolete are in fact still their current practice. Some of these companies are hurting hard for Cobol programmers for instance. Old code doesn't disappear just because some new shiny thing comes along.

[@mcmans.]

FAKE JOBS FROM OVER 10 YEARS AGO...

[@nerdoftheatre]

When I was unemployed during the height of the pandemic, i found this issue a lot. My favorite job application was an entry-level copyeditor. But you needed like, 10 years experience in writing, 11 years in music, and 5 years working in an office. At the time, I was convinced the hiring people had no idea what entry level meant.

[@endsinurple]

They know what entry level means--it's so they can justify requiring lots of work experience with entry level pay.

[@ClickBeetleTV]

They needed a copy editor for their own job postings, maybe

[@kaleyjoplinRAWRR]

Yeah I’m coming across some like this. At first I thought it was a typo maybe lol because obviously they don’t know what entry level means 😂

[@dreamcream3738]

​@@endsinurpleNo, it's so they can justify not hiring autistic workers. The autistic will take those requirements at face value and not bother. Those who understand it's a bluff are more likely than not neurotypical, and thus desired

[@colechapman6976]

I found a Marketing assistant position that required a BA, full knowledge of the Adobe Creative Suite, fluency in all social media platforms, and you needed to have 2-3 years of communications or marketing experience. I'm like, all that for a job that pays $40,000 a year? It's nuts

[@MegaMan-bs3oy]

I got my IT degree in 2014 I live in a small town in middle TN. So finding a job was impossible. Only banks or manufacturers needed IT help and they all wanted years experience, or I could of moved to Nashville and struggled with rent which I having my own home I didn't want to do. Flash forward a decade and I've NEVER used my degree in IT. I was offered one job at Amazon for IT. In the interview, we got disconnected due to bad connection on their end through an online meeting and was passed over so i quit amazon. Instead I went back to school to become a plumber and opened my own business which I have now hired 3 more staff to help the work load. Moral of the story. Plumbers and electricians are always needed.

[@ericonion3561]

These comments and videos make me more confident about running my future business

[@la5ting]

I recently had a recruiter told me i wasn't qualified to apply for the job title ive been working under for 5 years and have a masters degree in. My recent job hunt has been soul crushing and im honestly flabberghasted

[@joca7811]

That recruiter sounds like an idiot.

[@starscream6629]

Been doing the work of a senior data visualization engineer for years. HR told director & VP they would consider changing my title to align to my work, but without the matching pay, which has me underpaid by 40k. I can either attempt what you’re going through or just accept they’ll never pay me correctly…

[@ThesmartestTem]

Judging by your grammar, I'm gonna side with the recruiter...

[@Astavyastataa]

@@ThesmartestTemthis is KZbin, not a job app.

[@Subreon]

Never show loyalty to a company. Stay 1 or 2 years then leverage that experience to get higher pay for that position in another company. Keep moving up yourself. Don't wait for a company to be nice and do it for you just cuz you're there a long time. You are a tool to them. They have no loyalty to you and will throw you out the second it benefits their bottom line. Treat them the same way.

[@esssiiiiiii5830]

50 years ago people with high school degree or even lower could have a job in a almost any sector in any company without someone ask them colledge degree and experience. They could learn all the skills they need in several months. They could climb corporate ladder then retired with a good salaray. Nowadays if you want to be hired as a janitor in a small company, you literally need a college degree with several years of experience. All the while all you have to do is to get behind a computer and do some boring things for long hours. In the end they pay you shit. Learning how to get a job is the most important skil people need right now because job market is well beyond broken and it won't be saved anytime soon.

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

As an immigrant fresh out of high school, it is indeed bs

[@danhobart4009]

Just lie about your work experience.

[@IL_Bgentyl]

It’s largely due to college being saturated. It’s the new high school degree.

[@aaronasencio9459]

@@IL_Bgentyl thats also done on purpose cuz colleges know their degrees are slowly getting unnecessary unless its for more extreme practices such as law, engineering or being a doctor. I guess colleges had to lowkey pay companies to tell them to put that you need a college degree to work a job because incentives drive everything.

[@lluewhyn]

As @IL-Bgentyl alluded, there is a phenomenon called "Credential Inflation". People could be hired right out of high school, because high school graduate rates weren't that high, and college graduation rates were even lower. But now, if everyone has a Bachelor's, then the companies are going to want people with Masters. It's all about screening so they can get the "cream of the crop", whatever degree that happens to be now.

[@andrewadam1890]

“Entry Level” by definition means no experience. Requiring experience but paying “entry level” wages is what this companies are trying to do or gambling that the job market will buckle for less pay. It can also be listing a job in order to “claim” creating a job without actually creating said job with no expectation of hiring a new worker.

[@knowdudegamingshow2962]

Just listening about the job search process raises my stress level and makes me glad I have a stable job.

[@Tokoroa3420]

These outrageous requirements are there for a reason, I overheard an immigration agent telling an employer to do this to make sure no one gets hired, and then he can bypass the government requirement and hire cheap overseas labours.

[@ccloutiutube]

Yes, it's the labor certification part of the H1B/green card process. You can tell when the job description is extremely specific, where only the current employee would qualify.

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

Yup. Companies aren't looking to hire QUALIFIED people. They're looking for the most manipulatable slaves--errr--"employees". 😂🤣😂

[@jcantonelli1]

​@@samf.s.7731You get exploited, and Americans lose out on American jobs.

[@Astavyastataa]

@@samf.s.7731aren’t you the guy whining about “racist white people”? Maybe you should try being a bit more grateful.

[@obsidianflight8065]

@@Astavyastataa you sound like a racist white people

[@masonm600]

I'm on job #6, and this matches my experience exactly. My dad was in sales in the firm handshake era, and never had to deal with all the resume optimization nonsense. I'm glad to hear my experiences validated.

[@ah5721]

I will post in white on the back of my white resume key words that are picked up that are relevant

[@samf.s.7731]

They gotta fix this, it's very broken. It's not just bad for people applying, it's bad for the employers themselves. The fact that anybody can apply to any job is the reason why this is such a mess. The fact that you can "make sh!t up" about your level of training is also quite messed up. The only things that can truly be verified are college education, and experience levels (Which again, you can exaggerate what you did and learned in a previous position, your "work" maybe entirely fictional). References can be faked 😅 Nepotism can get you jobs, then networking, and almost always never your actual qualifications. They gotta change this.

[@aidanz6350]

I read “handshake era” and my immediate thought was the job/internship application platform my college uses (called Handshake) instead of a physical handshake. Now I’m only feeling worse lmao

[@rebeccaanne9863]

The thing is that asking for multiple years experience from entry level candidates isn’t a new thing. As a young adult in the early 2000’s I got a receptionist certificate and went looking for a job. However all of the entry level receptionist jobs insisted on 5 or more years of experience as a receptionist. I do believe that, as you said, they were doing this to be able to pay expert level employees at entry level rates though.

[@DonTrump-sv1si]

People that get hired are the ones that know how to put the correct words on a piece of paper and the ones who know how to b.s. their way through an interview. Both of which have nothing to do with the actual job being done. The world is getting scarily dumb

[@The_Real_Frisbee]

I've been saying for the better part of a decade that entry-level employees have been doomed ever since everything went to computers. When you're a fresh graduate of either HS or college, it's extremely beneficial to go in, get an application, fill it out and turn it in all in one sitting. This often leads to conversation either with the attendant at the desk, or even the manager themselves. They get a face to put on that application and a first impression. Plus even if you are under-qualified, if you do land that first impression you could very well likely get put on the job anyways. That's all gone now. Now you are just a screen to them.

[@randomuserame]

You can still do this. Just bring your laptop/phone and do the online application right in their lobby/waiting room. Anyone who really wants the job will show up in person nowadays (provided they're in proximity). It's STILL true that coders who can make decent conversation are more valued (and often have better promotion potential) than desk hermits who have to be hidden from everyone else so that nobody catches a charge because Sally misinterpreted Billy's autism for harassment

[@terminatedgaming1451]

@@randomuserame”anyone who Really wants the job…” bro wtf are you talking about? These companies are struggling to hire people yet they refuse to lower the requirements of their hiring process. These businesses that refuse to change with the times are the exact ones doomed to failure within 10 years.

[@FallacyBites]

Demanding 3 years experience for entry level jobs has been a thing since at least 1995. If they DO hire you, they then pay you less than advertised cuz you don't have the experience they requested. They're just looking for an excuse they can convince you to accept

[@PascualSmith]

PRECISELY the reason I do not intend to get a shitty, hard to advance in, and way too over saturated entry level job opening in Business. I literally make 20+ an hour in restaurants, I want to save money without living in the USA for more than a decade, etc. With enough money one day I can work in my own business

[@GodMowsMyLawn]

You cant do this anymore I went in person and they told me apply online and I wont hear back for a long time. Waste of gas driving there for nothing. Never heard back.

[@Shyraton12]

You know I remember seeing a video mocking Japanese companies for requiring all resumes be hand written when applying. Initially I agreed that sounded dumb but after watching this video I realize it's actually kind of brilliant. If you are forced to show up and present your resume in person, then your competition for the job is limited to who else physically showed up. Thus increasing your chances of getting hired.

[@maybemablemaples2144]

Finding jobs there is even harder and there are so many terrible companies that don't pay you for OT. The handwritten resume really doesn't matter.

[@xladycaosx]

I am currently job hunting in academia in Japan and I will have to disagree. We don’t have handwritten CVs but we have print and send and it’s an absolute nightmare, plus I probably spent in the 100$ by now sending all that paper. Also the fake job ads are a thing, at least in academia, they already know who to hire but they still open the job to everyone and waste people’s time and money. Even spent 300$ on go to one of the few job interviews I got (often they won’t pay travel expenses but also won’t do interviews online) only to get rejected. Also those CVs are awful to fill if you were educated or worked abroad because the space is too small for the long foreign names 😂

[@maybemablemaples2144]

@@xladycaosx thank you for talking about your experience. Some people really don't understand how grueling it is to find jobs in Japan. Like Japanese companies are legit terrible about job listings. It's even harder as a foreigner trying to do something that ISN'T just teaching. They pigeonhole whole swaths of demographics so cleanly over there it makes the US look incompetent. Good luck on finding a job bro.

[@quillmaurer6563]

While others are debunking the specific idea you're suggesting, I've long suspected lengthy online applications of being the same thing. Starting with the "fill in all the things already on your resume" in a form that has individual windows making even copy-pasting a laborious process. Then will have page after page of nonsense you have to fill out, personality quizzes, whatever else. Often I suspect it's not to better evaluate candidates, it's to reduce the number of people who actually complete the damn thing. It's a filter not of the most qualified candidates, but the most desperate. Often I suspect that's what companies want these days, they don't want people who will be best at the job but someone who is most willing to put up with shit. Even, perhaps, the less appealing workers as they'd have less ability to leave. I think this was true of a job as a driving instructor job I interviewed for a month or two ago, I was very well qualified and told them I genuinely thought I'd enjoy it and find meaning in it. In the end they rejected me, I suspect because they realized I wasn't desperate for the money, would be working on my terms rather than theirs, and would leave if the job in reality sucked - suggesting that it does and they know it.

[@GreyPunkWolf]

Ah yes. The person who has the experience but is still working in another buisness can't come and submit their own resume, so that means they are worth less than the new dude fresh out of school with no experience who can spend all day applying everywhere in person. That's genius ! (Full sarcasm, in case someone didn't get the subtle hints).

[@goddessbraxia]

1.5 years, 700+ applications. only 8 interviews (not counting preliminary ones with hiring companies) and all I got was a job working garden department at Lowe's. I have a bachelors degree in Graphic design and 6 years in the Navy managing personel and operating a nuclear powerplant.

[@cooldownboi3890]

nuclear power plant 💀💀💀

[@hughmungusbungusfungus4618]

I've never gotten a job through an online board. I find jobs through networking, and I have a list of recruiters I talk to when starting a job search. I do this because I've worked with a large number of recruiters over my career and there's a difference between those that understand the role they're hiring for and those that are spamming everyone with a similar title.

[@mlynskey2]

I read somewhere that some companies post job listings that they have absolutely no intention of hiring for, as it makes the company look like it's growing. The listings essentially stay up indefinitely. This also happens for backfilling staff - if a company has no intention of replacing a team member, they'll put up a job listing to make it look like they're hiring to make the team happy, but in reality they won't backfill the role.

[@graysonrogers-barnes6302]

Yup! I've seen it firsthand.

[@am1d]

Yes, but why the ridiculous requirements? You can fake-post without looking like an ass who doesn't know what they are actually hiring for. In fact, unrealistic entry-level job postings are sus and can give off a bad impression for the company. Not that anyone cares, it just seems so unnecessary.

[@dtphenom]

​@@am1d So that if someone do meets those requirements they can snatch them up. It is no risk, high reward.

[@James-gm9cs]

From what I've observed, most businesses don't want to put in the effort to train employees properly and put into place a proper L&D structure. It costs time & money and those are 2 things they're not willing to invest into people because it impacts their bottom-line.

[@Lonovavir]

I got two days of training when I needed at least five. Of course, any mistakes I make are my fault 🙄😮‍💨.

[@bossgd100]

Ok but why they complain 😂😂

[@James-gm9cs]

@@bossgd100 they want to have their cake and eat it

[@hathamwitch670]

ye this is part of the problem, there are some that will give training even at entry level but most will expect you to hit the ground running on day 1.

[@IL_Bgentyl]

Try construction, electrical, welding, dry wall, and so on. It’s more about how you handle shit talking than your actual ability. If you’re teachable and don’t annoy people you have a chance. Often people don’t like to teach you because they worry about losing their jobs to you. It’s toxic but great money.

[@phoenixx913]

When I got my job as a laborer I had never work in the labor or agricultural fields. The only thing that was required was that I could consecutively lift 50lbs. Everything else I needed to know I learned on the fly from setting up sweep augurs to doing maintenance on machines to loading and unloading semis and driving a forklift. As it should be what you don’t know you learn while you do the job. And before I got the labor job I talked about above I was unemployed for a year putting out like 60-100 applications a week and researching companies and business’s sifting through reviews almost daily to ensure I wouldn’t get screwed working somewhere.

[@Unknown___047]

Even internships now required some degree of experience especially in the tech field. In the job requirements they'll list out an entire IT department stack for an internship position.

[@woodside4life]

I’ll add: five years’ experience with technology that’s three years old

[@Gusativo]

Dude! I noticed exactly that the other day! They wanted a single person to do the job of a team of specialized people, absolutely ludicrous

[@chimagamer4157]

that is how you know that there is no one from IT department helping with the hiring process, they don't even know what they need, so probably can ignore that. maybe even mention it in the application and interview, because they do be needing some help.

[@saintseer8214]

companie: so yea, we need the intern to develop code for the rocket intern: O__o the whaaa?? u say now

[@OmniscientlyMe]

That's not really an internship then, it's an illegally miscategorized job.

[@nopenopeagain4397]

I applied for tons of tech jobs, got rejected over and over, one interview even rolled his eyes at something I said at an interview, then remembered someone I helped with some machine learning code was working for a startup, asked him to put me in contact with the CEO, and within 30 minutes of chatting I was effectively hired into a well-paying position. Don't underestimate connections.

[@BossItUp911]

exactly. people don't think like a manager. there are so many bums, careless people, lazy people, people who don't add value, people who say one thing to get in the door and then quiet quit, people who aren't competent and make your life harder, not easier. if no one knows who you are and your unbiased track record (not your self-serving resume), good luck.

[@jacob9583]

Buddy. Not a single person underestimates connections. Do you think you found a loohole? This is so well known its not even funny

[@johnarcher6150]

Connections are the only way to get anything. Skill or competence has always been secondary. Nepotism rules the country.

[@trollhunter3944]

​@@johnarcher6150 It's unfortunate

[@cazimim3375]

not everyone has connections tho

[@xSaraxMxNeffx]

entering the workforce for the first time at age 35, with only a highschool diploma from a school that no longer exists and 11 years of volunteer work that has NOTHING to do with any job i would even be remotely mentally prepared to do professionally. Let me tell you, its been really fun and totally not terrifying at all.

[@nextbigteenstar]

I remember applying for a job about a year ago. I really was qualified and I had plenty of customer service experience and working with kids. However, they specifically stated they wanted a previous teacher. My first thought was they werent going to get a teacher to quit a full time job for 16$ an hour. I had been let go at my previous job bc of the pandemic. I applied, went to two interviews, and was told I was one of two finalist. Honestly I was questioning if it was all worth it as the pay was no where near high enough for the amount of work that would be expected. But I was in desperate need. I didn't get hired, but another job I applied for soon hired me about a week later. Then I got a call. The other candidate they had chosen was brought in and immediately demanded a higher pay. They told her they were firm on pay and she left. So that's when they called me back. I didn't take the job.

[@Aaron14LifeZZZ]

16 a hr in 2022 sucks

[@esoopthederp7672]

Lmao, or you could go to a store and work night shifts for 16-20 an hour in Ca

[@FallacyBites]

Good for you!

[@ashfordj81]

@@esoopthederp7672 Then you have to pay CA rents.

[@Adam-ui3yn]

My favorite part is how out of touch the older generation is when it comes to the ways technology has shifted the problems we face. Well meaning advice is just no longer relevant. I decided to humor them and go apply to a job in person, I was given a dirty look at told "we don't accept in person resumes, you need to apply online" and so I applied to literally hundreds of jobs before I found the one I'm currently at by luck meeting someone at a social gathering.

[@solracer66]

Exactly, for example these days references unless they are from someone at the company you are targeting are worthless no matter how stellar they are.

[@xxkildarxx]

@@solracer66 That is not entirely true. It is just most of the time they do not reach out to those references until they are in the process of looking at making someone a job offer. Which as this video states can mean getting through multiple rounds of filtering along with thousands of other applicants.

[@solracer66]

@@xxkildarxx It used to be that references were used far earlier in the filtering process unlike now where as you say they are used only after a candidate has been selected. Now having stellar references has no value when it comes to getting that all-important job offer.

[@xxkildarxx]

@@solracer66 Dunno sounds like you are talking about nepotism not references even over a decade ago a company would not check references until they were considering making an offer, The main difference being the volume of people applying for the position now versus in the past and how that has forced the screening process to change. Which is more or less what this video goes over.

[@davidbe3560]

So, talking to someone in person worked after all? logic

[@Avsfan23]

It's a catch 22. You are told to get your degree and that will help you get your foot in the door. Nowadays, they just want people with experience and refuse to train or pay an adequate salary. If you live in, or near a city (usually where the jobs are), $40,000 per year isn't gonna pay your bills, even if you live extremely frugally. People want higher wages from their potential jobs so they can pay their bills. That is not too much to ask, not by a long shot.

[@markguyton2868]

Well... this explains why I'm starting to give up hard on job searching... Even though I spent years getting a Bachelors in Object Oriented Programming, it seems like the field doesn't want anyone new. I see why there are so many self-made companies popping up now.

[@Nidvex]

I keep looking at job requirements and not once have I found one that didn't read like the employers think life is a video game and are trying to hire those who are in New Game+ mode, having somehow retained all the skills of their previous lives and Ancestors.

[@Sephiroth144]

"Ah, so you beat Lavos; but we need a candidate who did it in three different time periods..."

[@lovelydiva06]

Exactly

[@Yuri_of_literature_club]

​how tf is that possible? You want me to use magus at the new game, dude i just bumped a woman at carnival 😂

[@Sephiroth144]

@@Yuri_of_literature_club I see... we'll need someone to check the Guardia criminal records for this candidate.

[@graysonrogers-barnes6302]

(The Chrono Trigger references here have made my day)

[@efficiencygaming3494]

I tried to apply for a librarian job back in 2019 and they wanted three years of experience. Yeah, I'm sure there's someone out there who spent three years of their life stacking and sorting books... They rejected me, obviously. That's the story I always tell regarding "entry-level" jobs that aren't really entry-level.

[@sailorstarfairy1]

There's a difference between being an actual librarian: someone who has a master's degree in Library Sciences, a clerk who works at the library (the ones who make library cards and check books in or out), or a library page the one who only shelves books. That's three distinct jobs requiring different knowledge levels. Most library pages are part timers who are going to college at the same time. Most clerks for a city/county library are standard people who were hired as low level government workers for that city or county, they don't require as much if any college education. And the masters level librarian actually does put in a lot of time and money to get that degree to be a real librarian.

[@Frenzyshark]

I used to work for a library over a year. But it was just to give me more experience for a resume and get part time permanent status. No way I'd do 3 years of that. What was official requirements for this librarian job and at what level?

[@efficiencygaming3494]

I know the listing was for a part-time library job (I believe "library page" was the exact name of the position). I was fresh out of high school and trying to get into college at the time, so I wouldn't have been looking for a full-time position requiring a degree. I don't know if I just suck at life or what, but I have the worst luck imaginable when it comes to trying to land a job. Every job application feels like an audition I have no chance of passing. It's the sort of thing that turns otherwise useful people into slackers.

[@Frenzyshark]

@@efficiencygaming3494 I wholehearted agree with your frustration on this kind of job posting. 3 years of work experience for a job that pays less than $17 I'm assuming, right? What kind of quality control can they justify having for an entry level job? It's sad that this video is probably correct in this is all done to screen people. If people ultimately ignore job postings like this and that employer is without new staff for a year or two, management deserves to be reamed out for it.

[@elmateo77]

Just lie about your experience. I'm sure you'll be able to figure out how to stack books pretty quickly...

[@PeterCaptainObvious]

40 years ago or so my dad got hired for a programming job, he had a degree in maths but no programming experience. The job trained him to a level where he could effectively do the job at hand. This never gets done anymore. Companies got lazy, and expect employees to do all the work.

[@DomViktor]

My engineering company mostly hires fresh grads. This way we can mold the person to be an ideal fit for what we do. Hiring someone of say 10yrs experience will typically ask for higher salary, might have a bigger ego, and may not be willing to adjust to the company’s work style. We might have to eat a loss in production by training a new grad but in the end it can pay off.

[@milkdrinker7]

Are you hiring? And what is your policy regarding pandemic-adjacent unemployment for a while after graduation?

[@DomViktor]

@@milkdrinker7 Not currently hiring, but did hire some fresh grads right around the end of the pandemic. Most things for a job can be trained. College does not necessarily teach people real world job skills/knowledge. With that said, lengthy unemployment after graduation would not really matter in my opinion. Whatever you forget in the meantime probably won't matter too much. Heck, most professional engineers couldn't walk into a college exam at any given moment and pass.

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

What most tech companies do is to put highly specific requirements and not hire anyone. Then they go and say that no one was available, and they need to have a visa worker. Since a visa worker job is tied to the visa. They abuse visa workers more and pay them way less than market value. IMO, government need to put a moratorium of 10 years for any work visa. At least until the number of visa workers is less than 1% of the available jobs.

[@Nature-pb9dh]

Why not eliminate the incentives for cheap visa work by letting people work without needing to be tied to visas? This puts everyone on the same footing in front of employers because they can’t low ball visa holders with small offers as there is no one with visas. This will force companies to pay the best price to the best workers. They may still pay less if there is more supply of workers than there is demand. However as at now, there is ample supply of visa workers that can be exploited. Even though lots of people might not directly see the ‘unintended’ effects of current visa policy, this is great for companies as having cheap labor improves margin.

[@quillmaurer6563]

@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj Good point on how this is really screwing both the visa workers and the American workers. It's not visa workers screwing American workers, it's companies screwing both. I have a couple friends (one Chinese and one Canadian) who are certainly in this boat, treated like utter shit by every company they work for because the company holds more cards with them. I agree with Nature-pb9dh, the solution would be for visa workers and citizens to compete on equal footing. Have requirements for visa, but active employment maybe shouldn't be one of them.

[@InfinityKrompt]

My favorite is when you get a rejection letter from a job, months or even years later. I got a rejection later earlier this year for a job I applied for FIVE YEARS AGO in another state stating that they had decided to go forward with another candidate. It was literally the only communication I ever got from that company too after I submitted my application. I genuinely didn't even remember applying for them it had been so long.

[@gymnastkristen5824]

STOPPP THIS HAPPENED TO ME WITH NORDSTROM😭✋️ LIKE I APPLIED IN 2019 WHEN I FIRST EVER STARTED JOB HUNTING AT 16 AND I GRADUATED 2023 WITH 2 DEGREES AND 3 JOBS LATER AND THEY JUST NOW EMAILED ME BACK ASKING FOR AN INTERVIEW 5 OR 6 YEARS LATER. LIKE DUDE I DONT EVEN LIVE IN THAT STATE ANYMORE WTF😭

[@jameygroves8561]

I'll give you one better. I was cold contacted via email by a recruiter for a position. I had neither replied to her yet nor applied for the job and got a rejection email from the company saying they were pursuing other candidates. For a job I never applied for. That is seriously messed up

[@vetgirl71]

@@gymnastkristen5824😅😂

[@rcslyman8929]

Back in early '00s, my mom got visited by an Army recruiter looking for me. I'd been in the Air Force for about 4 years at that point.

[@niomiepxtch6886]

@@jameygroves8561this happened to me too! I asked if I could know what position they were reaching out to me about and they ghosted me :/

[@heritier_9522]

I’m currently coming out of school and I’ve been applying to industrial Electrical maintenance technician and they are all like this. Even with the extreme shortage on electricians they somehow don’t expect or prepare for ones to be coming out of school. It’s been a nerve wracking process but I’ve landed some interviews. Hopefully I get a good job at a good company. Good luck to everyone that is job searching.

[@morighani]

i don’t understand why apprenticeships have ever gone out of style. they really expect you to know how to do a job just because you paid thousands for a degree, in which the “teaching” was just some poorly made slideshows taken straight out of a book or free online information.

[@pritapp788]

Degree inflation has to be another factor. Back when graduates were rare, a university/college degree provided a method of differentiating between candidates. Now that higher education has expanded to line up its pockets and everybody has degrees, the point of differentiation has shifted towards "Experience".

[@LawrenceTimme]

Exactly all these kids have a degree and think they're special. Yet none of them have done a real days work in their life then they expect to walk into somewhere on $50k a year. 😂😂😂😂

[@imanigordon6803]

@@LawrenceTimmeYea a degree should get you somewhere. Hence what would be the point of a degree if you make the same or a little more than a McDonald employee

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@imanigordon6803 no it shouldn't. It gives you the potential to go higher, not starting higher and yes you are correct. There is not point getting a degree to work Macdonald's yet loads of people end up doing it. What a waste

[@miguelrisso2769]

Experience is valid , but what about network? So It's not about what I know, but who I know ( THIS IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS )

[@MrToradragon]

@@LawrenceTimme And what is accumulated inflation between "your days" and "these days"? Maybe the outrageous 50k, which is below average salary in the USA, is in fact not so much compared to your days. For example today's 50k is roughly the same amount as 35k in 2010 or 27k in 2000.

[@AceTheCap823]

For tech positions (particularly in big tech and mid sized companies), I used the philosophy that if the job description of a position asks for 3 years or less (even better if it asks for 1 year) apply even if you are a new grad as there’s still a good chance that you’ll get to the interview stage especially if you do well in the OAs and once you get to the interview stage that’s where your skills and likability will determine if you get the job, a position that asks for 3-5 years your chances of getting to the interview stage is hit or miss, a position that asks for 5 years or more in the description don’t even waste your time as your resume will get denied immediately by the resume screening software. That philosophy has worked well for me and many of my friends and colleagues. Just my 2 cents Edit: What I’m about to say is strictly based on what I’ve learned from being in tech. I feel like for entry level jobs (the ones that say “1 year of experience in….” or “3 years of experience in…”, etc), the description only lists a number of years required in order to discourage bullshit applicants

[@DajuSar]

I like thinking that the whole university will be comparable to at least 1 year of experience and you should always remove 2 years from the job application to see if you are capable of doing the work. We have the same conclusion if you are a fresh graduate and you want to search for a job the 3 or less years required should be your aim. I know it seems like you are cheating or you are being fishy but the years of experience, as explained in the video, its just a commodity, something the company can rely on, if they see that someone just graduated from the university and still applied for the job they might be interested and, at least in tech, the hacker rank and aptitudes tests are everything to get hired

[@AilamRiza]

ok what's your salary and what country do yo live in and what's you position

[@scootergirl3662]

Same here. Once it’s 5 and above I say ok that’s a senior role

[@AceTheCap823]

@@DajuSar facts if you do well on those hackerrank OAs you will benefit immensely. I was hammering out leetcode practice problems while I was in school. But honestly quality over quantity when it comes to leetcode but ideally you’d want both

[@AceTheCap823]

@@AilamRiza $196k total comp (soon to be more), USA, Software Engineer I (soon to be II). Edit: By Software Engineer I, I mean entry level. Tho I’m about to move to the next level at another company

[@Guitar4life99]

Looking for a job these days is as horrible as online dating, just different. Both are equally as awful for different reasons.

[@blacklyfe5543]

Online dating is way better

[@adriangomez2861]

​@@blacklyfe5543 I think you have a better chance on there 😂

[@kenshinhimura9387]

I love how all these companies want you to have seven college degrees 15 years of experience all for an entry-level job but when they come to the offer they want to pay you the same as McDonald's would pay a kid fresh out of high school

[@666MaRius9991]

Tough luck kid you should time travel before applying 💀

[@angryowlet153]

This really hits IT, where you have to pass through a bot and a recruiter before you reach someone who knows how to read your resume. Analogous skills/technologies (RedHat vs Fedora) or implied experience (building a router with PFSense = basic networking skills) aren't understood by AI or most recruiters. This coupled with employers not wanting to take on juniors compounds the problem, and the longer it takes you to find a job, the less likely it is that you'll get an interview. The end result is that people leave the industry or, like myself, the workforce entirely to try to make a single-person business to survive. You can only apply to so many thousands of jobs, go to so many job fairs, pester so many recruiters, or make so many receptionists uncomfortable when you show up with a resume before you just say fuck it.

[@johnyewtube2286]

I know how you feel. I have sent 700 applications for dev roles with the only result being three phone screenings. I am going to get a second bachelor's, in a CS related field this time, and if that does not work i will give up.

[@angryowlet153]

@@johnyewtube2286 I don't have a CS degree, either, but what I'm doing is: 1) using and advancing the skills I've got in Linux, networking, and soldering to build/fix stuff to resell, and 2) bug hunting.

[@chomcat1910]

@@johnyewtube2286 I don't mean to discourage you, but getting a CS degree will not improve your chances much if at all. Employers don't care much about your education compared to work experience. I got a bachelor's in CS but no work exp. and I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. Hundreds of apps sent, a bit more than a dozen responses with maybe half of which being OAs and the rest actual interviews (mostly phones tho). I just got into a CS master's program so I can try again to land an internship (failed to get one in undergrad due to bad luck + starting too late). So if you do go for a CS bachelor's, definitely try for an internship while in the program asap.

[@shinqqing5161]

​​​@@johnyewtube2286I found that having a bootcamp certificate on top having a degree is the best way to get your foot in Edit: university taught you how and why stuff works but in bootcamps they taught you how to use the tools required for the job and that's why recruiters love them

[@crazygamer-mr6nr]

⁠@@johnyewtube2286 Someone with your experience in cs, might be able to do alright doing freelance work. Try that, if you haven’t already. But disclaimer, you have to watch out for scam jobs.

[@thedude7319]

Regarding the "more experience is better" part. When I did my internship at basf, one of the engineers had a comparison "you have two captains, one with ten years and another one with one year. but that captain with one year has sailed all the coast across the world and the other is an internal water captain"

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

It doesn't matter when companies are using algorithms and little number snippets to "sort" things. 10 years of experience is AUTOMATICALLY better than 1. End of story. No questions asked, because if the computer codes and digital sorting processes say so, than that's it. No exceptions. Computer code is all that matters. If an applicant isn't able to manipulate the algorithms, then they'll be unemployed for decades. It is what it is.

[@E4439Qv5]

​@@Novastar.SaberCombat this inspires me to do violence against a server farm.

[@thedude7319]

@@Novastar.SaberCombat Most of those algoritmes are build crappy. but let's say that you want to work for a company with good sorting code. just lie, if you have enough different experience in projects talk about it. HR personal aren't the brightest bulbs

[@calencrawford2195]

@@Novastar.SaberCombat bro i can make a sorting algorithm in 5 minutes stop capping. c++ just use quicksort XD or python by why use python when c++ runs the fastest

[@arnvonsalzburg5033]

Being in HR it really annoys me when the hiring managers ask me to get one who does the same job they want to fill since 5-10 years and willing to do it again in their team 10+ years again...

[@lyinarbaeldeth2456]

I graduated in the early 2010s and spent six years bouncing between temporary and contract positions, constantly applying and getting no results. When I finally landed a permanent offer with the public service I jumped on it even though it was a 10% pay cut to my current contract. Now I'm making more than double the pay I used to, with excellent benefits, rising to new positions with my skills and experience, and haven't had to job hunt once. In completed related news, the public service is fully unionized.

[@virtuouzgirl8328]

This has always been so stupid to me, the one thing companies nor AI can predict is potential - they are missing out on brilliant candidates who once given the chance will exceed expectations. At some point you have to invest in upcoming talent, I’ve seen companies start to struggle with an ageing workforce, that happens when you don’t invest or train in new people.

[@Teetee12Undertaker]

After 3 months and nearly 10 personality/better business exams, 35 cover letters, and 70 applications later, I still wasn't hired for an "entry level" position in the field had a fresh certification for. You know what a 62 year old woman told me? "Why dont you just lie? By the time they figure out you dont have the experience, you'll have some experience and a tired HR team that is less willing to go through the process of getting rid of you."

[@tfarrow4622]

She is half-right: HR will definitely get rid of you!

[@thekingofprotoss4376]

and then those dipshits will have the help wanted sign back up and management will prob call him back asking for help in 3 weeks@@tfarrow4622

[@jamesjowett35]

Terrible advise

[@Mexican00b]

​@@jamesjowett35 but bythen, experience is acquired lol

[@k8eee]

Searching for a job with less than one year experience is so tiring, not bc you dont get responses, but bc it's so frustrating to search up "entry-level" jobs and then spend hours sifting through jobs to only find a handful that aren't actually those dreaded "3-5 years experience" listings

[@socalrefrigeration548]

You should stop online searching. Contact recruiters and hiring managers directly. Go to trade shows or conventions to network. Maybe just take the lowball offer to get in the door. But you're going to have to make personal contact with someone.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@socalrefrigeration548 Do you realize how much extra effort and expense you're asking him to expend/spend? Probably more than the job itself, or several of them, will demand. Finding a job should not be harder than doing one. Also where the hell are the companies in all this? Don't they have to expend effort and money too? They even grumble about training now.

[@socalrefrigeration548]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn This is a competition. You want my money? You better convince me you’re worth it. It’s not like you don’t scrutinize whenever having to pay for a service. Too many people think they deserve $100k a year to serve coffee. Like service coffee is insanely hard work.

[@fringeminority7746]

​@@socalrefrigeration548If that's your attitude, I dont want your money. What I do want is to watch you crash and burn :) 100k is alot for coffee service, I agree. So is 3+ bucks a cup. How much is too much to push papers, make phone calls, and have some little meetings? 1 million, 2 million, 28 million? Come on man, have some sensibilities. The common citizen is being raped daily by these corporations. I just watched the Stuperstore in town raise the price of in house pizzas by 71% all at once... thank god capitalism is letting most of them rot on the shelves.

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

​@@ArawnOfAnnwnso you want a job, but aren't willing to put in effort to get said job? Wow, it's a wonder why nobody is hiring you

[@randymouser3816]

If its an entry level job and I have an interest in it. I will apply regardless of the basic requirements. Mostly because those requirements get rather ridiculous.

[@officialname9817]

I saw a cashier position that required a bachelor's degree and three years of experience

[@FishBoneCh]

I’m convinced most job listings are fake, and are being used to save face for the posting company by making it appear as if business is growing. I’ve applied to over 200 engineering firms and over 50 interviews around the Midwest and the east coast. It took 5 years for me to land an entry level job despite having a degree and multiple years of internships.

[@gymnastkristen5824]

they actually are. Most are also for green card people who will do anything for work. We call the jobs "Ghost jobs" there are many videos about it. Its crazy.

[@davidstrelec2000]

60% of online job posts are fake. 50% of hiring managers admitted to creating phantom job positions and 27% admitted to leaving the job post online months beyond expire.

[@ava9xx3js9j]

What did u do in the meantime

[@Sloff1155]

The problem is it creates job discrimination, if you answer one question not correctly or if you've never had a job before and this is your first job you get alienated for being new.

[@blackroserevolution3989]

That’s not discrimination, choosing a candidate with more experience over one with less or one with any experience at all over one who’s never had a job before is fine. Asking for an unreasonable amount of experience that no applicant is going to have because anyone who did isn’t going to work for such low pay is the problem, and they’re going to realize they have no applicants with 5 years experience for an entry level job, and choose the one that has 1-2 year experience in any job at all over the one who’s never had a job and that’s what they should have done

[@DragonQuest27]

That's not discrimination 🤦‍♂

[@cheesypastel]

@@DragonQuest27depending on the person then it kind of is. Some ppl are autistic aka me. And I don’t think like the average person, all those stupid what would you do quizzes or what’s the best thing to do in x situation is bs. Bc all the answers either seem acceptable or none of the answers seem acceptable TO ME. so you are kicking me out of the process bc I didn’t answer your stupid pathetic questions the way that you wanted me to. Sorry but that’s bs. I’m not stupid, but theory of mind exists and what I think is good you might think is bad. Just because I think something is good and it’s not then wow I’m not dumb, just tell me “actually that wouldn’t be good to do” the amount of times job applications didn’t go through bc I failed the stupid quizzes that have absolutely nothing to do with my work ethic. I just don’t have great social skills and I never will. I can stock some canned food and pot arts, it’s not that hard, I can count to 100 wowww, hell I’ve been a KEY HOLDER before opening and closing a store and taking deposits to the bank, I think I’m capable of working at a fast food place or at Walmart. It is bs and there is no chance for someone like me. It is very much discrimination for not thinking the same way as other ppl. I’m sorry that me thinking outside the box threatens other ppl so damn much.

[@eewweeppkk]

​@@cheesypastelHaving an identical quiz given to every applicant is textbook fairness and the opposite of discrimination. Sorry you have a condition that makes it hard for you to find a job, but that's not what discrimination is.

[@j.legarreta7573]

I'm so tired of looking for a job. I lost count on how many I sent. Yep, no response is most common. I'm really hating companies right now.

[@Radhashyama-rx9bw]

Me too I'm exhausted too

[@jefferylusk2550]

Great info thank you

[@Loveandlight428]

I am design grad, and we have this thing called "unpaid internship". Basically they say to freshers that "you aren't trained enough for the job, so we won't pay you." But even as I went there without the pay, I found my boss neglecting me. He didn't care to train me, that's how these people are. They just don't bother to mentor you and then want people with at least 1-2years of work ex!!

[@indigo0977]

Unpaid internships are so unethical. If someone is doing work for you then you should pay them for that work.

[@jkeelsnc]

Most managers don’t train for 2 reasons. 1. It takes time and money 2. They don’t want any chance that someone else will replace them.

[@Loveandlight428]

@@jkeelsnc exactly! There is some fear-based mindset here. They feel that if a talented intern is supported by their guidance and knowledge, it might backfire on them one day. But the biggest irony is when they say," we want 1-2 years of work experience" and they have these long processes of interviews and assessments.

[@BD638]

I’m a design grad as well, I did a 6 month unpaid internship after graduation. I got a job afterwards from another company thanks to the work I did in my internship. Getting your foot in the door, I know it’s difficult but hang in there!

[@DrawinskyMoon]

It’s called free labor

[@DarkPuppy9]

Nobody is to blame for the dumb decision made by corporations. What a bad take.